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Genesis 1:1 In a Beginning created Gods

 
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Genesis 1:1 In a Beginning created Gods
In a beginning created Gods (elohlm)
1)Alph Tav Heavens first and the Alph and Tav Earth (Erits)

Genesis 1:1 reads In Beginning created Gods Alph Tav heavens the Alph Tav earth. Alph Tav is the first and last letter of the Hebrew Alphabet.

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Explains In a beginning created Gods
[link to www.read-the-bible.org]

A beginning is what did the creating of Gods (Elohim in Genesis 1:1

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This is what I have:

(b-rashith = In beginning) (bra = he created) (aleim = Elohim) <--plural, more than one (ath e-shmim = and the heavens) (u-ath e-artz = and the Earth) (Gen 1:1)

It say's BRA created the Elohim!!

___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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This is what I have:

(b-rashith = In beginning) (bra = he created) (aleim = Elohim) <--plural, more than one (ath e-shmim = and the heavens) (u-ath e-artz = and the Earth) (Gen 1:1)

It say's BRA created the Elohim!!

___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth

I posted the link because it is the same in the Greek in John 1:1 in beginning was the word the word was towards "The Theos (God) and the word was (a) Theos (God) "The Theos" was greater than (a) Theos.

I'm trying not to make a statement about what this means as yet, I do know that B-rashith is before the Elohim. I don't have a clear understanding of the process.
In other words did these Elohim (theos) live before , in another state? Were they put in this position by a higher power? or were they bought from nothing to something?
I do believe we are being brought to the Elohim level, in a process of learning and growing. I believe Yahoshua offered us the leaving of the slave race to become children of the Highest,......(that is "The Beginning")

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elohim (mighty ones) are the angels

the angels do the actual making of things that God commanded
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elohim (mighty ones) are the angels

the angels do the actual making of things that God commanded
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The Elohim (mighty ones) was yhvh and his cohorts!!

The Malchi/Malachi were the angels (messengers)!!

It was the Elohim that took wives, even yhvh had a consort!!

The benei Elohim saw the daughters of Adam, that they were fit extensions. And they took wives for themselves from all those that they chose...
The Nephelim were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when the benei Elohim came in to the daughters of Adam, and they bore to them—they were Powerful Ones (mighty ones) which existed from ancient times, the men of name. (Gen. 6:2,4) Interlinear Hebrew Bible

The Elohim were flesh and blood creatures!!

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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

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And 2532 unto the angel 32 of the church 1577 of the Laodiceans 2994 write 1125 ; These things 3592 saith 3004 the Amen 281, the faithful 4103 and 2532 true 228 witness 3144, the beginning 746 of the creation 2937 of God 2316;

the numbers are the number of the word from strongs concordance.
from revelation3. always wondered why it said that...
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And 2532 unto the angel 32 of the church 1577 of the Laodiceans 2994 write 1125 ; These things 3592 saith 3004 the Amen 281, the faithful 4103 and 2532 true 228 witness 3144, the beginning 746 of the creation 2937 of God 2316;

the numbers are the number of the word from strongs concordance.
from revelation3. always wondered why it said that...
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Good find

Revelation 3:14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:

So it is the beginning of the creation of God that is talking the Alph Tav of Genesis 1:1

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elohim (mighty ones) are the angels

the angels do the actual making of things that God commanded
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A beginning created Gods which is supreme over them and this world, but Yahoshua let us know their was a higher power that no one ever knew 'A Beginning' the one who now will father us or beget us, or birth us, this is all part of the original plan, we have been slave since the Elohim created and YHWH formed us. We have been set free from the slavery of the Elohim.

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Re: Genesis 1:1 In a Beginning created Gods
elohim (mighty ones) are the angels

the angels do the actual making of things that God commanded


The Elohim (mighty ones) was yhvh and his cohorts!!

The Malchi/Malachi were the angels (messengers)!!

It was the Elohim that took wives, even yhvh had a consort!!

The benei Elohim saw the daughters of Adam, that they were fit extensions. And they took wives for themselves from all those that they chose...
The Nephelim were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when the benei Elohim came in to the daughters of Adam, and they bore to them—they were Powerful Ones (mighty ones) which existed from ancient times, the men of name. (Gen. 6:2,4) Interlinear Hebrew Bible

The Elohim were flesh and blood creatures!!

___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth

Genesis one is a flesh and blood childern of Elohim looked at the daughters of Adam an crossed over into a forbidden area, I am not sure if this was wrong with the Highest "A Beginning." Even if it were "The Beginning our Parent" would fix it. As he is now. Making the two enemies one.

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Revelation 3:14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:
What does this mean?

Genesis 1:1 In a beginning created Gods the Alph Tav heavens and the Alph Tav earth (erits).
Reading in Hebrew the word "The" is Alph and Tav, the first and last letter of the Hebrew Alphabet
So transliterating In a Beginning created Gods Alph Tav Heavens Alph Tav Earth (first and last, in Greek Alpha and omega).....So here it says that it is a Beginning that created Gods, the first being the one who is called the Alph and Tav. So before the Heavens became Gods and The Earth, there wa a beginning who Yahoshua tells us is the Father who will offer salvation and sonship to all.

John 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
After Alph and Tav was created by a beginning together they created the Host of Heavens who were not to be worshiped Mother Earth who was God not to be worshiped but was.

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And 2532 unto the angel 32 of the church 1577 of the Laodiceans 2994 write 1125 ; These things 3592 saith 3004 the Amen 281, the faithful 4103 and 2532 true 228 witness 3144, the beginning 746 of the creation 2937 of God 2316;

the numbers are the number of the word from strongs concordance.
from revelation3. always wondered why it said that...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154424

The beginning of the creation of gods.....
The beginning is the highest the parent over all that is gods
the beginning, life giving

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In other words did these Elohim live before?
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Yes, the Kingdom of God is eternal.
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Re: Genesis 1:1 In a Beginning created Gods
Where u getting this beginning God from?
It simply states In the beginning as in at the start.....
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Where u getting this beginning God from?
It simply states In the beginning as in at the start.....
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"In the beginning" of creation = pre-creation.
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In other words did these Elohim live before?


Yes, the Kingdom of God is eternal.
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The Kingdom of Elohim is Olam, olam = age in English. Before people or Earth or heaven their was no need for Elohim, we don't know what Beginning is other than what we have been told that In the Beginning created Elohim Alph Tav (first last)
heavens (the host of heavens) Earth ( Mother Earth Nature etc, she life giving)
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Where u getting this beginning God from?
It simply states In the beginning as in at the start.....


"In the beginning" of creation = pre-creation.
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In the Beginning created Gods Elohim in Hebrew plural.

In the English it read In the Beginning Gods created....

Not so in Hebrew.

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In other words did these Elohim live before?


Yes, the Kingdom of God is eternal.

The Kingdom of Elohim is Olam, olam = age in English. Before people or Earth or heaven their was no need for Elohim, we don't know what Beginning is other than what we have been told that In the Beginning created Elohim Alph Tav (first last)
heavens (the host of heavens) Earth ( Mother Earth Nature etc, she life giving)
 Quoting: nzreva



Simply put: God is eternal - so is His Kingdom.


The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it. Luke 16:16

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. Mark 13:31
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Re: Genesis 1:1 In a Beginning created Gods
B= in the
[link to en.wiktionary.org]
In the =particle prep.
In the beginning shows a creative at of gods the first and the last the heavens the earth

do u spake anglosh?
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Sorry, a creative act from the beginning. The "In the Beginning"
is what created. The Alph and Tav is the first created act, that is the starting point. Alph and Tav the first and last could have existed before this but in another form. Their is no need for gods or higher powers unless their is a rebellion or a take over. In the end Elohim will be in all through all then we will understand for we will be perfect teleos complete mature etc.

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I guess nobody here speaks or reads Hebrew, nor understands it.

"B'rishit bara Elohim et-hashamayim v'aretz."

You need to use the whole statement.
You have MIS translated the verse and taken it out of context.

B'rishit: In the beginning

Bara: created

Elohim: Gods

Et-hashamayim: the heavens

V'aretz: and the earth


Elohim is indeed plural. It is PROOF of a GODHEAD, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Hebrew does NOT express gramatically like English.

You say "dog black" "kelev shachor' for a black dog.

"In the beginning, created God, the heavens and the earth."

This is normal hebrew grammar and sytax.

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Revelation 1:7 "Behold, He comes with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen."

Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look on Me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for Him, as one mourns for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for Him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."
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I guess nobody here speaks or reads Hebrew, or understands it. ''B'rishit bara Elohim ET hashamayim v'aretz.''
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Revelation 3:14 14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:

Who is the Beginning of creation of God? The spirit
Revelation 3:22 22 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'"
People always read English
It is the Bure sit that bara created Elohim above it says the Beginning is the Spirit
The Bet is the house where the womb would be in the Spitit, which is feminine in Hebrew. It was a creative act from the Beginning

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I guess nobody here speaks or reads Hebrew, or understands it. ''B'rishit bara Elohim ET hashamayim v'aretz.''

Revelation 3:14 14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:

Who is the Beginning of creation of God? The spirit
Revelation 3:22 22 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'"
People always read English
It is the Bure sit that bara created Elohim above it says the Beginning is the Spirit
The Bet is the house where the womb would be in the Spitit, which is feminine in Hebrew. It was a creative act from the Beginning
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um...what????
bonghit
Revelation 1:7 "Behold, He comes with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen."

Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look on Me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for Him, as one mourns for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for Him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."
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I guess nobody here speaks or reads Hebrew, or understands it. ''B'rishit bara Elohim ET hashamayim v'aretz.''

Revelation 3:14 14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:

Who is the Beginning of creation of God? The spirit
Revelation 3:22 22 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'"
People always read English
It is the Bure sit that bara created Elohim above it says the Beginning is the Spirit
The Bet is the house where the womb would be in the Spitit, which is feminine in Hebrew. It was a creative act from the Beginning

um...what????
bonghit
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In the Beginning Created.....
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Who is the Beginning of creation of God? The spirit
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God is Spirit John 4:24

Spirit wasn´t created.
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Who is the Beginning of creation of God? The spirit



God is Spirit John 4:24

Spirit wasn´t created.
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My point, exactly Spirit did the creating Spirit created gods.... In the Beginning created gods, this is how it reads in Hebrew.

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This is what I have:

(b-rashith = In beginning) (bra = he created) (aleim = Elohim) <--plural, more than one (ath e-shmim = and the heavens) (u-ath e-artz = and the Earth) (Gen 1:1)

It say's BRA created the Elohim!!

___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

I posted the link because it is the same in the Greek in John 1:1 in the beginning was the word the word was towards The Theos and the word was Theos The Theos was greater than Theos.

I'm trying not to make a statement about what this means as yet, I do know that B-rashith is before the Elohim. I don't have a clear understanding of the process. In other words did these Elohim live before? Where they put in this position by a higher power or were they bought from nothing to something.
I do believe were are being bought to the Elohim level, in a process of learning and growing. I believe Yahoshua offered us the leaving of the slave race to become children of the Highest,......
 Quoting: nzreva

The Highest being IN The Beginning
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Who is the Beginning of creation of God? The spirit



God is Spirit John 4:24

Spirit wasn´t created.

My point, exactly Spirit did the creating Spirit created gods.... In the Beginning created gods, this is how it reads in Hebrew.
 Quoting: nzreva


I think you´re wrong and S'gan-Levi is right.

... "godS created" ...

all, out of spirit (not out nothingness which is a big misconception).


Spirit is mentioned by Jesus too:

Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. John 3:5
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Who is the Beginning of creation of God? The spirit



God is Spirit John 4:24

Spirit wasn´t created.

My point, exactly Spirit did the creating Spirit created gods.... In the Beginning created gods, this is how it reads in Hebrew.


I think you´re wrong and S'gan-Levi is right.

... "godS created" ...

all, out of spirit (not out nothingness which is a big misconception).


Spirit is mentioned by Jesus too:

Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. John 3:5
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154807

You have a right to your opinion, but the Hebrew says something different. In the Beginning created gods.
I never mentioned nothingness. You added that. As also you own opinion. I'm quoting.

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Hi Nzreva hi not long now my friend. smile_hear
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get behind me satan, its already been explained to you that the literal translation wont accurately translate, but is translated correctly "In the beginning God created......

get a life retard




Who is the Beginning of creation of God? The spirit



God is Spirit John 4:24

Spirit wasn´t created.

My point, exactly Spirit did the creating Spirit created gods.... In the Beginning created gods, this is how it reads in Hebrew.


I think you´re wrong and S'gan-Levi is right.

... "godS created" ...

all, out of spirit (not out nothingness which is a big misconception).


Spirit is mentioned by Jesus too:

Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. John 3:5

You have a right to your opinion, but the Hebrew says something different. In the Beginning created gods.
I never mentioned nothingness. You added that. As also you own opinion. I'm quoting.
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get behind me satan, its already been explained to you that the literal translation wont accurately translate, but is translated correctly "In the beginning God created......

get a life retard




Who is the Beginning of creation of God? The spirit

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