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UVB-76 - Important message in 16 days.

 
Anonymous Coward
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09/25/2010 05:27 PM
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Thats a couple of days old now. I dont expect much more information to be released. To much press
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Very likely, considering he was invited to DC:
Stuxnet logbook, Sep 19 2010, 1430 hours MESZ

Please understand that the German office will not be able to answer interview requests. Ralph about to board plane to DC soon, rest of the crew is busy feeding ICS-CERT with relevant information.

That was before he posted the rest, so i take it with a grain of salt.
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Down... The... Rabbit... Hole...
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09/25/2010 05:28 PM
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Stuxnet is what will lead America to go at war against China.

It's just starting, actually, it started in 2008. The economic "crisis" was the first attack.

Down the rabbit hole my fellow American friends.
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Man, you start to worry me more than i like it...
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09/25/2010 05:29 PM
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Russia is probavly embarassed. Their missle defense has been defeated and now this.

She is not what she use to be. Major brain-share has been lost to other countries.
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hugs and kisses to you comrade we receive you with open arms
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Thats a couple of days old now. I dont expect much more information to be released. To much press

Very likely, considering he was invited to DC:
Stuxnet logbook, Sep 19 2010, 1430 hours MESZ

Please understand that the German office will not be able to answer interview requests. Ralph about to board plane to DC soon, rest of the crew is busy feeding ICS-CERT with relevant information.

That was before he posted the rest, so i take it with a grain of salt.
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Their independent analysis was/is great.
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Russia is probavly embarassed. Their missle defense has been defeated and now this.

She is not what she use to be. Major brain-share has been lost to other countries.
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Same can be said about US. US missile shield? lmao
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09/25/2010 05:31 PM
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Haven't your read the headlines this year?

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]

[link to www.foxnews.com]

There's a million articles out there.

And now this:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Coincidence?

Iran is nothing, it's a sand box. Keyword: Proxy War.

Keep an eye on the big picture, stay focused.
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09/25/2010 05:32 PM
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Their independent analysis was/is great.
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Indeed, it´s an amazing read. However, it´s wise to take it with a grain of salt i think, as he may be blackmailed by CIA etc..
Stuxnet comes from US, OP? I think so.
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Russia is probavly embarassed. Their missle defense has been defeated and now this.

She is not what she use to be. Major brain-share has been lost to other countries.
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You obviously never read Sun Tzu - The Art of War.
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09/25/2010 05:34 PM
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Their independent analysis was/is great.

Indeed, it´s an amazing read. However, it´s wise to take it with a grain of salt i think, as he may be blackmailed by CIA etc..
Stuxnet comes from US, OP? I think so.
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It comes from Russia.
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09/25/2010 05:36 PM
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You obviously never read Sun Tzu - The Art of War.
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I didn´t either,i think it was the book by a chinese general saying:
"Know your enemy and you´ll always defeat him"
or something along those lines?
Still true after thousands of years.
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Russia is probavly embarassed. Their missle defense has been defeated and now this.

She is not what she use to be. Major brain-share has been lost to other countries.

Same can be said about US. US missile shield? lmao
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Could be, but according to the russian feseration here at GLP it doesnt matter because we can take down any system with our haxoring.

I am not convinced it was israel or the US. Why wouldn't the chinese want this? What better way to keep old foes fighting and convince the russians or iranians they need china expertise and weapons...for a price obviously..
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Their independent analysis was/is great.

Indeed, it´s an amazing read. However, it´s wise to take it with a grain of salt i think, as he may be blackmailed by CIA etc..
Stuxnet comes from US, OP? I think so.


It comes from Russia.
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Now i am surprised. Want to get rid of Ahmadinejad? You don´t like him, as you said above. :tongue:
Makes sense though, but why not openly discussing it? "The" world would appreciate it i guess. But why did "you" deliver nuclear stuff to Iran in the first place?
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09/25/2010 05:39 PM
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Their independent analysis was/is great.

Indeed, it´s an amazing read. However, it´s wise to take it with a grain of salt i think, as he may be blackmailed by CIA etc..
Stuxnet comes from US, OP? I think so.
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Could be however why release the information after it has been quiet for so long?

Why did this root kit need to make it to main stream?was it to brag? To warn? To pressure?
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Their independent analysis was/is great.

Indeed, it´s an amazing read. However, it´s wise to take it with a grain of salt i think, as he may be blackmailed by CIA etc..
Stuxnet comes from US, OP? I think so.


It comes from Russia.

Now i am surprised. Want to get rid of Ahmadinejad? You don´t like him, as you said above. :tongue:
Makes sense though, but why not openly discussing it? "The" world would appreciate it i guess. But why did "you" deliver nuclear stuff to Iran in the first place?
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Do you play chess?
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09/25/2010 05:40 PM
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But why did "you" deliver nuclear stuff to Iran in the first place?
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Now i think about it, same could be asked about Germany (Siemens). Hmmm...
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09/25/2010 05:42 PM
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We are not happy with Stuxnet. Very very unhappy.


We're not happy you have been helping the iranians


The Iranian people are great and honorable people. Their government is evil. Us, Russians, can tell the difference, and we hope you American can learn as well. Maybe one day you will.

We hate Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but we love the Iranian people. And so you should as well.
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Do you love the American people, and just hate the American government? I love Russians, even though I am American. My sons best friends last name is Martyshenka. I practically raised him as my own son in Alaska.
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09/25/2010 05:43 PM
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Do you play chess?
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Badly, since i´m not a very logical thinking person. Better than the average guy though i guess.
Is the target to keep your "enemies" occupated with that stuff? Or maybe play them out against eachother, e.g. Iran thinking it came from US, US thinking it came from Russia etc.?

As i said, i´m a bad chess player. lol
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09/25/2010 05:45 PM
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US thinking it came from China, i meant.
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We are not happy with Stuxnet. Very very unhappy.


We're not happy you have been helping the iranians


The Iranian people are great and honorable people. Their government is evil. Us, Russians, can tell the difference, and we hope you American can learn as well. Maybe one day you will.

We hate Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but we love the Iranian people. And so you should as well.


Do you love the American people, and just hate the American government? I love Russians, even though I am American. My sons best friends last name is Martyshenka. I practically raised him as my own son in Alaska.
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in fact, I once had a vision of a paradise, and my best friends were Russian women.
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09/25/2010 05:45 PM
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Thank you for the heads up my Russian friend

Dosvidanya
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09/25/2010 05:46 PM
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This is what I wrote in 2008, at the very beginning of the crisis:

I am still trying to figure out the global outcome of this crisis, and I am glad to see that I am not entirely crazy (some might argue on this point, I have to admit)… Since some of my apprehensions are becoming reality. At least the media are starting to catch up on these issues.

For a while, I’ve been speaking about the possibility of the following scenario: What if the current (engineered ?) financial crisis was aimed at China ?

What if what we were witnessing right now was just a gigantic planned domino effect in order to slow down the development of the Dragon (China)?

The current popular reasoning is that China will be able to avoid the economic turmoil, mainly because of domestic consumption. This makes no sense.

Where are the numbers and studies to support these claims ? Is there anybody here that can point me to solid data about this (honest request) ?

China’s GDP is a big fat lie (in the same line as mostly anything “official” in this country), and this since the opening reform of the country.

So can anyone explain me how we are supposed to draw rational conclusions based on these loquacious calculations ?

Here’s a study made by Carsten Holz. His main focus is on the Mainland economy with “Chinese characteristics”… (BTW, am I the only here that whenever I hear the words “Chinese characteristic” it instantly equals to me as: “the following could / has been heavily manipulated in order to fit in a certain predefined Chinese vision of the world = BS ?).

[link to repository.ust.hk]

I don’t expect anybody to read this lengthy piece, so I’ll just give the outlines:

“China’s National Bureau of Statistics has on repeated occasions explained in great detail how its GDP statistics are derived from underlying data. Based on these explanations, this article reconstructs Chinese official household consumption, which accounts for half of GDP. The findings are condemning. Not only do the various official explanations offered between 1997 and 2001 differ from each other, but none allows the researcher to accurately reconstruct household consumption. The relationship between the GDP component household consumption and the underlying data, furthermore, varies from year to year, which suggests that time series comparisons of Chinese GDP may be invalid.”

Some key quotes (worth reading in its entirety if you have time)

“Third, time series comparisons of the consumption data with the underlying data reveal roller-coaster relationships that stretch credulity.”

“Two clearly identifiable effects are a tendency of official GDP to underestimate actual GDP throughout all years until 1994, and to overestimate GDP growth between 1994 and 1995.”

“That households routinely consume one-quarter to one-third more consumer goods, in terms of value, than they report, especially in the rural case, is also not plausible (questioning the level of NIA commodity consumption).”

The last extract brings me to one point: The internal consumption is overrated and takes into account the global population. But the actual projected ratio of distribution is ridiculous.

Why ? because in the event of an economical crisis in China, the rural sector contribution to the GDP will be next to nothing. The people that are loosing their job right now (thousand of factories shutting down as we speak in Guangdong - other regions to follow soon) are the first on the line of fire. These people’s power of consumption is already not much, and it will become almost zero.

So that would leave the urban regions: The stock market has been crumbling since the last 1-2 years (from a 6000 peak to now what ? 1800 ?), house prices and real estate market are going down the drain (40% in certain areas). This is also a clear sign that people are cautious and cutting on expenses.

So my question is: Where will this magical internal consumption comes from in the event of a major crisis here ?

Do you think that the new measure giving the ability to the farmer to rent and transfer their land is a coincidence ? Of course it’s not. It’s a direct answer to the fear of what is coming next. In addition to distributing evenly the wealth in the country, they hope it will help to put a plaster on the job losses. So it’s a very good timing for them.

I think that all the elements are now coming together for the perfect storm. As stated in some other articles, the power and the support of the people to the CCP comes mainly from the economical miracle that they generated. But what will happen once it’s not true anymore ? High unemployment rate leads inevitably to social unrest (it’s already starting in some regions).

So in my opinion this is a double direct strike from the US to China: And impending economic blow and a direct influence on the social stability of the country.

If the US alone acted with their single power, it would not be enough to make a difference (20% export). But couple that with a worldwide crisis (i.e. Export market demand slowing down globally and not just from the US). And then it can become a real threat to China’s grow.

These links are a courtesy of China Herald: [link to www.chinaherald.net]

[link to www.ibankcoin.com]

“This financial crisis in America is going to kill us. It’s already taking food out of our mouths,” the 42-year-old laborer said Friday as he stood outside the shuttered Smart Union Group (Holdings) Ltd. factory in the southern city of Dongguan.

[link to abcnews.go.com]

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

[link to www.npr.org]

[link to www.ft.com]

I would really not be surprised to see some article about what I envision soon. Maybe not also. I tried to search about this but could not find anything in the media yet about this concept.

I am not an expert or even an economist. So please feel free to debunk what I say. I would actually be very happy to hear some professionals on this.

Also, please take into consideration that English is not my mother language, I know, I sound like a 14 years old boy writing an essay.

Finally…

Food for thought:

[link to chinaredux.com]

[link to www.pbs.org]

“There are three additional aspects to this objective: First the U.S must show the leadership necessary to establish and protect a new order that holds the promise of convincing potential competitors that they need not aspire to a greater role or pursue a more aggressive posture to protect their legitimate interests.

Second, in the non-defense areas, we must account sufficiently for the interests of the advanced industrial nations to discourage them from challenging our leadership or seeking to overturn the established political and economic order. Finally, we must maintain the mechanisms for deterring potential competitors from even aspiring to a larger regional or global role.”

Nothing is happening in this world due to pure coincidences. Only fools would think this way.

This "crisis" is an economical atomic bomb, destined to blow up China.

Mark my words.
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I just noticed that some of the links from my original essay have been replaced with phony websites.

[link to chinaredux.com]

Is not valid anymore. I apologize for that, but I'm not surprised as well. Suppression of information is common nowadays.
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This "crisis" is an economical atomic bomb, destined to blow up China.

Mark my words.
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I will, thanks for quoting this, awesome read. You might be right.
What´s your take on the recent Japan/China crisis? Distraction? Or a planned event?
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It;s a chess game people. And you have to plan your moves 3-4 times in advance.

Do not pay too much attention to the front pages, just take them as lead to what is behind. There is much more going on, behind these headlines.
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I´ll think of it.

Thanks for your time, it was a cool discussion, rare these days here. Need to go now, my dog needs some time.
Hope this thread will be still alive when i come back.

People, discuss with the OP, he knows what he´s talking about obviously.
hf
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09/25/2010 06:05 PM
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This "crisis" is an economical atomic bomb, destined to blow up China.

Mark my words.

I will, thanks for quoting this, awesome read. You might be right.
What´s your take on the recent Japan/China crisis? Distraction? Or a planned event?
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I don't think it will escalate into anything significant. This is just China stumping its chest once again. Japan has too much to lose in such a conflict.

But, it's just one more piece of the puzzle. You have to take into account everything that's going on right now, on a worldwide scale. Including what Castro said recently about their failed system, and "mysteriously" refuted a couple of days after his statement.

If all this didn't involve death and suffering, and misery, it would be an hilarious comedy. The comedy of life and our reality and the clowns leading/governing us.
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I´ll think of it.

Thanks for your time, it was a cool discussion, rare these days here. Need to go now, my dog needs some time.
Hope this thread will be still alive when i come back.

People, discuss with the OP, he knows what he´s talking about obviously.
hf
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I thank you, for taking the time to listen to me.

Have a nice day.
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09/25/2010 06:23 PM
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Their independent analysis was/is great.

Indeed, it´s an amazing read. However, it´s wise to take it with a grain of salt i think, as he may be blackmailed by CIA etc..
Stuxnet comes from US, OP? I think so.


It comes from Russia.
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We are not happy with Stuxnet. Very very unhappy.

Isn't this mutually exclusive?

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