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***Urgent***Your Congressional Morans deep-sixed the bill to harden our grid against EMP: the doom is ON!

 
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The names of the people who removed the EMP and solar storm provisions, the members of the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, are:

Jeff Bingaman (NM)
Byron L. Dorgan (ND)
Ron Wyden (OR)
Tim Johnson (SD)
Mary L. Landrieu (LA)
Maria Cantwell (WA)
Robert Menendez (NJ)
Blanche Lincoln (AR)
Bernard Sanders (I) (VT)
Evan Bayh (IN)
Debbie Stabenow (MI)
Mark Udall (CO)
Jeanne Shaheen (NH)
Lisa Murkowski (AK)
Richard Burr (NC)
John Barrasso (WY)
Sam Brownback (KS)
James E. Risch (ID)
John McCain (AZ)
Robert Bennett (UT)
Jim Bunning (KY)
Jeff Sessions (AL)
Bob Corker (TN)

[link to apps.onesecondafter.com]

* * * * * *

Everybody - now is the time to seriously prepare. We all have to. If our grid goes down from the sun, and NASA has already issued a warning about this very real possibility for 2013; everybody should have enough resources at hand for a minimum of FOUR YEARS.

We can no longer harden our grid in time for the 2013 timeframe.

We could do some, but not when it doesn't even get through congress.

You've been sold out.

Prepare.
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[link to empcommission.org]

Link to multiple reports by the EMP COMMISSIOAN

The EMP Commission was established pursuant to title XIV of the Floyd D. Spence National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2001 (as enacted into law by Public Law 106-398; 114 Stat. 1654A-345). Duties of the EMP Commission include assessing:

the nature and magnitude of potential high-altitude EMP threats to the United States from all potentially hostile states or non-state actors that have or could acquire nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles enabling them to perform a high-altitude EMP attack against the United States within the next 15 years;
the vulnerability of United States military and especially civilian systems to an EMP attack, giving special attention to vulnerability of the civilian infrastructure as a matter of emergency preparedness;
the capability of the United States to repair and recover from damage inflicted on United States military and civilian systems by an EMP attack; and
the feasibility and cost of hardening select military and civilian systems against EMP attack.
The Commission is charged with identifying any steps it believes should be taken by the United States to better protect its military and civilian systems from EMP attack.

Multiple reports and briefings associated with this effort have been produced by the EMP Commission including an Executive Report (PDF, 578KB) and a Critical National Infrastructures Report (PDF, 7MB) describing findings and recommendations.
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For any who are unfamiiar with what this portends, a solar EMP from the sun happened majorly in 1859, again in 1921, and a partial solar EMP took out part of Canada's grid and South Africa's grid several years ago.

FACTS:

A big one could take out the grid for the entire planet.

It will be worse the closer to the poles the location in question is.

It could take out the grid of the entire planet if it's strong enough.

It would have cost only 10% more to harden our grid with Obama's smartgrid plan. The new "SMART GRID" doesn't include any hardening, and indeed it makes our grid even more vulnerable to a solar EMP or a military EMP attack.



How you'll know the big one happened:

*Most cars will stop in their tracks. Even cars not running will have their electronic parts fried.

*Folks with pacemakers will fall over dead.

*Most aircraft will fall from the sky like rocks, crash and burn.


From then on, for at least FOUR YEARS AFTER THIS, you'll have to somehow get by without:

Electricity
Vehicles
Heat
Air Conditioning
Refrigeration
Sewage Sytem
Internet
Grocery Stores
Medications
Hospitals
Doctors
Dentists
Schools
Jobs
Fire Departments
Police Departments
FOOD
CLEAN DRINKING WATER

FOOD and CLEAN WATER are the biggies. Farmers would no longer be able to grow crops, there will be no crops to take to processing plants, no trucks to transport any food from anywhere.

North America will perish.

The congressional report estimated that within one year 90 PERCENT OF AMERICANS WOULD BE DEAD.

And our congress members, in their infinite stupidity, decided to make this a very real possibility for our country, for you and your family, despite NASA's solar flare warning for 2013.

We may be able to raise that survival rate from 10% up to much larger percentages if we can get the word out for people to prepare now in large numbers.

It's up to each of you, what you do.
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op ...Thankyou for bringing this to our attention...Imho this should be pinned.

As to preps...well I live in houston so stockpiling four years is out. My city will burn in the aftermath imho.

Others already located in the countryside should consider stockpiling if able.

just my .02

thanks again for letting us know who voted.
1:1.618 ratio
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5 *'s and a bump
1:1.618 ratio
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C2C subscribers can catch the latest update from Professor Forstchen at the following link:



[link to www.coasttocoastam.com]

8:08 into hour 1
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op ...Thankyou for bringing this to our attention...Imho this should be pinned.

As to preps...well I live in houston so stockpiling four years is out. My city will burn in the aftermath imho.

Others already located in the countryside should consider stockpiling if able.

just my .02

thanks again for letting us know who voted.
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YW hf

All the major media, due to the NASA warning, should have covered this instead of a small church pastor burning a koran. Millions of lives hang in the balance here now. BILLIONS if it does affect the entire planet.

I don't understand. It's like they hope it'll happen to bring the USA down so bad it'll have to be bulldozed...
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[link to www.youtube.com]


EMP Electromagnetic Pulse Attacks Pt1 William Forstchen




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EMP Electromagnetic Pulse Attacks Pt2 William Forstchen




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EMP Electromagnetic Pulse Attacks Pt3 William Forstchen




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EMP Electromagnetic Pulse Attacks Pt4 William Forstchen



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EMP Electromagnetic Pulse Attacks Pt5 William Forstchen



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EMP Electromagnetic Pulse Attacks Pt6 William Forstchen



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EMP Electromagnetic Pulse Attacks Pt7 William Forstchen



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EMP Electromagnetic Pulse Attacks Pt8 William Forstchen
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[link to www.coasttocoastam.com]

C2C subscribers can still access this interview about EMP with Art Bell. Lots of good ham radio vs. EMP info.
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Watch a ford taurus get zapped by an EMP.
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From a very detailed accounting of precisely how every Nuclear Energy Plant in the USA will go down in a solar EMP or an EMP attack:



"The bottom-line is that if the spent fuel cooling pumps cannot be operated or the system cannot be cross-tied with the reactor shutdown cooling system, then the fuel assemblies in the spent fuel pool will melt, catch fire, and radioactive fission products will be released into the atmosphere and much of the countryside downwind of the nuclear power plant will be contaminated for many years. Thus, an EMP attack has the potential to cause a Chernobyl type accident at every nuclear power plant in the country!"


[link to www.survivalblog.com]
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NASA warns about Solar cycle 24 EMP SOLAR FLARES CME
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next life i'm going to a planet where the creatures on it don't tolerate stupid ideas like powering the planet with toxins.
the rest is news to me so thanks for bringing it to our (glp) attention!
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Well, at least we "saved" the big banks, AIG, General Motors and anyone else they could think of. See things are all bad. cool2
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[link to www.animatedsoftware.com]

One of many nuclear fallout maps available online of the USA. A good place to be will depend on which way the wind is blowing. Some may need to travel hundreds of miles in a day or two, on foot, to survive the solar EMP taking down our nuclear plants and reactors..
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[link to poleshift.ning.com]

A map showing the locations of all nuclear plants and reactors in the USA and potential fallout zones.
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next life i'm going to a planet where the creatures on it don't tolerate stupid ideas like powering the planet with toxins.
the rest is news to me so thanks for bringing it to our (glp) attention!
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YW. Please pass the info on. Most people don't have a clue and are totally uninformed about the real and inevitable dangers of this.

It IS inevitable until we harden our grid!

We can still call our senators and reps. Anything they can do is needed. We can also call Homeland Security. Local news channels. Inform people on talk radio shows.

Awareness has to be raised for the grid hardening to take place.

Even some hardening would be better than none!
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For anybody who doesn't know: all of your electronics will be totally fried if not in a farraday cage and grounded.

They'll be useless anyways, for the most part. You won't have power, and nobody to communicate with.

Your solar panels will be fried. Generators - fried. Well pump - fried. All of it.

Cars not running will also be fried, along with replacement parts for the car not in a farraday cage and grounded.

No internet anymore will be the least of your problems. Avoiding being cannibalized will be at the top of your list after finding clean water and a 4 plus years food supply.
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[link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080]
Looks like this could cause trouble.

Comment from the SIDC (RWC Belgium): Solar activity is expected to be very low for the next 48 hours. Geomagnetic activity is expected to be mostly quiet with a risk of unsettled to possibly isolated active conditions on late Sept. 13th or early Sept. 14th due to the arrival of the CME of Sept. 11th at the orbit of the Earth.

(Comments issued on 13 Sep 2010, 1222UT)
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The scary thing about the grid going down is that it could take much longer than 4 yrs for it to go back up again. My husband works for the telephone co./contractor, and I know for a fact that the supplies are on a NEED basis. There are NO STOCK pile of 'parts, i.e., poles, cable, fiber-optics,etc. Out there. When they have a job to do, alot of times they are late with their deadlines because of PARTS to do the job with. It is a scary thing. Wonder why the Gov. has not seen to it this has been taken care of in the event of the grid going down? I have no idea....
We are living in the days in which we will *Witness* many things...

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge"...HOSEA 4:6
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The names of the people who removed the EMP and solar storm provisions, the members of the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, are:

Jeff Bingaman (NM)
Byron L. Dorgan (ND)
Ron Wyden (OR)
Tim Johnson (SD)
Mary L. Landrieu (LA)
Maria Cantwell (WA)
Robert Menendez (NJ)
Blanche Lincoln (AR)
Bernard Sanders (I) (VT)
Evan Bayh (IN)
Debbie Stabenow (MI)
Mark Udall (CO)
Jeanne Shaheen (NH)
Lisa Murkowski (AK)
Richard Burr (NC)
John Barrasso (WY)
Sam Brownback (KS)
James E. Risch (ID)
John McCain (AZ)
Robert Bennett (UT)
Jim Bunning (KY)
Jeff Sessions (AL)
Bob Corker (TN)

[link to apps.onesecondafter.com]

* * * * * *

Everybody - now is the time to seriously prepare. We all have to. If our grid goes down from the sun, and NASA has already issued a warning about this very real possibility for 2013; everybody should have enough resources at hand for a minimum of FOUR YEARS.

We can no longer harden our grid in time for the 2013 timeframe.

We could do some, but not when it doesn't even get through congress.

You've been sold out.

Prepare.
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The scary thing about the grid going down is that it could take much longer than 4 yrs for it to go back up again. My husband works for the telephone co./contractor, and I know for a fact that the supplies are on a NEED basis. There are NO STOCK pile of 'parts, i.e., poles, cable, fiber-optics,etc. Out there. When they have a job to do, alot of times they are late with their deadlines because of PARTS to do the job with. It is a scary thing. Wonder why the Gov. has not seen to it this has been taken care of in the event of the grid going down? I have no idea....
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Yep. And the USA doesn't make our own replacement parts anymore. We'd have to get them from France. That's where the four year figure comes from. Assuming France doesn't go down, it would take them four years to produce all of our replacement parts under best case circumstances.

I don't know why Homeland Security hasn't taken care of this.

It's my understanding we also don't make our own replacement parts for our nuclear plants anymore either.

Gee, that could create some real jobs.
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The scary thing about the grid going down is that it could take much longer than 4 yrs for it to go back up again. My husband works for the telephone co./contractor, and I know for a fact that the supplies are on a NEED basis. There are NO STOCK pile of 'parts, i.e., poles, cable, fiber-optics,etc. Out there. When they have a job to do, alot of times they are late with their deadlines because of PARTS to do the job with. It is a scary thing. Wonder why the Gov. has not seen to it this has been taken care of in the event of the grid going down? I have no idea....



Yep. And the USA doesn't make our own replacement parts anymore. We'd have to get them from France. That's where the four year figure comes from. Assuming France doesn't go down, it would take them four years to produce all of our replacement parts under best case circumstances.

I don't know why Homeland Security hasn't taken care of this.

It's my understanding we also don't make our own replacement parts for our nuclear plants anymore either.

Gee, that could create some real jobs.
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Not sure if parts he gets is made in the states or not, I will have to ask him when he comes in. Would not doubt it though. Shocked me that there is no 'stockpile' somewhere for this stuff, after all they have a seed bank! Who do they think is going to be putting those poles up anyways? LOL! It is a bit more complicated than one may think, and that would be a HUGE undertaking!
We are living in the days in which we will *Witness* many things...

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge"...HOSEA 4:6
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The scary thing about the grid going down is that it could take much longer than 4 yrs for it to go back up again. My husband works for the telephone co./contractor, and I know for a fact that the supplies are on a NEED basis. There are NO STOCK pile of 'parts, i.e., poles, cable, fiber-optics,etc. Out there. When they have a job to do, alot of times they are late with their deadlines because of PARTS to do the job with. It is a scary thing. Wonder why the Gov. has not seen to it this has been taken care of in the event of the grid going down? I have no idea....



Yep. And the USA doesn't make our own replacement parts anymore. We'd have to get them from France. That's where the four year figure comes from. Assuming France doesn't go down, it would take them four years to produce all of our replacement parts under best case circumstances.

I don't know why Homeland Security hasn't taken care of this.

It's my understanding we also don't make our own replacement parts for our nuclear plants anymore either.

Gee, that could create some real jobs.


Not sure if parts he gets is made in the states or not, I will have to ask him when he comes in. Would not doubt it though. Shocked me that there is no 'stockpile' somewhere for this stuff, after all they have a seed bank! Who do they think is going to be putting those poles up anyways? LOL! It is a bit more complicated than one may think, and that would be a HUGE undertaking!
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I got my facts from listening to Professor Forstchen, the author of "One Second After" about the effects of EMP. He got his facts from talking to folks in the military, scientific reports, research, talking to a congressman from Maryland who's been advocating for hardening our grid for over a decade now, a congressional research report, people in the industry, etc. I consider him to be a reliable source.

How any people could even be located to make any repairs is also a good question. Nobody is going to leave their family in a major anarchic situation to go string power lines and repair transformers.
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Ok, just found out that the cable is made here in the states, actually local where I am... he said the cable was one thing, the components to make it work is another, it is assembled in Mexico... I had no idea. Anyways, this stuff is MADE FOR ORDER ... meaning there is NO stockpiling of 'supplies'. That makes me wonder about the entire EMP theory really. If the Gov. thought for one minute that the grid would or could go down, they would have prepared for this. UNLESS they have this stuff already made up and stored somewhere.... who knows.....
We are living in the days in which we will *Witness* many things...

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge"...HOSEA 4:6
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I got my facts from listening to Professor Forstchen, the author of "One Second After" about the effects of EMP. He got his facts from talking to folks in the military, scientific reports, research, talking to a congressman from Maryland who's been advocating for hardening our grid for over a decade now, a congressional research report, people in the industry, etc. I consider him to be a reliable source.

How any people could even be located to make any repairs is also a good question. Nobody is going to leave their family in a major anarchic situation to go string power lines and repair transformers.
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I know! Believe me, I have thought about this, a lot! Especially since it is my husbands line of work. Not any joe blow off the street can do this, it does take some knowledge in the field.
We are living in the days in which we will *Witness* many things...

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge"...HOSEA 4:6
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GGG has been saying this for a while:

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Ok, just found out that the cable is made here in the states, actually local where I am... he said the cable was one thing, the components to make it work is another, it is assembled in Mexico... I had no idea. Anyways, this stuff is MADE FOR ORDER ... meaning there is NO stockpiling of 'supplies'. That makes me wonder about the entire EMP theory really. If the Gov. thought for one minute that the grid would or could go down, they would have prepared for this. UNLESS they have this stuff already made up and stored somewhere.... who knows.....
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According to Forstchen there is no stockpiling. The transformers would all have to be replaced, and those are the parts from France.

I don't think we can count on our govt to hopefully have all this stored up somewhere in giant farraday cages in secret, and be able to then magically transport it all to where it would need to go. They couldn't even handle hurricane Katrina.

LOL Accusing our govt of having foresight is kind of funny

hf
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GGG has been saying this for a while:

[link to www.gunsgrubandgold.com]
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Could you link to pertinent information we need? Most folks don't have time to go through that entire forum to look for it, including me. Thanks!
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I got my facts from listening to Professor Forstchen, the author of "One Second After" about the effects of EMP. He got his facts from talking to folks in the military, scientific reports, research, talking to a congressman from Maryland who's been advocating for hardening our grid for over a decade now, a congressional research report, people in the industry, etc. I consider him to be a reliable source.

How any people could even be located to make any repairs is also a good question. Nobody is going to leave their family in a major anarchic situation to go string power lines and repair transformers.


I know! Believe me, I have thought about this, a lot! Especially since it is my husbands line of work. Not any joe blow off the street can do this, it does take some knowledge in the field.
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Maybe those guys in your husband's field can all help raise awareness too. If we could at least harden the grid in rural areas where food is grown that would be a huge help.

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