State of Aether in Magnetic Fields: by Albert Einstein

I assume you are talking to me. I have no idea what you are talking about with this combustion shroud. It is not a term used in the scientific community.

The main ideas of stellar nucleosynthesis were developed in 1957 by Burbidge, Burbidge, Fowler, and Hoyle and the ideas are aviable in any introductory astronomy text. You can also start with wikipedia [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Celtic was referring to Just a Dude's post...

Yep..

Ok, thanks, Just a Dude

Terms like combustion 'shroud' imply that there's something unexplained going on underneath, or of something we can only theorize about

ie, they make me wary of the theories they support

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Nah, man, a multi-pronged approach is good imho

sick scent, can u repost your nasa ufo thread you started a year or so but updated today? it's gone and i want to look at it again. ty!

sickscent, how did nasa have this up and running in 1988?

An electrodynamic model of the Galactic center

Abstract
Molecular clouds moving at Keplerian velocities can induce strong electric fields in ionized regions near the Galactic center. The v x B induced field can drive currents over equivalent circuits of about 100 pc along the highly ordered magnetic fields, B of about 0.001 G. Such current paths drive low-level ion acoustic turbulence, providing a resistance in the circuit. Small magnetic pinches form which are generally kink unstable but which can organize into larger, long-lived structures. Ohmic losses are energetically important in the molecular clouds, where high-density regions should be most luminous. Electrons can accelerate in the induced fields to relativistic energies, yielding the radio luminosity. Electrodynamic flares may occur on year time scales. Such electrodynamic deceleration of clouds can powerfully increase accretion toward galactic centers and enhance their luminosities.

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no black hole oops!!

:unhappy:

Nicely done.

Dr. Nikolai A. Kozyrev is my favorite (Einstein borrowed something here)
[link to divinecosmos.com]

Kozyrevs concept of time:
[link to www.chronos.msu.ru]

Indeed they are considered as to different things. Plasma is a ion cloud, or even perhaps a partricle cloud, such as an electron cloud, or proton cloud, neturon cloud, or even positron cloud, perhaps a neutrino cloud. Is there a photon cloud?

The Aether is what those clouds 'live' in and those plasma could be seen metaphorically as the localized 'weather systems' of the Aether.

The Electric Sun is acting as a plasma ball upon a certain denisty of matter, this matter acts as an anode (or cathode) that is only one part of the 'electric' plasma current. Think of the Sun as the ball inside a plasma globe. The question becomes what feeds the charge of the Sun so that it remains in effect? Where then is the 'ground state'?

I am getting my terms mixed up, sometime I really need to set down and write up my own views on this subject.

However, one can think of the Heliopause as a sort of outter shell of the Plasma Globe device, and the Sun as the center ball of that Plasma Globe device. The planets, comets, moons, and asteriods between the Sun and the Heliopause (helio-sphere?) then would act as sorts of passived 'grids' or 'screens' within the electric field and plasma current flow from the Sun out to the Heliopause. Operating much as a vacuum tube with bunchs of 'point grids' (planets, moons, asteroids, and comets). I say 'point grids' because they are not really 'grids or screens'. At some point in the thought with power supplied to the Sun and to the Heliopause, each planet then takes on a corresponding charge or potential within the Solar System's electric field.

The question then still remains as to where the source of the voltage potential comes from so that there exists a voltage difference between the outter shall (the heliopause) and the Sun. It is as if both the Heliopause and the Sun are tapped into some from of Zero Point Energy Radiation power source. The 'connection' to the Sun would seem to be situated at its center, perhaps, or on the solid matter surface far below the corona.

At any rate playing with a Plasma Globe is one way to begin to get some cognition one what is going on with plasma. They are very interesting devices.

To come to understand Einstein's work, it is necessary to back clear up to Nicholas of Cusa, then on to Kepler, then to Leibniz, on to Gauss, Weber, Ampre, then to Riemann and finally to Maxwell and Max Planck. One has to essentially abandon the 'English Empirist' doctrines and build upon the German Classists. In other words one has to throw out Newton all together.

What most do no realize when Kepler was discovering the prinicple of universal gravitation he at first played with the idea that perhaps the Sun and Earth were both poled magnetic spheres. Later upon further considerations he dropped that idea, never to pick up the magentics again. It was enough that he had felt he had discovered the universal physical principle governing planetary orbits which became terms as the Principle of Universal Gravitation. Kepler had done this long before the Apple Bonkers bonked Newton on the head and he 'discovered gravity' and worked up his 'Laws of Gravitation'. What Newton had developed was a form of "Virutal Reality" in which his Laws worked well enough for the needs of his day and time but then did very little to explain the underlying concepts and precepts and principles of gravity.

Both Kepler and Newton did in fact simply ignore the Electrics, and both ignored the Magnetics, except foe Kepler's little side-trip of toying around with magnetics being the governing principle for the orbits.

Today we are still searching for a unification of Gravitics, Electrics, and Magnetics.

Fire is plasma.

I think you need to go back and re-read Aristotle. His 5th element was Light. But I may be mistaken.

The question of what media light propagates through is still an open question. Given the 'classic definition of the aether' the M&M experiments did show that such did not exist, as it was defined as the "Luminiferous Aether". Yet some other operational definition of an Aether still must be found as light must move through something, even if it is only the so called 'vacuum of free space'. The definitions of the 'vacuum of free space' have contained in the the electric and the magnetic dipoles of permissivity and permutability.

My point is that in discussing all of this topic and its related topics, it remains highly important to keep all the terms and their respective operational definitions straight amongst all the various schools of thought. Otherwise one ends up comparing apples to triangles.

Light must move through 'something' otherwise we have no way of measuring its velocity, if it does not move through 'something' then perhaps it does not move at all, and then the speed of light would be Zero. Light must move through something. But what is LIGHT? Is it streams of Photons, is it Waves of Photons, or is Light merely the emerging manifestation of some deeper level and structure of principle yet unknown?

[link to www.philosophy.org]

we will explain this together

Aristotle referred to the fifth element as “quintessence” literally meaning fifth essence. Nothing on Earth was made of quintessence; it could only be found in the heavenly bodies beyond the Moon. The Moon actually sat on the boundary and contained some quintessence but also contained the imperfect elements earth, water, air, and fire. Quintessence was perfect. One of the properties of quintessence was that it executed perfect, uniform, circular motion. Quintessence exists outside the material world which is why it is not found on Earth.

Light does not need a medium to propogate.

Plasma is an ionized gas. Photons are not charged hence cannot be a plasma.

The aether is an old idea that has been replaced by more advanced theories. There is no aether.

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Magnetricity - Leedskalnin,

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oooh, have to add that to my collection! Thanks

As far as I know the only static electrical or magnetic forces are generated by matter. They only exist as oscillating potentials (photons) in the absence at rest mass.

Contact Induced
Pressure Induced
Heat Induced
Charge Induced
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Not sure what you mean...

Meaning.......

the existence of static electrical and magnetic forces are virtual. They appear static because of the construct of matter. I view them as the same force created by dual axis spin. In an oscillating sense they are orthogonal with respect to each other. Static fields are created in the interplay of captive photons in particles of matter.

cos^2 + sin^2 = 1 that sort of thing.

IMHO

Very interesting input. Thanks...

Fifth element

In Plato's Timaeus (St-55c) Plato described aether as that which God used in the delineation of the universe. Aristotle (Plato's student at the Akademia) included aether in the system of the classical elements of Ionian philosophy as the "fifth element" (the quintessence), on the principle that the four terrestrial elements were subject to change and moved naturally in straight lines while no change had been observed in the celestial regions and the heavenly bodies moved in circles. In Aristotle's system aether had no qualities (was neither hot, cold, wet, or dry), was incapable of change (with the exception of change of place), and by its nature moved in circles, and had no contrary, or unnatural, motion (to be clearer, Aether did not have any properties: it was neither hot, cold, wet, or dry. It's natural motion was circular, and it does not have a contrary motion. Also, aether was supposed to be the heavens.[3] Medieval scholastic philosophers granted aether changes of density, in which the bodies of the planets were considered to be more dense than the medium which filled the rest of the universe.[4] Robert Fludd stated that the aether was of the character that it was "subtler than light". Fludd cites the 3rd century view of Plotinus, concerning the aether as penetrative and non-material.[5] See also Arche.
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Who is the "...prince of the power of the aether..."?