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How Did They Train Everyone To Want a Job?

 
Evil Twin
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10/09/2010 06:55 PM
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Why are 90% of the people in the West perfectly content to be wage slaves?

What happened to the entrepreneur's spirit?

I've been self employed most of my life. I have taken employee positions a few times, briefly, when times were tight, but I hated every single minute of it.

I can't imagine being happy working for someone else my entire life.
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10/09/2010 07:00 PM
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By offering them so many products, and then making it look like all of the beautiful people have them.
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10/09/2010 07:00 PM
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100+ years ago in the USA, everyone wanted to be self sufficient, whether it was owning your own farm, or a small business. Nobody wanted to depend on someone else to make a living.
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10/09/2010 07:01 PM
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Why are 90% of the people in the West perfectly content to be wage slaves?

What happened to the entrepreneur's spirit?

I've been self employed most of my life. I have taken employee positions a few times, briefly, when times were tight, but I hated every single minute of it.

I can't imagine being happy working for someone else my entire life.
 Quoting: Evil Twin


Amen ET!
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10/09/2010 07:02 PM
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By offering them so many products, and then making it look like all of the beautiful people have them.
 Quoting: wil b wuz

So why work for a middleman that skims some of the profit for your labor?
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10/09/2010 07:02 PM
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Why are 90% of the people in the West perfectly content to be wage slaves?

What happened to the entrepreneur's spirit?

I've been self employed most of my life. I have taken employee positions a few times, briefly, when times were tight, but I hated every single minute of it.

I can't imagine being happy working for someone else my entire life.
 Quoting: Evil Twin



Some people don't feel the need to make a lot of money.
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10/09/2010 07:03 PM
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want a job? LOL

people are quite content being on welfare

let the good times roll rockon
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10/09/2010 07:05 PM
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I've been self employed most of my life. I have taken employee positions a few times, briefly, when times were tight, but I hated every single minute of it.

I can't imagine being happy working for someone else my entire life.
 Quoting: Evil Twin



Perhaps im wrong, but even if you are self employed , you are still working for someone else.

Now go ahead and ban me :}
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10/09/2010 07:06 PM
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I don't work right now. I have so much of everything it's ridiculous.

All I really need is a more reliable car. I can understand wanting things, but I ave literal multitudes of the same thing. I could start a store. Being unemployed the last year and a half shows me how much excess I really have that compensates for other types of emptiness. I think a lot of people cover sadness with stuff.
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10/09/2010 07:06 PM
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Public schools
Research Horace Mann and his ilk.


Also Prussian education system.


Sit down. Shut up. Don't question the system or you will be beaten.

Last Edited by Enaid on 10/09/2010 07:09 PM
Personal responsibility - try it sometime. Quit blaming others for your bad choices. Consequences happen.

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10/09/2010 07:07 PM
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even if you are self employed , you are still working for someone else.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1124626
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10/09/2010 07:08 PM
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even if you are self employed , you are still working for someone else.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1124903



Yeah, it seems logical to me..
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10/09/2010 07:08 PM
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Perhaps im wrong, but even if you are self employed , you are still working for someone else.

Now go ahead and ban me :}
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1124626

Well sure. I work for my customers, and I still have to pay protection money to Uncle Sugar, but I have a lot more freedom than the people who punch a time clock every day.
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10/09/2010 07:09 PM
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Perhaps im wrong, but even if you are self employed , you are still working for someone else.

Now go ahead and ban me :}

Well sure. I work for my customers, and I still have to pay protection money to Uncle Sugar, but I have a lot more freedom than the people who punch a time clock every day.
 Quoting: Evil Twin



good and bad in both scenarios..

people who punch a time clock , can often have less headaches then self employed people..

also..slef employed people can often have a hard time getting paid for the jobs they do.
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10/09/2010 07:09 PM
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It's called............control what they will desire!
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10/09/2010 07:10 PM
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Some people don't feel the need to make a lot of money.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 648833

It's more about freedom and independence, for me.
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10/09/2010 07:10 PM
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By offering them so many products, and then making it look like all of the beautiful people have them.
 Quoting: wil b wuz



this only creates the desire for money, to buy the products.
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10/09/2010 07:11 PM
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Perhaps im wrong, but even if you are self employed , you are still working for someone else.

Now go ahead and ban me :}

Well sure. I work for my customers, and I still have to pay protection money to Uncle Sugar, but I have a lot more freedom than the people who punch a time clock every day.



good and bad in both scenarios..

people who punch a time clock , can often have less headaches then self employed people..

also..slef employed people can often have a hard time getting paid for the jobs they do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1124626



2 of my best freinds have been self employed all their life...and they are always saying that their customers are often not good at paying for services rendered.

If you work for a comapny..you usually get paid regularly...not true for self employed people
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10/09/2010 07:11 PM
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How Did They Train Everyone To Want a Job?
 Quoting: Evil Twin


Easy, the industrial revolution made labor specialization necessary to manufacture products. The specialized labor to minimize waste and maximize efficiency and then through advertising sold everyone a new dishwasher, tv, automobile, etc.

Then unions demanded high wages and benefits for workers to attract people into the machine and become specialized. Then they sent all the manufacturing to China since labor was too expensive here but everyone was still in the specialized consumer mindset, it's a sociological phenomenon.

Now even part time jobs won't hire someone unless they have a couple years specialized in doing some mindless task. The economy has been offshored but the idea of specialization is built into our societal framework.
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10/09/2010 07:12 PM
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Some people don't feel the need to make a lot of money.

It's more about freedom and independence, for me.
 Quoting: Evil Twin


you will not know freedom or independance until you are free and independant of the need for money.
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10/09/2010 07:12 PM
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Perhaps im wrong, but even if you are self employed , you are still working for someone else.

Now go ahead and ban me :}

Well sure. I work for my customers, and I still have to pay protection money to Uncle Sugar, but I have a lot more freedom than the people who punch a time clock every day.
 Quoting: Evil Twin




HA HA HA! cui bono
Cui Bono?
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10/09/2010 07:12 PM
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I spoke to my freind who is self employed about 3 weeks ago...he was actually complaining that the job he did , for the state , still owed him almost 30 grand even though he completed the job weeks ago.
wil b wuz

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10/09/2010 07:13 PM
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All human beings have one thing in common. That is the desire to be absolutely happy. Most will accept a poor substitute.
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10/09/2010 07:14 PM
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Working for yourself requires too much effort for most people..
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^



theres much more to it then that..

our education.school system is not even setup to make humans independant or teach them the skills to be independant.
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10/09/2010 07:15 PM
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Working for yourself requires too much effort for most people..
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


until they try it, i think most people percieve working for yourself as being less effort.

certainly very rarely true, especialy for the first year or two, depending on your ultimate ambition.

those who attempt to work for themselve due to purely financial motivation are less likely to succeed than those driven by other factors.
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10/09/2010 07:16 PM
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not EVERYONE can be an entrepreneur

every entrepreneur NEEDS people to produce the shit he thinks up.

very high handed attitude your are taking here ET!
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10/09/2010 07:17 PM
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not EVERYONE can be an entrepreneur

every entrepreneur NEEDS people to produce the shit he thinks up.

very high handed attitude you are taking here ET!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1111128


sorry, bit of an anger misspell there! chuckle
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10/09/2010 07:17 PM
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Perhaps im wrong, but even if you are self employed , you are still working for someone else.

Now go ahead and ban me :}

Well sure. I work for my customers, and I still have to pay protection money to Uncle Sugar, but I have a lot more freedom than the people who punch a time clock every day.




HA HA HA! :cui bono:
 Quoting: Frigg Stuyvesant


ultimately, in the majority of cases someone 'working for themselves' is still exchanging their time for money, to perform tasks/services or supply gooods to others.
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10/09/2010 07:18 PM
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I don't work right now. I have so much of everything it's ridiculous.

All I really need is a more reliable car. I can understand wanting things, but I ave literal multitudes of the same thing. I could start a store. Being unemployed the last year and a half shows me how much excess I really have that compensates for other types of emptiness. I think a lot of people cover sadness with stuff.
 Quoting: Olibow



Need a professional organizer/personal assistant? That's what I do. :)


Currently helping a prominent artist get her stuff (she's quite the collector) and life organized.

I generally only have one client at a time though, I'm still on call once a week for my previous one when he needs help.

I work for room, board and a small salary. :)
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10/09/2010 07:20 PM
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Working for yourself requires too much effort for most people..



theres much more to it then that..

our education.school system is not even setup to make humans independant or teach them the skills to be independant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1124626

+10

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10/09/2010 07:22 PM
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By offering them so many products, and then making it look like all of the beautiful people have them.

So why work for a middleman that skims some of the profit for your labor?
 Quoting: Evil Twin

I'm sure my slats will get nailed too a tree on this one, ET. But a lot of this is hereditary. My Daddy worked there....my Grandpa worked there... ect. I understand your point of veiw but there was a certain... comfort, a guarentee if you will, that if I dedicate me and my familys life to the company, at the end, we'll be allowed to survive. I now realise that that isn't true. Economics 101. But at the time there was a bit of TRUST between employer and employee. After my generation is dead, THEN businnes will be what it actually is. I know you won't agree, but that IS how it was. We lived it. Now we bail out the mistakes of our masters. We have to live with it. Knaw away.
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