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State of Aether in Magnetic Fields: by Albert Einstein

 
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Meantime, I'm curious to know more about this combustion shroud, and where some of these ideas you've posted originate please
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I assume you are talking to me. I have no idea what you are talking about with this combustion shroud. It is not a term used in the scientific community.

The main ideas of stellar nucleosynthesis were developed in 1957 by Burbidge, Burbidge, Fowler, and Hoyle and the ideas are aviable in any introductory astronomy text. You can also start with wikipedia [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Meantime, I'm curious to know more about this combustion shroud, and where some of these ideas you've posted originate please



I assume you are talking to me. I have no idea what you are talking about with this combustion shroud. It is not a term used in the scientific community.

The main ideas of stellar nucleosynthesis were developed in 1957 by Burbidge, Burbidge, Fowler, and Hoyle and the ideas are aviable in any introductory astronomy text. You can also start with wikipedia [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Celtic was referring to Just a Dude's post...
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Celtic was referring to Just a Dude's post...
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Yep..
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combustion shroud: chronosphere/corona/plasma

Some of these ideas I've posted previously in various threads and using different language. I always find some terminology to be self-limiting so I try to use more generic terms. I do have a science background but try to keep things in layman terms. Love to pull concepts from esoteria to justify the physics -) And all the while trying to make linguistic sense of some of my visions and experiences...

I'm a nut, trust me I know.
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Ok, thanks, Just a Dude

Terms like combustion 'shroud' imply that there's something unexplained going on underneath, or of something we can only theorize about

ie, they make me wary of the theories they support

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I'm a nut, trust me I know.
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Nah, man, a multi-pronged approach is good imho
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sick scent, can u repost your nasa ufo thread you started a year or so but updated today? it's gone and i want to look at it again. ty!
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sickscent, how did nasa have this up and running in 1988?

An electrodynamic model of the Galactic center

Abstract
Molecular clouds moving at Keplerian velocities can induce strong electric fields in ionized regions near the Galactic center. The v x B induced field can drive currents over equivalent circuits of about 100 pc along the highly ordered magnetic fields, B of about 0.001 G. Such current paths drive low-level ion acoustic turbulence, providing a resistance in the circuit. Small magnetic pinches form which are generally kink unstable but which can organize into larger, long-lived structures. Ohmic losses are energetically important in the molecular clouds, where high-density regions should be most luminous. Electrons can accelerate in the induced fields to relativistic energies, yielding the radio luminosity. Electrodynamic flares may occur on year time scales. Such electrodynamic deceleration of clouds can powerfully increase accretion toward galactic centers and enhance their luminosities.

[link to adsabs.harvard.edu]
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sickscent, how did nasa have this up and running in 1988?
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no black hole oops!!

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sickscent, how did nasa have this up and running in 1988?

no black hole oops!!

unhappy
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Nicely done.
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Dr. Nikolai A. Kozyrev is my favorite (Einstein borrowed something here)
[link to divinecosmos.com]
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Kozyrevs concept of time:
[link to www.chronos.msu.ru]
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In researching more of SickScent's information here, I've come across this website which talks about how plasma (Aether) can twist and shift suddenly. Maybe it's related? Hopefully some of you will understand it better and have more insight.

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plasma is not the aether
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Indeed they are considered as to different things. Plasma is a ion cloud, or even perhaps a partricle cloud, such as an electron cloud, or proton cloud, neturon cloud, or even positron cloud, perhaps a neutrino cloud. Is there a photon cloud?

The Aether is what those clouds 'live' in and those plasma could be seen metaphorically as the localized 'weather systems' of the Aether.
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From 'The Velikovsky Encyclopedia'

[link to www.velikovsky.info]

'Ralph E. Juergens (6 May 1924 - 2 November 1979)[1] is notable for his contributions documenting the so-called "Velikovsky Affair",[2] with co-authors Alfred de Grazia and Livio Stecchini. He subsequently developed of a hypothesis in which the Sun and stars are electrically powered, contrary to the standard view that the Sun powered by nuclear fusion. While the "Electric Sun" hypothesis has received unfavourable review,[3], it has become a core component of the non-mainstream Electric Universe hypothesis.[4]'

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Article on "The Electric Sun"
by Ralph E. Juergens


[link to www.kronos-press.com]

* Stellar Thermonuclear Energy: A False Trail?
From, Kronos Vol. IV No. 4 (Summer 1979)

* The Photosphere: Is It the Top or the Bottom of the Phenomenon We Call the Sun?
From Kronos Vol. IV No. 4 (Summer 1979)

* Electric Discharge as the Source of Solar Radiant Energy (Part I)
From Kronos Vol. VIII No. 1 (Fall 1982)

* Electric Discharge as the Source of Solar Radiant Energy (Part II)
From Kronos Vol. VIII No. 2 (Winter 1983)

More articles on Electricity in Space
 Quoting: Celtic (woad-man)

The Electric Sun is acting as a plasma ball upon a certain denisty of matter, this matter acts as an anode (or cathode) that is only one part of the 'electric' plasma current. Think of the Sun as the ball inside a plasma globe. The question becomes what feeds the charge of the Sun so that it remains in effect? Where then is the 'ground state'?

I am getting my terms mixed up, sometime I really need to set down and write up my own views on this subject.

However, one can think of the Heliopause as a sort of outter shell of the Plasma Globe device, and the Sun as the center ball of that Plasma Globe device. The planets, comets, moons, and asteriods between the Sun and the Heliopause (helio-sphere?) then would act as sorts of passived 'grids' or 'screens' within the electric field and plasma current flow from the Sun out to the Heliopause. Operating much as a vacuum tube with bunchs of 'point grids' (planets, moons, asteroids, and comets). I say 'point grids' because they are not really 'grids or screens'. At some point in the thought with power supplied to the Sun and to the Heliopause, each planet then takes on a corresponding charge or potential within the Solar System's electric field.

The question then still remains as to where the source of the voltage potential comes from so that there exists a voltage difference between the outter shall (the heliopause) and the Sun. It is as if both the Heliopause and the Sun are tapped into some from of Zero Point Energy Radiation power source. The 'connection' to the Sun would seem to be situated at its center, perhaps, or on the solid matter surface far below the corona.

At any rate playing with a Plasma Globe is one way to begin to get some cognition one what is going on with plasma. They are very interesting devices.

To come to understand Einstein's work, it is necessary to back clear up to Nicholas of Cusa, then on to Kepler, then to Leibniz, on to Gauss, Weber, Ampre, then to Riemann and finally to Maxwell and Max Planck. One has to essentially abandon the 'English Empirist' doctrines and build upon the German Classists. In other words one has to throw out Newton all together.

What most do no realize when Kepler was discovering the prinicple of universal gravitation he at first played with the idea that perhaps the Sun and Earth were both poled magnetic spheres. Later upon further considerations he dropped that idea, never to pick up the magentics again. It was enough that he had felt he had discovered the universal physical principle governing planetary orbits which became terms as the Principle of Universal Gravitation. Kepler had done this long before the Apple Bonkers bonked Newton on the head and he 'discovered gravity' and worked up his 'Laws of Gravitation'. What Newton had developed was a form of "Virutal Reality" in which his Laws worked well enough for the needs of his day and time but then did very little to explain the underlying concepts and precepts and principles of gravity.

Both Kepler and Newton did in fact simply ignore the Electrics, and both ignored the Magnetics, except foe Kepler's little side-trip of toying around with magnetics being the governing principle for the orbits.

Today we are still searching for a unification of Gravitics, Electrics, and Magnetics.
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Maybe if it's not the same thing, maybe it just has similar properties? I think it relates.


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Not really. Plasma is an ionized gas, basically it is protons and electrons, ordinary matter. Aristotle called the aether as the as a fifth elements (in addition to air, water, earth, and fire) which did not have normal properties (hot, cold, etc.) The classic definition of the aether refers to the luminiferous aether which is the medium that allows the propagation of light. Michelson and Morley showed there was no evidence to support the existence of the aether, even though they believed it existed and were searching for it. Einstein’s theories did away with the need for the luminiferous aether once and for all. Occasionally aether theories are put forth to try to explain some phenomenon for which we have a poor understanding. These however tend to be arguments from ignorance and have not been shown to have real explanatory power beyond their ad hoc use.
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Fire is plasma.

I think you need to go back and re-read Aristotle. His 5th element was Light. But I may be mistaken.

The question of what media light propagates through is still an open question. Given the 'classic definition of the aether' the M&M experiments did show that such did not exist, as it was defined as the "Luminiferous Aether". Yet some other operational definition of an Aether still must be found as light must move through something, even if it is only the so called 'vacuum of free space'. The definitions of the 'vacuum of free space' have contained in the the electric and the magnetic dipoles of permissivity and permutability.

My point is that in discussing all of this topic and its related topics, it remains highly important to keep all the terms and their respective operational definitions straight amongst all the various schools of thought. Otherwise one ends up comparing apples to triangles.
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Light must move through 'something' otherwise we have no way of measuring its velocity, if it does not move through 'something' then perhaps it does not move at all, and then the speed of light would be Zero. Light must move through something. But what is LIGHT? Is it streams of Photons, is it Waves of Photons, or is Light merely the emerging manifestation of some deeper level and structure of principle yet unknown?
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Light must move through 'something' otherwise we have no way of measuring its velocity, if it does not move through 'something' then perhaps it does not move at all, and then the speed of light would be Zero. Light must move through something. But what is LIGHT? Is it streams of Photons, is it Waves of Photons, or is Light merely the emerging manifestation of some deeper level and structure of principle yet unknown?
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Light cannot be seen, it can only be known. Light is still. The sense of sight cannot respond to stillness. That which the eyes "feel" and believe to be Light is but wave motion simulating the idea of Light. Like all things else in this electric wave universe the idea of Light cannot be produced. Electric waves simulate idea only. They do not become idea. When man sees the light of the sun he believes that he is actually seeing light when the nerves of his eyes are but "feeling" the intense, rapid, short- wave vibrations of the kind of wave motion which he senses as incandescence. The intensely vibrant electric current mirrored into the senses of the eyes fairly burns them. They cannot stand that high rate of vibration. The eyes would be destroyed by such a vibration but light would not be the cause of that destruction. Fast motion, simulating light, would be the cause. It would be like sending a high voltage electric current over a wire, so fine that the current would burn it out.
Man likewise cannot see darkness. The nerves of his eyes, which sense motion, slow down to a rate of vibration that he can no longer "feel."
Man is so accustomed to the idea that he actually sees light in various intensities illuminating various substances to greater or lesser degree that it is difficult for him to realize that his own senses are but acting as mirrors to reflect various intensities of wave motion. But that is all that is happening.

Every electrically conditioned thing in Nature reflects the vibrations of every other thing, to fulfill its desire to synchronize its vibrations with every other thing. All matter is the motion of light. All motion is expressed in waves. All light waves are mirrors that reflect each other's condition unto the farthermost star.

This is an electrically conditioned wave universe. All wave conditions are forever seeking oneness. For this reason all sensation responds to all other sensation.
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we will explain this together rockon
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I think you need to go back and re-read Aristotle. His 5th element was Light. But I may be mistaken.

The question of what media light propagates through is still an open question. Given the 'classic definition of the aether' the M&M experiments did show that such did not exist, as it was defined as the "Luminiferous Aether". Yet some other operational definition of an Aether still must be found as light must move through something, even if it is only the so called 'vacuum of free space'. The definitions of the 'vacuum of free space' have contained in the the electric and the magnetic dipoles of permissivity and permutability.

My point is that in discussing all of this topic and its related topics, it remains highly important to keep all the terms and their respective operational definitions straight amongst all the various schools of thought. Otherwise one ends up comparing apples to triangles.
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Aristotle referred to the fifth element as “quintessence” literally meaning fifth essence. Nothing on Earth was made of quintessence; it could only be found in the heavenly bodies beyond the Moon. The Moon actually sat on the boundary and contained some quintessence but also contained the imperfect elements earth, water, air, and fire. Quintessence was perfect. One of the properties of quintessence was that it executed perfect, uniform, circular motion. Quintessence exists outside the material world which is why it is not found on Earth.

Light does not need a medium to propogate.
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plasma is not the aether

Indeed they are considered as to different things. Plasma is a ion cloud, or even perhaps a partricle cloud, such as an electron cloud, or proton cloud, neturon cloud, or even positron cloud, perhaps a neutrino cloud. Is there a photon cloud?

The Aether is what those clouds 'live' in and those plasma could be seen metaphorically as the localized 'weather systems' of the Aether.
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Plasma is an ionized gas. Photons are not charged hence cannot be a plasma.

The aether is an old idea that has been replaced by more advanced theories. There is no aether.

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Jaroslav Kopernicky , who proves that the attractive force between two magnets is greater than their repulsive force, which disproves Coulomb's Law. And it suggests that the attractive force of gravity is this difference between attractive and repulsive forces in magnetic fields. Since magnetic fields are created by electric fields, gravity must be an electrical effect.
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Magnetricity - Leedskalnin,

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Magnetricity - Leedskalnin,

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oooh, have to add that to my collection! Thanks
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As far as I know the only static electrical or magnetic forces are generated by matter. They only exist as oscillating potentials (photons) in the absence at rest mass.
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As far as I know the only static electrical or magnetic forces are generated by matter. They only exist as oscillating potentials (photons) in the absence at rest mass.
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hmm

Contact Induced
Pressure Induced
Heat Induced
Charge Induced

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Not sure what you mean...
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Meaning.......

the existence of static electrical and magnetic forces are virtual. They appear static because of the construct of matter. I view them as the same force created by dual axis spin. In an oscillating sense they are orthogonal with respect to each other. Static fields are created in the interplay of captive photons in particles of matter.

cos^2 + sin^2 = 1 that sort of thing.

IMHO
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Meaning.......

the existence of static electrical and magnetic forces are virtual. They appear static because of the construct of matter. I view them as the same force created by dual axis spin. In an oscillating sense they are orthogonal with respect to each other. Static fields are created in the interplay of captive photons in particles of matter.

cos^2 + sin^2 = 1 that sort of thing.

IMHO
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Very interesting input. Thanks...
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Fifth element

In Plato's Timaeus (St-55c) Plato described aether as that which God used in the delineation of the universe. Aristotle (Plato's student at the Akademia) included aether in the system of the classical elements of Ionian philosophy as the "fifth element" (the quintessence), on the principle that the four terrestrial elements were subject to change and moved naturally in straight lines while no change had been observed in the celestial regions and the heavenly bodies moved in circles. In Aristotle's system aether had no qualities (was neither hot, cold, wet, or dry), was incapable of change (with the exception of change of place), and by its nature moved in circles, and had no contrary, or unnatural, motion (to be clearer, Aether did not have any properties: it was neither hot, cold, wet, or dry. It's natural motion was circular, and it does not have a contrary motion. Also, aether was supposed to be the heavens.[3] Medieval scholastic philosophers granted aether changes of density, in which the bodies of the planets were considered to be more dense than the medium which filled the rest of the universe.[4] Robert Fludd stated that the aether was of the character that it was "subtler than light". Fludd cites the 3rd century view of Plotinus, concerning the aether as penetrative and non-material.[5] See also Arche.
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Who is the "...prince of the power of the aether..."?