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Stunning evidence of a Caldera volcano in Arkansas! Must read!

 
TheJuiceisLoose (OP)

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Re: Stunning evidence of a Caldera volcano in Arkansas! Must read!
Far Far back in time, there WERE active volcanos in Arkansas.
The diamond mine in Murfreesboro is an old volcanic kimberlite pipe and there are more places all around that area where lava reached the surface far far back in history extending at least southwest to Nashville where about 10 years ago there was also some commercial exploration for diamonds at a kimberlite pipe near the Nashville wastewater treatment plant.
Diamonds [link to en.wikipedia.org]
The earthquakes near Guy and in Oklahoma are caused by natural gas frackturing injection wells and are not associated with New Madrid which is far to the northeast of Guy.
Those injection wells force water/chemicals very very deep and are very nearly exactly on top of the epicenter of the earthquakes.
Hydraulic fracturing [link to en.wikipedia.org]
Also the New Madrid seismic zone is separate, unrelated and pretty well defined.
New Madrid quakes
[link to commons.wikimedia.org]
The fracking water/chemicals lubricate the joints between rock formations and they slip a little.

If you read my post you would know that I was stating that there WERE volcanoes in Arkansas and when I plotted Earthquake locations in Arkansas it points directly to one of the most unique places in the world which is volcanically active, Hot springs, ar. As far as the cause of the quakes being Fracking, from the depth and rise in magnitude you can see that it is most likely not the cause. The quakes are occuring a good 3 miles below the maximum depth of the basin they are drilling in. The USGS does not even know what is going on there and have studied that area for almost 30 years, before hydraulic fracturing even existed. They even gave the area a name, The Enola swarm zone. I will post the E-mail I received from the USGS in a second stating that this has been going on longer than that technology existed.

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So it is just total coincidence that the earthquakes are happening right where the injection wells are?
The injection wells force water/chemicals into every nook and crannie far below and to the sides of the well depth.

USGS states: "A M3.8 earthquake is not unprecedented in central Arkansas. Northern Faulkner County and parts of adjoining counties have had small earthquakes at least since the start of 1982. That year saw a swarm of more than 17,000 shocks, nearly all of which were too small to feel. The 1982 swarm was named after the nearby town of Enola. Earthquake activity decreased through 1982 and remained low after that. It picked up again in 2009, although not to the level of 1982. Earthquakes of magnitude 4.0 or larger occurred in the swarm area on January 21, 1982 (M 4.3); May 4, 2001 (M 4.3); and October 11, 2010 (M 4.0)."

AGS hazards supervisor states: "“If you think about it, there’s over 2,000 production wells in the shale area; if there’s a relationship between the two, these earthquakes should be all over where the wells are, but this isn’t the case,” Ausbrooks added."
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That's not what the guy on the news said. Also I read an article that stated back in Sept. Fracking was suspended in that area...
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your'e right
[link to www.todaysthv.com]

see, there is no way it's from fracking.

They don't say why they stopped it, They must have stopped for a good reason
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Re: Stunning evidence of a Caldera volcano in Arkansas! Must read!
So it is just total coincidence that the earthquakes are happening right where the injection wells are?
The injection wells force water/chemicals into every nook and crannie far below and to the sides of the well depth.

USGS states: "A M3.8 earthquake is not unprecedented in central Arkansas. Northern Faulkner County and parts of adjoining counties have had small earthquakes at least since the start of 1982. That year saw a swarm of more than 17,000 shocks, nearly all of which were too small to feel. The 1982 swarm was named after the nearby town of Enola. Earthquake activity decreased through 1982 and remained low after that. It picked up again in 2009, although not to the level of 1982. Earthquakes of magnitude 4.0 or larger occurred in the swarm area on January 21, 1982 (M 4.3); May 4, 2001 (M 4.3); and October 11, 2010 (M 4.0)."

AGS hazards supervisor states: "“If you think about it, there’s over 2,000 production wells in the shale area; if there’s a relationship between the two, these earthquakes should be all over where the wells are, but this isn’t the case,” Ausbrooks added."
[link to thecabin.net]

That's not what the guy on the news said. Also I read an article that stated back in Sept. Fracking was suspended in that area...


I think fracking injection wells are the only thing that makes the gas exploration and the production wells productive and cost effective.
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at the cost of contaminating watersheds and poisoning locals that drink it...
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If it were Fraking... wouldn't the the wells be in the general depth range of the quakes?

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Re: Stunning evidence of a Caldera volcano in Arkansas! Must read!
If it were Fraking... wouldn't the the wells be in the general depth range of the quakes?

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The fracking injection wells are over areas where the gas companies think/know that they can force their water/chemicals the deepest, down and out thru cracks/crannies to create even more cracks and crannies to ultimately force trapped gas to surrounding production/recovery wells.
I've seen demonstrations on Science channel that indicate rocks that can't move against each other suddenly can when lubricated with water.

To me, there are 3 big danger areas for earthquakes in the USA.
1st by a LONG margin is the Cascadia region which is the coasts of Oregon, Washington and Canada.
When it goes, it will be unimaginable.
And it is demonstrably due to go.
2nd is any of the many faults in and near Los Angeles.
Could happen any time.
3rd is a repeat of of the 1811 New Madrid events.
There is evidence that 1811 was not the first, that there have been earthquakes there over and over further back.

And as the OP just mentioned, nobody knows what these chemicals really are or if they can reach aquifers and what the results would be.
The companies and the government consider these chemicals to be "trade secrets"
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Interesting... but the Cascadia subduction zone and Southern California are not the seismic areas in question. They have their own issues.

Hydrofracking typically involves dumping in a copious amount of water with that "secret sauce" and then applying an overpressure that when coupled with the hydrostativ pressure of the water at that depth, can overcome the pressure of the rock in that formation. Due to the physics of it, the cracks propagate upwards towards the lower stress area.

This is the part about Hydrofracking that causes issues and questions regarding the integrity of aquifers.

Given that, my question still stands. The wells are above... and in many cases FAR above where the quakes are occurring. Since hydrofracking tends to generate upward moving cracks, how can it be the cause of the deeper lying quakes?

Can it affect pore pressure? Probably. How far can that effect propagate? Unknown. (at least to me)
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Good find Op!!!
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Only on GLP. A few earthquakes = super volcano. Obviously.
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Fuck man, the link [link to www.arkansas.com] is not working !!!
TheJuiceisLoose (OP)

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Re: Stunning evidence of a Caldera volcano in Arkansas! Must read!
Interesting... but the Cascadia subduction zone and Southern California are not the seismic areas in question. They have their own issues.

Hydrofracking typically involves dumping in a copious amount of water with that "secret sauce" and then applying an overpressure that when coupled with the hydrostativ pressure of the water at that depth, can overcome the pressure of the rock in that formation. Due to the physics of it, the cracks propagate upwards towards the lower stress area.

This is the part about Hydrofracking that causes issues and questions regarding the integrity of aquifers.

Given that, my question still stands. The wells are above... and in many cases FAR above where the quakes are occurring. Since hydrofracking tends to generate upward moving cracks, how can it be the cause of the deeper lying quakes?

Can it affect pore pressure? Probably. How far can that effect propagate? Unknown. (at least to me)
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The USGS knew about the quakes right there before there was drilling in Arkansas its called the Enola swarm zone.
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Re: Stunning evidence of a Caldera volcano in Arkansas! Must read!
Yes I'd love to but posting them from my Droid would be the issue. I live in no internet land and it sucks I just have my cell atm. Also, there are a lot of cracks and holes along the road beside this blue hole...might just be typical for Arkansas though. Great post op.

I mentioned this on the Arkansas eq thread but I live about 20 miles maybe from hot springs Arkansas and I mention that I passes what is locally known as a " blue hole" daily. Dispit being in a bit of a drought in the area in the past week the water level in this " blue hole" has risen a noticeable amount. I am always at near by lakes and just last Saturday went fishing, all nieghboring lakes are at record lows. I have had an extra eye on this " blue hole" and its water level seems to be rising still, it is almost to the edge of the bank and normally sit a foot or a little more below.

Keep an eye on it and keep us posted on any changes. Can you get pics of it? Maybe we can make a weekly comparison to see if it is rising

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regards your internet, if you have a working cell phone, I would think you can get mobile broadband. It uses the cell towers.
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Well, it's comforting to know that those of us in California can breathe a sigh of relief that we're not the only ones scheduled for cosmic, earthly relocation.

I live on a fault north of the San Andreas supposedly 20 years overdue. To my midwestern compadres, trust me, you get used to it and life just goes on like it or not.

If you are Christian, it's just an early exit to heaven. If you're not, it's off to another life or plane or existence or just, well, over. Either way, you're gonna get there sooner or later.

All we have for sure is today anyway...blessings.
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If your are a Christian???????? gimme a break on that one, because MOST christians haven't earned heaven yet.
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Wow, great post OP. Thank you very much, kinda make me think about the quakes we have been having in Oklahoma as of late, this last one was one of the bigger ones, but we have been having a few. I live in OKC and so this is some nice info for me, thanks again.
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So we have another possible super volcano lurking in our back yards, interesting.
2012 will be an interesting year, the circle will be complete and the Earth will start its cyclical renewal.
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Doesn't sound good...but makes me want to visit the Hell place.

yea, im gonna try and find it next time im in the area.
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Gimmie a holler and I'll go with ya.I live in Hot Springs
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You was warned and you wouldn't listen.
Why didn't you listen?
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Doesn't sound good...but makes me want to visit the Hell place.

yea, im gonna try and find it next time im in the area.


Gimmie a holler and I'll go with ya.I live in Hot Springs
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Have you ever been to that area Chawlee? Does it feel all creepy like they are trying to say?
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Doesn't sound good...but makes me want to visit the Hell place.

yea, im gonna try and find it next time im in the area.


Gimmie a holler and I'll go with ya.I live in Hot Springs



Have you ever been to that area Chawlee? Does it feel all creepy like they are trying to say?
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Hadn't heard about it till this thread.I'm an Okie transplant

Never been there,but I worked up on Mill Creek road awhile back and it did feel strange in that area.

Two of the roads up there are Higher Ground and Promise Land

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Doesn't sound good...but makes me want to visit the Hell place.

yea, im gonna try and find it next time im in the area.


Gimmie a holler and I'll go with ya.I live in Hot Springs



Have you ever been to that area Chawlee? Does it feel all creepy like they are trying to say?


Hadn't heard about it till this thread.I'm an Okie transplant

Never been there,but I worked up on Mill Creek road awhile back and it feel strange in that area.

Two of the roads up there are Higher Ground and Promise Land
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That would be very strange rolling off the tounge! "I live on Promised Land Rd." LMAO....

Maybe that's a bible belt thing.

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Good stuff juice. I never knew there was so much in Arkansas. I went a little overboard buying minerals and crystals there last year. Wish I had known there was so much to investigate.

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VERY interesting thread.

great job op. i live in arkansas as well as some of the other posters here.

makes a bit of sense. definitely worth further investigation.

intersting enough to make me log in on a weekend, and that's saying something...

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That area seems to be a dangerous place over the years. The asteroid that hit the Gulf wiping out the dinos 65 million years ago, a potential caldera area, the New Madrid fault.

I don't think if shtf that would be a good area, funny how that Navy guy was told that the Ozarks would be a safe area for the earth changes.
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Good Job OP! Your type of post is what keeps me coming back!
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Re: Stunning evidence of a Caldera volcano in Arkansas! Must read!
...The USGS knew about the quakes right there before there was drilling in Arkansas its called the Enola swarm zone.

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So, what you are obtusely stating is that you agree.

Too bad that caldera idea doesn't wash.
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...The USGS knew about the quakes right there before there was drilling in Arkansas its called the Enola swarm zone.



So, what you are obtusely stating is that you agree.

Too bad that caldera idea doesn't wash.
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~ Y'all Are CrAzY Doom Tards!! But I love y'all anyway... well, not the shills, not so much... ~

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I haven't read through all 6 pages so I don't know if anyone has mentioned Crater of Diamonds State Park near Murfreesboro Arkansas. That place is some pretty solid proof of volcanic activity in that area.
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So we have another possible super volcano lurking in our back yards, interesting.
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Yeah, been known for a while.
Last thing i heard about it they believed that it was fed by one large hotspot that is cooling down.

The presence of rhyolite magma suggests that it once was capable of very explosive eruptions.

Big eruptions are unlikely unless someone does something very stupid.
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Finally the strangest place in this volcanic area is called "Hells half acre". It is a small area of land in the middle of forest where nothing can grow and animals, even hunting dogs will avoid. Apparently it is believed by some people that "the devil lives down there" [link to www.hsnp.com] Picture: [link to commondatastorage.googleapis.com] Notice that the trees surrounding the area are all dead. This suggests that some kind of activity is producing something very toxic.

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No, it's called autumn or winter.
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Re: Stunning evidence of a Caldera volcano in Arkansas! Must read!
...The USGS knew about the quakes right there before there was drilling in Arkansas its called the Enola swarm zone.



So, what you are obtusely stating is that you agree.

Too bad that caldera idea doesn't wash.

~ This is what it is like to talk to shills, deniers of truth, and the arrogantly ignorant ignorers (yeah, I made that word up, big whoop, wanna fight about it?) of evidential facts:

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+1
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Re: Stunning evidence of a Caldera volcano in Arkansas! Must read!
So we have another possible super volcano lurking in our back yards, interesting.

Yeah, been known for a while.
Last thing i heard about it they believed that it was fed by one large hotspot that is cooling down.

The presence of rhyolite magma suggests that it once was capable of very explosive eruptions.

Big eruptions are unlikely unless someone does something very stupid.
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something stupid like mining out novaculite which could be plugging it
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Doesn't sound good...but makes me want to visit the Hell place.

yea, im gonna try and find it next time im in the area.


Gimmie a holler and I'll go with ya.I live in Hot Springs
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I'm in Little Rock Juice. We can make it a GLP road trip. lkjv

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