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Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..

 
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
They didn't live long onough to get cancer! Lifespan was significantly shorter than ours is today.


Thats a really good point...
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How do we know what the average age of death was for those cultures?
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
There was a green monkey cancer virus called SV 40 placed on purpose in all the "polio" vaccines we all got injected with starting near 60 years ago...............bet, that is the cancer "gene" they are testing for now
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
yeah whatever

lots of exercise
no gmo foods
hardly any vices
dead before 30

thats a good plan for avoiding cancer , hell if we just adopted the dead before 30 plan cancer would be a non issue in todays world
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Life Span issues

Chemicals in the environment

(we could NOT support even 20% of today's worl population without the heavy use of chemicals ... thus they have become a necessary evil in today's enviroment ... though of course we should try to eliminate those we find are bad and to limit as much as possible the use of all others)
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
I blame it on...

'medicine' ... Take this pill for a cold a bit of it gets stuck by mucus to your throat lining, you don't realise (why would you).. you go to sleep, you wake up next morning and then it's too late, those cells have had an extremely high dose of whatever 'medicine' and have likely become very toxic, (combined with possible bacteria and virus, say if you were taking something for a.. cold) white blood cells attack that area.

Virus and bacteria are flung everywhere, toxins released as cells are destroyed leaving you a nice toxin ridden infected cellular hole in your throat, then you go outside and take a deep breathe of a car exhaust, or some burnt... whatever and the toxins from the over-medicated area interact witht he particles of 'pollution' and bam cancer ;)

lol

Of course it doesn't happen like that.... ...

But ya get the point.. I think that our 'medicine' plays a large role in creating cancer.

That and we can make a lot of cancerous people survive so much longer and so it spreads to a greater number of the population over the generations.

Do away with cancer!

Kill all those infected!

:D

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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
This was in today's Telegraph (UK)

Cancer caused by modern man as it was virtually non-existent in ancient world

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
There is a school of scientific thought that disease is a stepping stone in evolution. there is a some trade off and/or it slowly rids the gene pool of faulty genes.
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
OP...I gotta agree...look at our domesticated animals...they get cancer! What about wild animals? I bet you can make a comparison.
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
evolution works!
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
The overall incidence rate for childhood cancers has increased significantly by almost 33% during the period 1975 to 2001


And so has the US population...

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Not by 33%...lol...keep your head in the sand..Life will be easier
 Quoting: <<LOOK`n thru YOU>>


FFS

[link to www.censusscope.org]

Add in the fact that Doctor's awareness of these childhood ailments has gone up exponentially, and that diagnosis techniques have come out of the dark ages, and there is your 33%, Sparky...

It's obvious whose head is in the sand...

chuckle
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It's our lifestyles and what we CONSUME...
Our perfect companions never have fewer than four feet. ~Colette
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
The overall incidence rate for childhood cancers has increased significantly by almost 33% during the period 1975 to 2001


And so has the US population...

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Not by 33%...lol...keep your head in the sand..Life will be easier


FFS

[link to www.censusscope.org]

Add in the fact that Doctor's awareness of these childhood ailments has gone up exponentially, and that diagnosis techniques have come out of the dark ages, and there is your 33%, Sparky...

It's obvious whose head is in the sand...

chuckle
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I`m seeing about 13%..not 33%...NOT TO MENTION---THEY ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT CHILDREN, not the whole population

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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
we all should be dead by 70 anyway. Past that is a waste....
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I'll have your donated years, thanks, and anyone else who thinks fucking 'three score years and ten' is all you're worth.

[coughs]Asshole.[/coughs]
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It's our lifestyles and what we CONSUME...
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Fructose Fuels Cancer Cell Growth?
[link to www.vegsource.com]
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
This brings up another area that I have always wondered about...the Central America and South America civilizations seemed to have very little disease, as well as the American Indians.
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Diabetes, heart disease and dental decay were unknown in the indigenous Western populations until they were "introduced" to the European diet.
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
They didn't live long onough to get cancer! Lifespan was significantly shorter than ours is today.


Thats a really good point...
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Yes but people are getting cancers at really young age now. It is not uncommon for someone in their 20's and 30's to get cancer.
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
What kinds of animals rarely get cancers?

Have you seen a bird with cancer?
Our perfect companions never have fewer than four feet. ~Colette
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
They were closer to the physical perfection of adam and eve. also they didnt have all the pollutants we deal with AND they certainly ate better more natural organic foods.
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
CHEMTRAILS!! WIRELESS TRANSMITTERS AIRWAVE POLUTION+toxic preservatives,boosters,colours,sugars,fats,acids + waste products from producing CRAP/90% of everything
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
What kinds of animals rarely get cancers?

Have you seen a bird with cancer?
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Not sure there are many species at all that don`t get affected..

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pharma-nutri-cide.
"The earth is mother of us all, for she is just; but you, because you are unjust have pretended that she is your mother alone; and if you do not stop, I will not permit you to remain upon her."

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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
What kinds of animals rarely get cancers?

Have you seen a bird with cancer?
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Yes Chicken parts are cut out of chickens all the time and the rest of the Chicken is sold as chicken parts, it is very common
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
There is a school of scientific thought that disease is a stepping stone in evolution. there is a some trade off and/or it slowly rids the gene pool of faulty genes.
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That is true actually - back in the days when there was no chemo and cancer treatment, those people would have died and therefore the faulty gene would have been removed from the gene pool.

Nowadays that person would survive and have children.

Diabetes (type 1) was less prominant as well because there was no insulin so anyone with diabetes would have just died when they were babies, now the diabetes gene gets passed on.
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
There is a school of scientific thought that disease is a stepping stone in evolution. there is a some trade off and/or it slowly rids the gene pool of faulty genes.



That is true actually - back in the days when there was no chemo and cancer treatment, those people would have died and therefore the faulty gene would have been removed from the gene pool.

Nowadays that person would survive and have children.

Diabetes (type 1) was less prominant as well because there was no insulin so anyone with diabetes would have just died when they were babies, now the diabetes gene gets passed on.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1059918



Very interesting perspective...so the will to live through medicine could have created even more disease..The "natural course" was altered...In ancient civilizations you would have just died therefor not carrying on the gene..shit that makes sense from a naturalist stand point...

But now everything is loaded with cancer causing chemicals/toxins including the air and water..so now the numbers increase...
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
yeah the nfl is supporting national cancer awareness month and a sports board i belong too i brought this up the other day

about how little signs of cancer are in the archeological record,
not sure they believed me
think most cancers are an engineered virus or fungus of some sort
but you can bet if there is ever a one pill cure or course of antibiotics you could take to get rid of it it would never receive mainstream exposure,

the big money is in long term expensive treatments not short term cures
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
There is a school of scientific thought that disease is a stepping stone in evolution. there is a some trade off and/or it slowly rids the gene pool of faulty genes.



That is true actually - back in the days when there was no chemo and cancer treatment, those people would have died and therefore the faulty gene would have been removed from the gene pool.

Nowadays that person would survive and have children.

Diabetes (type 1) was less prominant as well because there was no insulin so anyone with diabetes would have just died when they were babies, now the diabetes gene gets passed on.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1059918


this idea will go on to say that disease will eventually show up to strengthen the gene pool, not weaken it.
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There is a school of scientific thought that disease is a stepping stone in evolution. there is a some trade off and/or it slowly rids the gene pool of faulty genes.



That is true actually - back in the days when there was no chemo and cancer treatment, those people would have died and therefore the faulty gene would have been removed from the gene pool.

Nowadays that person would survive and have children.

Diabetes (type 1) was less prominant as well because there was no insulin so anyone with diabetes would have just died when they were babies, now the diabetes gene gets passed on.


this idea will go on to say that disease will eventually show up to strengthen the gene pool, not weaken it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1123608



I doubt our bodies can adapt fast enough...but who knows. The human body is an amazing thing
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
The overall incidence rate for childhood cancers has increased significantly by almost 33% during the period 1975 to 2001


And so has the US population...

sigh



Not by 33%...lol...keep your head in the sand..Life will be easier


FFS

[link to www.censusscope.org]

Add in the fact that Doctor's awareness of these childhood ailments has gone up exponentially, and that diagnosis techniques have come out of the dark ages, and there is your 33%, Sparky...

It's obvious whose head is in the sand...

chuckle
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I`m seeing about 13%..not 33%...NOT TO MENTION---THEY ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT CHILDREN, not the whole population
 Quoting: <<LOOK`n thru YOU>>



Try this instead:

[link to www.u-s-history.com]

1970 213,302,031

2000 291,421,906

That's an increase of appx 78,119,875 according to the US Census...

Now...How much of an increase in population is that again?

chuckle
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
The overall incidence rate for childhood cancers has increased significantly by almost 33% during the period 1975 to 2001


And so has the US population...

sigh



Not by 33%...lol...keep your head in the sand..Life will be easier


FFS

[link to www.censusscope.org]

Add in the fact that Doctor's awareness of these childhood ailments has gone up exponentially, and that diagnosis techniques have come out of the dark ages, and there is your 33%, Sparky...

It's obvious whose head is in the sand...

chuckle
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I`m seeing about 13%..not 33%...NOT TO MENTION---THEY ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT CHILDREN, not the whole population



Try this instead:

[link to www.u-s-history.com]

1970 213,302,031

2000 291,421,906

That's an increase of appx 78,119,875 according to the US Census...

Now...How much of an increase in population is that again?

chuckle
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1130914



Once again...the article is discussing children only--so if you can do the math on that just keep on laughing...You can`t figure it out. The study was on children only now quit trying to NOT make yourself look stupid
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
They didn't live long onough to get cancer! Lifespan was significantly shorter than ours is today.


Thats a really good point...



Yes but people are getting cancers at really young age now. It is not uncommon for someone in their 20's and 30's to get cancer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1059918


Yeah, and the comment about pets getting cancer is valid as well. I know a ton of people who have had to put their dog down because of cancer.
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Re: Obviously we are killing ourselves..ancient people showed very little signs of cancer..
I made a lot of money off of big pharma company stocks so VIVA LA CANCER as far as I am concerned

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