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The Great Warning ~ Don't be deceived

 
Shamar (OP)

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Part of the "club"...

I am not a christian. I know not your 'christ'. I only know YHWH and my Beloved, Yahoshua Ha'Moshiach. Your 'christ' is a pagan deity.

No wonder Palm of Deborah didn't agree with those 3 basics
of Christianity.


Well duh. You act like that is a brand new revelation to you. Christ is a Greek word, I am not Greek. As I explained, but you omitted in you partial quote from my own thread, I am ma'amin b'Moshiach...look it up.

Thread: ~*~*I Keep/Guard the 7th Day Sabbath...Ask Me A Question*~*~

Your just mad because I won't join your club. Haha.



Deborah and all her buddies do not understand Born-Again.
They choose to declare "I am not a Christian".
They seek an exclusion rather than inclusion.
Therefore, they are apart and not Of The Church.

No Witness from any of them. They disdain Born-Again. Seemingly this is semantics, but actually it is their exclusion. Born-Again, Born-From-Above; IF you've given your life Unto The Father, you KNOW both are same.

Make a big deal out of referring to The Son Of God as Yeshua? Just more exclusion. Christ Jesus, Jesus Christ, Jesus Of Nazareth, Yeshua, Yahushua, Yeshua Hamashiach: All Inclusive, ONLY ONE, ALL HIM....

But never any witness out of these Sabbath Keeping, judaic/aramaic and all sorts of additional "mumbo-jumbo" that makes them feel "special".


Mary, the mother of Christ, is dead in her grave; but so are Shamar, Deborah, Nene, and the other cultists. Dead to HIM. Not Born-Again, not even "From-Above".

Ezekiel 36:26-27 Witnesses that Father Will Give us a New Heart Of-HIS Flesh, Enable us to Know HIS Will, Do It, and Live Free From Sin.

None of the judaic-"won't call ourselves Christian" cultists testify or give witness in anything they write or interact as to having Trusted God Fully and surrendered, therefore they are not Born-Agains (or From-Above)...


There is no place In-HIS-Body for Hebrews 12 Bastards who think they are elite or special or different. Yet, Christianity is filled with their ilk. They are no more different from snake-handlers or polygamists who think their carnality is not profane Unto God.
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you havemissed many of my posts on the other thread. Again, I left the RCC for the same reasons as you. why do you despise me?
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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I don't "despise" anyone.
Carnality is a foe that only God can defeat.

If you have been Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again, then witness it.

No reason for your confusion about these who will not admit to being Christian. They either are or aren't. If they're not, they aren't Of-HIM, but are mired in some context of their carnal and self-willed motivations.

Understand the difference between being self-willed and God Directing your life? Have to surrender your will and accept/desire only HIS Will for you; in EVERY Aspect of your life.

Is that something you know about?
I was shown the impact of my carnality if I returned to it by two long haired and long bearded Angelic beings. Innocents that I didn't know or had never met that were impacted horribly by my return to carnality, or if you prefer self-willed living.

Doesn't matter what you believe.
I only witness what I have Seen and Know.

Christ Jesus did not die to Enable some "secret way".
It is about impossible for most to manifest their hearts Unto The Father. HE had no need for secrecy... Secrets are for liars and deceivers. God is not of that ilk; but your buddies are....

You cannot play both sides of the street.
This is not a game where every child is a winner.
People who have not surrendered but make pretense and give false-witness are anti-Christ; whether they mean to be or not.

Your buddies likely have good hearts and Love God, but someone has misled them and diverted them from the path of surrender. None are Born-Again and that is our only purpose if God has PUT Knowledge of WHO Jesus Christ IS upon your heart.

Maranatha!!!
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I don't "despise" anyone.
Carnality is a foe that only God can defeat.

If you have been Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again, then witness it.

No reason for your confusion about these who will not admit to being Christian. They either are or aren't. If they're not, they aren't Of-HIM, but are mired in some context of their carnal and self-willed motivations.

Understand the difference between being self-willed and God Directing your life? Have to surrender your will and accept/desire only HIS Will for you; in EVERY Aspect of your life.

Is that something you know about?
I was shown the impact of my carnality if I returned to it by two long haired and long bearded Angelic beings. Innocents that I didn't know or had never met that were impacted horribly by my return to carnality, or if you prefer self-willed living.

Doesn't matter what you believe.
I only witness what I have Seen and Know.

Christ Jesus did not die to Enable some "secret way".
It is about impossible for most to manifest their hearts Unto The Father. HE had no need for secrecy... Secrets are for liars and deceivers. God is not of that ilk; but your buddies are....

You cannot play both sides of the street.
This is not a game where every child is a winner.
People who have not surrendered but make pretense and give false-witness are anti-Christ; whether they mean to be or not.

Your buddies likely have good hearts and Love God, but someone has misled them and diverted them from the path of surrender. None are Born-Again and that is our only purpose if God has PUT Knowledge of WHO Jesus Christ IS upon your heart.

Maranatha!!!
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well thankfully Yeshua is my judge and not you.

shalom!
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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well thankfully Yeshua is my judge and not you.

shalom!
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You made a nice comment on that thread I am now banned from recognizing some elements of my witness.

Perhaps you are new to disputing anti-Christ false-witnessing phonies?

I am not your judge. Where have I judged you?
If you claim to be Born-Again but are reticent at giving witness, why the reticence? Why the hesitation?

Like a guy I was Given Instruction to witness to. When I asked him about his relationship with God, he told me; "My relationship with God is private."


Is your relationship with God a private matter if someone asks you to share about God? Are you afraid to affirm him in the fashion you came to Know HIM? (Not saying you are) but do you understand that anyone who Knows HIM would not hesitate to share if asked to???


What about someone who claims "Jesus was a sabbath keeping jew". Was HE? Is that the purpose God Sent HIM to Fulfill?


You said you were formerly catholic. Another anti-Christ says "the roman catholic church's main fault is they augmented The Bible". Is that so?

Did Martin Luther even cite "altered The Scriptures" as one of his 95 Theses? I don't think so. In those days, the Reformers were just happy to possess a Bible...


Don't be fooled indeed.
Anyone who cannot Gratefully Acknowledge that they are a Christian and that Christ Jesus is The Son Of God, The Word Made Flesh; if they cannot affirm those facts about their self, then they are not OF-HIM...

So much in 1st John 2:20-27
20. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.


22. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

24. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

25. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.


27. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
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well thankfully Yeshua is my judge and not you.

shalom!



You made a nice comment on that thread I am now banned from recognizing some elements of my witness.

Perhaps you are new to disputing anti-Christ false-witnessing phonies?

I am not your judge. Where have I judged you?
If you claim to be Born-Again but are reticent at giving witness, why the reticence? Why the hesitation?

Like a guy I was Given Instruction to witness to. When I asked him about his relationship with God, he told me; "My relationship with God is private."


Is your relationship with God a private matter if someone asks you to share about God? Are you afraid to affirm him in the fashion you came to Know HIM? (Not saying you are) but do you understand that anyone who Knows HIM would not hesitate to share if asked to???


What about someone who claims "Jesus was a sabbath keeping jew". Was HE? Is that the purpose God Sent HIM to Fulfill?


You said you were formerly catholic. Another anti-Christ says "the roman catholic church's main fault is they augmented The Bible". Is that so?

Did Martin Luther even cite "altered The Scriptures" as one of his 95 Theses? I don't think so. In those days, the Reformers were just happy to possess a Bible...


Don't be fooled indeed.
Anyone who cannot Gratefully Acknowledge that they are a Christian and that Christ Jesus is The Son Of God, The Word Made Flesh; if they cannot affirm those facts about their self, then they are not OF-HIM...

So much in 1st John 2:20-27
20. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.


22. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

24. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

25. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.


27. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
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have you read all my posts? i believe i addressed your issues previously.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Regarding your post here,

In accordance with Jesus' Witness in Matt 24:22-24; how can anyone who is not Ezekiel 36:27 Born-Again not fall prey to the deception of the Final Moments or Last Days?


It has been my witness recorded here for years, that "the very elect" whom Jesus Says cannot be deceived, are Delivered from the deception by The InDwelling Of The Holy Spirit.


Those who cannot Trust God Fully with their lives, by making their surrender before HIS Angel of Revelation 14:7 Gives Forth announcing the end of The Age of Faith, will be left to come through the great tribulation entirely on their own.

That is basically the fate of all carnals, to be alone. Some will be Guided to Born-Agains for protection and witness but not that many... Will be very sad to long for HIS Comfort or even just some encouragement and receive none even if reading The Word.

The deception as I understand it has already manifested.
So plain to see how many announce their carnal ideas with such enthusiasm.

Anyway, matters not.
God's Will IS Always Perfect!
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Regarding your post here,

In accordance with Jesus' Witness in Matt 24:22-24; how can anyone who is not Ezekiel 36:27 Born-Again not fall prey to the deception of the Final Moments or Last Days?


It has been my witness recorded here for years, that "the very elect" whom Jesus Says cannot be deceived, are Delivered from the deception by The InDwelling Of The Holy Spirit.


Those who cannot Trust God Fully with their lives, by making their surrender before HIS Angel of Revelation 14:7 Gives Forth announcing the end of The Age of Faith, will be left to come through the great tribulation entirely on their own.

That is basically the fate of all carnals, to be alone. Some will be Guided to Born-Agains for protection and witness but not that many... Will be very sad to long for HIS Comfort or even just some encouragement and receive none even if reading The Word.

The deception as I understand it has already manifested.
So plain to see how many announce their carnal ideas with such enthusiasm.

Anyway, matters not.
God's Will IS Always Perfect!
 Quoting: Lester

not a clue what you are talking about here.

explain for me, how you separate your own carnalness from mine?
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Found this to be interesting:


Luke 11:

14Jesus was driving out a demon that was mute. When the demon left, the man who had been mute spoke, and the crowd was amazed. 15But some of them said, "By Beelzebub,[g] the prince of demons, he is driving out demons." 16Others tested him by asking for a sign from heaven.

17Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them: "Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and a house divided against itself will fall. 18If Satan is divided against himself, how can his kingdom stand? I say this because you claim that I drive out demons by Beelzebub. 19Now if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your followers drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 20But if I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come to you.

21"When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. 22But when someone stronger attacks and overpowers him, he takes away the armor in which the man trusted and divides up the spoils.

23"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me, scatters.

24"When an evil[h] spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.' 25When it arrives, it finds the house swept clean and put in order. 26Then it goes and takes seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first."

27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you."

28He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."





Messiah rubukes a woman for exalting His mother, Mary...He redirects the woman to obey God's word instead. In other words, Blessed is not His mother for the sake of being His mother, but Blessed are those who hear and OBEY God's Word.






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Found this to be interesting:


Luke 11:

14Jesus was driving out a demon that was mute. When the demon left, the man who had been mute spoke, and the crowd was amazed. 15But some of them said, "By Beelzebub,[g] the prince of demons, he is driving out demons." 16Others tested him by asking for a sign from heaven.

17Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them: "Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and a house divided against itself will fall. 18If Satan is divided against himself, how can his kingdom stand? I say this because you claim that I drive out demons by Beelzebub. 19Now if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your followers drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 20But if I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come to you.

21"When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. 22But when someone stronger attacks and overpowers him, he takes away the armor in which the man trusted and divides up the spoils.

23"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me, scatters.

24"When an evil[h] spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.' 25When it arrives, it finds the house swept clean and put in order. 26Then it goes and takes seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first."

27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you."

28He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."





Messiah rubukes a woman for exalting His mother, Mary...He redirects the woman to obey God's word instead. In other words, Blessed is not His mother for the sake of being His mother, but Blessed are those who hear and OBEY God's Word.






:)
 Quoting: ToyTV

excellent indeed!
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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"27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you."

28He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."


Mary did hear the word of God, and did obey it. In context I do not believe he is rebuking Mary, but on the contrary he is in fact praising her.
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"27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you."

28He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."


Mary did hear the word of God, and did obey it. In context I do not believe he is rebuking Mary, but on the contrary he is in fact praising her.
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No He did not rebuke Mary, he rebuked the person who was exalting her.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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"27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you."

28He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."


Mary did hear the word of God, and did obey it. In context I do not believe he is rebuking Mary, but on the contrary he is in fact praising her.

No He did not rebuke Mary, he rebuked the person who was exalting her.
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I am not sure about that, I also am not sure about the translation. When the angle came to Mary, It was clear that she found favor with God. If I remember correctly Elizabeth said blessed are you or you are also blessed.
Please understand that I am not trying to contradict what Christ said, only that the translation may be off, because in context, and with everything else written about Mary, it does not fit.
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Shamar,

No, I did not read all your posts.

If you cannot understand what St. John Witnesses in 1st epistle 2:20-27 cited in my last post, it reveals that you do not have An Unction From The Holy One.

ToyTV is another piece of work, another lying anti-Christ snake.

Not being "Greek" as snake Deborah avows for her rejection of Christian to define her, is simply disingenuous; I am not of any Greek extraction either.

If you want to put credence in the Lost Tribes Went to Europe "stuff" of so called Christian-identity; then my ancestors are all proper descendants; yet I identify and AM Christian...

Point of First Epistle of John is that it is a letter to other Born-Agains, his witness of Born-Again life.

Funny thing about all this: I never "needed" The Bible, The Holy Scriptures until I began to give my witness here and at other Christian boards, as God Instructed me to do. The super religious carnal-Christians like yourself, deborahpalm, toytv and many others over the years, Claim HIM; no matter if they deny Jesus and affirm Yeshua Hamashiach, but cannot understand witness...

Witness is what Jesus Defines in John 3:11 as "what we have Seen and Know". It is HIS Witness that Nicodemus rejects...

Carnality in definition is the epitome of the "stony heart", that element that causes Believer or Faithful to reject witness and remain in their carnal-hearted familiarity. It is the reason so few can ever Lift Up The Son Of Man which is The Leap Of Faith, the act of surrender.


Knowing God results from surrender. It is the Born-Again experience "prime mover". You cannot be Born-Again and not Know HIM. You cannot be Born-Again and not KNOW What John Witnesses in first epistle...

Yet, you declare yourself to be ignorant.


It doesn't mean you are a "bad person" or even a bad Christian. It does mean you don't KNOW.

Anyone who is Of-HIM, who has been Ezekiel 36:26-27 will recognize me and I them. The Holy Spirit Within Gives us Recognition Of-HIM Dwelling Within. HE Has also Revealed those who are inhabited by demons to me.

What you believe or are willing to believe is of no consequence to me. Give your life Unto The Father, and then come back and witness what you have Seen and Know. Until you Know HIM, however, you have no basis for giving instruction or advice or trying to influence anyone; because you have no witness, Know HIM not.

Only your heart can choose when and how it might manifest Unto The Father...

If English is not your primary language maybe some nuance of what I say here/hear is not coming through? Yet, where witness is involved if you have a heart For-God, witness can encourage you to Trust HIM Fully and make your decision and take action. All you have to do is begin with a true and sincere Love For HIM and HE Will Do the rest...
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"27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you."

28He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."


Mary did hear the word of God, and did obey it. In context I do not believe he is rebuking Mary, but on the contrary he is in fact praising her.

No He did not rebuke Mary, he rebuked the person who was exalting her.


I am not sure about that, I also am not sure about the translation. When the angle came to Mary, It was clear that she found favor with God. If I remember correctly Elizabeth said blessed are you or you are also blessed.
Please understand that I am not trying to contradict what Christ said, only that the translation may be off, because in context, and with everything else written about Mary, it does not fit.
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What other stuff written by about Mary are you referring to?


He was rebuking the exaltation of His mother...it's not that unclear. Nobody is denying that Mary was Godly woman, she had to have been if The Father chose her to bring Messiah into the world. But, being a Godly person, doesn't make you a deity. That is "serpent language."

RCC makes Mary a deity...and that is blasphemy, idolatry, and just plain wrong.

That's what we are disputing here, so let us stay on track.
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Sorry, I often check different translations against the KJV, and I forgot to change it back from the NIV.

Here is that passage from KJV:


27And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

28But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.


"Rather," means "on the contrary."

He is not Rebuking His mother, "rather," He is Giving all credit to His Father, and His word. As we should.


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"27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you."

28He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."


Mary did hear the word of God, and did obey it. In context I do not believe he is rebuking Mary, but on the contrary he is in fact praising her.

No He did not rebuke Mary, he rebuked the person who was exalting her.


I am not sure about that, I also am not sure about the translation. When the angle came to Mary, It was clear that she found favor with God. If I remember correctly Elizabeth said blessed are you or you are also blessed.
Please understand that I am not trying to contradict what Christ said, only that the translation may be off, because in context, and with everything else written about Mary, it does not fit.



What other stuff written by about Mary are you referring to?


He was rebuking the exaltation of His mother...it's not that unclear. Nobody is denying that Mary was Godly woman, she had to have been if The Father chose her to bring Messiah into the world. But, being a Godly person, doesn't make you a deity. That is "serpent language."

RCC makes Mary a deity...and that is blasphemy, idolatry, and just plain wrong.

That's what we are disputing here, so let us stay on track.
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Good to see you getting down to brass tax here. Catholics claim to pray to Christ through intercessions from Mary. Non Catholics say that they pray to Mary. In the rosary we say "holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and in the hour of our death. Amen." Clearly if we were praying to Mary we would not be asking Mary to pray FOR us. Non Catholics will always throw this false accusation at us, and that is alright. If you wish to call me a liar, so be it. Let's hope for the accusers, that old testament law does not apply.
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"27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you."

28He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."


Mary did hear the word of God, and did obey it. In context I do not believe he is rebuking Mary, but on the contrary he is in fact praising her.

No He did not rebuke Mary, he rebuked the person who was exalting her.


I am not sure about that, I also am not sure about the translation. When the angle came to Mary, It was clear that she found favor with God. If I remember correctly Elizabeth said blessed are you or you are also blessed.
Please understand that I am not trying to contradict what Christ said, only that the translation may be off, because in context, and with everything else written about Mary, it does not fit.



What other stuff written by about Mary are you referring to?


He was rebuking the exaltation of His mother...it's not that unclear. Nobody is denying that Mary was Godly woman, she had to have been if The Father chose her to bring Messiah into the world. But, being a Godly person, doesn't make you a deity. That is "serpent language."

RCC makes Mary a deity...and that is blasphemy, idolatry, and just plain wrong.

That's what we are disputing here, so let us stay on track.



Good to see you getting down to brass tax here. Catholics claim to pray to Christ through intercessions from Mary. Non Catholics say that they pray to Mary. In the rosary we say "holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and in the hour of our death. Amen." Clearly if we were praying to Mary we would not be asking Mary to pray FOR us. Non Catholics will always throw this false accusation at us, and that is alright. If you wish to call me a liar, so be it. Let's hope for the accusers, that old testament law does not apply.
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I have posted plenty of examples where jpII prayed TO Mary, and not only did he pray TO her, he entrusted HER with the world and all its peoples and all its doings.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Luke 11:28
And it came to pass, as he spoke these things, a certain woman from the crowd, lifting up her voice, said to him: Blessed is the womb that bore thee, and the paps that gave thee suck. [28] But he said: Yea rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God, and keep it.


To search for a verse in the Bible to show Our Lord puts down
His beloved mother shows such stupidity. Add to that, we see PIOS strikes again.

God the Father's words for Mary spoken by the Archangel Gabriel to Mary. And not the changed words in altered Protestant Bibles.

The first Bible, the Latin Vulgate, the English transaltion:

Luke 1:28
And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.


Grace is God's presence in our soul, no one argues this fact. Mary is full of God, she's full of grace meaning Mary followed God perfectly, In God the Father's greeting, there is that word "blessed", the same as the word Jesus used.
Jesus is describing His mother.
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"27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you."

28He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."


Mary did hear the word of God, and did obey it. In context I do not believe he is rebuking Mary, but on the contrary he is in fact praising her.

No He did not rebuke Mary, he rebuked the person who was exalting her.


I am not sure about that, I also am not sure about the translation. When the angle came to Mary, It was clear that she found favor with God. If I remember correctly Elizabeth said blessed are you or you are also blessed.
Please understand that I am not trying to contradict what Christ said, only that the translation may be off, because in context, and with everything else written about Mary, it does not fit.



What other stuff written by about Mary are you referring to?


He was rebuking the exaltation of His mother...it's not that unclear. Nobody is denying that Mary was Godly woman, she had to have been if The Father chose her to bring Messiah into the world. But, being a Godly person, doesn't make you a deity. That is "serpent language."

RCC makes Mary a deity...and that is blasphemy, idolatry, and just plain wrong.

That's what we are disputing here, so let us stay on track.



Good to see you getting down to brass tax here. Catholics claim to pray to Christ through intercessions from Mary. Non Catholics say that they pray to Mary. In the rosary we say "holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and in the hour of our death. Amen." Clearly if we were praying to Mary we would not be asking Mary to pray FOR us. Non Catholics will always throw this false accusation at us, and that is alright. If you wish to call me a liar, so be it. Let's hope for the accusers, that old testament law does not apply.

I have posted plenty of examples where jpII prayed TO Mary, and not only did he pray TO her, he entrusted HER with the world and all its peoples and all its doings.
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Let's say for a minute he did. He would have been wrong. It is not the doctrine of the church. Can you agree to this?
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Shamar, no matter how much you protest, in your heart, I
can tell you are Roman Catholic. Some of the things you
say...

I don't think you are going to reject the Great Warning when
it happens. Call me..(humor), write me when it takes place, okay? Actually, not via a reply on the Internet, after the Great Warning we must throw out all electronics.
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"27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you."

28He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."


Mary did hear the word of God, and did obey it. In context I do not believe he is rebuking Mary, but on the contrary he is in fact praising her.

No He did not rebuke Mary, he rebuked the person who was exalting her.


I am not sure about that, I also am not sure about the translation. When the angle came to Mary, It was clear that she found favor with God. If I remember correctly Elizabeth said blessed are you or you are also blessed.
Please understand that I am not trying to contradict what Christ said, only that the translation may be off, because in context, and with everything else written about Mary, it does not fit.



What other stuff written by about Mary are you referring to?


He was rebuking the exaltation of His mother...it's not that unclear. Nobody is denying that Mary was Godly woman, she had to have been if The Father chose her to bring Messiah into the world. But, being a Godly person, doesn't make you a deity. That is "serpent language."

RCC makes Mary a deity...and that is blasphemy, idolatry, and just plain wrong.

That's what we are disputing here, so let us stay on track.



Good to see you getting down to brass tax here. Catholics claim to pray to Christ through intercessions from Mary. Non Catholics say that they pray to Mary. In the rosary we say "holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and in the hour of our death. Amen." Clearly if we were praying to Mary we would not be asking Mary to pray FOR us. Non Catholics will always throw this false accusation at us, and that is alright. If you wish to call me a liar, so be it. Let's hope for the accusers, that old testament law does not apply.

I have posted plenty of examples where jpII prayed TO Mary, and not only did he pray TO her, he entrusted HER with the world and all its peoples and all its doings.



Let's say for a minute he did. He would have been wrong. It is not the doctrine of the church. Can you agree to this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1116491


What I will agree to, after years of apologetics with RCCrs is that the documents say something, but it *doesn't really mean that.*

If your own pope prays to mary, what example does that set to the rest of members? They will follow his example, i mean, why not? The pope according to your teaching is the vicar of christ....supposed to represent Jesus Christ here on earth. did Yeshua in the scriptures ever pray to his mother?

Um. nope.
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Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Praying to the saints in Heaven is Scriptural but ignored.

Those who ignore can't connect, that if they can intercede
by their prayers for loved ones, why not the holy people in Heaven prayers to God for us here?

Part of it is, there are sects who preach falsely, only
God and the angels are in Heaven!!
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Praying to the saints in Heaven is Scriptural but ignored.
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Show me the Scripture.
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Good to see you getting down to brass tax here. Catholics claim to pray to Christ through intercessions from Mary. Non Catholics say that they pray to Mary. In the rosary we say "holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and in the hour of our death. Amen."
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Not much difference if you ask me.

You are praying to the dead....Mary is dead. You are praying through a pagan deity...you are praying to Isis...Satan is intercepting your prayer.



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"27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you."

28He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."


Mary did hear the word of God, and did obey it. In context I do not believe he is rebuking Mary, but on the contrary he is in fact praising her.

No He did not rebuke Mary, he rebuked the person who was exalting her.


I am not sure about that, I also am not sure about the translation. When the angle came to Mary, It was clear that she found favor with God. If I remember correctly Elizabeth said blessed are you or you are also blessed.
Please understand that I am not trying to contradict what Christ said, only that the translation may be off, because in context, and with everything else written about Mary, it does not fit.



What other stuff written by about Mary are you referring to?


He was rebuking the exaltation of His mother...it's not that unclear. Nobody is denying that Mary was Godly woman, she had to have been if The Father chose her to bring Messiah into the world. But, being a Godly person, doesn't make you a deity. That is "serpent language."

RCC makes Mary a deity...and that is blasphemy, idolatry, and just plain wrong.

That's what we are disputing here, so let us stay on track.



Good to see you getting down to brass tax here. Catholics claim to pray to Christ through intercessions from Mary. Non Catholics say that they pray to Mary. In the rosary we say "holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and in the hour of our death. Amen." Clearly if we were praying to Mary we would not be asking Mary to pray FOR us. Non Catholics will always throw this false accusation at us, and that is alright. If you wish to call me a liar, so be it. Let's hope for the accusers, that old testament law does not apply.

I have posted plenty of examples where jpII prayed TO Mary, and not only did he pray TO her, he entrusted HER with the world and all its peoples and all its doings.



Let's say for a minute he did. He would have been wrong. It is not the doctrine of the church. Can you agree to this?


What I will agree to, after years of apologetics with RCCrs is that the documents say something, but it *doesn't really mean that.*

If your own pope prays to mary, what example does that set to the rest of members? They will follow his example, i mean, why not? The pope according to your teaching is the vicar of christ....supposed to represent Jesus Christ here on earth. did Yeshua in the scriptures ever pray to his mother?

Um. nope.
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Is there any way that the Catholic church can make it so you approve of the Christians going to church each week and praying to Christ. How would one get your approval that we are doing it correctly?
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I gotta get outa here Shamar. It drains my energy trying to convince the "strongheld."

This is energy I could use elsewhere. I just assume that my request for scripture backing up "praying to Saints" will be ignored...'cause there isn't such a scripture.

Good luck with your thread. I hope I contributed something good to it.


hf

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I gotta get outa here Shamar. It drains my energy trying to convince the "strongheld."

This is energy I could use elsewhere. I just assume that my request for scripture backing up "praying to Saints" will be ignored...'cause there isn't such a scripture.

Good luck with your thread. I hope I contributed something good to it.


hf
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You did indeed. I too am takinig a break from the boards for a while. YHVH's richest blessings on you my friend!!
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"27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you."

28He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."


Mary did hear the word of God, and did obey it. In context I do not believe he is rebuking Mary, but on the contrary he is in fact praising her.

No He did not rebuke Mary, he rebuked the person who was exalting her.


I am not sure about that, I also am not sure about the translation. When the angle came to Mary, It was clear that she found favor with God. If I remember correctly Elizabeth said blessed are you or you are also blessed.
Please understand that I am not trying to contradict what Christ said, only that the translation may be off, because in context, and with everything else written about Mary, it does not fit.



What other stuff written by about Mary are you referring to?


He was rebuking the exaltation of His mother...it's not that unclear. Nobody is denying that Mary was Godly woman, she had to have been if The Father chose her to bring Messiah into the world. But, being a Godly person, doesn't make you a deity. That is "serpent language."

RCC makes Mary a deity...and that is blasphemy, idolatry, and just plain wrong.

That's what we are disputing here, so let us stay on track.



Good to see you getting down to brass tax here. Catholics claim to pray to Christ through intercessions from Mary. Non Catholics say that they pray to Mary. In the rosary we say "holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and in the hour of our death. Amen." Clearly if we were praying to Mary we would not be asking Mary to pray FOR us. Non Catholics will always throw this false accusation at us, and that is alright. If you wish to call me a liar, so be it. Let's hope for the accusers, that old testament law does not apply.

I have posted plenty of examples where jpII prayed TO Mary, and not only did he pray TO her, he entrusted HER with the world and all its peoples and all its doings.



Let's say for a minute he did. He would have been wrong. It is not the doctrine of the church. Can you agree to this?


What I will agree to, after years of apologetics with RCCrs is that the documents say something, but it *doesn't really mean that.*

If your own pope prays to mary, what example does that set to the rest of members? They will follow his example, i mean, why not? The pope according to your teaching is the vicar of christ....supposed to represent Jesus Christ here on earth. did Yeshua in the scriptures ever pray to his mother?

Um. nope.


Is there any way that the Catholic church can make it so you approve of the Christians going to church each week and praying to Christ. How would one get your approval that we are doing it correctly?
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I do not understand your question.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Well, you say we pray to Mary. And we say we do not pray to Mary. The question is, what could the church do or say in order for you to believe that we do not pray to Mary but pray for intercessions? I suppose we could blot Mary out of the bible and make it forbidden to say her name. Perhaps we should smash any statue of Mary and destroy all pictures of her. You tell Me?

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