Woe Unto You, Hebrews 12 Bastards!

Is that really necessary? I mean, they aren't eating babies or anything, right?

Lester, you'll always be my #1. The top of the heap. The gold standard by which all other wackos are judged.


I am really sorry that the world has not come to an end yet, as you have hoped and prayed. Maybe it's finally time to switch out those beans in your cave, or in your bunker, or in your spider hole.


Although I'm sure the ammo stockpile is still good. You must really keep that in check and up to snuff.....ooooohhh...I made a funny....so how many people do you fantasize killing when "armageddon" arrives?


It must make you moist thinking about it.


Do you also plan on eating the people you shoot? Have any recipes you'd care to share, Hannibal Lester?


Ohhh !!! Another funny !!!


You know, I've put you in my Fave 5 list for the next life. I want to be your personal chauffeur and drive you around the universe looking for Jesus. I'm betting you never give up. If you did, you wouldn't be Lester.


I just hope the price of gas doesn't bankrupt us.

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Love the profanity-laced evangelical Bible lesson.

Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously?

I love Christians

I wanna meet the people who are voting for this thread. And then hide from them.

Bastards are always prompt to defend their rationalizations, but offer no witness or comment relevant to matters of God.

Woe is a rather deep feeling of despair and depression.
Things won't be as you expected or counted on...


Ol' Lester ain't practicing marksmanship very often. God Led us to an "out of the line of fire" locale and we bless HIM for that and all else.

Guns and gear/provision preparations were Put Upon my heart By God, and HE Enabled us to acquire what we needed and prefer. Been shooting all my life, a decent shot; it ain't my life or anything that I am driven to improve. Yet, as we are In-HIS Accord, we took action after prayer. Actually sold most of my gun gear a year or two after I was Born-Again, not Led to, just lost interest in them.

What does matter to me, and what Transformed my life was surrender Unto The Father. Knowing HIM is what I have experienced and Know. The moment I dropped to my knees and gave HIM my life and will, I Knew that I was In-HIS Presence...

Anyone else who Loves God and can Trust HIM Completely can also take action and ask HIM to receive their offering of their life and will...

Yet, most object to taking action, and those who witness to do so.

The most strident Christians cannot embrace Ezekiel 36:27
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


Why can't these Hebrews 12 Bastards accept the capital W Witness that God Gives us above?

Because HIS Witness defies what they expect and desire.

It is their carnal-heart that makes them deny The Witness that God Has Given out in the open.

Jesus says in Matt 13:14 that seeing they do not see, hearing they do not hear.... The Hebrews 12 pukes hold themselves apart from God because God is not doing it their way...

Don't want to muck up your thread, old boy...but I'm sure it's going to take off as your posts always do.....(many wackos lurking about)...but I just gotta say...over the past 5 years...whenever I see you post (and lately you seem to take many months off between posts. No WiFi in your cave?) all I think to myself is the huge task for your spirit guides (after you matriculate over to the other side) to get your head dislodged from your bum....cleaned out...and deprogrammed....it could take eons....


Lester, buddy, you are digging a hole for yourself like no one ever has....

What witness can you offer as basis for your concluding statement above? Not that we've ever interacted; but more to the point: What is God to you?


Funny, I have seen more anti-Christ bullshit offered up by pious and studied Christians than by all the heathens or pagans I've run across.

One sadly confused Christian on a prominent Christian group told all about how he no longer identified himself as a Christian while out "winning hearts for God" because the people he approached didn't respect Christians. Later on, he informed them... Can you grasp this?

Like all the Hebrews 12 Bastards that decide, "I will no longer call myself a Christian" because of neo-con politics or others they object to. Unable to grasp that they give up God's Banner To The World just because others they disapprove of pervert it?

No one who is Born-Again remains of the world, or concerned with what others think of them as they do God's Will. Born-Agains treat all persons with respect and dignity in their interactions, but God IS whom they serve and obey regardless of how others interpret their actions or witness...


In February 2004, I was Given HIS Anointing To witness. The Annointing lasted forty days and forty nights to the hour...

My witness has never changed and I have been Guided all the way. I still comment on other threads and occasionally bump the old threads.

thanks for your interest...

Re: Lester IS a foe to anti-Christ, false-witnessing liars... Quote

The anti-Christ spirit is not limited to villains and cads.

I have for years nominated the catholic nun, "mother" theresa as the archetype for illustration of anti-Christ. m.t. ostensibly does "good works"; we leave the questionable aspects of her order aside here...

Doesn't matter one damn bit that she is regarded as a "living saint" or does good works. mother theresa remains a catholic nun and this proves she is not Born-Again and therefore has no Knowledge of God's Will and is not the least concerned with what God would have her do.

Carnality.
The definition of this among Hebrews 12 Bastards is self-willed. Could also call them Philistines and Pharisees. The Hebrews 12 Bastard always has a reason or feeling that will intervene before they actually seek God with a contrite heart of supplication. The Bastard is always justified in their heart; likely wishing God would just show him/her a sign...

I've had these Christians sit in my living room and tell me how they got Witness from The Holy Spirit, but have to "prove HIM 'in The Word'". Understand this: You cannot Know God, Abide With HIS Holy Spirit unless you Trust HIM Fully. Hearing such a clear witness of alienation is a very sad thing, especially when the Christian believes they are striving and doing God's Will...

The Pharisees sought every possible objection to Christ Jesus and eventually decided they had to kill HIM rather than entertain HIS Witness...

Nicodemus, a "master of Israel" (Pharisee) came to see Jesus one night and confessed that he Knew Jesus was Of The Father... Yet, Jesus Witnessed to HIM 3x "Marvel not that I say unto you, ye must be Born-Again!" Ol' Nic just couldn't accept this.


The Hebrews 12 Bastard will invent a fiction and pretend that they are Born-Again. No witness or understanding of Ezekiel 36:26 since they have never had God Regenerate their hearts. But that doesn't stop them. American Christian leadership comes forth from the divinity school tradition, which denies most of what the Born-Again Knows and experiences. Martin Luther was a genuine Born-Again. All he hoped for was rome to recognize God's Plan as Jesus Witnesses IN The Gospel that each could Know God Personally and Directly.


The Hebrews 12 ministries are only concerned with adding members, as opposed to carrying witness and guiding others as to how they too can Know and Abide With God. There is no such thing as any minister "winning hearts for God", or "leading others to Christ". Such concepts smack of carnality and self-will rather than accord with God's Will..

Here is another example of carnal-hearted do-goodism; ostensibly for God, but actually just a self-willed attempt at wwjd or conjecture...


Re: Simple proof of God the designer Quote

"Wasn’t there a simpler way for an Almighty God to make people believe in him?" Yes, everyone has noticed that the Sun and Moon appear to be exactly the same size from our vantage point here on Earth? Do you think the geometry behind that phenomenon is 'coincidence' or by design? The odds of it being coincidental are astronomical!
Quoting: Christian 1053027


Might want to check out Christ Jesus' Own Witness before you blather-on with your conjecturist ideas about God's Purpose and Will....

In Matthew 16, Our Lord is explicit. See verse 20...
13. When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14. And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16. And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
20. Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

Can you understand that God is not desirous that all Believe or even have Faith?

In Matthew 13 HE has just Witnessed The Parable Of The Sower, the Apostles ask HIM, "Why do YOU Teach In Parables?"
Verses 11-17 are again pertinent here.

Jesus Witnesses that HE uses parables so that only the people who can hear with their hearts will "get it"... This is The Witness of verses 11-17 and afterwards HE Explains what The Sower means...

10. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11. He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.


13. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15. For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16. But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.


Got some problem with God's Will and how HE HAS Manifest HIS Witness to the world? As a carnal-hearted Christian, I'm sure you take issue or would have God be "more fair"...

Your efforts to "win souls" or "convince" anyone are self-willed and carnally motivated.

If you Love God with a True Heart, it is time For YOU to Tell HIM So and make your decision whether you can Trust HIM Fully With Every Aspect Of Your Life...

The only reason you were born, if Love For Christ is upon your heart, is to manifest your heart Unto The Father. Fail to do this and you manifest instead as a failed-vessel, no matter how good your intentions may be.

Maranatha!!!

I dunno scibes pretty good too...russ? dont forget russ!

Godspeed Lester , You are a Legend .

when someone writes bible passages and shows me how fucked up i am...

...i appreciate the fact, even more, that the only laws i have to concern myself with are from the constitution.

Hi Lester,

for your posts which I have read.

I have a few questions for you, if you don't mind.

Do you keep the Saturday Sabbath?
And what does 'Sabbath-keeping' mean to you?

In the Torah, there are many 'laws' which would seem to be out-dated. Dietary, familial, ritual, and societal edicts which many folks view as extreme. How do you reconcile the edicts of the Old Testament with those of the New Testament?

Do you abide by Mosaic law?

Do you tithe?

Is there a particular Christian denomination which best represents your views?

Thank you for taking the effort to Witness here at GLP!

Edit to fix 2 typo's!

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Here is a reply from another thread to a Hebrews 12 Bastard:

Re: Why Born-Agains No longer Continue To Sin pt 3 Quote

Luk 11:24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.

Luk 11:25 And when he cometh, he findeth [it] swept and garnished.

Luk 11:26 Then goeth he, and taketh [to him] seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last [state] of that man is worse than the first.

kitty So yes Christians can continue to sin and lose their salvation.
Quoting: Judeth


No discernment from you?
You figure the Luke 11 verses you cite apply to those Born-Again?
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


If your heart remains of-stone, then sure; sinfulness remains your nature. Luke 11 is powerful Witness, but not primarily for the verses you cite, Judeth...

Jesus is not Witnessing of Born-Agains falling into prodigalism, but rather of the ones he addresses in verse 23 being on their own. "He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth."


You can read the whole passage as these verses frame part of HIS Witness Against Pharisees who accused HIM of casting out devils by beelzebub.

I feel set-upon in the same way by pseudo-Christians who will not Seek The Father, surrender and be Born-Again and thereby KNOW HE Has Delivered them from carnality and sin.

God Damn the deniers!

Twice in The Gospel of John does Jesus Witness to one HE has healed of their sins, "Sin no more!".
John 5:14. Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
John 8:11. She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.


You figure Jesus is the liar, or is it me who witnesses that HIS Word IS True?

WS natureboy,

I am Born-Again per Ezekiel 36:26-27
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Not of my own works/efforts/brain, but from complete capitulation of self and Total Trust and Submission Unto The Father.

I Abide-With, In, and Through The Father as Jesus Witnesses in John ch 17.

The questions you ask are window-dressing not terribly pertinent. If you cannot witness that you are Born-Again with HIS New Heart and that your life was Transformed Into Accord With HIM, what does my manner of living and worship hold for you?

First John Epistle ch 2, verses 20-27 Give a Strong Witness of The Born-Again Life. I first read that Epistle, I thought John was my older-brother whose Witness was just as I Knew...

Not trying to be evasive but nothing else matters but Knowing HIM. We do commemorate PassOver every year in our home, and regard The Sabbath every Fri night to Saturday night. Not like we are Jews or observers for custom or pretense.

God Guides my life and will Guide your own if you make your life an offering to HIM from Complete Trust and Sincerity of heart.

God's Best to you and yours!

Yeah, buddy!

The problem though, Lester, is that your "I'm The Smartest" and 'everyone else is a bastard' arrogance is proof that you have not totally submitted to Him. If you had you would know that He did not send you to call His other lids names and tell them what F....'s they are.

Lots of noise, clanging, and tickling BUT no love....if you truly KNEW Him you would not dare speak so insolently of those that He cares so dearly for....

Sometimes it is hard to tell the 'christians' from the un- believing scoffers and christ-haters.....and that is something that really breaks the Fathers heart.

Lester,

Thank you for your reply. No, I didn't find it evasive and you are correct in that your mode of observation/devotion really has no bearing on my relationship with God.

I am very fortunate and grateful for all the gifts I deem given directly from God. The gifts are, in fact the life I experience at every moment. I know that God has and will continue to provide for my every need, and when I am blind to his purpose, I know that my eyes will open in due course.

God's Best to you and yours!

-wnb

Projection!!! Lay off the gay porn man.

if yer a christian why are ye following paul - who never even met the christ?

I am a fatherless Jew .

What is your problem with me ?

Hebrews 12 Bastards seem unable and unwilling to change.
Unable to accept God's Witness In Scripture when Plainly Stated by Christ Jesus, Ezekiel, St. John.

Those Paul Witnessed were "...not sons, but bastards" refuse to acknowledge Jesus Christ Made THE WAY UNTO THE FATHER, and choose to obfuscate and ignore Christ Jesus' Witness in Scripture.

Such is the Laodicean age conjecture and self-will that defines God in manner pleasing to self rather than surrender Unto God On HIS OWN Terms.

Workers of iniquity, one and all.

Hearts waxed gross... Seeing they do not see; hearing they do not hear.

These are they whom Christ Witnesses HE will not share The Mysteries of Heaven with... Matthew ch 13:
(See the entire chapter for Parable of The Sower and Jesus' Explanation of it.)
10. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11. He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15. For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


16. But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.



Laodiceans make pretense at Loving and Trusting God, but their heart is waxed gross and they do not hear or see. They deny True Witness of Scripture and turn to their carnality rather than seek to further humble themselves before God.

So funny, to be banned from Christian discussion threads for witnessing Trust God Completely and Surrender your life Unto The Father. Yet, the carnal-heart is the most powerful foe we ever face. Only The Father can Vanquish our carnal stony-heart and Give us A New Heart Of HIS Flesh; and thereby Bring us Into HIS Accord, Knowing and Doing HIS Will and living free from sin.

Just too much for the Hebrews 12 Bastards to hear.
They can't face their dysfunction so plainly. Can't accept True Witness.

Always grateful for adversity and struggle In HIS Name, witnessing what I have seen and Know.


Maranatha!!!

How many parables and Witnesses does Christ Jesus Give in The New Testament to the rejection of those who sought The Father on their own terms?

These are they whom Paul cited to be "Bastards Not Sons" in Hebrews 12:8. Rejecting HIS Chastening and Guidance... Bristling and sneering at God for HIS Finding Reason To Correct them...

Jesus Witnesses that These Will BE Rejected:

In Revelation 3: The Laodiceans who will be spewn forth from HIS Mouth for being "lukewarm". HE Would Rather they were hot or cold. Those who are hot are undeniably HIS, the cold, undeniably alienated.

In Matt 7 and Luke 13, the workers of iniquity who will knock and beg admission... They are destined to hear, "Depart from me, you who work iniquity; I Know you not!"

In Matt 23, The Parable Of The King's Wedding Feast For HIS Son: "Friend, how came ye to be here without a Wedding Garment"? Then, The King Commands the interloper be bound and tossed out amidst crying and gnashing of teeth...

Another Witness from St. John in 1st Epistle ch 2:
19. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


There are 7 citations in Luke and Matthew of those who will be cast out amidst "weeping and gnashing of teeth".
Matthew 8
12. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 13
42. And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
50. And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 22
13. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 24
51. And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 25
30. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Luke 13
28. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust
out.


Can't be much clearer than in Luke 13...


Figure you're HIS, but don't Know HIM and can't give witness of how you became Born-Again and how others can also give HIM their lives?

Unless you Know HIM, you remain a worker of iniquity and will be sent out...


Hebrews 12 Bastards will owe their grief and despair to none other than their selves...


Maranatha!!!