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***Are we just now starting to remember? Dr Velikovsky and Cultural Amnesia***

 
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crown it
the key to the past is to be willing to know

that in a newtonian universe nothing can go

accept as a fact that gravity is not king

it`s then that our myths can begin to sing

planets once free to not stay in one spot

makes sense of history as you get the plot

this is new to all others as it is to you

one hundred plus years since the notion occurred

within our secret societies something stirred

all that were touched soon began to acknowledge

secrets they kept made sense with this knowledge

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Field when you write these it just takes my breath away with the simplicity of your explanation.


Whilst I may not be on this thread much today as I need to split firewood and stack it, please everyone feel free to contribute as you wish.
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Smiling Irish Eyes.. please watch 'Symbols of an Alien Sky'

I think you'll like it
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Smiling Irish Eyes.. please watch 'Symbols of an Alien Sky'

I think you'll like it
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Thanks, I had watched it about about 6 months or so ago; will have to watch it again with new insights.
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Thx for the thread OP. Years and years since I read "Worlds in Collision" (which was still talked about in the '60s and '70s, pretty impressive for a book published in 1950). Given the magnetic ribbon at the edge of the heliosphere, the Velikovsky idea that "The rotation of earth can be affected by electromagnetic fields." is quite pertinent.
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Smiling Irish Eyes.. please watch 'Symbols of an Alien Sky'

I think you'll like it
 Quoting: Celtic (woad-man)



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Nice thread OP

I have been working on an Idea the goes along with velkiosvshy work especially in regards to cultural Amnesia.

short version.

Many of you I have notices are tuned into the influences now coming into the planet and that they are/will create a shift in consciousness. Through activating our DNA. As our junk DNA acts as a antenna sending and receiving information.

As the energies increase they will be coming at first in waves, gradually getting stronger and stronger. With will create a remembering of who we are and we will begin to blossom until our full potential is reached. This impulse is periodic or cyclical, which mean that eventually the impulse will decrease over time, leaving in its wake humanity with Alzheimer's. A slowly decreasing ability to connect, remember who and what we are. Descent into another dark cycle. The ancient religious and mythological are reminders left by our predecessors, because they knew what was coming, to help remind us of what once was and what will be again. This would put us in an ascending point in the cycle at this time. Not yet to a golden age, but at a transition point between the dark ages and lets say a more enlightened one. Comments rken
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If we look at Shri yuktaswars writings, he points to us being in a transition period on the upward spiral. This is what makes this transition so much different than the last major shift 6000 to 10,000 years ago as we were in a down ward trend that lead to the destruction of that civilization leaving only hints as to its glory and accomplishments. At this point we are in an upward part of the cycle and would tend to indicate that many of the problems we face today will be transitioning into more positive expression as soon as the old paradigm is cleared away. rken
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Those topics are not intended for the public. The public does not like to hear this as the truth will raise the hair on your back. It's the same reason you don't tell children horror stories. Of course we can discuss it on this forum but just think about it what will happen if it will be made public. If you ask scientists in private, especially archeologists digging around in ancient mass graves of victims of huge catastrophic events, many seem to know the truth, but don't want to believe it.
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A lot of his books are availble on line here in one I found that you can download

ages in chaos

[link to immanuel-velikovsky-ages-in-chaos-eboo-5019458.cooga.net]

Just do a search. I found many more. rken
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A lot of his books are availble on line here in one I found that you can download

ages in chaos

[link to immanuel-velikovsky-ages-in-chaos-eboo-5019458.cooga.net]

Just do a search. I found many more. rken
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They've got in on scribd: [link to www.scribd.com]
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A lot of his books are availble on line here in one I found that you can download

ages in chaos

[link to immanuel-velikovsky-ages-in-chaos-eboo-5019458.cooga.net]

Just do a search. I found many more. rken


They've got in on scribd: [link to www.scribd.com]
 Quoting: Sickscent



Thank you both for the links.

I just re-watched the Symbols of an Alien Sky. Things that are just common sense are right there waiting for us to "re-discover" them.

Back out to split more firewood while we have the log splitter. Thank you all for the great posts, more to think about it.

Edited as Celtic posted a youtube above that I had embedded in this post...synchronicity strikes yet again.

Last Edited by Smilin' Irish Eyes on 10/24/2010 02:06 PM
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Great stuff!

I read Earth under Fire a couple years ago, seriously opened my eyes to proper demythification of the stories of the ancients.
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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Great stuff!

I read Earth under Fire a couple years ago, seriously opened my eyes to proper demythification of the stories of the ancients.
 Quoting: Rex Khristos



This is the part that totally enthralls. Since I was very young, my oldest brother who is 7 years older than me was studying the Roman and Greek mythologies and taught me as he learned. To now, so many decades later delve back into them with a new insight brings back many happy memories of studying with my brother.

Field has some excellent posts on Saturn and it's role in myth making, not sure if you saw those or not.
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Marduk Akkadian: "solar calf"; Biblical Hebrew Merodach; Greek , Mardochaios) was the Babylonian name of a late-generation god from ancient Mesopotamia and patron deity of the city of Babylon, who, when Babylon became the political center of the Euphrates valley in the time of Hammurabi (18th century BCE), started to slowly rise to the position of the head of the Babylonian pantheon, a position he fully acquired by the second half of the second millennium BCE. In the perfected system of astrology, the planet Jupiter was associated with Marduk by the Hammurabi period
 Quoting: wikipidia

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Son of Marduk
Oct 29, 2010

Mercury's tail represents another "unexpected" result when planetary scientists ignore plasma physics.
According to Electric Universe theory, comet tails are created when the cometary plasma sheath accumulates enough electrical potential to discharge, causing it to glow. Irrespective of their individual composition, comets obey the fundamental behavior of charged objects within a plasma shell.

Earth's cometary plasma cocoon, otherwise known as the magnetosphere, changes shape and power as electric currents from the Sun impinge upon it. Those electric currents are due to the movement of charged stellar particles streaming out in what conventional science calls a "solar wind." Earth's magnetospheric tail points away from the Sun because of the electrical effect of those high-speed ions.As the Moon revolves through the ionized plasma surrounding Earth, the materials in the lunar regolith gain a negative charge, causing them to repel each other and drift off the surface. As was mentioned in a previous Picture of the Day, charge differential between the day and night sides of the Moon generates an ion “wind” flowing from the negatively charged night side into the more positively charged sunlit side. The electric fields between the two hemispheres can vary by as much as 1000 volts.
[link to www.thunderbolts.info]
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It would seem Earth isn't the best choice for long term survival.
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Earth's cometary plasma cocoon, otherwise known as the magnetosphere, changes shape and power as electric currents from the Sun impinge upon it.

Those electric currents are due to the movement of charged stellar particles streaming out in what conventional science calls a "solar wind."

Earth's magnetospheric tail points away from the Sun because of the electrical effect of those high-speed ions.


As the Moon revolves through the ionized plasma surrounding Earth, the materials in the lunar regolith gain a negative charge, causing them to repel each other and drift off the surface. As was mentioned in a previous Picture of the Day, charge differential between the day and night sides of the Moon generates an ion “wind” flowing from the negatively charged night side into the more positively charged sunlit side.

The electric fields between the two hemispheres can vary by as much as 1000 volts.
[link to www.thunderbolts.info]
 Quoting: field 1143994


OK now that is probably the BEST explanation about the magnetosphere that I have ever read.
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It would seem Earth isn't the best choice for long term survival.
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Who knows, what other planet or solar system would be safer?

The past sense expectation of dread has changed to a sense of acceptance of whatever is to come. Perhaps "Fluffy" is slowly but surely upgrading all of us.
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they talk about velikovsky......


















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Thank you field, great series posted above. I had to watch in them increments because of my children interrupting.

If you check back today, hope you are having a good day.
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hey irish, enjoy haloween with your little ones rockon

Under a gravity dominant solar system, can we calculate how long it would take for the orbits of the new planet(s) to have settled into the stable orbits we see now?

I can't imagine the capture of one wandering planet, let alone more than one, being so easily achieved, from my limited understanding of orbital mechanics.
 Quoting: Question


There is no exact answer, ie mathematical calculation, for your question.

It is called the three body (or n body) problem:
 Quoting: Answer


While the two-body problem is integrable and its solutions completely understood, solutions of the three-body problem may be of an arbitrary complexity and are very far from being completely understood.
[link to www.scholarpedia.org]

It is sort of the skeleton in the closet of celestial mechanics, but the solar system (assumed to be governed only by gravity) and composed of three or more bodies is not a simple calculable clockwork mechanism. But then that is neither here nor there, because to assume that gravity would be the only force determining the reordering of the solar system is contrary to what is being proposed by planetary catastrophists. The Electric Universe points out that ancient tales of electrical discharges between the planets, as well as the evidence of electrical scarring on various members of the solar system, demonstrate that electrical forces are required to be taken into consideration. Wal Thornhill has stated that planets only "see" each other when their plasmaspheres touch, once this situation occurs electrical forces would dominate. The stabilizing of the solar system would involve achieving positions of least action interaction leaving a gravity dominated system as we see today. Calculations based on a gravity only assumption are probably not of much use. I do not see the time period as a problem since there are probably several millenia (or more) for the solar system to arrive at the present order.
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How Long Ago?

When presented with the Electric Universe theory and the planetary catastrophes that might have occurred in the past, a commonly evoked question is: When did it all take place?
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How Long Ago? Part Two

Geologists continue to depend on theories that were first proposed in the seventeenth century, or perhaps by the ancient Greeks.
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Those topics are not intended for the public. The public does not like to hear this as the truth will raise the hair on your back. It's the same reason you don't tell children horror stories. Of course we can discuss it on this forum but just think about it what will happen if it will be made public. If you ask scientists in private, especially archeologists digging around in ancient mass graves of victims of huge catastrophic events, many seem to know the truth, but don't want to believe it.
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Whether they're intended for the public or not.. looks like they're out there now

These topics raise the hairs on the back of my neck in the most excellent way

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It would seem Earth isn't the best choice for long term survival.
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You could be right; who knows

A more refined understanding of past celestial/planetary events will help us understand the future better
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Who knows, what other planet or solar system would be safer?

The past sense expectation of dread has changed to a sense of acceptance of whatever is to come. Perhaps "Fluffy" is slowly but surely upgrading all of us.
 Quoting: Smilin' Irish Eyes


Yep
It is the Thunderbolt that steers the Universe
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Suddenly

Geologists say mountains were formed gradually over millions of years. Native peoples say their ancestors saw mountains form in their lifetimes. It’s a choice between speculation and hearsay.

The uniformist/gradualist revolution erased the concept of suddenness from the geological vocabulary. Because a person tends not to see what he doesn’t have a concept for, geologists for two centuries couldn’t see evidence for suddenness as suddenness.

Immanuel Velikovsky’s books, Worlds in Collision and Earth in Upheaval, hit geologists like a 2x4 between the eyes of a somnolent mule. Velikovsky got kicked into the mud of crackpotism for it, but the hit got geologists’ attention. After the mule settled down, the concept of suddenness reappeared: Alvarez’s asteroid, Clube and Napier’s comet, Gould and Eldredge’s punctuationism, mass extinctions, lava floods (and Bretz water floods), climate disruptions, fossilized asphyxiation, and deposits of shredded plants and animals.
[link to www.thunderbolts.info]
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Stone Monoliths

On every continent are examples of isolated stone mountains that are not easy to explain from a conventional standpoint. Could they be the remnants of prodigious electric arcs?
[link to www.thunderbolts.info]


Stone Monoliths - Part Two

Colossal stones, some as large as mountains, could be physical evidence for interplanetary lightning bolts on Earth.
[link to www.thunderbolts.info]


The Expanding Earth Debate - Part One

Images of Jupiter's moon Europa have sparked interest in an unusual theory. Are some celestial bodies, including Earth expanding? Or is electricity a better explanation?
[link to www.thunderbolts.info]


The Expanding Earth Debate - Part Two

Problems with subduction theories are causing increased interest in theories of expansion. But expansion is also problematic, and the answer may lie elsewhere, in the evidence for electrical scarring of planets and moons.
[link to www.thunderbolts.info]


The Expanding Earth Debate - Part Three

New conjectures about Earth expansion and crustal deformation of Jupiter's moon Europa have been offered in favor of the "expanding Earth" theory. But what has actually happened to Europa?
[link to www.thunderbolts.info]
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The Grand Canyon: Part One

The Grand Canyon is approximately 400 kilometers long, 28 kilometers wide, and almost two kilometers deep. Could erosion by the Colorado River be the only factor in its formation?
[link to www.thunderbolts.info]


The Grand Canyon: Part Two


Simple observation of the Grand Canyon's geological formations calls the water erosion hypothesis into question
[link to www.thunderbolts.info]

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