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Another Major Hasan(AKA Major Jihadi) ticks away at Fort Hood...
After a Religion of Peacenik killed 14 Americans in an Islamic terror attack against unarmed servicemen at Fort Hood.Nothing has been done to prevent the horror from recurring, which it inevitably will. Next time, the soldier for Allah may be named Zachari Klawonn:


Muslim-American Soldier at Fort Hood Tells Al Jazeera: U.S. Army Training is ‘Propaganda Against Islam’
Zachari Klawonn, a Muslim U.S. Army specialist stationed at Fort Hood, Texas, told the Arabic-language television network Al-Jazeera in a recent interview that training he had undergone in the U.S. military was a “slap in my face” and “propaganda against Islam.”

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Please tell me there's something in the UCMJ that will allow the Army to rid itself of this traitor.

You can't just make statements like that and expect to remain in uniform.
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I'm still not buying the story they are selling on this. All the reports on the ground as it was happening were ignored or covered up. There were two areas on the base that reported gun fire. The guy at the golf course that saw someone (or more in the shed) The girl that was branded a hero and wasn't, just to make it a rally around point.
Now it is over, no further investigations, no interviews, just dead silence.
All we hear about is a trial for the fall guy that was brainwashed from Virginia who was passed through with some kind of Psyciatric degree. He thought one thing was going down, a cut out if you will, to cover up for whatever else was really going down.
The silence is deafening.

Sure, Fort Hood could be the scene of another event, but I won't buy it either. Nothing adds up. Why do we have practicing Muslims - ethnic - in a military that is targeting their fellow muslims?
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There's plenty if the brass had the balls.

Please tell me there's something in the UCMJ that will allow the Army to rid itself of this traitor.

You can't just make statements like that and expect to remain in uniform.
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I would really like to know why a muslim would want to join the american military? money?
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I would really like to know why a muslim would want to join the american military? money?
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I have wondered that myself, money? education?...if you know it is going to end up going against your beliefs that are so strong at some point then why?
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and another fear monger types away on GLP.
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I would really like to know why a muslim would want to join the american military? money?



I have wondered that myself, money? education?...if you know it is going to end up going against your beliefs that are so strong at some point then why?
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right? I just don't get it, but it makes sense for the money and free education and benefits.
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and another fear monger types away on GLP.
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and another fear monger types away on GLP.
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And another asshat has his foot inserted fully into his mouth...may not be a Muslim shooting but huh.

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I would really like to know why a muslim would want to join the american military? money?



I have wondered that myself, money? education?...if you know it is going to end up going against your beliefs that are so strong at some point then why?

right? I just don't get it, but it makes sense for the money and free education and benefits.
 Quoting: TwinSister


here is one answer that I have found.


Wa`alaykum As-Salaamu Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear questioner, thank you very much for having confidence in us, and we hope our efforts, which are purely for Allah's Sake, meet your expectations.

American Muslims are, by and large, American citizens. They should be good citizens who air their views by directing the American government to how far the use of force is wrong and unacceptable. They should try to convince the American government to change the way it deals with the Muslim world, and to explain that the use of force exercised by both sides is responsible for all what’s happening.

Here, we would like to cite for you the opinion of the eminent Muslim scholar Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi regarding the Islamic ruling on Muslims fighting one another, and we will cite his viewpoint on the issue, while keeping in mind the condition of Muslim communities in the West as well as the concerted efforts of Muslim to help spread da`wah therein.

In this regard, Sheikh Al-Qaradawi, chairman of the European Council for Fatwa and Research, states the following:

“I would like here to stress the fact that Islam has prohibited a Muslim to fight his fellow Muslim brother to the extent that indulging in such a fight is considered a form of disbelief or kufr and a behavior pertaining to the pre-Islamic ignorance. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said: “Cursing the Muslim is lewdness and killing him is disbelief.”

He is also reported to have said: “Do not (become infidels) revert to disbelief after me by striking the necks (cutting the throats) of one another (killing each other).” (Reported by Al-Bukhari)

In another Hadith narrated by Al-Ahnaf, Ibn Qays (may Allah be pleased with him) quotes the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) as saying: “If two Muslims meet with their swords (attacking each other) then (both) the killer and the killed one are in the (Hell) Fire.' I (Al-Ahnaf Ibn Qays) said, 'O Allah's Messenger! It is all right for the killer, but what about the killed one?' He said, 'The killed one was eager to kill his opponent.’” (Reported by Al-Bukhari)

Even, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) has forbidden a Muslim to direct a weapon against his brother; he should not even try to joke with that.

Here, the question arises: what about a Muslim recruited in the army of a non-Muslim country that is at war with Muslims? Such helpless Muslim soldier has no choice but to yield to the orders of his army commanders and he has no right to say ‘No’ or ‘Why’? This is a well-known military system worldwide.

Such Muslim finds himself on the horns of a dilemma when his country and the army he joins tend to attack a Muslim country. What shall he do while he is no more than a small gear in a huge machine?

The opinion, which is more akin to the sound juristic view here, is that a Muslim shouldn’t indulge in a war against his fellow Muslim brothers, and he may justify his position by asking for a leave or (a temporary) exemption from the military as the true conscience of a Muslim dictates that he shouldn’t indulge in killing a fellow Muslim brother without a justifiable reason. However, if there is no way but to participate, then a Muslim can join the rear to help in military service (i.e. not to participate in face-to-face confrontation).

The Muslim soldier may resort to this form of limited participation in order to avoid harm to himself as well as to the Muslim community of whom he is part and parcel. Without this (limited participation) the Muslim as well as the Muslim community may be accused of high treason. Such an accusation may pose a threat to the Muslim minority and this may also disrupt the course of da`wah that has been in full swing since tens of years ago, and has started to reap fruits.

Muslims, being part and parcel of the (American) society, should intermingle with the existing civilization but they are not allowed to dissolve culturally and forget about their religious identity. They shouldn’t behave in a way that makes fingers of accusations point at them to the extent that the society may consider them as fifth column.

Muslim individuals should not set their conscience at ease and refuse to participate in the war, if this will endanger the whole Muslim community. This is based on the juristic rule, which states that the lesser harm may be borne to prevent a greater harm, the private harm may be borne to prevent a general one and the right of the group takes precedence over that of the individual. Such juristic rulings are part of an important part of fiqh, which I call ‘Fiqh Al-Muwazanat’ or applying a juristic preference to strike a balance in order to weigh the pros and cons of a certain thing in view of an existing situation. Many Muslims lack this kind of fiqh nowadays. They should not consider the opinion of the general public who lack juristic preference to justify certain apparent situations allowing them to take precedence over the main objectives of the Shari`ah.

As we have stated above, if a Muslim is forced to participate in fighting, he should avoid direct confrontation as possible as he can. Even while participating in such a war, a Muslim should have an innate feeling of resentment, as it is the case of the true believer who has no means to rectify the abominable by his hands or his tongue, yet he expresses his disapproval by showing innate resentment, which is the least of faith.”

Striking a balance between greater harm and lesser one, considering the common weal and the attitude of the American Muslim soldier, Sheikh Faysal Mawlawi, vice chairman of the European council for Fatwa and research, states:

“There is no doubt that the American Muslim is between the devil and the deep blue sea and he is facing a difficult situation.

The difficulty of the situation, on the one hand, lies in being an American citizen who has to abide by the American laws and to support his country.

On the other hand, the American Muslim soldier is by and large a Muslim, who is required to abide by the ordinances of his religion (i.e. not to fight against his fellow Muslim brothers.)

Facing this ordeal, the American Muslim soldier has to strike a balance and to choose the lesser of the two evils. If he manages to shift from being indulged in a direct military confrontation against his fellow Muslim brothers; i.e. to carry out any other non-military act, then he is obliged to do so. As far as we know, American laws allow the American soldier to undertake such measures.

However, if the American Muslim soldier has no choice but to take part in a direct military actions against his fellow Muslim brothers, then he is considered overwhelmed beyond limit, and he will bear the responsibility of his choice both in this world and in the Hereafter.

As a basic rule in Islam, a Muslim is not allowed to fight against his fellow Muslim brother. This is also a stated fact in the Shari`ah. However, a Muslim is excused for not being able to carry out Allah’s Orders if he has no means to put them in effect. Referring to this fact, Allah Almighty says, “ So keep your duty to Allah as best ye can…” (At-Taghabun: 16

Read more: [link to www.islamonline.net]
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I would really like to know why a muslim would want to join the american military? money?



I have wondered that myself, money? education?...if you know it is going to end up going against your beliefs that are so strong at some point then why?

right? I just don't get it, but it makes sense for the money and free education and benefits.


here is one answer that I have found.


Wa`alaykum As-Salaamu Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear questioner, thank you very much for having confidence in us, and we hope our efforts, which are purely for Allah's Sake, meet your expectations.

American Muslims are, by and large, American citizens. They should be good citizens who air their views by directing the American government to how far the use of force is wrong and unacceptable. They should try to convince the American government to change the way it deals with the Muslim world, and to explain that the use of force exercised by both sides is responsible for all what’s happening.

Here, we would like to cite for you the opinion of the eminent Muslim scholar Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi regarding the Islamic ruling on Muslims fighting one another, and we will cite his viewpoint on the issue, while keeping in mind the condition of Muslim communities in the West as well as the concerted efforts of Muslim to help spread da`wah therein.

In this regard, Sheikh Al-Qaradawi, chairman of the European Council for Fatwa and Research, states the following:

“I would like here to stress the fact that Islam has prohibited a Muslim to fight his fellow Muslim brother to the extent that indulging in such a fight is considered a form of disbelief or kufr and a behavior pertaining to the pre-Islamic ignorance. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said: “Cursing the Muslim is lewdness and killing him is disbelief.”

He is also reported to have said: “Do not (become infidels) revert to disbelief after me by striking the necks (cutting the throats) of one another (killing each other).” (Reported by Al-Bukhari)

In another Hadith narrated by Al-Ahnaf, Ibn Qays (may Allah be pleased with him) quotes the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) as saying: “If two Muslims meet with their swords (attacking each other) then (both) the killer and the killed one are in the (Hell) Fire.' I (Al-Ahnaf Ibn Qays) said, 'O Allah's Messenger! It is all right for the killer, but what about the killed one?' He said, 'The killed one was eager to kill his opponent.’” (Reported by Al-Bukhari)

Even, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) has forbidden a Muslim to direct a weapon against his brother; he should not even try to joke with that.

Here, the question arises: what about a Muslim recruited in the army of a non-Muslim country that is at war with Muslims? Such helpless Muslim soldier has no choice but to yield to the orders of his army commanders and he has no right to say ‘No’ or ‘Why’? This is a well-known military system worldwide.

Such Muslim finds himself on the horns of a dilemma when his country and the army he joins tend to attack a Muslim country. What shall he do while he is no more than a small gear in a huge machine?

The opinion, which is more akin to the sound juristic view here, is that a Muslim shouldn’t indulge in a war against his fellow Muslim brothers, and he may justify his position by asking for a leave or (a temporary) exemption from the military as the true conscience of a Muslim dictates that he shouldn’t indulge in killing a fellow Muslim brother without a justifiable reason. However, if there is no way but to participate, then a Muslim can join the rear to help in military service (i.e. not to participate in face-to-face confrontation).

The Muslim soldier may resort to this form of limited participation in order to avoid harm to himself as well as to the Muslim community of whom he is part and parcel. Without this (limited participation) the Muslim as well as the Muslim community may be accused of high treason. Such an accusation may pose a threat to the Muslim minority and this may also disrupt the course of da`wah that has been in full swing since tens of years ago, and has started to reap fruits.

Muslims, being part and parcel of the (American) society, should intermingle with the existing civilization but they are not allowed to dissolve culturally and forget about their religious identity. They shouldn’t behave in a way that makes fingers of accusations point at them to the extent that the society may consider them as fifth column.

Muslim individuals should not set their conscience at ease and refuse to participate in the war, if this will endanger the whole Muslim community. This is based on the juristic rule, which states that the lesser harm may be borne to prevent a greater harm, the private harm may be borne to prevent a general one and the right of the group takes precedence over that of the individual. Such juristic rulings are part of an important part of fiqh, which I call ‘Fiqh Al-Muwazanat’ or applying a juristic preference to strike a balance in order to weigh the pros and cons of a certain thing in view of an existing situation. Many Muslims lack this kind of fiqh nowadays. They should not consider the opinion of the general public who lack juristic preference to justify certain apparent situations allowing them to take precedence over the main objectives of the Shari`ah.

As we have stated above, if a Muslim is forced to participate in fighting, he should avoid direct confrontation as possible as he can. Even while participating in such a war, a Muslim should have an innate feeling of resentment, as it is the case of the true believer who has no means to rectify the abominable by his hands or his tongue, yet he expresses his disapproval by showing innate resentment, which is the least of faith.”

Striking a balance between greater harm and lesser one, considering the common weal and the attitude of the American Muslim soldier, Sheikh Faysal Mawlawi, vice chairman of the European council for Fatwa and research, states:

“There is no doubt that the American Muslim is between the devil and the deep blue sea and he is facing a difficult situation.

The difficulty of the situation, on the one hand, lies in being an American citizen who has to abide by the American laws and to support his country.

On the other hand, the American Muslim soldier is by and large a Muslim, who is required to abide by the ordinances of his religion (i.e. not to fight against his fellow Muslim brothers.)

Facing this ordeal, the American Muslim soldier has to strike a balance and to choose the lesser of the two evils. If he manages to shift from being indulged in a direct military confrontation against his fellow Muslim brothers; i.e. to carry out any other non-military act, then he is obliged to do so. As far as we know, American laws allow the American soldier to undertake such measures.

However, if the American Muslim soldier has no choice but to take part in a direct military actions against his fellow Muslim brothers, then he is considered overwhelmed beyond limit, and he will bear the responsibility of his choice both in this world and in the Hereafter.

As a basic rule in Islam, a Muslim is not allowed to fight against his fellow Muslim brother. This is also a stated fact in the Shari`ah. However, a Muslim is excused for not being able to carry out Allah’s Orders if he has no means to put them in effect. Referring to this fact, Allah Almighty says, “ So keep your duty to Allah as best ye can…” (At-Taghabun: 16

Read more: [link to www.islamonline.net]
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Well that explains Shite and Sunni!
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Court martial this camel fucker before he pull the trigger.
And add to that he is Klawonn.
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