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MUSLIMS are allowed to LIE and deceive NON MUSLIMS, if it benefits or protects ISLAM.

 
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I wish ALL religions were null and void. Solve a lot of the world's problems if they were.
If at first you don't succeed, perhaps failure is more your style.
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This is the central reason all those peace treaties with Israel don't work.
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I wish ALL religions were null and void. Solve a lot of the world's problems if they were.
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you are the proble with the west. you think you are free to talk and wag you ass. but you are not free
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I wish ALL religions were null and void. Solve a lot of the world's problems if they were.

you are the proble with the west. you think you are free to talk and wag you ass. but you are not free
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No, I do realise we are not free here in the West. No one on Earth is totally free. Religion is ONE of the main causes of that.

And, Asswipe, never assume I wag my ass at anything or anyone. Totally insulting.
If at first you don't succeed, perhaps failure is more your style.
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Taqiyya and Kitman

Do you mean that G.W.BUSH was a muslim?
*Jentle*

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*edited for double post.*

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I wish ALL religions were null and void. Solve a lot of the world's problems if they were.

you are the proble with the west. you think you are free to talk and wag you ass. but you are not free

No, I do realise we are not free here in the West. No one on Earth is totally free. Religion is ONE of the main causes of that.

And, Asswipe, never assume I wag my ass at anything or anyone. Totally insulting.

I kno women like you,western women are the same. wag your ass wag you mouth. have soem decncy. You talk like a hoar and show your ass to everyone
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Is English not your first language? I would like to know before I throw some more insults your way. Oh, and lighten up. You take life too seriously.
If at first you don't succeed, perhaps failure is more your style.
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I wish ALL religions were null and void. Solve a lot of the world's problems if they were.

you are the proble with the west. you think you are free to talk and wag you ass. but you are not free

No, I do realise we are not free here in the West. No one on Earth is totally free. Religion is ONE of the main causes of that.

And, Asswipe, never assume I wag my ass at anything or anyone. Totally insulting.

I kno women like you,western women are the same. wag your ass wag you mouth. have soem decncy. You talk like a hoar and show your ass to everyone

Is English not your first language? I would like to know before I descend upon you with a load of bad grammar and spelling insults. Oh, and lighten up, mate. Don't take life so seriously.
 Quoting: *Jentle*

I speak 3 languages. Now your speaking like a lady. maybe ther is hope for you but i see western women everywhere acting like sluts with no marals and your picture made me think you are a slut to. why show it like that?
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I speak 3 languages. Now your speaking like a lady. maybe ther is hope for you but i see western women everywhere acting like sluts with no marals and your picture made me think you are a slut to. why show it like that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1097785

Oh, should I be wearing a veil? You have to get away from the idea of "all women are......." and treat each person as an individual. Anyway, good luck and have a joyful life. hf
If at first you don't succeed, perhaps failure is more your style.
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its wild, I know. can you imagine trying to negotiate with someone when you know their fingers are probably crossed the whole time? and its totally too cool for them to lie to you because by their estimation you are different.

its okay to kill you too; and steal your shit.

anything goes in that religion.
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I wish ALL religions were null and void. Solve a lot of the world's problems if they were.

you are the proble with the west. you think you are free to talk and wag you ass. but you are not free

No, I do realise we are not free here in the West. No one on Earth is totally free. Religion is ONE of the main causes of that.

And, Asswipe, never assume I wag my ass at anything or anyone. Totally insulting.

I kno women like you,western women are the same. wag your ass wag you mouth. have soem decncy. You talk like a hoar and show your ass to everyone

Is English not your first language? I would like to know before I descend upon you with a load of bad grammar and spelling insults. Oh, and lighten up, mate. Don't take life so seriously.

I speak 3 languages. Now your speaking like a lady. maybe ther is hope for you but i see western women everywhere acting like sluts with no marals and your picture made me think you are a slut to. why show it like that?
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OK. This should appeal to your very conservative view of how women should be...to you. :Jen 86:

There, is that decent for you?
If at first you don't succeed, perhaps failure is more your style.
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If anybody wants a Koran i will upload one.
 Quoting: Atheist


do it
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09/14/2010 05:28 PM
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catholic priests never lie

i trust them

fundamental christians never lie

i trust them


this thread is stupid jerkit
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they arent about sawing your head off.
mathetes

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If anybody wants a Koran i will upload one.


do it
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USC has the best translations...all 3 accepted English versions




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For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Taqiyya and Kitman

Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."

There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman.

These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

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Mohammed HIMSELF used deception when he signed a 10-year treaty with the Meccans that allowed him access to their city while he secretly prepared his own forces for a takeover.

The unsuspecting residents were conquered in easy fashion after he broke the treaty two years later, and some of the people in the city who had trusted him at his word were executed.



Its in the Koran and the Hadith, read it.
 Quoting: Atheist

This proves mumuhmed was a liar.
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Hey Op...While ur at it go read the Talmud. It teaches that it is okay to lie to the goyem which are non Jews....Nice try though but ur propaganda doesnt fly in the face of those hip to your bullshit.
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Granted im not up on the talmud, its the only one of the major religious texts i dont own personally, however i think all the main religious are fucking retarded.

The point of this thread is to make people who know very little about the koran who make assumptions about it based on an understanding of the bible that it can be quote mined by extremists which is not strictly true as it is considered to be taken more literal than the bible.

Islam is somewhat of a political ideology as well as a religion.

Im not saying all muslims are bad, or liars, i know some very nice people from muslim families.

Just making the point that deception of non muslims can be considered part of the faith.
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This is the central reason all those peace treaties with Israel don't work.
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He whom fights with monsters take care, lest he become a monster himself.
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Don't worry to much mate, they all marry their cousins and their Kids are born Blind and retarded, not very good if you want to wage war on us infidels.
HUSSAR!
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USC has the best translations...all 3 accepted English versions

[link to www.usc.edu]
 Quoting: mathetes


Saves me doing it thanks.
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Don't worry to much mate, they all marry their cousins and their Kids are born Blind and retarded, not very good if you want to wage war on us infidels.
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This true. Satan's inbred religion.
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Most Muslims do love, like a good job, like freedom and want their children to prosper. They like an IPhone, good food and a nice holiday.
If you really think otherwise, you have been brainwashed by the military industrial complex and Israel.

Don't believe the hype....
Time is a great teacher, unfortunately it kills all its pupils.
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bump
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WARNING; siren2siren2






ISLAMS MEANS skull_fing
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The same is true of the orthodox Jew.


Im not going to deny christianity and judaism are full of corruption and liars
 Quoting: Atheist



clappa clappa
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1095217


clappa clappa

You'd think all these cult members would get along better, considering.
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You just tumbled to that.

Taqiyya and Kitman

Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."

There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman.

These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

-

Mohammed HIMSELF used deception when he signed a 10-year treaty with the Meccans that allowed him access to their city while he secretly prepared his own forces for a takeover.

The unsuspecting residents were conquered in easy fashion after he broke the treaty two years later, and some of the people in the city who had trusted him at his word were executed.



Its in the Koran and the Hadith, read it.
 Quoting: Atheist
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Don't be naive. We can always think of an excuse to commit mayhem. People attack each other over a frickin' football game! Read Gulliver!

I wish ALL religions were null and void. Solve a lot of the world's problems if they were.
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I keep hearing the faint voecis of three or four Muslims who insist that we shouldn't judge 1.2 billion Muslims by the outrageous acts of a few (hundred thousand) extremists. Oh, and the vast majority of imams (at least the ones who can and will speak). I'm perfectly willing to believe that 95% of Muslims just want to be left in peace to make a living and raise kids. Unfortunately, that still leaves approximately sixty million Muslims trying to destroy western civilization. So here's my advice to the 95% of nice Muslims who just want to practice their peaceful religion: you stop the sixty million homicidal nutcases, or we will. We're not going to sit around and be destroyed. If someone offends my God, they have a great deal more to worry about than offending ME or making ME angry. And he doesn't need me to defend him. As for Allah, and his "prophet" Mohammed, the Judeo-Christian sacred writings answer well enough:Judges 6:29-31 They asked each other, Who did this? When they carefully investigated, they were told, Gideon son of Joash did it. The men of the town demanded of Joash, Bring out your son. He must die, because he has broken down Baal's altar and cut down the Asherah pole beside it. But Joash replied to the hostile crowd around him, Are you going to plead Baal's cause? Are you trying to save him? Whoever fights for him shall be put to death by morning! If Baal really is a god, he can defend himself when someone breaks down his altar.
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Sounds just like any government in power today ... is there a point to this ?
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Thanks for posting the video.Couple of cnemmots...The blond gal "Swede on the Street" who criticized the Security Fence and other policies to protect Israeli Jews from agression and violence, admitted that she wasnt clued in enough to form an opinion (and also that she is spoiled in an isolated from "the Other" homogenous country)...which means she is just aping what is the common viewpoint that she hears in Swedish media...the accepted and promoted view (by the Swedish Establishment). However Sweden already has its own Gazas springing up in Malmo and elsewhere. She will soon understand very well, what is happening. Even if its worse for Israeli Jews as they are surrounded by Hordes of Arab Muslims...for 1000s of miles.Secondly...The Jewish gal that is promoting Jews as at the forefront of promoting Multiculturalism and suppressing the Indigenous (or Majority) culture. Honey, that is going to get Jews into deep doo doo. Tangental to that, American Jews of the Leftwing persuastion which means the vast majority of them...are turning against Israel, preferring instead to guard their own interests as a minority in the US. Defending Israels right to be a Jewish State and promote a Jewish majority population and culture, is at such odds with their promotion of minority rights, and multiculturalism and disallowing Euro Christian majority countries from promoting the interests, peoples, and culture of those groups....is such a hypocrisy, that they are abandoning the defense of Israel.We live in interesting times.
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