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korp (OP) User ID: 1073735 United States 09/09/2010 06:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pinned with 0 responses, that's awesome. When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. -Thomas Jefferson Join my village and earn some cash on the side. Watch the intro video and see if you're interested! [link to www.varolo.com] |
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korp (OP) User ID: 1073735 United States 09/09/2010 06:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pinned with 0 responses, that's awesome. Quoting: MelodyeIt must be a good list. Apparently so. Can never have too much information though, was hoping to get a few responses of things I could add. When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. -Thomas Jefferson Join my village and earn some cash on the side. Watch the intro video and see if you're interested! [link to www.varolo.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1005671 United States 09/09/2010 06:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sprouting seeds, beans ect is very beneficial. Lentil beans provide just about everything a person needs to have a healthy diet. Garlic Sprouts are potent anti-biotic substitutes. There are hundreds of sprout types and it can be done with very little cost. What you need Glass Jar with Lid Screen Mesh Bean or Seed Sunlight Water Add 1/10th jar volume with lentil beans. Add 4 times the equivalent of water. Let soak 8-16 hours. They will expand so make sure all beans are submerged. After soak time, remove and save water (full of nutrition). Keep the jars upside down w/ good airflow. The jar needs to drip dry. Leave upside down in sunlight w/ airflow for 2-4 days. Each morning submerge all bean/sprout with water and gently wash/shake the sprouts clean. It is a refresh so the water does not stay in the long at all. Save the water and consume it. Again letting jar drip dry. After 2-4 days the jar will be full of sprout. Lentil Sprouts provide so much... 1) They are light weight, 50 lbs feeds 1 for a year. 2) They provide everything needed to eat healthy 3) They sprout fast, 2-4 days. 4) No soil needed 5) No dangerous foraging needed 6) Taste good, really fresh 7) Sprouts are alive when consumed 8) Has more nutrition then modern grocery crops 9) Some have powerful medicinal uses. Wheat Grass is great for sprout juice and Sunflower sprouts are sweet. A full meal could be growing over your back while you march onward. Tie the jars to your pack and let them sprout as you walk. Portable food farm in a jar. And no soil means safe consumption. But be careful, some sprouts are toxic even thought the mature plant is not. But that is very rare, just be cautious. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1093962 United States 09/09/2010 06:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Retarded, it will make you blind and you will be robbed. Kind of like it's always done. Don't be stupid. |
Burt Gummer User ID: 989406 United States 09/09/2010 06:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I like your thinking....but I disagree with your core assumption.... ...that we would be heading back into the STONE AGE. All the things you mentioned will NOT disappear. Be realistic....fire starting tools gone forever? Come on....even a busted lighter has a flint to use. ...and batteries will always be around...even if you have to make them from coke cans or gourds to start a fire. There are many other things.....but overall....you are going WAY too far into the STONE AGE. Last Edited by Useless Cookie Eater on 09/09/2010 06:09 AM |
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Vet User ID: 1074072 Sweden 09/09/2010 06:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.doomguide.com] I share again this good site of survival, provided by doomguy. download the book, and print out Last Edited by Vet on 09/09/2010 06:13 AM I am loved by some, hated by many. Envied by most, yet wanted by plenty...:rose: :rullvann: |
Melodye User ID: 510451 Australia 09/09/2010 06:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pinned with 0 responses, that's awesome. Quoting: korpIt must be a good list. Apparently so. Can never have too much information though, was hoping to get a few responses of things I could add. How about a short term food supply for the first few weeks or months while you get your shit together to start hunting and producing. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1005671 United States 09/09/2010 06:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pinned with 0 responses, that's awesome. Quoting: MelodyeIt must be a good list. Apparently so. Can never have too much information though, was hoping to get a few responses of things I could add. How about a short term food supply for the first few weeks or months while you get your shit together to start hunting and producing. refer above to the bean sprout post. |
korp (OP) User ID: 1073735 United States 09/09/2010 06:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I like your thinking....but I disagree with your core assumption.... Quoting: Burt Gummer...that we would be heading back into the STONE AGE. All the things you mentioned will NOT disappear. Be realistic....fire starting tools gone forever? Come on....even a busted lighter has a flint to use. ...and batteries will always be around...even if you have to make them from coke cans or gourds to start a fire. There are many other things.....but overall....you are going WAY too far into the STONE AGE. The flint from the lighters wont be around forever though. This isn't necessarily about going back into the stone age though, it's about being able to produce the things we need so survive, and live comfortable. Without big companies to make and ship the items to you, they'll have to be produced locally, and without a large supply of energy, things will have to be made by primitive means. When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. -Thomas Jefferson Join my village and earn some cash on the side. Watch the intro video and see if you're interested! [link to www.varolo.com] |
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korp (OP) User ID: 1073735 United States 09/09/2010 06:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pinned with 0 responses, that's awesome. Quoting: MelodyeIt must be a good list. Apparently so. Can never have too much information though, was hoping to get a few responses of things I could add. How about a short term food supply for the first few weeks or months while you get your shit together to start hunting and producing. Yeah, I already have that covered, for my family at least. Having a short term food supply for an entire community would take a lot of money for one person to build it up. When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. -Thomas Jefferson Join my village and earn some cash on the side. Watch the intro video and see if you're interested! [link to www.varolo.com] |
korp (OP) User ID: 1073735 United States 09/09/2010 06:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | alcohol - May seem pointless at first, but people will want to drink. Being able to brew up alcoholic drinks will be a good thing because it will be something people will want, if they can't get it, they'll live, but it's a comfort item that people would enjoy. I'm currently brewing my first batch of mead, to make it sustainable, though, I would need to learn how to grow yeast, and have easy access to honey. I could use any kind of fruit to make an alcoholic drink if I really wanted to though. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1093962Retarded, it will make you blind and you will be robbed. Kind of like it's always done. Don't be stupid. That goes with making hard liquor. Making beer and wine wouldn't give you that problem, as the alcohol is produced the same way in you home as by the major beer/wine makers, by using yeast. When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. -Thomas Jefferson Join my village and earn some cash on the side. Watch the intro video and see if you're interested! [link to www.varolo.com] |
Burt Gummer User ID: 989406 United States 09/09/2010 06:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pinned with 0 responses, that's awesome. Quoting: MelodyeIt must be a good list. Apparently so. Can never have too much information though, was hoping to get a few responses of things I could add. How about a short term food supply for the first few weeks or months while you get your shit together to start hunting and producing. I love how everyone thinks they are going to be able to hunt for food. :laughsm: You need to read up on what happened to the animal populations in Russia during WWII. They were ANNIHILATED by over hunting very quickly. E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E went hunting and had the same idea....and the animal populations DISAPPEARED. Russia is finally recovering from this in the last 5-10 years or so. If you think YOU ....and everyone else in the USA is going to "live off the land" by hunting...you are kidding yourself. Last Edited by Useless Cookie Eater on 09/09/2010 06:18 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1005671 United States 09/09/2010 06:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I love how everyone thinks they are going to be able to hunt for food. :laughsm: Quoting: Burt GummerYou need to read up on what happened to the animal populations in Russia during WWII. They were ANNIHILATED by over hunting very quickly. E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E went hunting and had the same idea....and the animal populations DISAPPEARED. Russia is finally recovering from this in the last 5-10 years or so. If you think YOU ....and everyone else in the USA is going to "live off the land" by hunting...you are kidding yourself. I used to believe that too until I was educated concerning that potential situation. And if that is the case, hunt people instead. Our cities and towns only take up a very small fraction of land in this country. There is more wild for each person alive right now. Plus, most people will fail the hunt. The real problem is everyone moving into the same region from a city. If you can march further into the wild side then 90% of the rest then you have a good area to hunt in. Get as far away from the cities as possible. |
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korp (OP) User ID: 1073735 United States 09/09/2010 06:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I love how everyone thinks they are going to be able to hunt for food. :laughsm: Quoting: Burt GummerYou need to read up on what happened to the animal populations in Russia during WWII. They were ANNIHILATED by over hunting very quickly. E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E went hunting and had the same idea....and the animal populations DISAPPEARED. Russia is finally recovering from this in the last 5-10 years or so. If you think YOU ....and everyone else in the USA is going to "live off the land" by hunting...you are kidding yourself. I know hunting won't work by itself, everything will be all but extinct in a few months tops. Which is why in the OP for food I also had farming, and raising animals. Sure, you'll probably lose a lot of it to thieves, but it will make it much easier to survive. On top of that, I live near the ocean, actually on an island, so there is a constant supply of seafood, and with all the commercial fishers not being able to get fuel for their boats, fish will make a return, eventually. When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. -Thomas Jefferson Join my village and earn some cash on the side. Watch the intro video and see if you're interested! [link to www.varolo.com] |
Melodye User ID: 510451 Australia 09/09/2010 06:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you think YOU ....and everyone else in the USA is going to "live off the land" by hunting...you are kidding yourself. Quoting: Burt GummerGood thing I'm not in the US... and I live in a Rural area. But to be honest, hunting never crossed my mind until I read this thread. I was more focused on farming. Now I see hope for the short term. |
korp (OP) User ID: 1073735 United States 09/09/2010 06:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | P.S. Don't buy cloned seeds Quoting: TheRestlessNope, all my seeds are heirloom. I have a nice selection, I even have some tobacco seeds. When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. -Thomas Jefferson Join my village and earn some cash on the side. Watch the intro video and see if you're interested! [link to www.varolo.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1005671 United States 09/09/2010 06:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is a basic soap recipe. Filter animal fat obtained from cooking meat. Gather white ash from campfires. Add the ash to a pot of water to make Lye Water. Bring to a boil and add the animal fat. Allow the mixture to boil over for a while. After some time let it cool and a layer of hard Lye Water Fat will form on the surface. This is soap. Adjust Lye Water Strength to suit. Too much Lye will burn your hands, too little will make ineffective soap. If you are eating meat and have a fire, you can have soap. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1092997 United States 09/09/2010 06:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | alcohol - May seem pointless at first, but people will want to drink. Being able to brew up alcoholic drinks will be a good thing because it will be something people will want, if they can't get it, they'll live, but it's a comfort item that people would enjoy. I'm currently brewing my first batch of mead, to make it sustainable, though, I would need to learn how to grow yeast, and have easy access to honey. I could use any kind of fruit to make an alcoholic drink if I really wanted to though. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1093962Retarded, it will make you blind and you will be robbed. Kind of like it's always done. Don't be stupid. In my opinion alcohol will be very useful. The world is not gonna be all of a sudden filled with responsible people thinking of their future... Alcohol would be primarily used for trade not self-consumption. Alcohol would probably trade very high in those times along with cigarettes and other drugs people currently use to comfort themselves. When TSHTF the people that couldnt cope with life's problems are going to be even more desperate. Not only will these things trade very highly but you can get people to do things for you. Hire an entire army of drunks with promises of alcohol after they slay the opposing faction. They'll go into an alcoholic frenzy... Thats +10 to strength and 30% faster attack speed. And when only 50% of your troops return alive, you got all that "labor" for free. |
korp (OP) User ID: 1073735 United States 09/09/2010 06:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | alcohol - May seem pointless at first, but people will want to drink. Being able to brew up alcoholic drinks will be a good thing because it will be something people will want, if they can't get it, they'll live, but it's a comfort item that people would enjoy. I'm currently brewing my first batch of mead, to make it sustainable, though, I would need to learn how to grow yeast, and have easy access to honey. I could use any kind of fruit to make an alcoholic drink if I really wanted to though. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1092997Retarded, it will make you blind and you will be robbed. Kind of like it's always done. Don't be stupid. In my opinion alcohol will be very useful. The world is not gonna be all of a sudden filled with responsible people thinking of their future... Alcohol would be primarily used for trade not self-consumption. Alcohol would probably trade very high in those times along with cigarettes and other drugs people currently use to comfort themselves. When TSHTF the people that couldnt cope with life's problems are going to be even more desperate. Not only will these things trade very highly but you can get people to do things for you. Hire an entire army of drunks with promises of alcohol after they slay the opposing faction. They'll go into an alcoholic frenzy... Thats +10 to strength and 30% faster attack speed. And when only 50% of your troops return alive, you got all that "labor" for free. That made me lol. Your post summed up my thoughts on it though. When TSHTF, I won't be drinking, but having a good supply of alcohol could make you a very wealthy person. I'm sure there are other home-brewers besides me in my area, but I doubt a single one of them knows how to grow their own yeast, and without they, they can't make beer. I'm sure they can still make moonshine, but that's something I'd never drink. When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. -Thomas Jefferson Join my village and earn some cash on the side. Watch the intro video and see if you're interested! [link to www.varolo.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1005671 United States 09/09/2010 06:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | After a week or two the nasty mixture needs to be heated up and the rising vapors are captured in a metal pipe that is long enough to cool the vapors to liquid at the other end of the pipe. Pure alcohol, Moonshine, will drip from the pipe. Pure alcohol is a major asset. Sterilization, preservation of food, fuel for engines, combustable/explosive, enjoyable and tradeable. |
Melodye User ID: 510451 Australia 09/09/2010 06:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hire an entire army of drunks with promises of alcohol after they slay the opposing faction. They'll go into an alcoholic frenzy... Thats +10 to strength and 30% faster attack speed. And when only 50% of your troops return alive, you got all that "labor" for free. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1092997That's diabolical. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1093983 Sweden 09/09/2010 06:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since this is a long term survival thread you must also prepare if you should hide or fight Raiders. There will be Raiders, especially people that don't have the necessary skills to survive. So do you hide your refuge or fight them off? Will you take them head on or ambush them? Should you have traps around your refuge? Walls? Camouflage? Underground? |
Burt Gummer User ID: 989406 United States 09/09/2010 06:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I like your thinking....but I disagree with your core assumption.... Quoting: korp...that we would be heading back into the STONE AGE. All the things you mentioned will NOT disappear. Be realistic....fire starting tools gone forever? Come on....even a busted lighter has a flint to use. ...and batteries will always be around...even if you have to make them from coke cans or gourds to start a fire. There are many other things.....but overall....you are going WAY too far into the STONE AGE. The flint from the lighters wont be around forever though. This isn't necessarily about going back into the stone age though, it's about being able to produce the things we need so survive, and live comfortable. Without big companies to make and ship the items to you, they'll have to be produced locally, and without a large supply of energy, things will have to be made by primitive means. You are WAY too far into the nitty gritty my friend. Bring your DOOM up a few notches. There's flint in my back yard....and GAZILLIONS of dead and alive lighters out there...and matches...and electrical ways of starting fires....and fire starters....etc...etc...on and on. Hell, I could start a fire from some solar panels if I had to. Do you expect you couldn't find things to light a fire even 10 years into a SHTF scenario? Not realistic. By the time we run out of options....the world will have rebooted itself anyway and it will be a non-issue. As for companies making and shipping stuff to me.... Like what?....you mean food? That can be produced at home. It's called FARMING.....AND....and hopefully you already have enough provisions stored for minimum of 6 months....and preferably 3 years. We don't need no stinkin "big companies shipping". I know I don't. Be realistic about your surroundings too. Where are you going to live and how? ...do you have land? ...do you have running water (speaking of which....where are you going to get parts for your de-salinator with "no shipping"?) Will it handle enough to water a whole 2 acre garden??? Again....come a bit "out of the weeds" and into a reality scenario.....and there are PLENTY of those DOOM scenarios. |
Melodye User ID: 510451 Australia 09/09/2010 06:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since this is a long term survival thread you must also prepare if you should hide or fight Raiders. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1093983There will be Raiders, especially people that don't have the necessary skills to survive. So do you hide your refuge or fight them off? Will you take them head on or ambush them? Should you have traps around your refuge? Walls? Camouflage? Underground? LOL You'd know. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1005671 United States 09/09/2010 06:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since this is a long term survival thread you must also prepare if you should hide or fight Raiders. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1093983There will be Raiders, especially people that don't have the necessary skills to survive. So do you hide your refuge or fight them off? Will you take them head on or ambush them? Should you have traps around your refuge? Walls? Camouflage? Underground? If you need to fight, one has already failed at hiding. Stay ahead of the curve and avoid conflict at all cost. My theory is stay lightweight so I can be out of the area really fast. My Lentil Sprouts will keep us fed until all the crazy people kill each other off. |