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For the TRUE Followers of Christ Our Messiah (Holiness)

 
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funny........my thread got strangely silent...... :)



Yes, it's been sabotaged.


I was talking to ZTE, and was telling him that it is weird that those vatican staunches will not hear...I believe it's more like they really "cannot" hear...a spiritual block (stronghold). Or, they are shills trying to dissuade anyone who is able to be diverted from the truth.

I personally think there is a little bit of each going on in your thread.

Truly......I wouldn't doubt if they have been handed over to the god they choose to serve. Well, He DOES give us what we ask for !
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What do you think of the one I was talking to...that absolutely refused to even type a word of scripture?

weird, no?
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funny........my thread got strangely silent...... :)



Yes, it's been sabotaged.


I was talking to ZTE, and was telling him that it is weird that those vatican staunches will not hear...I believe it's more like they really "cannot" hear...a spiritual block (stronghold). Or, they are shills trying to dissuade anyone who is able to be diverted from the truth.

I personally think there is a little bit of each going on in your thread.

Truly......I wouldn't doubt if they have been handed over to the god they choose to serve. Well, He DOES give us what we ask for !



What do you think of the one I was talking to...that absolutely refused to even type a word of scripture?

weird, no?
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Mary? # 929 ? or which, Angel Helper?
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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We say we know and believe that Jesus Christ, our one and only Lord and Savior, was wholly human during His earthly mission. We say we know and believe He was scourged to a bloody pulp - - - for us. We say we know and believe He took every single sin we would ever commit to the cross with Him. We say we know and believe He died - - - for us. So, why do we keep living the lives we do?!?!?
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Because believing is not knowing.
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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she's crazy that's for sure. As lost as I have ever seen......
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Genesis 2

1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.




Exodus 20

10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.



Exodus 31


12And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

13Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

14Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

15Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

16Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

17It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
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We say we know and believe that Jesus Christ, our one and only Lord and Savior, was wholly human during His earthly mission. We say we know and believe He was scourged to a bloody pulp - - - for us. We say we know and believe He took every single sin we would ever commit to the cross with Him. We say we know and believe He died - - - for us. So, why do we keep living the lives we do?!?!?

Because believing is not knowing.
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To believe, one must know.
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Peace and respect to all you followers.

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Peace and respect to all you followers.

hf
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Peace and respect to you as well unknown.


May Adonai bless you and draw ever nearer.



hf
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We say we know and believe that Jesus Christ, our one and only Lord and Savior, was wholly human during His earthly mission. We say we know and believe He was scourged to a bloody pulp - - - for us. We say we know and believe He took every single sin we would ever commit to the cross with Him. We say we know and believe He died - - - for us. So, why do we keep living the lives we do?!?!?

Because believing is not knowing.



To believe, one must know.
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Oops - - - forgot to type my user name. Not that it matters I guess.
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We say we know and believe that Jesus Christ, our one and only Lord and Savior, was wholly human during His earthly mission. We say we know and believe He was scourged to a bloody pulp - - - for us. We say we know and believe He took every single sin we would ever commit to the cross with Him. We say we know and believe He died - - - for us. So, why do we keep living the lives we do?!?!?

Because believing is not knowing.



To believe, one must know.



Oops - - - forgot to type my user name. Not that it matters I guess.
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Thank you CeeJay.

I have always "known," but not always "believed."


So I would agree with you...But, we are all born "Knowing."



hf
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We say we know and believe that Jesus Christ, our one and only Lord and Savior, was wholly human during His earthly mission. We say we know and believe He was scourged to a bloody pulp - - - for us. We say we know and believe He took every single sin we would ever commit to the cross with Him. We say we know and believe He died - - - for us. So, why do we keep living the lives we do?!?!?

Because believing is not knowing.



To believe, one must know.



Oops - - - forgot to type my user name. Not that it matters I guess.



Thank you CeeJay.

I have always "known," but not always "believed."


So I would agree with you...But, we are all born "Knowing."



hf
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You're welcome (did I say more than I realize?)!!

And we are all born with a bit of His Holy Spirit in us, so I assume that's what you mean by being born "knowing." That could be why I say I've always believed but didn't really know why. Until the day, just a little over 10 years ago, God Himself gave me my first Bible lesson. I have no human words to describe the experience so won't even attempt to describe it. So now I know Him and believe.

And I'm so, so glad you now believe!
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We say we know and believe that Jesus Christ, our one and only Lord and Savior, was wholly human during His earthly mission. We say we know and believe He was scourged to a bloody pulp - - - for us. We say we know and believe He took every single sin we would ever commit to the cross with Him. We say we know and believe He died - - - for us. So, why do we keep living the lives we do?!?!?

Because believing is not knowing.



To believe, one must know.



Oops - - - forgot to type my user name. Not that it matters I guess.



Thank you CeeJay.

I have always "known," but not always "believed."


So I would agree with you...But, we are all born "Knowing."



hf



You're welcome (did I say more than I realize?)!!

And we are all born with a bit of His Holy Spirit in us, so I assume that's what you mean by being born "knowing." That could be why I say I've always believed but didn't really know why. Until the day, just a little over 10 years ago, God Himself gave me my first Bible lesson. I have no human words to describe the experience so won't even attempt to describe it. So now I know Him and believe.

And I'm so, so glad you now believe!

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I believe you did.


And I am glad too...Praise Our Father in Heaven! The Truth is indeed liberating. I pray for all to find it.


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I also pray that all find it. I pity those who don't. Little do they realize who's influence they're under.

"To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen." Jude 25
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"To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen." Jude 25
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hf
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James 1

21Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

22But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

23For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

24For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

25But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

26If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

27Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.





James 2

14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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Blessings to you OP - I will listen to this sometime tonight.

Thx !!
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Revelation 14

1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

5And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

6And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

8And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

14And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

20And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
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Wow that was awesome and very enlightening - Thx again OP !!!

I am a victim of the flesh, and all that this brother in Christ says is spot on in Truth !!

I feel that at one time I was stronger in the Lord when I was first saved, but now feel I have somewhat fallen away, lately things of the flesh like women and money seem to be taking over my soul in a sense that I am always concerned about them and it has taken some of my Concentration away from the Lord.

I still feel the Lord is with me but there are days I struggle to hold on, but I know deep down I can never be removed from the Lords hand by anything and that keeps me holding on because I know evil will not prevail.

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

As this guy says and is absolutly correct, the more we head into the light the more we Hate the darkness!!

I have seen falling away happen to others, I know all about it and have experienced it first hand myself but still for some reason every once in awhile I step away from the light of Christ to just be in the enticing things of this world.
The devil is crafty and I know like ST. Peter I also can be sifted like wheat by it, and only by the power and workings of God can we be save from it.

Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat.

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Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

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Romans 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

This tells me also that these things will happen but we must strive harded to be Holy do to the cravings of the flesh that are sometimes hard to control.

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So God bless you for this post OP because it helps me and I am sure others to strengthen the faith.

Pray for me Brother!!

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As far as the Pulpit is concerned I agree with that also - everything has to be PC now adays so not to offened anyone and I have fought with priest about these things myself, but most seam frightened to do the true will of the Lord and preach the true word of God right from the words of Bible at the pulpit - its watered down preaching more and more everyday and that is why the church is struggling to strengten people in the Lord and keep people going to Church to worship Jesus.


It says it all Here:

Hebrews 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins.

I hope People cont. to keep posting here because it serves as a beacon of light in the darkness of this world!

Thx again OP and God Bless!
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So God bless you for this post OP because it helps me and I am sure others to strengthen the faith.

Pray for me Brother!!


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Praise Adonai!

Prayers for you...


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We say we know and believe that Jesus Christ, our one and only Lord and Savior, was wholly human during His earthly mission. We say we know and believe He was scourged to a bloody pulp - - - for us. We say we know and believe He took every single sin we would ever commit to the cross with Him. We say we know and believe He died - - - for us. So, why do we keep living the lives we do?!?!?

Because believing is not knowing.



To believe, one must know.
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Belief is what you think to be true, faith is what you know to be true and in faith, belief is lost, but this is not the end. Because knowing is not Being, and so the third step, fruition, eclipses even faith for you no longer know the truth as something else, you are It.


This is the functional difference between belief and faith. Faith is unshakable by the nature of experience.

Most of what is written about faith in religious books miss the mark because the word itself is not understood. In modern English “faith” means believing in something for which there is no substantial proof. But the Greek word pistis, used in the New Testament, means stability in personal knowledge drawn from one’s own experience. It also means to be loyal to that knowledge by living in accordance with it. Pistis also means to be confident in our experiential knowledge. Faith cannot be “awakened” in a person by reading books, listening to discourses, or engaging in discussions. It comes only from within, from his own self. Saint Paul underlined this when he wrote that “faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”2 Note that he says substance and evidence. Faith is not an insubstantial idea. This is no matter of mere intellectual acceptance or emotional hope. Faith is proof that a person has experienced the reality of something; it is not a mere conviction based on reason or feeling.
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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I also pray that all find it. I pity those who don't. Little do they realize who's influence they're under.

"To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen." Jude 25
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There is non other than God, the satans (adversaries) do His bidding. They are reflections of our own potential manifested so that we may choose them not.


1 Cor3:13-15

But on the judgment day, fire will reveal what kind of work each builder has done. The fire will show if a person's work has any value.

Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw—


But if the work is burned up, the builder will suffer great loss. The builder will be saved, but like someone barely escaping through a wall of flames.
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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Amen..

Great Message...


May we all head twoards that Narrow Gate that leads to rightoueness and everlastng life....
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Holiness is the protocol for bilateral communication with the most high...

our sin clouds things..
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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shabsha


Just found this thread! Will give the audio in the opening post a listen.
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