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I'm trying to get a good list together of everything a community would need for very long term survival if SHTF in a very bad way. I want to make up a few binders, which would contain good information on everything needed to survive for a long time, including things that would make live more comfortable. Most of the things I'm looking for would be more primitive in nature, because if things went south in a bad way, doing things the way we do them now just wouldn't work. This post is for if things will never return to the way they were in your lifetime, or even your grandchildren's lifetime.

My list so far include:
Water - rivers, streams, springs. I also live near the beach, so desalination to make seawater drinkable
Food - hunting, fishing, farming, gathering. I have books on edible plants in my area, just ordered a book on butchering livestock and game.
Shelter - Houses will stand for a while, but will eventually need repair, or new ones built. Need to get good info on carpentry, etc. Also won't have running water, so bathing would need to be done differently, and outhouses would probably become the norm.
fire - We'll have lighters, matches, etc. for a while, but they'll eventually be gone, so I'm getting info on primitive methods to create a fire.
animals - Having domesticated animals would be useful in many ways. Food, transportation, pets, etc. People would need to know how to go about domesticating a wild animal, and raising them. Which i my area, isn't all too likely to be common knowledge.
Clothing - Well, this will last a while too, even more so with people repairing what they have, if SHTF lasts for a long time though, people will have to make their own clothing. I just ordered a book on making buckskins, need to look up more ways of making clothing though.
soap/sanitary items - This will be gone quickly. Sure, people can get by without them, but live is much more comfortable for most people if they have them. I need to look up way of creating these items from locally available resources.
medicine - This is something else that will be gone in under a year. I have a book on medicinal plants, but being able to make primitive medicines will be very useful.
weapons - guns won't last forever, and if they do, bullets wont. Need to find a way to make gunpowder from locally available resources. Once that wears itself out, spears can be made pretty easily, I would assume, and bows+arrows won't be great at first, but once people learn form their mistakes, they'll get better.
alcohol - May seem pointless at first, but people will want to drink. Being able to brew up alcoholic drinks will be a good thing because it will be something people will want, if they can't get it, they'll live, but it's a comfort item that people would enjoy. I'm currently brewing my first batch of mead, to make it sustainable, though, I would need to learn how to grow yeast, and have easy access to honey. I could use any kind of fruit to make an alcoholic drink if I really wanted to though.
knowledge - May not seem to important right away, but once things have become stable, to start the process of making live easier again, it will be important. I don't have a huge collection of textbooks or anything, nor do I plan on buying them, but if TSHTF in a bad way, it would make sense to go around to libraries, book stores, etc. and gather them up and store them in a safe place until things calmed down.

My list is nowhere near complete, which was why I made this post. There's no way I would be able to think up everything that would be needed, so anything you could add to my list would be appreciated.
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It must be a good list.
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It must be a good list.
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Apparently so. Can never have too much information though, was hoping to get a few responses of things I could add.
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Sprouting seeds, beans ect is very beneficial.

Lentil beans provide just about everything a person needs to have a healthy diet.

Garlic Sprouts are potent anti-biotic substitutes.

There are hundreds of sprout types and it can be done with very little cost.

What you need
Glass Jar with Lid
Screen Mesh
Bean or Seed
Sunlight
Water

Add 1/10th jar volume with lentil beans. Add 4 times the equivalent of water. Let soak 8-16 hours. They will expand so make sure all beans are submerged.

After soak time, remove and save water (full of nutrition). Keep the jars upside down w/ good airflow. The jar needs to drip dry.

Leave upside down in sunlight w/ airflow for 2-4 days. Each morning submerge all bean/sprout with water and gently wash/shake the sprouts clean. It is a refresh so the water does not stay in the long at all. Save the water and consume it. Again letting jar drip dry.

After 2-4 days the jar will be full of sprout.

Lentil Sprouts provide so much...
1) They are light weight, 50 lbs feeds 1 for a year.
2) They provide everything needed to eat healthy
3) They sprout fast, 2-4 days.
4) No soil needed
5) No dangerous foraging needed
6) Taste good, really fresh
7) Sprouts are alive when consumed
8) Has more nutrition then modern grocery crops
9) Some have powerful medicinal uses.


Wheat Grass is great for sprout juice and Sunflower sprouts are sweet.

A full meal could be growing over your back while you march onward. Tie the jars to your pack and let them sprout as you walk. Portable food farm in a jar. And no soil means safe consumption.

But be careful, some sprouts are toxic even thought the mature plant is not. But that is very rare, just be cautious.
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alcohol - May seem pointless at first, but people will want to drink. Being able to brew up alcoholic drinks will be a good thing because it will be something people will want, if they can't get it, they'll live, but it's a comfort item that people would enjoy. I'm currently brewing my first batch of mead, to make it sustainable, though, I would need to learn how to grow yeast, and have easy access to honey. I could use any kind of fruit to make an alcoholic drink if I really wanted to though.

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I like your thinking....but I disagree with your core assumption....

...that we would be heading back into the STONE AGE.
All the things you mentioned will NOT disappear.


Be realistic....fire starting tools gone forever?
Come on....even a busted lighter has a flint to use.
...and batteries will always be around...even if you have to make them from coke cans or gourds to start a fire.

There are many other things.....but overall....you are going WAY too far into the STONE AGE.


careod

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sorry...dupe post....deleted

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[link to www.doomguide.com]

I share again this good site of survival, provided by doomguy.

download the book, and print out
hf

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It must be a good list.


Apparently so. Can never have too much information though, was hoping to get a few responses of things I could add.
 Quoting: korp


How about a short term food supply for the first few weeks or months while you get your shit together to start hunting and producing.
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It must be a good list.


Apparently so. Can never have too much information though, was hoping to get a few responses of things I could add.


How about a short term food supply for the first few weeks or months while you get your shit together to start hunting and producing.
 Quoting: Melodye

refer above to the bean sprout post.
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I like your thinking....but I disagree with your core assumption....

...that we would be heading back into the STONE AGE.
All the things you mentioned will NOT disappear.


Be realistic....fire starting tools gone forever?
Come on....even a busted lighter has a flint to use.
...and batteries will always be around...even if you have to make them from coke cans or gourds to start a fire.

There are many other things.....but overall....you are going WAY too far into the STONE AGE.


careod
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The flint from the lighters wont be around forever though. This isn't necessarily about going back into the stone age though, it's about being able to produce the things we need so survive, and live comfortable. Without big companies to make and ship the items to you, they'll have to be produced locally, and without a large supply of energy, things will have to be made by primitive means.
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one word

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It must be a good list.


Apparently so. Can never have too much information though, was hoping to get a few responses of things I could add.


How about a short term food supply for the first few weeks or months while you get your shit together to start hunting and producing.
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Yeah, I already have that covered, for my family at least. Having a short term food supply for an entire community would take a lot of money for one person to build it up.
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alcohol - May seem pointless at first, but people will want to drink. Being able to brew up alcoholic drinks will be a good thing because it will be something people will want, if they can't get it, they'll live, but it's a comfort item that people would enjoy. I'm currently brewing my first batch of mead, to make it sustainable, though, I would need to learn how to grow yeast, and have easy access to honey. I could use any kind of fruit to make an alcoholic drink if I really wanted to though.

Retarded, it will make you blind and you will be robbed. Kind of like it's always done. Don't be stupid.
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That goes with making hard liquor. Making beer and wine wouldn't give you that problem, as the alcohol is produced the same way in you home as by the major beer/wine makers, by using yeast.
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It must be a good list.


Apparently so. Can never have too much information though, was hoping to get a few responses of things I could add.


How about a short term food supply for the first few weeks or months while you get your shit together to start hunting and producing.
 Quoting: Melodye


I love how everyone thinks they are going to be able to hunt for food. :laughsm:

You need to read up on what happened to the animal populations in Russia during WWII.
They were ANNIHILATED by over hunting very quickly.
E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E went hunting and had the same idea....and the animal populations DISAPPEARED.
Russia is finally recovering from this in the last 5-10 years or so.

If you think YOU ....and everyone else in the USA is going to "live off the land" by hunting...you are kidding yourself.

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I love how everyone thinks they are going to be able to hunt for food. :laughsm:

You need to read up on what happened to the animal populations in Russia during WWII.
They were ANNIHILATED by over hunting very quickly.
E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E went hunting and had the same idea....and the animal populations DISAPPEARED.
Russia is finally recovering from this in the last 5-10 years or so.

If you think YOU ....and everyone else in the USA is going to "live off the land" by hunting...you are kidding yourself.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer

I used to believe that too until I was educated concerning that potential situation. And if that is the case, hunt people instead.

Our cities and towns only take up a very small fraction of land in this country. There is more wild for each person alive right now.

Plus, most people will fail the hunt.

The real problem is everyone moving into the same region from a city.

If you can march further into the wild side then 90% of the rest then you have a good area to hunt in.

Get as far away from the cities as possible.
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P.S. Don't buy cloned seeds
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AGREED 1,000%
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I love how everyone thinks they are going to be able to hunt for food. :laughsm:

You need to read up on what happened to the animal populations in Russia during WWII.
They were ANNIHILATED by over hunting very quickly.
E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E went hunting and had the same idea....and the animal populations DISAPPEARED.
Russia is finally recovering from this in the last 5-10 years or so.

If you think YOU ....and everyone else in the USA is going to "live off the land" by hunting...you are kidding yourself.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


I know hunting won't work by itself, everything will be all but extinct in a few months tops. Which is why in the OP for food I also had farming, and raising animals. Sure, you'll probably lose a lot of it to thieves, but it will make it much easier to survive. On top of that, I live near the ocean, actually on an island, so there is a constant supply of seafood, and with all the commercial fishers not being able to get fuel for their boats, fish will make a return, eventually.
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If you think YOU ....and everyone else in the USA is going to "live off the land" by hunting...you are kidding yourself.
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Good thing I'm not in the US... and I live in a Rural area.

But to be honest, hunting never crossed my mind until I read this thread. I was more focused on farming. Now I see hope for the short term.
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P.S. Don't buy cloned seeds
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Nope, all my seeds are heirloom. I have a nice selection, I even have some tobacco seeds.
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Here is a basic soap recipe.

Filter animal fat obtained from cooking meat.

Gather white ash from campfires.

Add the ash to a pot of water to make Lye Water.

Bring to a boil and add the animal fat.

Allow the mixture to boil over for a while. After some time let it cool and a layer of hard Lye Water Fat will form on the surface. This is soap.

Adjust Lye Water Strength to suit. Too much Lye will burn your hands, too little will make ineffective soap.



If you are eating meat and have a fire, you can have soap.
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alcohol - May seem pointless at first, but people will want to drink. Being able to brew up alcoholic drinks will be a good thing because it will be something people will want, if they can't get it, they'll live, but it's a comfort item that people would enjoy. I'm currently brewing my first batch of mead, to make it sustainable, though, I would need to learn how to grow yeast, and have easy access to honey. I could use any kind of fruit to make an alcoholic drink if I really wanted to though.

Retarded, it will make you blind and you will be robbed. Kind of like it's always done. Don't be stupid.
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In my opinion alcohol will be very useful. The world is not gonna be all of a sudden filled with responsible people thinking of their future... Alcohol would be primarily used for trade not self-consumption.

Alcohol would probably trade very high in those times along with cigarettes and other drugs people currently use to comfort themselves. When TSHTF the people that couldnt cope with life's problems are going to be even more desperate. Not only will these things trade very highly but you can get people to do things for you.

Hire an entire army of drunks with promises of alcohol after they slay the opposing faction. They'll go into an alcoholic frenzy... Thats +10 to strength and 30% faster attack speed. And when only 50% of your troops return alive, you got all that "labor" for free.
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alcohol - May seem pointless at first, but people will want to drink. Being able to brew up alcoholic drinks will be a good thing because it will be something people will want, if they can't get it, they'll live, but it's a comfort item that people would enjoy. I'm currently brewing my first batch of mead, to make it sustainable, though, I would need to learn how to grow yeast, and have easy access to honey. I could use any kind of fruit to make an alcoholic drink if I really wanted to though.

Retarded, it will make you blind and you will be robbed. Kind of like it's always done. Don't be stupid.

In my opinion alcohol will be very useful. The world is not gonna be all of a sudden filled with responsible people thinking of their future... Alcohol would be primarily used for trade not self-consumption.

Alcohol would probably trade very high in those times along with cigarettes and other drugs people currently use to comfort themselves. When TSHTF the people that couldnt cope with life's problems are going to be even more desperate. Not only will these things trade very highly but you can get people to do things for you.

Hire an entire army of drunks with promises of alcohol after they slay the opposing faction. They'll go into an alcoholic frenzy... Thats +10 to strength and 30% faster attack speed. And when only 50% of your troops return alive, you got all that "labor" for free.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1092997


That made me lol. Your post summed up my thoughts on it though. When TSHTF, I won't be drinking, but having a good supply of alcohol could make you a very wealthy person. I'm sure there are other home-brewers besides me in my area, but I doubt a single one of them knows how to grow their own yeast, and without they, they can't make beer. I'm sure they can still make moonshine, but that's something I'd never drink.
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To make Moonshine, add yeast and sugar to water and let sit.

After a week or two the nasty mixture needs to be heated up and the rising vapors are captured in a metal pipe that is long enough to cool the vapors to liquid at the other end of the pipe. Pure alcohol, Moonshine, will drip from the pipe.

Pure alcohol is a major asset. Sterilization, preservation of food, fuel for engines, combustable/explosive, enjoyable and tradeable.
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Hire an entire army of drunks with promises of alcohol after they slay the opposing faction. They'll go into an alcoholic frenzy... Thats +10 to strength and 30% faster attack speed. And when only 50% of your troops return alive, you got all that "labor" for free.
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That's diabolical.
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Since this is a long term survival thread you must also prepare if you should hide or fight Raiders.

There will be Raiders, especially people that don't have the necessary skills to survive.

So do you hide your refuge or fight them off?
Will you take them head on or ambush them?

Should you have traps around your refuge? Walls? Camouflage? Underground?
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I like your thinking....but I disagree with your core assumption....

...that we would be heading back into the STONE AGE.
All the things you mentioned will NOT disappear.


Be realistic....fire starting tools gone forever?
Come on....even a busted lighter has a flint to use.
...and batteries will always be around...even if you have to make them from coke cans or gourds to start a fire.

There are many other things.....but overall....you are going WAY too far into the STONE AGE.


careod


The flint from the lighters wont be around forever though. This isn't necessarily about going back into the stone age though, it's about being able to produce the things we need so survive, and live comfortable. Without big companies to make and ship the items to you, they'll have to be produced locally, and without a large supply of energy, things will have to be made by primitive means.
 Quoting: korp


You are WAY too far into the nitty gritty my friend.
Bring your DOOM up a few notches.

There's flint in my back yard....and GAZILLIONS of dead and alive lighters out there...and matches...and electrical ways of starting fires....and fire starters....etc...etc...on and on.
Hell, I could start a fire from some solar panels if I had to.

Do you expect you couldn't find things to light a fire even 10 years into a SHTF scenario?
Not realistic.
By the time we run out of options....the world will have rebooted itself anyway and it will be a non-issue.


As for companies making and shipping stuff to me....
Like what?....you mean food?
That can be produced at home.
It's called FARMING.....AND....and hopefully you already have enough provisions stored for minimum of 6 months....and preferably 3 years.

We don't need no stinkin "big companies shipping".
I know I don't.

Be realistic about your surroundings too.
Where are you going to live and how?
...do you have land?
...do you have running water
(speaking of which....where are you going to get parts for your de-salinator with "no shipping"?)
Will it handle enough to water a whole 2 acre garden???


Again....come a bit "out of the weeds" and into a reality scenario.....and there are PLENTY of those DOOM scenarios.
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Since this is a long term survival thread you must also prepare if you should hide or fight Raiders.

There will be Raiders, especially people that don't have the necessary skills to survive.

So do you hide your refuge or fight them off?
Will you take them head on or ambush them?

Should you have traps around your refuge? Walls? Camouflage? Underground?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1093983


LOL You'd know.
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Since this is a long term survival thread you must also prepare if you should hide or fight Raiders.

There will be Raiders, especially people that don't have the necessary skills to survive.

So do you hide your refuge or fight them off?
Will you take them head on or ambush them?

Should you have traps around your refuge? Walls? Camouflage? Underground?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1093983

If you need to fight, one has already failed at hiding.

Stay ahead of the curve and avoid conflict at all cost. My theory is stay lightweight so I can be out of the area really fast. My Lentil Sprouts will keep us fed until all the crazy people kill each other off.





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