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Learn the Hard Lesson NOW: Do not follow him/her or their ministry

 
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If you have not made your surrender, (and you post a lot of whacked-out new age stuff, so I KNOW you haven't), you aren't (plural; all who're reading now) Born-Again.

Acknowledge Christ Jesus,
Admit & repent of your sins,
Claim your share of Father's Infinite Grace & Mercy,
Give HIM your life, all of it; good & bad,
Ask HIM to send HIS Holy Spirit to Guide you.

HE Will, if you are sincere...


Only one way any of us can "follow God" and that is to Abide In-HIM as Jesus Witnesses in John ch 17.

...

maranatha!!!



You poor, judgmental myopic person. You do not know as much as you think you do.



I have been Born Again. Filled with the Spirit. Given the Gift of Tongues in private prayer with the Maker. Been used for many co-incidences that can ONLY be called miracles, as often as I make myself available. Had a nice chat with some disembodied voice on 9/11 that to me could only have been what you call God. I no longer think I know this Being's name, but can say that God is more classification than name.



I pursue every single mystical experience I can, many of which you would deride as 'New Age'. I've studied as much as I can of all the major world religions, and especially that which came from the ground in the last 100 years.



You do not own the solitary rights to an approach to this Godlike Being...and your insistence that everyone take ONLY your chosen route reveals a hubris that can only be described as being influenced by a religious spirit.


That one is NOT a good one, by the way, it deludes those into acting contrary to their goal. It makes well-meaning and good-intended people do the Devil's work, sometimes very directly and forcefully.



I pray you reconsider your early and ignorant judgment of those of us who do NOT suffer the same stunted spiritual growth you seem to possess. Or be possessed by.


Cheers, sincerely,
John
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Sorry John,

You are the one who has been misled else you would understand that all your New Age gibberish is more in-keeping with doctrine of lady ga-ga than God The Father.

The Father never changes.
Your new age bullshit is not Of-HIM.

If you were Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again you would Know HIM and Understand what witness is. What you are offering is some feel-good universality which actually denigrates and denies Christianity which is God's Banner To The World...

Why would Father change HIS Witness at the very last?
He hasn't and wouldn't; yet These Are The Final Moments for them who might surrender their hearts Unto HIM...

What kind of self-willed bullshit have you bought into?

Can you testify and witness that this is what happened to you? From Ezekiel ch 36:
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


Rather impossible to abandon God, IF you ever Knew HIM; yet some Born-Agains do return to their carnality, such is what defines a "prodigal".

God is not seeking our inclusion.
If our hearts are truly manifested For HIM, it is we who seek HIM to be HIS for any purpose he wishes.

You wrote:
"You do not own the solitary rights to an approach to this Godlike Being...and your insistence that everyone take ONLY your chosen route reveals a hubris that can only be described as being influenced by a religious spirit."

You show your confusion.
It was God WHO Sent Christ Jesus.

John ch 14:
4. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5. Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

There is no other way or multiple paths Unto The Father.


Like a flea, floating down the river, hollering; "Raise the drawbridge!" you have overestimated your carnal reasoning and placed yourself and your discoveries ahead of serving God, IF you ever were HIS to begin with...
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Sorry John,

You are the one who has been misled else you would understand that all your New Age gibberish is more in-keeping with doctrine of lady ga-ga than God The Father.

The Father never changes.
Your new age bullshit is not Of-HIM.

If you were Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again you would Know HIM and Understand what witness is. What you are offering is some feel-good universality which actually denigrates and denies Christianity which is God's Banner To The World...

Why would Father change HIS Witness at the very last?
He hasn't and wouldn't; yet These Are The Final Moments for them who might surrender their hearts Unto HIM...

What kind of self-willed bullshit have you bought into?

Can you testify and witness that this is what happened to you? From Ezekiel ch 36:
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


Rather impossible to abandon God, IF you ever Knew HIM; yet some Born-Agains do return to their carnality, such is what defines a "prodigal".

God is not seeking our inclusion.
If our hearts are truly manifested For HIM, it is we who seek HIM to be HIS for any purpose he wishes.

You wrote:
"You do not own the solitary rights to an approach to this Godlike Being...and your insistence that everyone take ONLY your chosen route reveals a hubris that can only be described as being influenced by a religious spirit."

You show your confusion.
It was God WHO Sent Christ Jesus.

John ch 14:
4. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5. Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

There is no other way or multiple paths Unto The Father.


Like a flea, floating down the river, hollering; "Raise the drawbridge!" you have overestimated your carnal reasoning and placed yourself and your discoveries ahead of serving God, IF you ever were HIS to begin with...
 Quoting: Lester



I think you've missed some fundamental things. Then again, you quote scripture in OLD ENGLISH, heh, so I should not be surprised. Get some updated language, and stay away from tainted holey holy books! Please don't bother if your programming demands you defend the King James distraction.



In the collection of texts called the Old Testament, the Being you call God...which is NOT a name but rather a mere classification, is known by many names even in the agreed canon...never says He/She/It doesn't change. There is some indication that this Being is In and Through all things, and able to 'know' everything simultaneously. You thumpers have impressive sounding names for these. Whoo.


But The Time Being never claims to be unchanging nor unable to learn from those beings it created with their OWN version or 'form' of creative ability let loose in complete and unhindered free will. Not in my studying, that unchanging concept seems to come from MAN'S meager misunderstanding of the nature of the God-Being.


Heck, I believe that this God-Being waits around for the punchline and laughs at our jokes! I cannot imagine One Who is always peeking ahead in the Book of Life...which, I fully believe is being written every moment by the thoughts and decisions and actions of every sentient being on the planet. WE are the ones who write the Book of Life, page by page.





I have long known the One you call Jesus, who I am MUCH more comfortable identifying as Yeshua or even Yoshua, both WAY more historic than the westernized and bastardized saviorette you probably worship. Met him first through a red-letter ONLY reading of the new half of the good book, ya know...that part that always SHOULD'VE gone at the front?!


(I wonder if you admit he made alcohol as his first public ministry, or do you try to apologize that obvious story away?)


The Yeshua/Jesus that I've come to know, after many years of study and many MORE of applied mysticism...which is nothing scary, just an HONEST description of life in the flow of the Holy Spirit...is at his core a servant-leader. To be sure, he spoke of this paradigm very often, since even the twelve dudes who partied with him constantly never quite 'got it'. Sounds like you don't, either, so no worries, you're in good company.


Give me some of your large words that most cannot follow...what about this manifestation? As often as I turn my face towards the Maker and open communications, powerful positive things happen through and around me. Nothing that I will, save my will yielded to the One Who Made It All responding to the seeming co-incidences presented to me.

I can tell you honestly that when I 'feed' my carnal nature, then I am distracted enough to not be used or useful to the Maker. But the cycle of forgiveness is constant, for to me repentance is both turning FROM the distractions of the world and simultaneously turning TO the Peace, Safety, Comfort, and regenerative Love of what you call God.



Nah, you religiobots are too predictable. I was THERE, living in the same box you choose to stick within...it's not the freeing place they promised, man, it is more likely an abomination to the Maker. Especially if you've got your own recreation center, coffee house, and school attached to your church. The Maker has NEVER allowed any group dedicated to Him to remain separated from society for very long. Wait another month until your next pastor is found to be merely human...and the place shakes in its foundations.



The church is anywhere more than one believer stops and pauses to wash another's feet. The world sticks to us as we merely walk around...things like grandly aggressive carnalities and distractions from the Maker. We should be washing this grunge off each other, but you'd rather argue who is the more 'right' with the Maker.


You need to go jump in a river, fellow. Baptize yourself again, because something is sticking to you that really stinks. It is a religious spirit, I should've noticed the stench of ancient language first...



Cheers anyways, hopefully these words land on some fertile ground somewhere. Maybe someone will water the sprouts if they take.
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John,

There is no way for you to "feed your carnal nature" and still Abide With God. I KNOW this from 26 years of Abiding With God everyday.

You took a lot of time to write all you did above, but none of it rings true with me.

Carnality is the natural-man or original-sin nature; think of it as being self-centered rather than In-Accord With God. If you are carnal, you are alienated from God. Can't just play HIM like a revolving door, you have to Trust God Fully to Guide your life. If you revert to carnality you reject HIM.

That is what I Know and was Shown.


If you ever want to accept God on HIS Terms, HE Really IS the same Being that Knew Abraham, Moses, all the Prophets and Sent Christ Jesus to be the Propitiation for all sins. HE Sent Christ to die for us so HE Could KNOW us Personally and Directly. Many tens of thousands have witnessed of Christ and The Father since HIS Resurrection. Their witness is True.


God has not changed anything this close to the end of The Age Of Faith. Anyone who wants to Come Unto HIM still can and will still do so as all others ever did.


Wish you all HIS Best!
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So, you are saying that you have found some way to exit your flesh and still live on this earth? This would be a nice trick.


There is NO way one can escape our carnal nature, but it can be greatly enhanced when we choose to allow the Spirit to flow through us. We can struggle and fight to put it down, as Paul said in so many sadomasochistic terms (and I understand his frustrations fully, at least he was aware of the 'thorn' in his flesh) or we can gleefully ignore it to our peril.


It sounds suspiciously like you are ignoring yours. C.S. Lewis spoke about Xtians that way, those who deny their true natures wear the cover like believers, while failing to ever see what others realize within five minutes of meeting them. And they get that whole 'judging' warning wrong!



I am simply honest with myself. Most of Christianity, as I saw it from within, is conflicted in denial...like yourself.


You are misled and highly misunderstand our very basic nature, and what happens when we're birthed in the Spirit.

If you think that you can STOP sinning (or offending or ignoring) the God-Being while you are still alive, you are so far gone in your religious spirit you may not be salvageable.

You are not IMMUNE to doing wrong or misunderstanding or being distracted by your own ego after being birthed in the Holy Spirit. The common proof against that in Hebrews is greatly misapplied. Don't make me go all chapter and verse on you, if you've studied the book you know exactly what I'm talking about.



You only fail to understand what I have written because I refuse to use your big religious terms...all of that exegesis is worth NOTHING if you have a clouded mind which only listens to ancient language or worse...only that from other (usually quite shallow) religious minds. You have only seemed an attempt to remove yourself from the world, that much is obvious because you dared to quote something that contained language which is dead...and that is contrary to the Maker, who is very much alive and uses MODERN language to convey messages to MODERN people living today. (of this I have little doubt, since I've heard from Him, but I'm sure this fact won't derail your hard-lining this discussion even further with inanities and inaccuracies!)


I don't believe the Maker wants us to be away from the world, if we all choose to do so, then little good work will be done among those who need it most. Little of God's LOVE will be shared with those who do not know it yet.



Once again, of course you won't understand what I say, because you are tainted by a religious spirit, NOT one from the Good team because of its fruits. You are stuck being religious when the Creator wants you engaging in life with everyone else! Don't just look down your nose to see if someone is good enough first...

...because that is not any way Jesus/Yeshua acted (other than that ONE instance when he fretted about wasting stuff on dogs, and I'm wondering if this is one such similar moment...h-m-m-n-n...no doubt your religious spirit is whispering the same into YOUR ear right now, too!).



Cheers anyways, here's to hoping you understand someday...



...and what IF Jesus is merely the doorman to heaven? It fits his insistence that we learn to be like him in his defined role as SERVANT LEADER. I stand on faith saying that Yeshua/Jesus is holding the door or gate to heaven open for ALL mankind. Because that is what the good book says.

I do NOT go around telling unbelievers they HAVE to believe my way in order to get in, because I do not think that is so...since there are MANY people who live and die never hearing about this enigmatic man who by all indications was at least part God-like Being, too. But I will help those believers who are stuck in some shadowy taint who are not really doing the Lord's work on the Earth during this incarnation, if they totally misrepresent my Savior then they get increased attention.

Just like the teachers of the law in Jesus' time, they were supposed to know better, but never showed those in their flock how EASY it is to fulfill the law. To be with the Maker and to have His Unending Powerful LOVE flow though them into a very needy world. You need to simply do a study on how Jesus/Yeshua spoke against the hypocrisy of the Pharisees, because you might just be a modern one.


Funny that Jesus never called himself God either, he seemed to always refer to his HUMANITY. Son of Man, if I recall correctly...

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BTW, I see throughout the entire holy book of the Christians PROOF that the One Who Made All Things learns and grows from creation.


He learned that even the second-class of sentient beings He made would listen to the worst of the first.

He had already learned quite a lesson from that ex-top angel.

Went from communing together with Adam and Eve in the garden to needing to hide behind some nuclear shielding in the Ark.

At least twice in the OT, he was argued away from acting a certain way against humanity. Wrestled with one guy, then bargained with another. Both sought to change God's mind, and they did.

They TAUGHT Him something from a perspective He hadn't quite investigated before.


Then for generations, only ONE king or judge would be the go-between...what did God learn then? That He didn't really want to deal with all of us at the same time?!


(oh, and don't get me started on the man after God's own heart, who sent the husband of some foxy lady to the front lines so he could personally console the new widow...if the story of David isn't proof about how God accepts and loves us in our mere humanity, then nothing will convince you)



At some point, God had to push the reset button and wipe most of humanity off the planet. I believe it is past that time once again.


He LEARNED that the very inventive and creative humans He made were very capable of doing things which went beyond what He wanted to tolerate.




So, yeah, this whole teaching that God knows everything...including each of our reactions (being that we're first UNbound in total Free Will, and driven by our God-likeness of creativity and uniqueness)...surely MUST be wrong.


Either that, or the Bible is wrong. I can see no reconciliation between the two, but can see what happens when humans accept this teaching without truly considering it!



Cheers

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Please be more specific.


Us ALL?



I cannot imagine that, or the World would be in FAR worse shape than it is now.
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