Massive Put Options Bought on the S&P 500 - October crash? | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1043029 United States 09/20/2010 11:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I did a long analysis and writeup on this about 3 weeks ago.. My gamble was that Chicago Sears Tower would be hit by a small nuclear device that would burn the buildings in a seven block radius, introduce martial law, and ignite war against Iran.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 394580Thank you very much, sir, for this insightful collection and analysis. Very useful, imo. However, I am unwilling to download your mediafire file, for obvious reasons. Some morans have really missed the point by arguing about the current name of the Sears Tower. Geeesh. . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1043029 United States 09/20/2010 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From the video... Quoting: DanfromtheHillsEach block of 1000 represents 2.5 million dollars, also, 24,000 put options. Looks like maybe 2,000 in call options. Contracts run from 10/16/2010, to 11/20/2010. So, put to call is about 12 to 1. contracts probably run from time of purchase to 11/20/10. Ok, thanks. Yes, thanks bunches. . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1104379 United States 09/20/2010 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Guess what ... if somebody bought a lot of put options, that means that somebody else sold a lot of put options. You can't have a buyer without a seller. So if you're going to conclude that because somebody bought a lot of put options, therefore the market is going to crash, you also have to conclude that because somebody sold a lot of put options, therefore the market isn't going to crash. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1004920 United States 09/20/2010 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Guess what ... if somebody bought a lot of put options, that means that somebody else sold a lot of put options. You can't have a buyer without a seller. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1104379So if you're going to conclude that because somebody bought a lot of put options, therefore the market is going to crash, you also have to conclude that because somebody sold a lot of put options, therefore the market isn't going to crash. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1104185 United States 09/20/2010 12:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Guess what ... if somebody bought a lot of put options, that means that somebody else sold a lot of put options. You can't have a buyer without a seller. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1104379So if you're going to conclude that because somebody bought a lot of put options, therefore the market is going to crash, you also have to conclude that because somebody sold a lot of put options, therefore the market isn't going to crash. hey retard, did you miss the memo on naked shorts ? its not like anyone is going too jail for it even if they bet wrong the us gov will bail them out |
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C74R1TY-44 User ID: 1076751 United States 09/20/2010 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can you pls give a brief explanation of puts and calls? Thanks Quoting: Anonymous Coward 568981The storm is closing in to begin again from the beginning. Never sitting through my waking life oblivious. The ignorance running rampant through the city is indicative of something worse; this picture isn't pretty. |
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matt User ID: 1007990 United States 09/20/2010 02:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What you all fail to realize is that the market has already made a huge correction. By the government issuing so much new currency the markets have built in that inflation. A Dow of 10000 today is equivalent of a Dow of about 7500 two years ago. We have inflated the money supply so much, that they have stolen a significant portion of our wealth already. It's like inflating the money supply by 20 percent, then giving returns of 10 percent. People are screaming of a huge rally yet they have been taken for 10 percent. Wake up people. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 919411 United States 09/20/2010 04:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gold and Silver, mon ami! Quoting: FreedomSheepPlease reinstate your "Communard" sheep av, with the knife in its mouth! Hey bro...GLP is so greedy that it didn't even offer a subscription to the logo design contest participants (serious ones), therefore the avatar is off with all the smilies, by the way, it's amazing how so many people enjoy this lil' oxymoron avatar. Please reinstate original "freedom sheep" avitar. It always made me feel empowered (against ALL ODDS). It also made me feel still "en league" with the freedom-loving French who came to our rescue in the Revolutionary War when without the help of their fleet WE would likely have become "lambs for the slaughter". Please? |
GaGal User ID: 1013803 United States 09/20/2010 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What you all fail to realize is that the market has already made a huge correction. By the government issuing so much new currency the markets have built in that inflation. A Dow of 10000 today is equivalent of a Dow of about 7500 two years ago. We have inflated the money supply so much, that they have stolen a significant portion of our wealth already. Quoting: matt 1007990It's like inflating the money supply by 20 percent, then giving returns of 10 percent. People are screaming of a huge rally yet they have been taken for 10 percent. Wake up people. Well put and spot on. |
Jessica6 User ID: 1104402 Canada 09/20/2010 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These puts are getting crushed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 781636indeed. ahahahaha Some people speculate that that is what's been fuelling every rally since March of 09. Short-sellers being squeezed and having to cover. The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - HL Mencken |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 951582 United States 09/20/2010 05:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From the video... Quoting: DanfromtheHillsEach block of 1000 represents 2.5 million dollars, also, 24,000 put options. Looks like maybe 2,000 in call options. Contracts run from 10/16/2010, to 11/20/2010. So, put to call is about 12 to 1. I know little about the market but if the put/call is 12 to 1, then sounds like somebody knows something!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1104652 United States 09/20/2010 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THE PARTY WAS GREAT AND THE SMART GUESTS LEFT EARLY. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 394580I wouldn't call criminals "smart". Anyone would appear to be smart if they had insider information and were co-ordinating with other tribal criminals to manipulate the outcome. If you break the law and rig the game and you have paid off the regulators then how could you lose? Its called organized crime and should not be going on and they should be in jail under the RICO laws. . . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1103658 Spain 09/20/2010 06:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Premius on the vix future huge?Ok then vxx is a etf should are very huge and future vix index very huge and cfds in vix very very huge but this is not happen,because premius on the vix not have very prognostic significance.You should to see future vix or her cfds.Crash?maybe but this is not know,i am believe that down 15% is easy in weeks but not more. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1104778 Peru 09/20/2010 06:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Somebody knows who manages the puts and calls? I'll call this entity "the house" and the house has to manage bets where the house loses 1 if the market goes down in October and gains 12 if the market goes up . If the house has some kind of control over the market I bet you 100 to 1 it will not crash in October. And I sense it has some kind of control since the Fed is handing money for nothing to so many TBTF. And the house is using MSM to ramp up this burglary disguised as casino operation disguised as finantial operation disguised as th tip of the year! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1104781 United States 09/20/2010 06:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From the video... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 951582Each block of 1000 represents 2.5 million dollars, also, 24,000 put options. Looks like maybe 2,000 in call options. Contracts run from 10/16/2010, to 11/20/2010. So, put to call is about 12 to 1. I know little about the market but if the put/call is 12 to 1, then sounds like somebody knows something!! Put to call ratio is a contratrian indicator, as we have been seeing all this month with the huge rally. High put/call = BULLISH Low put/call = BEARISH "One of the most reliable indicators of future market direction is a contrarian-sentiment measure known as the put/call options volume ratio." [link to www.investopedia.com] |
Emmeric User ID: 754308 United States 09/20/2010 06:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe somewhat they bet on a false flag event coming by october, "they're buying bigger than big". Quoting: FreedomSheepHere's another interesting piece: Even the Little Guy Now Realizes that the Stock Market is Gamed, And Many Are Pulling Out Entirely ../.TrimTabs notes that small investors pulled out $14 billion net from stock mutual funds from the beginning of last year through mid-December, on top of a net $245 billion withdrawn in 2008. Given that, at the end of September, individuals held 80% of the $19 trillion in stock in U.S. companies, both private and public - according to the Federal Reserve (see this, for example)- recovery will not happen so long as the little guys are sitting on the sidelines. TrimTabs notes that most of $592 billion taken out of money market mutual funds last year has gone into bond and bond-hybrid funds instead. The little guy has not gotten back in since then./.. [link to www.washingtonsblog.com] I lost $98K in gold futures in just 2 days a couple years ago. Before I knew it was all manipulated. I pulled completely out about a year ago after losing essentially everything. Despite having days where I made almost $200K. I used to be rich. When blacks have identity it is called pride. When indians have identity it is called culture. When Jewish people have identity it is called history. When WHITES have identity it is called Racism. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 961432 United States 09/20/2010 06:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What you all fail to realize is that the market has already made a huge correction. By the government issuing so much new currency the markets have built in that inflation. A Dow of 10000 today is equivalent of a Dow of about 7500 two years ago. We have inflated the money supply so much, that they have stolen a significant portion of our wealth already. Quoting: matt 1007990It's like inflating the money supply by 20 percent, then giving returns of 10 percent. People are screaming of a huge rally yet they have been taken for 10 percent. Wake up people. I think the S&P is about where it was 10 years ago right? So how much has it been devalued when you factor in 10 years of inflation? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1104158 Argentina 09/20/2010 06:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | BNP PARIBAS HOARDING SILVER MASSIVELY FOR 20,58 U$S Thread: BNP PARIBAS BUYING SILVER FOR 20,58 U$S! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1100144 United States 09/20/2010 06:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What you all fail to realize is that the market has already made a huge correction. By the government issuing so much new currency the markets have built in that inflation. A Dow of 10000 today is equivalent of a Dow of about 7500 two years ago. We have inflated the money supply so much, that they have stolen a significant portion of our wealth already. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 961432It's like inflating the money supply by 20 percent, then giving returns of 10 percent. People are screaming of a huge rally yet they have been taken for 10 percent. Wake up people. I think the S&P is about where it was 10 years ago right? So how much has it been devalued when you factor in 10 years of inflation? Novice here ... but they say that the real-wage cost for a man's suit is proportionately the same over the decades. Also, it seems that the "big boys" are buying "puts" in Suite A and "calls" in Suite B and gold and silver and platinum in Suite C, "government relations" in Suite D and "global strategies" in Suite E. Also, isn't the S&P just a handful of globalized corporations now ... all of whom fully utilize offshore havens and $1,000 an hour tax-evading attorneys and accountants? And don't most of these aforementioned Owners and Directors have ethnically identifiable last names? Perhaps moneychanging has not changed over millenia? Just asking? |
Emmeric User ID: 754308 United States 09/20/2010 06:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Remember, though, that the SnP is not a static measure, so inflation is just a part. The companies also gain in value as they produce goods or services for more efficient profit. Assuming zero inflation, you could still realize a gain in the SnP. Inflation this last 12 month period was right around 40%. Forget what the television tells you. Inflation also works two ways. many people just repeat what they hear on tellyvision without understanding the terms. Inflation is not necessarily price inflation. Those are two separate aspects. Many claim we are facing deflation because housing prices are falling. Not really, though. The bubble is deflating, certainly, but inflation itself can cause price collapses relative to value. Let's say you have a $200,000 home. The first thing tellyvision viewers think is that a 40% inflation rate means their house is now worth $280,000. What they fail to realize is that inflation eats the value of the dollar. While the dollar is inflating in supply, the real value of the house is falling. This is why in today's inflating market, housing prices are falling. With 40% inflation, that $200,000 house is now worth only $120,000 - an evaporation of 40% value. Some shallow thinkers would ask why gold then isn't falling but they're confusing assets and commodities. The SnP contains a few variables that are not dependent on inflation alone. So the inflation rate means little to the SnP. Theoretically, though, it would be much higher had we zero inflation and that is another measure of wealth confiscation using inflationary fiat money. When blacks have identity it is called pride. When indians have identity it is called culture. When Jewish people have identity it is called history. When WHITES have identity it is called Racism. |
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