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For the TRUE Followers of Christ Our Messiah (Holiness)

 
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If God told you to kill me, would you do it?

Don't qualify the question in anyway, just answer it please


Why do you think you get to make all the rules and tell me how to answer a question? You ask such a ridiculous question, then tell me what not to do...you tell me how not to answer it?

Go away...go troll one of the countless other threads that are the cesspools of immature religious debate.

We don't want that here. And we don't want your folly.

Funny how you won't answer it....



Funny that you would ask it...


see how that goes?

So when the question is not on your terms, its folly? I'm a troll?
 Quoting: Zazzummin


You set up "terms' when you asked me a question, then proceeded to tell me how not to answer it. So that makes you a hypocrite. And...you are trying to derail this thread...which, yes..makes you a troll. And yes, what you are engaging in is folly...plain and simply.

This thread is not here to debate the existence of God or lack thereof. This thread is for "The TRUE followers of Christ Our Messiah," as the title clearly indicates...so "why" are "you" here? you are obviously not a true follower. That logically concludes that you are here to bring dissension and stir up trouble.

I am not answering your obviously loaded question. and I don't owe you any further explanation, as to why I will not. But for the heck of it, I'm not exactly sure how to answer your question I hadn't really thought about it, because it isn't worth thinking about really. Also, because I am not perfect, and I don't have the answer to every question that comes down the pike. Happy?

But I do have the gift discernment (Praise to Adonai)...and you are not of the truth...there is no truth in you. I know the difference between someone who is seeking, and someone who is obviously NOT. You have nothing I want, so I have no further reason to associate with you.

Please go away? last request.

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Did I touch a nerve?
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Did I touch a nerve?
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Did I touch the ban button?

God did not ask me to kill you. If He ever does (which He will not), I will deal with that issue then. It's not an issue to me now.

Later...
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"The Ban Button"?
What a little control freak you are Toy!!!
Preposterousness is part of the GLP tradition, but I find your premises more objectionable...


There is no aspect of "the pineal gland" either that comes into play with having Relationship With God The Father, but nothing from you on that bit. No, there is nothing Of-HIM in organized religion, but Believers and Faithful will find their way.

Over the years it has been my observation that only 2 kinds of Christians ever manifest their hearts Unto The Father; the PureHeart and the sinner. The in-betweens who pursue "study" or "WWJD" or "holiness" are too mired in self to really want HIM, need HIM with all their heart...

But having no witness, you cannot understand TV; you've never surrendered, have you?

The PureHeart Loves HIM so much and yearns, prays so resolvedly to Know God better/more that finally in their frustration for it not having happened according to their efforts, the PH finally capitulates and Seeks HIM with no conditions and withholds nothing of-self and just surrenders completely.

The sinner finds him/herself at that point where God is all that remains to them for solution in life and they surrender because they decide there can be no other way for them...

Doesn't matter the motivation, and the PH thinks he/she is the gravest of sinners... All that matters is that surrender is made. Trusting God Completely and telling HIM so.

I guess TV erased my little 5 steps to giving your life to God outline. ACKNOWLEDGE JESUS, ADMIT & REPENT, CLAIM GRACE & MERCY, GIVE God YOUR LIFE, ASK FOR HIS HOLY SPIRIT...

Just an outline, surrender as your heart guides you, can't do it wrong... No wrong way to Trust YahWeh, Father, Elohim completely...


"Holiness" cannot be your goal. Can't really have any "goals" other than manifesting your decision to Trust God Fully With your life. Other goals will disqualify you. Such is why only the PH and sinner ever really come forth. All the studiers and religious hacks only want what they desire from HIM. Not the hallmark of Trust...

Trusting God Fully allows HIM To Manifest HIS Will for you fully in your life, and HIS Will for you is hugely better than what you could imagine ever desiring.

But can you Trust HIM Completely and be honest about your self?
 Quoting: Lester



You know Lester, you are a vicious devicive person who speaks blasphemies...and personally attacks people with vileness and profanity. YOu speak some truth, but your fruits expose you for what you are. You are not a peaceful, loving person in any sense, therefor, I you show what you are rooted in.

you too, later.

yes, I hit that ban button again.
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Here you go Lester:

I guess TV erased my little 5 steps to giving your life to God outline.

ACKNOWLEDGE JESUS, ADMIT & REPENT, CLAIM GRACE & MERCY, GIVE God YOUR LIFE, ASK FOR HIS HOLY SPIRIT...

That is from Lester, who in the same post, called me lots of F words.

I agree with this Lester, but being side by side with the profanity...it accidentally got deleted. Sorry.


Oh, and I just went and looked at some of Lester's other posts...and it took about 10 seconds to verify what I thought. Someone truly of the Holy Spirit doesn't put everyone down Lester.

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True Believers, we do not have to tolerate vileness. They enemy will try to make us believe that we have to accept him, and that if we don't, we are un-godly for shunning him. This couldn't be further from the truth. In the Master's words:

Matthew 10

1And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

2Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;

3Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;

4Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

7And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

9Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

10Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

11And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.

12And when ye come into an house, salute it.

13And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

14And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

15Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

16Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

17But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

21And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

24The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.

25It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

26Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

27What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

29Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

30But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

31Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.

32Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

38And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

39He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

40He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

41He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.

42And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.


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Freedom from the evil world system is a simple matter.

Please listen to the audio file at the link provided here.
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I have listened to it a few times now...and it shakes me to the core every time...very powerful.

Let The True Believers, make this thread a light unto GLP.

Alright, I must now, unfortunately, make this stance. If you are here to troll, cause dissension, or make a disgusting mockery of my Father in Heaven, I will delete the post. If you continue, I will ban you from posting here. Sorry to be this way. I am trying to maintain a thread where anyone can come and praise, learn, and have productive discourse. There is a difference between questioning and disagreeing, and filthy ridiculous sabotage. So if your intentions are rotten, please don't waste your time.






HOLINESS!


Set yourself apart from the world...why?


Because your Father asked you to.



Leviticus 11:44



44For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.



Leviticus 11:45


45For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.


Leviticus 19:2



2Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy.


Leviticus 20:7


7Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.


1 Peter 1:16

16Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
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This thread is not to debate...it is for the TRUE BELIEVERS in Christ. There is plenty of bickery about christianiy on this site...this is not the thread for that.


So, Bretheren, don't feed the trolls. They always try to pollute these threads with folly...don't bite.
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True believers do as Jesus said.....
If you truly believed....you would live as HE said.

Jesus had nothing to do with those who went to "church" and HE said to come out of her and be separate.....is that what you do OP?
Do you go in your closet an pray as HE instructed or do you go to a church?
Jesus hung around with the "sinners" as those who proclaimed were hypocrites.
Jesus said the KINGDOM of GOD is within you....do you meditate as HE instructed us to?
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True believers do as Jesus said.....
If you truly believed....you would live as HE said.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1085009


Jesus had nothing to do with those who went to "church" and HE said to come out of her and be separate.....is that what you do OP?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1085009


I do not attend a church as you would define it. I have a very small group that I study scripture with at home. I have come out of the pagan Christian church...yes.



When he came to Nazareth, where he
had been brought up, he went to the
synagogue on the sabbath day, as was
his custom. (Luke 4:16)

Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching
in their synagogues and proclaiming the
good news of the kingdom and curing
every disease and every sickness among
the people. (Matthew 4:23)



I would say that your claim that He "had nothing to do with church." is incorrect.


Do you go in your closet an pray as HE instructed
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1085009


yes


Jesus hung around with the "sinners" as those who proclaimed were hypocrites.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1085009


We are all sinners, so how could he hang out with anyone else? what is your point?

Jesus said the KINGDOM of GOD is within you....do you meditate as HE instructed us to?
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Scripture please..I will address this when I have some context. I meditate on God's word all day long.

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2 Corinthians 6:

14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
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Bless you OP, in YAHshua/Jesus name, pray for me please, holiness is a daily struggle in this world, but He is near, soon we will be forever holy and clean with/in Him , amen
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jesus hanged with the sinners not to sin but to influence their ways and show them there choices. simple as tht.

i send my love and joy to those tht praise our loud YWHW.
i send love to the kind creator as in return i shall receive his presence. amen

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jesus hanged with the sinners not to sin but to influence their ways and show them there choices. simple as tht.

i send my love and joy to those tht praise our loud YWHW.
i send love to the kind creator as in return i shall receive his presence. amen
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Love is the light.
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2 Corinthians 4

1Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;

2But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

5For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

6For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

7But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

8We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;

9Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;

10Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

11For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

12So then death worketh in us, but life in you.

13We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

14Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.

15For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.

16For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

17For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

18While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


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Well, we would need a Torah Court of Law (in which there is none in existance today) and two witnesses in order to enforce this Levitical Law and execute it's sentence...So, we may not stone anyone. You go right ahead. I'll follow my Fathers law.

You will need a false Christian who doesn't know his scripture in order to trap them into your game my friend. ;)


So why did you post mostly from the Old Testament? Most Christians have never been to Egypt, and haven't been rescued from Egypt by God.
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I have...I was a slave to drugs for 12 years. God began to set me free 4 1/2 years ago. I've been totally clean almost 3 years now. Thank you Daddy!
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Well, we would need a Torah Court of Law (in which there is none in existance today) and two witnesses in order to enforce this Levitical Law and execute it's sentence...So, we may not stone anyone. You go right ahead. I'll follow my Fathers law.

You will need a false Christian who doesn't know his scripture in order to trap them into your game my friend. ;)


So why did you post mostly from the Old Testament? Most Christians have never been to Egypt, and haven't been rescued from Egypt by God.


I have...I was a slave to drugs for 12 years. God began to set me free 4 1/2 years ago. I've been totally clean almost 3 years now. Thank you Daddy!
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Thank Him indeed. Thanks AC...May God continue to bless you.




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Haven't listened yet, but thanks for the thread.....it's much needed !!
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I am listening now.....it's powerful, that is for sure. I disagree though that being without pure holiness = eternal damnation. I do not agree with that. I agree that pure holiness grants entrance to the Kingdom and a position of authority therein, but you can be saved and not be granted entrance to the Kingdom. Also keep in mind that ALL will be reconviled to Yeshua in the end.

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I am listening now.....it's powerful, that is for sure. I disagree though that being without pure holiness = eternal damnation. I do not agree with that. I agree that pure holiness grants entrance to the Kingdom and a position of authority therein, but you can be saved and not be granted entrance to the Kingdom. Also keep in mind that ALL will be reconviled to Yeshua in the end.
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I completely understand. I don't think I ever hear anything from any person, that isn't flawed in some way...that is our nature...flawed. Only Yeshua can claim perfection.

But, I still find that sermon 'extremely' important to those of us who claim that of God's elect, and 98% on target.

Thank you.

Blessed Be Our Father in Heaven.
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Holiness doesn't attract much attention.
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Only God can give holiness,we are spiritually dead and in need of salvation.

May 21 2011 is the first day of judgment for nearly 7 billion people,it is also the day of redemption for his elect.

So, declares the word of God
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Holiness doesn't attract much attention.


Only God can give holiness,we are spiritually dead and in need of salvation.

May 21 2011 is the first day of judgment for nearly 7 billion people,it is also the day of redemption for his elect.

So, declares the word of God
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Really? May 21, 2011?
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Holiness doesn't attract much attention.


Only God can give holiness,we are spiritually dead and in need of salvation.

May 21 2011 is the first day of judgment for nearly 7 billion people,it is also the day of redemption for his elect.

So, declares the word of God

Really? May 21, 2011?
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Really? May 21, 2011?
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I was sort of banking on it being an anniversary of a passover where the Angel of death sweeps the land past all horizons. Up to the point of being on my feet with a full belly when the clock strikes 12 local time lol.
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Really? May 21, 2011?

I was sort of banking on it being an anniversary of a passover where the Angel of death sweeps the land past all horizons. Up to the point of being on my feet with a full belly when the clock strikes 12 local time lol.
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This is why you are part of the 7 billion,God will not be mock.. cry out for mercy!
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Holiness doesn't attract much attention.


Only God can give holiness,we are spiritually dead and in need of salvation.

May 21 2011 is the first day of judgment for nearly 7 billion people,it is also the day of redemption for his elect.

So, declares the word of God

Really? May 21, 2011?



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Forum:time & judgment may 21 2011
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052454


what happened to "no one can know the day" ?
Love is like light. It is never constrained to its source; it shines on everything and tends to spread spontaneously, unless we block it! ~ Cosmic Swami

Love is a one-way street.





GLP