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What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.

 
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What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.
In the past I did enjoy watching him but all he does is repeat the phrase "we will be raptured no trib for us.' The Bible never says anyone will be pre-trib raptured we must go through tribulation like Noah,Job,Daniel,Jonah etc... If it wasn't for Jesus coming back then no flesh would survive. Some will not face the first death the Bible says. We will be saved through tribulation just like Noah. When Jesus comes the dead in Christ will rise first, followed by those who are alive "and in Christ." That is the second coming and the Bible says every eye will see him. So first of all how could that be a secret rapture. The reformers taught totally opposite from what MS Christianity is teaching now. The Left behind series sets people up to believe that the word of God is real because people have vanished and now I know it's true because I have seen so I will be on my best behavior. The tribulation does not start after this. God says a wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign but none will be given. After Jesus comes it's over.
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Re: What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.
There will be a lot of sad, surprised Christians when they realize the tribulation is upon them and there's no easy escape.

I was a pre-trib rapture proponent for years, but have since changed my position. I say no pre-trib rapture will occur.

The bride will need to be made white through the fires of testing and persecution.
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Re-schedule?

Missed dates never usually bother multi-media con-artists like Van Impe, and his ilk. And the suckers who send him money will just gulp it down, like the incredible tissue of horseshit that it is.
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There is no rapture we are all guilty sinners
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Re: What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.
hear is the deal ... believe it or not I could care less.

the sheep are being conditioned ... to believe that they will be saved in the last day, by a heavenly host...

they will be fooled into lining up and getting into space craft by the aliens who created this lie in the first place.

yes, there will be space craft loading up full with these sheeple, just before the pole shift ... they will be taken far far away and sold as cattle to ETs

good ridance
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Re: What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.
I HAVE YOUR ANSWER!

He recently announced that a generation now is one hundred years so now he can still rake in the dough as Jesus' return has been extended, have to hand it to him, it may work!
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Re: What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.
There will be a lot of sad, surprised Christians when they realize the tribulation is upon them and there's no easy escape.

I was a pre-trib rapture proponent for years, but have since changed my position. I say no pre-trib rapture will occur.

The bride will need to be made white through the fires of testing and persecution.
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I hear you. Was there myself for many years. Blew my mind when I realized the bible does not support the idea of a "secret" return of Christ. Has completely changed how I think about everything.
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Re: What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.
There will be a lot of sad, surprised Christians when they realize the tribulation is upon them and there's no easy escape.

I was a pre-trib rapture proponent for years, but have since changed my position. I say no pre-trib rapture will occur.

The bride will need to be made white through the fires of testing and persecution.
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I was a pre-tribber as well until I read the Bible. It sounded so good. Many have died in the faith such as Paul and John the Baptist and they were not raptured. The Bible says even the elect will be decieved if possible, right now they are. When world economies are beyond decline then war is the only escape to neutralize debt. Who at this point in time does not believe the U.S. must do something to null their 13 trillion dollar deficet. I also do not believe a 3rd temple will ever be built because once Jesus destroyed the temple he destroyed the first system of sacrifice. Since he was the sacrifice, no longer will that be done. Our bodies have now become the temple of Christ. The Devil is the most cunning creature ever made not stupid. Do not follow the wide path that leads to destruction instead follow the narrow path that leads to life.
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Re: What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.
Hopefully embrace the Cross.

Many martyrs in the near future.

Gird your loins and prepare Christians.

We do what Christians will always do stand fast.


Now fully expect the collapse of Mormons, Jev. Witness, rapture trib groups....if and when America falls these groups will fall with it. I feel sorry for them to an extent, they will not be able to grasp that they were lied to, hopefully other Christians will point the way.

Peace.
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Mr. Van Impe will be sitting here with the rest of us...
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Re: What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.
Here is what else he got wrong:


The Seven Years of False Peace.


By listening to him I figured out that he claims the Seven Years of False Peace has not happened yet.

But it might have happened.

Starting with the Oslo Agreement in 1993, and ending with Sharon's visit to the Temple in 2000 (big Palestinian riot then).

1993-2000 = Seven Years of a de facto False Peace.


Even a Commie like me is a better Christian then this guy!


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Some say that the False Prophet in the Book of Revelations (Apocalypse) is a symbolic representation for the false religious leaders and preachers, like the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, pre-Tribbies (like Jack van Impe, and others), and considering that he is "thrown into the lake of fire alive" that means they will still be working when the Armagedon starts.
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REXELLA KING of the MONSTERS!

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Re: What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.
in old days, false prophets were usually stoned....
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Re: What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.
In the past I did enjoy watching him but all he does is repeat the phrase "we will be raptured no trib for us.' The Bible never says anyone will be pre-trib raptured we must go through tribulation like Noah,Job,Daniel,Jonah etc... If it wasn't for Jesus coming back then no flesh would survive. Some will not face the first death the Bible says. We will be saved through tribulation just like Noah. When Jesus comes the dead in Christ will rise first, followed by those who are alive "and in Christ." That is the second coming and the Bible says every eye will see him. So first of all how could that be a secret rapture. The reformers taught totally opposite from what MS Christianity is teaching now. The Left behind series sets people up to believe that the word of God is real because people have vanished and now I know it's true because I have seen so I will be on my best behavior. The tribulation does not start after this. God says a wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign but none will be given. After Jesus comes it's over.
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a) find excuse.
b) move date of a new one as far ahead as possible.
c) get a hooker or a joint. or both.
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Re: What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.
the pre-trib rapture idea had to have been started by a former Military Recruiter. they make everything sound so peachy
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Re: What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.
Better yet what will you do OP? We are destined for WWIII. It will be nuclear and chemical and biological. You will not escape. Enjoy.
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Re: What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.
But to be fair, is Baba Vanga any more reliable?
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Re: What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.
What will you do when it does?
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Re: What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.
Rather than that, What will you do when it does?
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Re: What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.
What will you do when it does?
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Two thoughts along the same line! Bless you.
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But to be fair, is Baba Vanga any more reliable?
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Believe it or not, she scored couple of times.
So, yes.
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What will you do when it does?

Two thoughts along the same line! Bless you.
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Great minds eh?
See ya in the clouds brother.
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But to be fair, is Baba Vanga any more reliable?

Believe it or not, she scored couple of times.
So, yes.
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She got her 2008 prophecies wrong, so "a couple of times" may not be enough.

The Kursk thing might have been a "self-fulfilling prophecy".


Individuals like her would have been put to death in ancient Israel. You should have known it.
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Re: What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.
This has been promoted very strongly for about 36 years. Doesnt look like it is running out of steam, though it will relatively soon.
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Anyone who is brave enough to face the truth should go read at this site i am throwing out.
It takes an open mind to face the truth......if you don't have an open mind and want the truth at all cost, don't go there because it will shatter the image you have of the truth of the bible and religions.....
Only the truth sets you free....but if you like to be lied to.....well....it's your choice!

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Re: What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.
in old days, false prophets were usually stoned....
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I think they are now also.
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Re: What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.
I HAVE YOUR ANSWER!

He recently announced that a generation now is one hundred years so now he can still rake in the dough as Jesus' return has been extended, have to hand it to him, it may work!
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exxxxxactly!
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This has been promoted very strongly for about 36 years. Doesnt look like it is running out of steam, though it will relatively soon.
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Since at least the late Roman period, according to Jack van Impe.
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Re: What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.
no worries for him, he'll just keep moving the dates back and he'll eventually die....so he dosen't care.

I'm a Christian but these type people keep people scared instead of promoting peace and good will to the less fornuate and sad of heart. These type make a mockery of God and do more harm than good to the Christian name.
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Re: What will Jack Van Impe do when rapture doesn't happen.
The early Christians were not martyred because of God's wrath.......but rather satan's wrath as expressed through man.

Hitler murdering so many Jews and others was not God's wrath......but satan's wrath as expressed through men.


This has been the case for many years and continues today in various parts of the world.


Satan continues as prince of this world until Christ returns. That is one of the reasons that there has been so much evil and trouble.


That is why the elect being caught up by angels is PRE-WRATH.......NAMELY..... GOD'S WRATH.


His wrath is announced as about to begin at the 6th Seal. The 144,000 of Israel are then sealed from harm. They will remain on earth. Then a great multitude from all the nations which no one could number shows up in heaven. They can wear robes and have palm branches in their hands. This is the rapture.

Then you have God's wrath......namely the 7th Seal.


There is no Pre-Trib or Post-Trib rapture because "The Tribulation Period" and "The Great Tribulation Period" are HUMAN INVENTIONS.

They are not found in Scripture.

It is a trick of the devil. He is the master of half-truths.

You do have Daniel's 70th week which is the final seven years prior to Christ's return. But the 70 weeks prophecy was given to Daniel in answer to prayer for his people Israel. He wanted to know how long the punishment would last......how long God would hide His face from Israel.

The 70th week will be the final week of punishment against Israel. Then Christ will return and God will put His Spirit inside those of Israel who remain. See Ezekiel.

The book of Revelation on the other hand was given by Christ to the Church. The Seven Seals share some things in common with Daniel's 70th week......but they are not the same thing. The First Seal is vague.....and could have begun many years ago.

Although Christ opens all 7 Seals.....this does not prove that God's wrath begins at the First Seal. It is not stated as such. It is however stated very clearly at the 6th Seal as about to happen. The nature of the 7th Seal trumpet and bowl judgments are very unique. People will know that they are coming from God.....and not man.

There is no support either that God's wrath begins at the beginning of Daniel's 70th week.


Here is how Satan has tricked many Christians. As a new believer you will be very thirsty for God's word and will absorb nearly everything presented on TV, books, at bible studies, etc. Sadly new believers will absorb and believe things before checking them out carefully. The Pre-Trib position is well established and accepted by many. A new believer can easily fall in to it.

It is best to prayer for Wisdom from God (James 1). He will help you to see the truth.

By buying into "The Tribulation Period" prior to a completed study of God's Word (with God's help)......this will influence you when you later on come across Scripture that contain the words:

tribulation
great tribulation


In your mind you will assign either 3.5 or 7.0 years to them.....and place the event at the middle of Daniel's 70th week......or at the end.

This will lead to false conclusions.....something which the enemy wants.

You cannot assign 3.5 or 7.0 years to it......because Tribulation Period is manmade.


You have to go with just the words presented in Scripture......what is before you.


tribulation or great tribulation means a time of great hardship......period.


For example in Matthew 24:15, the abomination is seen standing in the Holy Place.

Christ tells those nearby to leave everything behind and flee to the mountains.

This will be a time of great trouble coming from the man of evil.

You then come to verse 21.

"For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world......"


If you have bought into the man-made "Great Tribulation Period".......you will assign 3.5 years to the above event.


You will then have to get clever about explaining the next verse.

"And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened."

How will God shorten something which is supposed to be 3.5 years long?


The truth is......is not 3.5 years long.

Satan will have his time of wrath as expressed through the anti-christ, false prophet, and man. He will first go after the Jews.....then after the "offspring"....the Gentile Christians.

This time of Satan's wrath will go on for a few years. There is no way to tell exactly how long. God will end it....otherwise no flesh would be saved.

You then have the 6th Seal announcement of God's wrath....and then God's wrath (7th Seal_).


You will also make an error in verse 29 if you are not careful. In truth Mt 24:29-31 is a parallel verse to the 6th Seal of Rev.

Mt 24:31 describes the believers being caught by angels.


Verse 29 contains the word tribulation.....so you just have to translate it as a time of trouble......the length of which is not specified.



Satan wants the believers to believe that the entire 7.0 year period is God's wrath......and that believers will vanish beforehand.


This is because they will be completely caught off guard when the anti-christ does show up. Many will have a lapse in their faith.

This is probably why Christ asks "when I return, will I find faith?"


If you see a day's wages for a loaf of bread.....you will know that you have been deceived with "Pre-Trib" Make plans to head for the wilderness. Cling to God. He will lead you and take care of you.

He would not have told people to flee to the mountains in Mt 24......only to have them starve there.

Keep in mind how God took care of Israel in the desert. He will do the same for you.
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"The early Christians were not martyred because of God's wrath.......but rather satan's wrath as expressed through man.

Hitler murdering so many Jews and others was not God's wrath......but satan's wrath as expressed through men.


This has been the case for many years and continues today in various parts of the world.


Satan continues as prince of this world until Christ returns. That is one of the reasons that there has been so much evil and trouble. "




That is the only true part of the above post.

There will be a Great Tribulation, and even many of the saints will be killed.

It says so in the Bible.

As for God's Wrath, eventually it must happen.


Check Soddom and Gomorrah.

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