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K2TC - you see 4:1 (which I interpret as John specific) - I can see why you might think it...

But then I see 7:9 - what I interpret to be the evidence of rapture - after the sealing of the newly saved Jews (who stay but are protected) and us (the church) who suddenly appear in heaven.... I'd be interested in your thoughts....

I'm by no means an expert but I do study this all the time and know enough to know I'll never get it all...

BTW, go look at Proverbs 7 and compare it to the church of Laodicea - the church that refuses study and not pursuit of His truth... I'd love your thoughts on that too...
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Thank you (To both who answered) I worry that I'm a bad Christian - there is so much I don't understand so have always tried to simplify things to "love everyone as you love yourself" I even struggle with that!!!! So when it comes to things like the law I really get confused!
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One thing I love about our freedom in Christ is that we need not live in fear. Many in the churches use guilt to get people to conform and attend services, to tithe, to feel guilty if they don't do enough or do the right things. But God isn't interested in our things or our performance, but in us. What matters is how we live each day, how we treat others, and how we long to see our Savior return.

So... relax! Jesus loves you. It's that simple.

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Thank you (To both who answered) I worry that I'm a bad Christian - there is so much I don't understand so have always tried to simplify things to "love everyone as you love yourself" I even struggle with that!!!! So when it comes to things like the law I really get confused!
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One thing I love about our freedom in Christ is that we need not live in fear. Many in the churches use guilt to get people to conform and attend services, to tithe, to feel guilty if they don't do enough or do the right things. But God isn't interested in our things or our performance, but in us. What matters is how we live each day, how we treat others, and how we long to see our Savior return.

So... relax! Jesus loves you. It's that simple.

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Ha! Bad karma from yet another person who won't identify themselves:

"False lawless Pauline teacher."

I guess it makes them feel like they hurt me or something.
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No, they probably just enjoy watching you cry your eyes out to everyone in hopes they will pity you and balance it out with some green.

Dude, this isn't your thread, but you're posting every other post as if it was.

You are what we call "a thread jacking douche".

You openly attack anyone that makes a statement that doesn't bolster your own, then cry and whine about how everyone is picking on you.

It's fucking hilarious!
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K2TC - you see 4:1 (which I interpret as John specific) - I can see why you might think it...

But then I see 7:9 - what I interpret to be the evidence of rapture - after the sealing of the newly saved Jews (who stay but are protected) and us (the church) who suddenly appear in heaven.... I'd be interested in your thoughts....

I'm by no means an expert but I do study this all the time and know enough to know I'll never get it all...

BTW, go look at Proverbs 7 and compare it to the church of Laodicea - the church that refuses study and not pursuit of His truth... I'd love your thoughts on that too...
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Yes, 4:1 is "John specific" because John is the writer and he is speaking in the first person. But just as Isaac and Ishmael represent two nations though they were real people, so also the real person John represents the "catching up" of the church. Seeing that Revelation is a very sequential book, I think we do well to note the timing of when he was taken.

Re. the crowd in heaven, I wrote out my rationale for who I think they are here: [link to www.fether.net] (scroll down to "the huge crowd" near the end).

Not sure what Prov. 7 re. wisdom has to do with the church of Laodicea, though. Its primary faults are in being "lukewarm" and in thinking too highly of itself.
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The Law condemns, it can't save your soul...read Romans 8, we are to accept Christ who came not to abolish the law but to fulfil the Law (Matthew 15:17).

The Law is our teacher, so that we know when we've transgressed it (Roman 7:7).

The Law is holy, as it was written by the hand of God (Romans 8).
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Galatians 2:

14 When I saw that they were not following the truth of the gospel message, I said to Peter in front of all the others, “Since you, a Jew by birth, have discarded the Jewish laws and are living like a Gentile, why are you now trying to make these Gentiles follow the Jewish traditions?

15 “You and I are Jews by birth, not ‘sinners’ like the Gentiles. 16 Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law.”

[...]

17 But suppose we seek to be made right with God through faith in Christ and then we are found guilty because we have abandoned the law. Would that mean Christ has led us into sin? Absolutely not! 18 Rather, I am a sinner if I rebuild the old system of law I already tore down.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1128502


I don't know how so many people completely misunderstand this, thanks for posting it. It's so very clear: Christians are "a new creation", wherein "there is no Jew or Greek", and both the "branches" that are grafted not one into the other but both into the Vine. We can add the parables of Jesus about the prodigal son (jealous older brother = Jews) and the workers in the field (Jews "early" workers who thought they deserved more than the Gentiles)to see that there is no more "wall of separation" in Christ.

This incident is, IMHO, the greatest rebuttal to all the Christians trying to act Jewish these days. It's an insult to the sacrifice of Jesus for us to go under the law when He already fulfilled it, as if He didn't pay enough.
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clappa


Finally, someone who know's what they are talking about.
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Galatians 2:

14 When I saw that they were not following the truth of the gospel message, I said to Peter in front of all the others, “Since you, a Jew by birth, have discarded the Jewish laws and are living like a Gentile, why are you now trying to make these Gentiles follow the Jewish traditions?

15 “You and I are Jews by birth, not ‘sinners’ like the Gentiles. 16 Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law.”

[...]

17 But suppose we seek to be made right with God through faith in Christ and then we are found guilty because we have abandoned the law. Would that mean Christ has led us into sin? Absolutely not! 18 Rather, I am a sinner if I rebuild the old system of law I already tore down.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1128502


I don't know how so many people completely misunderstand this, thanks for posting it. It's so very clear: Christians are "a new creation", wherein "there is no Jew or Greek", and both the "branches" that are grafted not one into the other but both into the Vine. We can add the parables of Jesus about the prodigal son (jealous older brother = Jews) and the workers in the field (Jews "early" workers who thought they deserved more than the Gentiles)to see that there is no more "wall of separation" in Christ.

This incident is, IMHO, the greatest rebuttal to all the Christians trying to act Jewish these days. It's an insult to the sacrifice of Jesus for us to go under the law when He already fulfilled it, as if He didn't pay enough.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Yes - except we must go back to OT and separate what was law versus God. For instance the what we refer to a Jewish holidays are in fact not part of the law - the are the feasts of the Lord to be celebrated throughout all time and are actually prophetic and Christ proving. So don't throw out the baby with the bath water - there are some things we should not ever forget.

In the last days one of our most important responsibilities will be to bring the Word to 144000 Jews - so that the Holy Spirit can do His work in their Salvation and conversion. A good understanding of God's history will help us reach them. How a Jew could ever study Passover or Firstfruits and not see Jesus is beyond me...
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there is no old testament for there's nothing new under the sun..it is what it is..the old testament symbolizes our childhood temple/body and kingdom/brain,the "new" testament symbolizes our adult temple and kingdom..then we overcome the creation and ascend as spirit and build our 3rd temple where the spirit lives..the bible is metaphors...the characters didn't exist in the flesh..sorry to break it to ya but all secret society members are told the truth of whats hidden below the surface dogma and this year everyone gets to chew the meat and grow up..you have received the milk in the churches but the meat was hidden in the secret societies until this year and i have given the meat to all if they can stop sucking on bottles and receive it to grow up..please take the manna and grow up to receive the hidden manna..
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You are so wrong. You are dabbling in things you know nothing of...
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Galatians 2:

14 When I saw that they were not following the truth of the gospel message, I said to Peter in front of all the others, “Since you, a Jew by birth, have discarded the Jewish laws and are living like a Gentile, why are you now trying to make these Gentiles follow the Jewish traditions?

15 “You and I are Jews by birth, not ‘sinners’ like the Gentiles. 16 Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law.”

[...]

17 But suppose we seek to be made right with God through faith in Christ and then we are found guilty because we have abandoned the law. Would that mean Christ has led us into sin? Absolutely not! 18 Rather, I am a sinner if I rebuild the old system of law I already tore down.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1128502


I don't know how so many people completely misunderstand this, thanks for posting it. It's so very clear: Christians are "a new creation", wherein "there is no Jew or Greek", and both the "branches" that are grafted not one into the other but both into the Vine. We can add the parables of Jesus about the prodigal son (jealous older brother = Jews) and the workers in the field (Jews "early" workers who thought they deserved more than the Gentiles)to see that there is no more "wall of separation" in Christ.

This incident is, IMHO, the greatest rebuttal to all the Christians trying to act Jewish these days. It's an insult to the sacrifice of Jesus for us to go under the law when He already fulfilled it, as if He didn't pay enough.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Yes - except we must go back to OT and separate what was law versus God. For instance the what we refer to a Jewish holidays are in fact not part of the law - the are the feasts of the Lord to be celebrated throughout all time and are actually prophetic and Christ proving. So don't throw out the baby with the bath water - there are some things we should not ever forget.

In the last days one of our most important responsibilities will be to bring the Word to 144000 Jews - so that the Holy Spirit can do His work in their Salvation and conversion. A good understanding of God's history will help us reach them. How a Jew could ever study Passover or Firstfruits and not see Jesus is beyond me...
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there is no old testament for there's nothing new under the sun..it is what it is..the old testament symbolizes our childhood temple/body and kingdom/brain,the "new" testament symbolizes our adult temple and kingdom..then we overcome the creation and ascend as spirit and build our 3rd temple where the spirit lives..the bible is metaphors...the characters didn't exist in the flesh..sorry to break it to ya but all secret society members are told the truth of whats hidden below the surface dogma and this year everyone gets to chew the meat and grow up..you have received the milk in the churches but the meat was hidden in the secret societies until this year and i have given the meat to all if they can stop sucking on bottles and receive it to grow up..please take the manna and grow up to receive the hidden manna..
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You are so wrong. You are dabbling in things you know nothing of...
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I don't know how so many people completely misunderstand this, thanks for posting it. It's so very clear: Christians are "a new creation", wherein "there is no Jew or Greek", and both the "branches" that are grafted not one into the other but both into the Vine. We can add the parables of Jesus about the prodigal son (jealous older brother = Jews) and the workers in the field (Jews "early" workers who thought they deserved more than the Gentiles)to see that there is no more "wall of separation" in Christ.

This incident is, IMHO, the greatest rebuttal to all the Christians trying to act Jewish these days. It's an insult to the sacrifice of Jesus for us to go under the law when He already fulfilled it, as if He didn't pay enough.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Yes - except we must go back to OT and separate what was law versus God. For instance the what we refer to a Jewish holidays are in fact not part of the law - the are the feasts of the Lord to be celebrated throughout all time and are actually prophetic and Christ proving. So don't throw out the baby with the bath water - there are some things we should not ever forget.

In the last days one of our most important responsibilities will be to bring the Word to 144000 Jews - so that the Holy Spirit can do His work in their Salvation and conversion. A good understanding of God's history will help us reach them. How a Jew could ever study Passover or Firstfruits and not see Jesus is beyond me...
 Quoting: notgonna
there is no old testament for there's nothing new under the sun..it is what it is..the old testament symbolizes our childhood temple/body and kingdom/brain,the "new" testament symbolizes our adult temple and kingdom..then we overcome the creation and ascend as spirit and build our 3rd temple where the spirit lives..the bible is metaphors...the characters didn't exist in the flesh..sorry to break it to ya but all secret society members are told the truth of whats hidden below the surface dogma and this year everyone gets to chew the meat and grow up..you have received the milk in the churches but the meat was hidden in the secret societies until this year and i have given the meat to all if they can stop sucking on bottles and receive it to grow up..please take the manna and grow up to receive the hidden manna..
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


You are so wrong. You are dabbling in things you know nothing of...
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I would guess the manna would be in bottles if God sent it in bottles...definitely isn't meat...not in the Kingdom of Heaven...

Isa.65[25] The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the onli shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
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Misspelling correction:

Isa.65[25] The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
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more lies and misdirection from the false prophet. In fact HOW DARE he say we are not to follow God's laws? Yeshua came to FULLFILL the law, not supersede it or make it null and void. Salvation through grace does not abstain us from the God's law.
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I agree. However... I have a question for you.

Have you violated any of the 10 commandments, in thought, act, or omission, since you accepted Christ?

Are you the lost all over again, until you obey the law sufficiently to make it back into the saved column?

What then? Will you be "perfect" until Jesus comes back?

And if not, then what happens? Do you go back to the lost category again, until you earn enough salvation points by keeping the law?

The reason I agree with you, and yet I ask you these questions, is because I myself, have struggled with this for YEARS.
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more lies and misdirection from the false prophet. In fact HOW DARE he say we are not to follow God's laws? Yeshua came to FULLFILL the law, not supersede it or make it null and void. Salvation through grace does not abstain us from the God's law.
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I agree. However... I have a question for you.

Have you violated any of the 10 commandments, in thought, act, or omission, since you accepted Christ?

Are you the lost all over again, until you obey the law sufficiently to make it back into the saved column?

What then? Will you be "perfect" until Jesus comes back?

And if not, then what happens? Do you go back to the lost category again, until you earn enough salvation points by keeping the law?

The reason I agree with you, and yet I ask you these questions, is because I myself, have struggled with this for YEARS.
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None have not fallen short. Not one.

I believe (please note, I'm not stating as "fact" but as my own personal beliefs.) That it's a matter of repentance. If you know you've done wrong, you put all your effort into doing better ... not a matter of never committing another sin again.

As for the Mizvot, sure, there's 613 of them, but many apply only to the priesthood, others only to the judges, others only to women and so on.

So, not ALL 613 apply to me. Most of them are simply common sense. Things like do not keep an animal alive while you cut off parts of it for meat.

It's just cruel. Others are things like to care for widows and orphans who can not provide for themselves.

Exactly where most mainstream Christians have been led to believe that the EASY commandments of the Father are some impossible bondage is totally beyond me. I can't help but think that they just haven't looked and are regurgitating what their favorite guru told them. Of course, I could be wrong on that, it's only an assumption.

We are saved by grace, certainly. However, once saved, it's our works that define us. I do not uphold Torah in an attempt to bargain or buy my way in. Heck, I'm a universalist and believe that after purification in the lake of fire ALL eventually get into the kingdom.

I obey out of love. Not out of fear.

We all fall short, repeatedly. Can't be helped. However, if once we fall, we make amends and then try to be better ... I believe that this is what matters. Many in the Tanakh are referred to as "righteous" while falling short. Dawid is a perfect example. The dude made so many mistakes. Yet, according to the prophets, he was among the most righteous right up there with Avraham.

As for "brownie points" for obedience ... I do think there is a pecking order in the Kingdom. Based upon the words of HaMosiach Himself in the sermon on the mount.

So whoever disobeys the least of these mitzvot [commandments] and teaches others to do so will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But whoever obeys them and so teaches will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven."
 Quoting: Matt 5:19


This is why I get so frustrated with those that "teach others to disobey the least of these commandments". These are the words of the boss Himself, not some self-proclaimed apostle who was rejected by the 12 that ran with Him ... and cried and whined about it incessantly in his letters contained in the Canon.

Those that wish to bash and attack me for stating, "It would be good to honor the mizvot". I mean, just look in this thread here. I've been actually accused of dishonoring the Messiah by doing exactly what HE told me to do! It's hilarious!

I can only speak for myself, but I'd rather be called "great" in the Kingdom than to be called "least". If others want to graduate with a C average, so be it, but don't get pissed off at me because I want to score all As.

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then you will be judged and sent back to try to overcome the world again,your choice..you must love the world instead of being love..
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Jesus said to NOT love the world, and that He is love. We have nothing to discuss. Putting you on ignore.
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my bad, i meant to say overcome the world not love the world..
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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then you will be judged and sent back to try to overcome the world again,your choice..you must love the world instead of being love..
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Jesus said to NOT love the world, and that He is love. We have nothing to discuss. Putting you on ignore.
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my bad, i meant to say overcome the world not love the world..
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


lol ... it doesn't matter, he "puts on ignore" everyone and anyone that doesn't feed his ego.

Just make a few posts and have a few laughs.
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I don't know how so many people completely misunderstand this, thanks for posting it. It's so very clear: Christians are "a new creation", wherein "there is no Jew or Greek", and both the "branches" that are grafted not one into the other but both into the Vine. We can add the parables of Jesus about the prodigal son (jealous older brother = Jews) and the workers in the field (Jews "early" workers who thought they deserved more than the Gentiles)to see that there is no more "wall of separation" in Christ.

This incident is, IMHO, the greatest rebuttal to all the Christians trying to act Jewish these days. It's an insult to the sacrifice of Jesus for us to go under the law when He already fulfilled it, as if He didn't pay enough.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Yes - except we must go back to OT and separate what was law versus God. For instance the what we refer to a Jewish holidays are in fact not part of the law - the are the feasts of the Lord to be celebrated throughout all time and are actually prophetic and Christ proving. So don't throw out the baby with the bath water - there are some things we should not ever forget.

In the last days one of our most important responsibilities will be to bring the Word to 144000 Jews - so that the Holy Spirit can do His work in their Salvation and conversion. A good understanding of God's history will help us reach them. How a Jew could ever study Passover or Firstfruits and not see Jesus is beyond me...
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there is no old testament for there's nothing new under the sun..it is what it is..the old testament symbolizes our childhood temple/body and kingdom/brain,the "new" testament symbolizes our adult temple and kingdom..then we overcome the creation and ascend as spirit and build our 3rd temple where the spirit lives..the bible is metaphors...the characters didn't exist in the flesh..sorry to break it to ya but all secret society members are told the truth of whats hidden below the surface dogma and this year everyone gets to chew the meat and grow up..you have received the milk in the churches but the meat was hidden in the secret societies until this year and i have given the meat to all if they can stop sucking on bottles and receive it to grow up..please take the manna and grow up to receive the hidden manna..
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You are so wrong. You are dabbling in things you know nothing of...
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read my 777 thread then tell me i know nothing when you get your jaw off the floor..
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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then you will be judged and sent back to try to overcome the world again,your choice..you must love the world instead of being love..
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Jesus said to NOT love the world, and that He is love. We have nothing to discuss. Putting you on ignore.
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my bad, i meant to say overcome the world not love the world..
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lol ... it doesn't matter, he "puts on ignore" everyone and anyone that doesn't feed his ego.

Just make a few posts and have a few laughs.
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yeah ,i was told bottle feeders with calcified pineal glands would not understand what meat eating decalcified pineal glands could understand,but it dont stop me from trying to help them from their prisonhf..
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Jesus said to NOT love the world, and that He is love. We have nothing to discuss. Putting you on ignore.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode
my bad, i meant to say overcome the world not love the world..
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


lol ... it doesn't matter, he "puts on ignore" everyone and anyone that doesn't feed his ego.

Just make a few posts and have a few laughs.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau
yeah ,i was told bottle feeders with calcified pineal glands would not understand what meat eating decalcified pineal glands could understand,but it dont stop me from trying to help them from their prisonhf..
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Oh ain't that the truth! The number of milk eaters I run across astounds me. They've even learned to make cheese from that milk!

I like my meat, though. They can keep the cheese.
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Yes - except we must go back to OT and separate what was law versus God. For instance the what we refer to a Jewish holidays are in fact not part of the law - the are the feasts of the Lord to be celebrated throughout all time and are actually prophetic and Christ proving. So don't throw out the baby with the bath water - there are some things we should not ever forget.

In the last days one of our most important responsibilities will be to bring the Word to 144000 Jews - so that the Holy Spirit can do His work in their Salvation and conversion. A good understanding of God's history will help us reach them. How a Jew could ever study Passover or Firstfruits and not see Jesus is beyond me...
 Quoting: notgonna
there is no old testament for there's nothing new under the sun..it is what it is..the old testament symbolizes our childhood temple/body and kingdom/brain,the "new" testament symbolizes our adult temple and kingdom..then we overcome the creation and ascend as spirit and build our 3rd temple where the spirit lives..the bible is metaphors...the characters didn't exist in the flesh..sorry to break it to ya but all secret society members are told the truth of whats hidden below the surface dogma and this year everyone gets to chew the meat and grow up..you have received the milk in the churches but the meat was hidden in the secret societies until this year and i have given the meat to all if they can stop sucking on bottles and receive it to grow up..please take the manna and grow up to receive the hidden manna..
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


You are so wrong. You are dabbling in things you know nothing of...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24895930


I would guess the manna would be in bottles if God sent it in bottles...definitely isn't meat...not in the Kingdom of Heaven...

Isa.65[25] The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the onli shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
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manna is potassium iodide KI crystals ,it looks exactly as the codebook says it does,like white colander seeds... in Revelations it is the white stone you get your new name with,it also looks like little white stones...the potassium iodide molecule and what it does is the basis of many ancient mysteries and Sacred Geometry which is explained in my 777 thread...sleep if you like ,you have no excuses now for Ezekiel 7:19 has been fulfilled this year,the silver and gold is the knowledge we are sharing with the bottle feeders in the streets for it does us no good for we already used the silver and gold to overcome the world..

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How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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my bad, i meant to say overcome the world not love the world..
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lol ... it doesn't matter, he "puts on ignore" everyone and anyone that doesn't feed his ego.

Just make a few posts and have a few laughs.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau
yeah ,i was told bottle feeders with calcified pineal glands would not understand what meat eating decalcified pineal glands could understand,but it dont stop me from trying to help them from their prisonhf..
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


Oh ain't that the truth! The number of milk eaters I run across astounds me. They've even learned to make cheese from that milk!

I like my meat, though. They can keep the cheese.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau
yeah the meat of the mysteries keeps me full where i dont need a bottlehf..yup that cheese they make falsely scares them not to be so called rats..some think by revealing all the mysteries they are rats and will be killed or put into traps..i am spirit within therefore i am forever so silly threat's to my ark bounce right off,i am not a coward..and no one can call me a trader in the secret societies for helping everyone instead of just myself or members only..

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How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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i dont ban or ignore anyone, i believe in free speech unlike domestic terrorists who have been brainwashed and put at odds against others..
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man." Eccl 12:13.
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Finally, someone who know's what they are talking about.
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cheers
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In 2 Peter 3: Peter, in verse 15, says his beloved brother PAUL, according to the wisdom given to him. has written to you. Some things hard to understand which those that are untaught twist to their own destruction as they do with the rest of the scriptures. /// This was written toward the end of Peter's life and he began to understand the words of Paul. JESUS CHRIST paid, in full, at the cross, your salvation if you believe in the LORD. This is a mystery that Paul wrote about and that the LORD GOD knew from the beginning of the world. Remember it was very hard for the Jews to hear a new message, that JESUS fulfilled the law, there is nothing you can do to enter into HIS kingdom, except to believe in HIM. Yes when you know what our Savior has done for you, you want to live your best for him. I pray this will help you understand that Paul was as Acts 9: 15 says, Jesus speaking, "for he (Paul) is a chosen vessel of MINE to bear my name before the Gentiles, Kings, and the children of Israel. Amen
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In 2 Peter 3: Peter, in verse 15, says his beloved brother PAUL, according to the wisdom given to him. has written to you. Some things hard to understand which those that are untaught twist to their own destruction as they do with the rest of the scriptures. /// This was written toward the end of Peter's life and he began to understand the words of Paul. JESUS CHRIST paid, in full, at the cross, your salvation if you believe in the LORD. This is a mystery that Paul wrote about and that the LORD GOD knew from the beginning of the world. Remember it was very hard for the Jews to hear a new message, that JESUS fulfilled the law, there is nothing you can do to enter into HIS kingdom, except to believe in HIM. Yes when you know what our Savior has done for you, you want to live your best for him. I pray this will help you understand that Paul was as Acts 9: 15 says, Jesus speaking, "for he (Paul) is a chosen vessel of MINE to bear my name before the Gentiles, Kings, and the children of Israel. Amen
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This is exactly what I've been saying the whole time, is it possible you meant to reply to someone else?
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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In 2 Peter 3: Peter, in verse 15, says his beloved brother PAUL, according to the wisdom given to him. has written to you. Some things hard to understand which those that are untaught twist to their own destruction as they do with the rest of the scriptures. /// This was written toward the end of Peter's life and he began to understand the words of Paul. JESUS CHRIST paid, in full, at the cross, your salvation if you believe in the LORD. This is a mystery that Paul wrote about and that the LORD GOD knew from the beginning of the world. Remember it was very hard for the Jews to hear a new message, that JESUS fulfilled the law, there is nothing you can do to enter into HIS kingdom, except to believe in HIM. Yes when you know what our Savior has done for you, you want to live your best for him. I pray this will help you understand that Paul was as Acts 9: 15 says, Jesus speaking, "for he (Paul) is a chosen vessel of MINE to bear my name before the Gentiles, Kings, and the children of Israel. Amen
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This is exactly what I've been saying the whole time, is it possible you meant to reply to someone else?
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


I did mean it for you, sorry, because it is the truth! God bless you. I sent you a good karma! Wish more could understand this wonderful message and enter into GOD'S rest.
If you break my wings, I will just find a cloud and learn to fly again. The Lord will catch you when you fall or teach you to fly! May the footprints I leave lead you to BELIEVE.
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I did mean it for you, sorry, because it is the truth! God bless you. I sent you a good karma! Wish more could understand this wonderful message and enter into GOD'S rest.
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Oh okay, I thought you were responding to someone not accepting our freedom in Christ, sorry. And thank you!

ADDED: Good to bring up God's "rest", which isn't his "work". I don't understand why anyone thinks we should work on or in God's Sabbath Rest.

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The ordinances God gave Moses to write and the Ten commandments written in stone by God are two different things.


2 Chronicles 33:8 Neither will I any more remove the foot of Israel from out of the land which I have appointed for your fathers; so that they will take heed to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.

Exodus 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.

4 And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.

5 And he sent young men of the children of Israel, which offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the LORD.

6 And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar.

7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient.

8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.

9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:

10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.



The ordinances were written by Moses in a book. The commandments were written by God on tabels of stone.


2 Chron.35:12 And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the LORD, as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen.


Moses' book was placed in the side of the Ark of the Covenant while God's Ten Commandments were placed inside the Ark.


Deut.31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,

25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,

26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.


Exodus 31:18
And [the Lord] gave to Moses, when He had made an end of communing with him on Mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.


Deuteronomy 10
1 At that time the LORD said unto me, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first, and come up unto me into the mount, and make thee an ark of wood.

2 And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.

3 And I made an ark of shittim wood, and hewed two tables of stone like unto the first, and went up into the mount, having the two tables in mine hand.

4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

5 And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they be, as the LORD commanded me.


1 Kings 8:9 There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone.



The cerimonial ordinances of Moses' lawbook were a shadowy schoolmaster for the coming Messiah. The sacrificial system of atonement.


Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.


Heb.10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.


Gal.3:19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.



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"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man." Eccl 12:13.
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...I'm spirit so that dont apply to me..the spirit fear's nothing not even death, which doesn't even exist..your created concepts only rule those who think they were created..i am spirit,as we all are which causes the arks to move and talk and create...therefore creations have no authority over the spirit..our spirit existed before the concepts,including but not limited to religious concepts that were spoken and written down by the arks/creations...i have received my new name and overcome the world..the name isn't new though as there's nothing new under the sun but counting a silly birth name it would be seen as new...our name is co-creator,we all share the same spirit therefore we all share the name also..those with calcified pineal gland as beasts wont understand what the spirit says..they will just gnaw their tongues and gnash their teeth as the beast that they are..but they can put that beast back into the sea of forgetfulness and clean their pineal gland out with the white stone manna to receive the hidden manna if they choose too..if not, let them wander in the wilderness still waiting on a promised land that will not come to them and no one will fly out of the sky to save them either..as its written,work our your own salvation..

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How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Raise your hand if you're an Armstronger or SDA....
Yep, I thought so.

I was in WCG for over 21 years, then the lights came on when I read Classic Christianity by Bob George. Do your self a favor and read it. HWA was a fraud and it's easily provable.
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