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Those who know....Russias false collapse?

 
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Alexander?

I remember reding this before, but still, thank you very much
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We are living in a Red world. We have slept in the West and we are going to wake up in a nightmare.

The hidden hand plays Master League Chess while we play checkers.

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Thank you, 645
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We are living in a Red world. We have slept in the West and we are going to wake up in a nightmare.

The hidden hand plays Master League Chess while we play checkers.

[link to red-world-country-profiles.blogspot.com]
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If these things are true, you are VERY correct.

Do you think they may have planned, allowed, or financed 9-11 in any way, or just stepped back and allowed it to happen?

Of course, i remember the MSM reports of Russia warning us....blah blah blah

But were any of these things possible, in your mind?
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Thank you, 645
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No worries...
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In a March 1989 memorandum to the US Central Intelligence Agency, Golitsyn revealed the dreadful conclusion of Mikhail Gorbachev's "perestroika" reforms: "The final period of 'restructuring' in the United States and Western Europe would be accompanied, not only by the physical extermination of active anti-Communists, but also by the extermination of the political, military, financial, and religious elites. Blood will be spilled and political re-education camps would be introduced."

In the same 1989 memorandum, written more than 12 years before the September 11 terrorist attacks, Golitsyn predicts: "The Russians may be expected to provoke an incident unattributable to themselves involving the explosion of a nuclear device somewhere in the West not excluding the United States. The purpose would be to reassert or re-emphasize the necessity for the American-Russian partnership now, and to create pressure for eventual World Government."

Four years later, in a February 1993 memorandum, Golitsyn warned: "Ignore Russian and Chinese strategic designs against the United States at your peril."


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This above. Not necessary for Russia to have been behind 911... Britian, and Saudia Arabia and the Vatican could have that all wrapped up. But, Gorby's words can haunt. KGB head officer president / prime minister of Russia? What really is that all about? Why KGB?

Who now can take a manned trip to the ISS anytime they want without including Americans on board? Why, Russia of course. Once the USA stops having their own astronauts go up there, what is to stop Russia from arming the silly thing with nuclear weapons that drop down and re-enter the Earth's atmosphere like so many nuclear tipped shooting stars?

And dear Gorby gets to set up shop at a former US Naval Base just outside of San Francisco? What was that really all about?
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We are living in a Red world. We have slept in the West and we are going to wake up in a nightmare.

The hidden hand plays Master League Chess while we play checkers.

[link to red-world-country-profiles.blogspot.com]


If these things are true, you are VERY correct.

Do you think they may have planned, allowed, or financed 9-11 in any way, or just stepped back and allowed it to happen?

Of course, i remember the MSM reports of Russia warning us....blah blah blah

But were any of these things possible, in your mind?
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Planned, allowed and financed.

They are building South and Central America right now and funding the Mexico problem.

Red Dawn
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And not only that but Gorby gets to be on a Congressional advisory committe for the closure of US Military Bases, what was that all about?
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And what other country has a developing manned space mission besides Russia, now that the USA has decided it doesnt' need to have its own manned launch systems? Why "former communist" (now active fascist, national socialist) China, that's who. Look for Japan and India's manned space developments to get ye ole shoe in the gears routine.
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And Russia itself is no longer communist but a national socialist nation.
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If very nation on Earth becomes National Socialist, then Communism, which is international socialism, is then a defacto world wide government.
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In a March 1989 memorandum to the US Central Intelligence Agency, Golitsyn revealed the dreadful conclusion of Mikhail Gorbachev's "perestroika" reforms: "The final period of 'restructuring' in the United States and Western Europe would be accompanied, not only by the physical extermination of active anti-Communists, but also by the extermination of the political, military, financial, and religious elites. Blood will be spilled and political re-education camps would be introduced."

In the same 1989 memorandum, written more than 12 years before the September 11 terrorist attacks, Golitsyn predicts: "The Russians may be expected to provoke an incident unattributable to themselves involving the explosion of a nuclear device somewhere in the West not excluding the United States. The purpose would be to reassert or re-emphasize the necessity for the American-Russian partnership now, and to create pressure for eventual World Government."

Four years later, in a February 1993 memorandum, Golitsyn warned: "Ignore Russian and Chinese strategic designs against the United States at your peril."


[link to once-upon-a-time-in-the-west.blogspot.com]

This above. Not necessary for Russia to have been behind 911... Britian, and Saudia Arabia and the Vatican could have that all wrapped up. But, Gorby's words can haunt. KGB head officer president / prime minister of Russia? What really is that all about? Why KGB?

Who now can take a manned trip to the ISS anytime they want without including Americans on board? Why, Russia of course. Once the USA stops having their own astronauts go up there, what is to stop Russia from arming the silly thing with nuclear weapons that drop down and re-enter the Earth's atmosphere like so many nuclear tipped shooting stars?

And dear Gorby gets to set up shop at a former US Naval Base just outside of San Francisco? What was that really all about?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 985286


To me, at first glance looks like an open back door.

A very OPEN door at that.

As far as nukes go, that may be stretched, as if they want to occupy this continent an "farm" it, that may contaminate it, and make it less valuable, no?

I agre, it could be used as a threst, though.

Last Edited by FreeDumb on 09/18/2010 03:27 AM
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Russia's fake collapse only makes sense in a bigger picture where two NWO factions are semi-competing against each other following semi-false agendas created by TPTB.

The Anglo-Saxon establishment Vs the UN/NWO.

How else is it possible to explain the apparent, blindness, incompetence, paralysis of the West - in the face of numerous and repeated clues, warnings, defections etc.

The suicidal mass importation of Muslims into Europe.
and a similar picture of multicultural suicide in the US

These factions are both competing and pursuing common goals - 911 seems to have been part of that war - and Obama seems to be an endphase compromise between the two factions - the key being his lack of elligability and explains why it is completely hands off for the media.

It is all a question of how the US will be collapsed Obama has a certain time to achieve a relatively peacfull collapse - or it will be done by force!

This all leads to the Albert pike scenario!
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And not only that but Gorby gets to be on a Congressional advisory committe for the closure of US Military Bases, what was that all about?

A hand-picked/path planning mission?
To either allow spaces to be made for movement, or just the knowledge of the whereabouts?


And what other country has a developing manned space mission besides Russia, now that the USA has decided it doesnt' need to have its own manned launch systems? Why "former communist" (now active fascist, national socialist) China, that's who. Look for Japan and India's manned space developments to get ye ole shoe in the gears routine.

Why do we no longer need it?
Theres a deeper issue here, that Im not farmiliar with, either...back to the moon, which is another issue with ALOT of wierd things.


And Russia itself is no longer communist but a national socialist nation.

And it sems as though our admitted college era Marxist president is setting a stage, with socialized medicine/Obamacare...Possible?

If very nation on Earth becomes National Socialist, then Communism, which is international socialism, is then a defacto world wide government.

If they all become a National-Socialist platform, will they need to admit to a Communist agenda?

Or even call themselves as such?

Im glad Ive found a few posters that have an interest and some knowledge in this area, and with these issues.

Thank you for posting, mambers.

Im learning a bit, and thats why Im here.

I wish H.L. would pop in for a word or 2, or even some of the ones that disagree with his ideas, so I could get both sides of this theory.
"Majority of Amerika is too awash in its own mediocrity to commit to fighting for freedom" Mojo
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Russia's fake collapse only makes sense in a bigger picture where two NWO factions are semi-competing against each other following semi-false agendas created by TPTB.

The Anglo-Saxon establishment Vs the UN/NWO.

How else is it possible to explain the apparent, blindness, incompetence, paralysis of the West - in the face of numerous and repeated clues, warnings, defections etc.

The suicidal mass importation of Muslims into Europe.
and a similar picture of multicultural suicide in the US

These factions are both competing and pursuing common goals - 911 seems to have been part of that war - and Obama seems to be an endphase compromise between the two factions - the key being his lack of elligability and explains why it is completely hands off for the media.

It is all a question of how the US will be collapsed Obama has a certain time to achieve a relatively peacfull collapse - or it will be done by force!

This all leads to the Albert pike scenario!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1034753


I can tell you, 753...your post instills some fear, and it does it with truth.

It hits me in the face with things hat have just been laying around, if you know what I mean.

Obvious things, that when not put in a pile by the right person, at the right time, look like trash.

Make sense?
"Majority of Amerika is too awash in its own mediocrity to commit to fighting for freedom" Mojo
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Interesting part to the Deception book:

Pages 338-340: 'The intensification of hardline policies and methods in the
Soviet Union, exemplified by Sakharov's arrest and the occupation of Afghanistan,
presages a switch to "democratisation" following, perhaps, Brezhnev's departure
from the political scene... Brezhnev's successor may well appear to be a kind of Soviet
Alexander Dubcek. The succession will be important only in a presentational sense.
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Russia's fake collapse only makes sense in a bigger picture where two NWO factions are semi-competing against each other following semi-false agendas created by TPTB.

The Anglo-Saxon establishment Vs the UN/NWO.

How else is it possible to explain the apparent, blindness, incompetence, paralysis of the West - in the face of numerous and repeated clues, warnings, defections etc.

The suicidal mass importation of Muslims into Europe.
and a similar picture of multicultural suicide in the US

These factions are both competing and pursuing common goals - 911 seems to have been part of that war - and Obama seems to be an endphase compromise between the two factions - the key being his lack of elligability and explains why it is completely hands off for the media.

It is all a question of how the US will be collapsed Obama has a certain time to achieve a relatively peacfull collapse - or it will be done by force!

This all leads to the Albert pike scenario!


I can tell you, 753...your post instills some fear, and it does it with truth.

It hits me in the face with things hat have just been laying around, if you know what I mean.

Obvious things, that when not put in a pile by the right person, at the right time, look like trash.

Make sense?

 Quoting: guindog



Well thankyou!

There are another couple of vital things that need to be put into the picture regarding Ice ages and ET's - but I will post it later - I need to go to sleep right now.
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Russia's fake collapse only makes sense in a bigger picture where two NWO factions are semi-competing against each other following semi-false agendas created by TPTB.

The Anglo-Saxon establishment Vs the UN/NWO.

How else is it possible to explain the apparent, blindness, incompetence, paralysis of the West - in the face of numerous and repeated clues, warnings, defections etc.

The suicidal mass importation of Muslims into Europe.
and a similar picture of multicultural suicide in the US

These factions are both competing and pursuing common goals - 911 seems to have been part of that war - and Obama seems to be an endphase compromise between the two factions - the key being his lack of elligability and explains why it is completely hands off for the media.

It is all a question of how the US will be collapsed Obama has a certain time to achieve a relatively peacfull collapse - or it will be done by force!

This all leads to the Albert pike scenario!


I can tell you, 753...your post instills some fear, and it does it with truth.

It hits me in the face with things hat have just been laying around, if you know what I mean.

Obvious things, that when not put in a pile by the right person, at the right time, look like trash.

Make sense?




Well thankyou!

There are another couple of vital things that need to be put into the picture regarding Ice ages and ET's - but I will post it later - I need to go to sleep right now.
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Yes, I ned some sleep also, but pleae continue to contribute to this thread, its my first "serious" thread, with alot of serious interest.

I hope others will find it interesting and contribute useful information, or questions too.

And I hope H.L will make his way by, and give us something good too, it was him that piqued my interest in these ideas and theories.

Again, thank you all for posting, and especially for maintaing civility and seriousness....hard to come by here sometimes!
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Hey, thanks...I just got back on, and figured Id cruise some new posts, but Im up for some conversation on the subject
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Man, why cant I get anyone to think about this, or either talk me out of this theory...or add to it?

Its not very far fetched.
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Sugarelf, have you heard this theory before?
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no....never even considered it before....
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I have to finish the harvest today. Here are some videos for your viewing and an interview link. Will try to be back tonight after working in the field.








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I have to finish the harvest today. Here are some videos for your viewing and an interview link. Will try to be back tonight after working in the field.








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Sweet, Thanks 353.

Gonna watch em right now.
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Lets pin threads about 911 being done by the russians instead of the Anglo American establishment.

Marvin Bush's security company did security for the WTC and project for the new american century called for a new pearl harbor right before 911 and the military ran drills the same morning of 911 to cause NORAD to fail....

... but lets pin threads about it being the Russians because wrong posts or disinformation is good instead of bad.
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Agreed. The original thread was complete BS.
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Lets pin threads about 911 being done by the russians instead of the Anglo American establishment.

Marvin Bush's security company did security for the WTC and project for the new american century called for a new pearl harbor right before 911 and the military ran drills the same morning of 911 to cause NORAD to fail....

... but lets pin threads about it being the Russians because wrong posts or disinformation is good instead of bad.



Agreed. The original thread was complete BS.
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I see alot of ideas and theories about 9-11 here that are just straight out of the rubber rooms of looney bins.

This theory of the Soviet union engineering a false collapse to get closer to its enemies intrigues me.

If nothing else, between H.L., and Dimitri, there are alot of things to read about it.

The theories they both put forth, as different as they may be...share a few ideas.

Even if you dont think its feasible that 9-11 happened this way, take a quick read of them.

At least afterwards you can say that youve eliminated another theory, and may get closer to the truth.

Im still in the process of taking it all in, and reading the links and stories provided.

The Perestroika deception, if nothing else to most of you, is a GREAT read.

And the ideas from this book, almost alarmingly mirror todays world.
"Majority of Amerika is too awash in its own mediocrity to commit to fighting for freedom" Mojo

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