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Black Judge Rejects Plea Deal For "White Boy." Says Black's Would Be Much Worse

 
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Re: Black Judge Rejects Plea Deal For "White Boy." Says Black's Would Be Much Worse
well the judge excused himself from the case and the kid got the deal

but the judge is right. If this guy was black he would never had gotten the same deal, and the officer would never have agreed to it

From my personal experience, a middle eastern friend of mine (who's of black African origin) was in a car with 4 other middle easterners. A cop stopped them and all of them laughed between each other. The cop, however, only signaled out the black guy, told him to step out of the car even though he wasn't the driver, and when he was out and he asked the cop why he was being asked to step out the cop immediately went to his gun and almost took it out, before my friend's "ok ok" and silence made the cop change his mind.

They were stopped for speeding, were not drunk, and had nothing illegal in the car. They all laughed like the black guy, yet the officer only chose him, and then threatened him with his gun without due justification.

If it was this cop who was involved with this case, and the defendant was a black guy, the officer would never have agreed to the deal and it would have been put off.

Conclusion: The "law and order" in this country is definitely geared against blacks
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well the judge excused himself from the case and the kid got the deal

but the judge is right. If this guy was black he would never had gotten the same deal, and the officer would never have agreed to it

From my personal experience, a middle eastern friend of mine (who's of black African origin) was in a car with 4 other middle easterners. A cop stopped them and all of them laughed between each other. The cop, however, only signaled out the black guy, told him to step out of the car even though he wasn't the driver, and when he was out and he asked the cop why he was being asked to step out the cop immediately went to his gun and almost took it out, before my friend's "ok ok" and silence made the cop change his mind.

They were stopped for speeding, were not drunk, and had nothing illegal in the car. They all laughed like the black guy, yet the officer only chose him, and then threatened him with his gun without due justification.

If it was this cop who was involved with this case, and the defendant was a black guy, the officer would never have agreed to the deal and it would have been put off.

Conclusion: The "law and order" in this country is definitely geared against blacks
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True, but one thing you have forgotten to mention. After 40+ years of being in a vicious circle of commiting most of the violent crimes in the nation and being viewed(rightfully or not) as being prone to commiting violent crimes, one would think that black communities would take a much more agressive stance to keeping thier own out of trouble. Sadly this does not seemt to be acheivable for them.
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"but the judge is right. If this guy was black he would never had gotten the same deal, and the officer would never have agreed to it"

That's nothing but pure speculation. In other words, grade A BULL SH*T
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well the judge excused himself from the case and the kid got the deal

but the judge is right. If this guy was black he would never had gotten the same deal, and the officer would never have agreed to it

From my personal experience, a middle eastern friend of mine (who's of black African origin) was in a car with 4 other middle easterners. A cop stopped them and all of them laughed between each other. The cop, however, only signaled out the black guy, told him to step out of the car even though he wasn't the driver, and when he was out and he asked the cop why he was being asked to step out the cop immediately went to his gun and almost took it out, before my friend's "ok ok" and silence made the cop change his mind.

They were stopped for speeding, were not drunk, and had nothing illegal in the car. They all laughed like the black guy, yet the officer only chose him, and then threatened him with his gun without due justification.

If it was this cop who was involved with this case, and the defendant was a black guy, the officer would never have agreed to the deal and it would have been put off.

Conclusion: The "law and order" in this country is definitely geared against blacks



True, but one thing you have forgotten to mention. After 40+ years of being in a vicious circle of commiting most of the violent crimes in the nation and being viewed(rightfully or not) as being prone to commiting violent crimes, one would think that black communities would take a much more agressive stance to keeping thier own out of trouble. Sadly this does not seemt to be acheivable for them.
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So it's their fault they are treated unjustly because some elements of their community conform to your stereotypes???

Even if we assume blacks commit more crimes than whites (remember committing a crime is different than being caught for one - which is where the stats for criminal activity come from), how does that justify the treatment an individual receives from the justice system? How is it right to punish a black individual for the wrongs of the black community by treating him or her differently than treating a white individual who, aside from his or her race, is equivalent in everything else with the black individual with respect to the law???
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Blind Justice? Not in this case the judge has used opinion to define law. He cannot hide behind "just telling you what my observation is" , as he isn't simply expressing opinion but rather acting within his role as a legal representative.
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"but the judge is right. If this guy was black he would never had gotten the same deal, and the officer would never have agreed to it"

That's nothing but pure speculation. In other words, grade A BULL SH*T
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oh of course America is over racism now that she has a black president (who's half white but everyone seems to forget that) and so it's impossible that blacks would be treated differently than whites, regardless of all the anecdotes you hear about how a black person was treated by the justice system.

Honestly, have you ever attended a court proceeding??

I did, and so many others I know did.

Here's a nice story, it's about a Mexican guy this time though.

My friend and the Mexican had the same issue, reckless driving if I remember correctly, but my friend got a way more lenient sentence than my friend. My friend actually told how he got scared by the rough way the judge spoke with the Mexican, who was before him, but then when my friend's turn came up the judge was very friendly with him and let him off easily.

But then again, I'd imagine this to be the way your responding to this info lala
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Blind Justice? Not in this case the judge has used opinion to define law. He cannot hide behind "just telling you what my observation is" , as he isn't simply expressing opinion but rather acting within his role as a legal representative.
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Common law is judge made law, not a compilation of written statutes, and in the end it boils down to the opinion of the judge presiding on the case.

And legally judges are not required to accept any plea agreement and can reject them for no reason, so he wasn't hiding behind anything when he stated his opinion since he didn't need to state one in the first place.
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Re: Black Judge Rejects Plea Deal For "White Boy." Says Black's Would Be Much Worse
"but the judge is right. If this guy was black he would never had gotten the same deal, and the officer would never have agreed to it"

That's nothing but pure speculation. In other words, grade A BULL SH*T


oh of course America is over racism now that she has a black president (who's half white but everyone seems to forget that) and so it's impossible that blacks would be treated differently than whites, regardless of all the anecdotes you hear about how a black person was treated by the justice system.

Honestly, have you ever attended a court proceeding??

I did, and so many others I know did.

Here's a nice story, it's about a Mexican guy this time though.

My friend and the Mexican had the same issue, reckless driving if I remember correctly, but my friend got a way more lenient sentence than my friend. My friend actually told how he got scared by the rough way the judge spoke with the Mexican, who was before him, but then when my friend's turn came up the judge was very friendly with him and let him off easily.

But then again, I'd imagine this to be the way your responding to this info lala
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Whatever. Typically brown people have longer rap sheets so judges tend to be more strict in those cases.
Think the judicial system is racist? Don't do the crime! Pretty simple, huh?
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Re: Black Judge Rejects Plea Deal For "White Boy." Says Black's Would Be Much Worse
So it's their fault they are treated unjustly because some elements of their community conform to your stereotypes???

Even if we assume blacks commit more crimes than whites (remember committing a crime is different than being caught for one - which is where the stats for criminal activity come from), how does that justify the treatment an individual receives from the justice system? How is it right to punish a black individual for the wrongs of the black community by treating him or her differently than treating a white individual who, aside from his or her race, is equivalent in everything else with the black individual with respect to the law???
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Quite a leap there assuming those are my stereotypes.

Well, I’ll play. First there really is no assumption. In looking at data from race, social, economic, and faith back grounds, they do come out in the lead for violent crimes. It sucks but you really can’t argue the numbers.

Second, there is NO difference for committing a crime and being caught. Crime is crime. If you don’t get that you are already behind the game.

The punishment has nothing to do with the black community, it has to do with the dumb@ss who committed the crime.

Perhaps the white kid was a first offence, no prior, and had a good standing in the community, (volunteer, had a job, something of that nature). There are a lot of outside factors that play into this neither you or I are aware of.
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