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Family house up in flames while Firefighters watch! over a $$75 dollar fee

 
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Family house up in flames while Firefighters watch! over a $$75 dollar fee
The point is, this guy offered to pay whatever fee they required right there, before the flames engulfed his house, instead the firefighters just watched it slowly overtake his home. I am pissed....including addresses phone numbers etc soon


Cranick lives outside of the city limits and he admits that he forgot to pay a $75 annual service fee that would have provided him with fire protection. Firefighters wouldn't lift a finger, much less the hoses that might have saved the house.

The fire reportedly started in some barrels outside. As the flames crept closer to the home, Cranick says he offered to pay whatever it would take. The plea fell on deaf ears. Hours later, the home was gone.

So were three dogs and a cat.

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that is a total and UTTER disgrace!
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Dayummm!
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numbers and emails below

South Fulton Fire Dept
Non-emergency Calls

731.479.0213


City Manager
Jeff Vowell
Phone Number

731.479.2151

Mayor David Neil Crocker
700 Milton Counce Drive

South Fulton, Tennessee 38257

731.479.2151


I for one will be callling all three of these bastards!
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BUMP.
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Why in the world would you have to pay a annual fee for the fire dept to come to your house.
Never heard of this before.
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that is a total and UTTER disgrace!
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Yeh, welcome to third world america! I mean the guy offered to pay the damn fee RIGHT THEN AND THERE.

The backward thinking, ignoramuses couldn't think for two seconds

ha, if this were my family house, where my kids and animals live, would I want some one to accept my payment now and put out the damn fire and chalk it up to lesson learned? Yes. Talk about selfish, ignorant fools!

They should ALL be fired! Period!
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... oh yep ... AFTER the fire THEN pay? ...
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... sorry ... but before these folks had NO OPPORTUNITY for fire protection ...
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... the $75 was a necessary UP-FRONT money for a location that had NO FIRE DEPARTMENT of it's own ...
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A libertarian dream.
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Why in the world would you have to pay a annual fee for the fire dept to come to your house.
Never heard of this before.
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... live in TN and you will understand ... OH is the same ... and probably KY ...
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... used to live in OH ... but was able to get back to home state ...
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I mean, there is the law and then there is the "intent of the law". I don't think the intent of the law was to allow a family home to go up in smokes while able bodied, firefighters sat around watching it snickering like damn fools!

Karma - is going to be one hell of a kicker for all those foolish, foolish men!
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Re: Family house up in flames while Firefighters watch! over a $$75 dollar fee
If they didn't do that, less people would pay the $75 fee next year.

Now more people will pay it even if they raise the fee.

Professional firefighters can be quite different from the volunteer firefighters you may know as friends and neighbors. I used to live in a town with both volunteer and professional firefighters sharing the same fire house. They did not get along.

I'm feel fortunate that I now live in a town with all volunteer firefighters and we have adequate coverage from them so we don't need professionals. Knock-on-wood that will continue here!

PS I wonder if the homeowners had fire insurance, and if so, if they violated the covenants of that insurance by not paying the service fee.
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Well, a lot of you don't want "socialist" government, what do you think most fire departments are? Keep screaming for less government, this is what you're going to get, more of this kind of stuff happening.

A fee for fire department services?? Pretty soon, there'll be fees for police dept., ambulances, etc. Is this what you want? How about if you didn't have the money to pay for these services?

You all scream and bitch and moan about "sociaism" well, a lot of our services are considered "socialist" and maintained and paid for by taxes you pay. Without it, there would be anarchy. Without some form of government, there would be anarchy.

I do agree though this is a tragedy that should not have happened. But if you keep whining we'll see more of this happening.
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Sad day when a group of firefighters stand around and watch a home burn to the ground...and because of $75??

Hope there is at least some legal recourse for the owner.
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... oh yep ... AFTER the fire THEN pay? ...
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... sorry ... but before these folks had NO OPPORTUNITY for fire protection ...
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... the $75 was a necessary UP-FRONT money for a location that had NO FIRE DEPARTMENT of it's own ...
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You're an idiot! It would be one thing if they had not already gone to the damn fire - but the fact that they were THERE...and then were soo inflexible , so self-righteous , so ignorant and foolish is jsut PATHETIC!

You are wrong. just plain wrong. I suppose these same fire men would be ok to allow someone to die in the fire as well - over a 75 dollar fee?

Your logic is just as ignorant and immature as those fire men who allowed the house to burn. Grow up!
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As tragic as the story is, the fire fighters did the right thing. There were no people in the structure to obligate them morally to rescue. If the firefighters would have put out the fire, next year no one would have payed their fee. This area had NO coverage previous and was added as an option with the fee to this area. If the man was my neighbor, and couldn't afford to pay the fee, I would have helped him out, and asked my church and other neighbors to help out to. This is insurance. This is a great example of what will happen with the "no pre-conditions" health care bill. You have no health care, you get sick, you immediately get coverage, health care business looses money and closes hospitals. Do you want broke fire departments with no equipment?
Now call me a hater, I suppose, but is there a fund set up for the family so we can donate?

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Ayn Rand Conservatism at Work -- Firefighters Let Family's House Burn Down Because Owner Didn't Pay $75 Fee
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I'd love to hear the other side of the story. My guess is that the fire was way past the barrels and well into the roof by the time they arrived. Or maybe the firefighters were willing, but their regs stated it was illegal for them to trespass without the fee being registered.

Because no firefighter I know (and I'm engaged to one) would give a rat's ass about a stupid fee, especially if a pet's life were on the line. They would give a rat's ass about being fired, though, if county regs had their hands tied.

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If you go to the hospital with cancer and you don't have health insurance they won't treat you. That's even more outrageous than this story.
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If they didn't do that, less people would pay the $75 fee next year.

Now more people will pay it even if they raise the fee.

Professional firefighters can be quite different from the volunteer firefighters you may know as friends and neighbors. I used to live in a town with both volunteer and professional firefighters sharing the same fire house. They did not get along.

I'm feel fortunate that I now live in a town with all volunteer firefighters and we have adequate coverage from them so we don't need professionals. Knock-on-wood that will continue here!

PS I wonder if the homeowners had fire insurance, and if so, if they violated the covenants of that insurance by not paying the service fee.
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Of course they don't get along, volunteers keep professionals from being hired full-time. Volunteer Fire Depts are a disaster waiting to happen.
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privatized solutions are too costly, too exclusive, too limited.

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Re: Family house up in flames while Firefighters watch! over a $$75 dollar fee
If they didn't do that, less people would pay the $75 fee next year.

Now more people will pay it even if they raise the fee.

Professional firefighters can be quite different from the volunteer firefighters you may know as friends and neighbors. I used to live in a town with both volunteer and professional firefighters sharing the same fire house. They did not get along.

I'm feel fortunate that I now live in a town with all volunteer firefighters and we have adequate coverage from them so we don't need professionals. Knock-on-wood that will continue here!

PS I wonder if the homeowners had fire insurance, and if so, if they violated the covenants of that insurance by not paying the service fee.
 Quoting: oniongrass



NO, a better solution is not an either or mentality that backs everyone into resorting to inflexible moranic behaviors. A reasonable thing, IF the point is to set and example - would be to bill the family twice or 3 times as much for the same service - sure, have a penalty, but don't allow a home to go up in flames when you have the means to save it! That's just evil -plain and simple. Ignorance at it's worst.

I keep wondering. What is the IQ of those firefighters.
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If you go to the hospital with cancer and you don't have health insurance they won't treat you. That's even more outrageous than this story.
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Yes but God forbid we have a conscience. The Tea-Baggers would have it everyman for themselves. Until they get the shit end of it and ride around on their medicare scooters.
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I can not understand how they could just stand there and do nothing.

That's like a doctor standing there and doing nothing because the person does not have health care.

Those firefighter need to be fired and the law that allows this to happen needs to be changed.

I am disgusted that this goes on.

I mean isn't this service covered in your taxes.
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get this!

the firetrucks must have spent well over 75 dollars to get to the home,

and then refuse to put out the fire?

what kind of a firefighters are these?

WTF?

oh well, it´s economic hard times and they were trying to teach the pulic a lesson so they can keep their jos at all costs,

as far as i know that is not the american way,

that is just plain indecent,

don´t we hold the firefighters up like heroes?

not these chumps,

they are crooks,
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As tragic as the story is, the fire fighters did the right thing. There were no people in the structure to obligate them morally to rescue. If the firefighters would have put out the fire, next year no one would have payed their fee. This area had NO coverage previous and was added as an option with the fee to this area. If the man was my neighbor, and couldn't afford to pay the fee, I would have helped him out, and asked my church and other neighbors to help out to. This is insurance. This is a great example of what will happen with the "no pre-conditions" health care bill. You have no health care, you get sick, you immediately get coverage, health care business looses money and closes hospitals. Do you want broke fire departments with no equipment?
Now call me a hater, I suppose, but is there a fund set up for the family so we can donate?
 Quoting: 306633



Your "logic" is the same foolishness that had that elderly man die freezing to death in his home because he didn't pay the electric bill? There are STILL certain things in THIS life that are more important than money

such as - life, health, home!!!!

so yeh, I won't hate on you. I just question your empathy, your intelligence and your maturity - that's all
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Re: Family house up in flames while Firefighters watch! over a $$75 dollar fee
get this!

the firetrucks must have spent well over 75 dollars to get to the home,

and then refuse to put out the fire?

what kind of a firefighters are these?

WTF?

oh well, it´s economic hard times and they were trying to teach the pulic a lesson so they can keep their jos at all costs,

as far as i know that is not the american way,

that is just plain indecent,

don´t we hold the firefighters up like heroes?

not these chumps,

they are crooks,
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You worry about your own shithole down south, we'll take care of ours.
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Re: Family house up in flames while Firefighters watch! over a $$75 dollar fee
the firetrucks must have spent well over 75 dollars to get to the home,

and then refuse to put out the fire?

what kind of a firefighters are these?

WTF?


 Quoting: mr...bojangles

They came to protect the neighbor's property who had payed the fee
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what kind of a firefighters are these?


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Objectivist, Tea-Bagging Fire fighters, who should relieved of their duties.
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privatized solutions are too costly, too exclusive, too limited.

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That's not the point, just that 'Libertarians' and Randians are dishonest. It's not about net costs, but disparity. Those at the top want there to be a big gap between them and everybody else.

So they pay $30K in private school fees rather than an extra $4K in yearly taxes to improve public schools, in their world countries the rich pay more in security protection than they do in paying Western tax rates, etc...
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I can not understand how they could just stand there and do nothing.

That's like a doctor standing there and doing nothing because the person does not have health care.

Those firefighter need to be fired and the law that allows this to happen needs to be changed.

I am disgusted that this goes on.

I mean isn't this service covered in your taxes.
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No its not covered in your taxes. Firefighters are a city expense and paid for with local taxes. If you live outside the city limits then you are not paying those taxes and generally are not covered by the fire department.

In this case the fire department has a separate policy you can buy for $75 which will pay for your protection. The people did not want to pay it thus the fire department didnt respond.

Same with life insurance, you think an insurance company will let you pay after someone dies so you can receive benefits?

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