MIND CONTROL: Obeying Authority Figures

I have seen the original tape from 1961 as I am sure many of you have as well. After watching both tapes I am left with one question:

In the Stanley Milgram experiment at Yale, was he testing Obedience to Authority Or Just Conformity?

In the Stanley Milgram experiment at Yale, was he testing Obedience to Authority Or Just Conformity?

I would say Obedience. As I understand it there was only an authority figure and the lone test subject in the room.

And of course the screaming shock victim.



Z

In the Stanley Milgram experiment at Yale, was he testing Obedience to Authority Or Just Conformity?

I would say Obedience. As I understand it there was only an authority figure and the lone test subject in the room.

And of course the screaming shock victim.



Z

Yeah, I agree...it was a test on obedience to authority. They sent a survey to all the participants a year after the 1961 experiment and many were appalled that they could posses such a capacity for obedience and compliance to a central idea.

I have to think that one way to interpret the behavior of these people is to believe that ALL of us "may" harbor a deeply aggressive instinct (perhaps originally intended for survival purposes) that keeps pressing for expression and this very experiment gave them "justification" to release their impluses.

In other words, if a person in a situation has complete power over another individual, whom they may punish and much as they like...maybe then all that is sadistic and bestial in man comes forth?

From the time you could talk you were taught to obey:

Santa Claus
Jesus
God
Cops
Priests
Pastors
Teachers
Principals
Parents
Uncles
Aunts
Grandma
Grandpa
Street Signs
Military Figures
The Boss
The Government


Now that you are older, how many of these still have any power over you? How many still deserve your respect? How many are you still a slave to?

From the time you could talk you were taught to obey:

Santa Claus
Jesus
God
Cops
Priests
Pastors
Teachers
Principals
Parents
Uncles
Aunts
Grandma
Grandpa
Street Signs
Military Figures
The Boss
The Government


Now that you are older, how many of these still have any power over you? How many still deserve your respect? How many are you still a slave to?

Yeah, I agree...it was a test on obedience to authority. They sent a survey to all the participants a year after the 1961 experiment and many were appalled that they could posses such a capacity for obedience and compliance to a central idea.

I have to think that one way to interpret the behavior of these people is to believe that ALL of us "may" harbor a deeply aggressive instinct (perhaps originally intended for survival purposes) that keeps pressing for expression and this very experiment gave them "justification" to release their impluses.

In other words, if a person in a situation has complete power over another individual, whom they may punish and much as they like...maybe then all that is sadistic and bestial in man comes forth?

Are you familiar with Edward Bernays??

It is truly frightening and understandable that people susceptible to such "authority" coercion are such easy prey for such men.

To me this all leads us into the atrocities of manufactured warfare.

Sir, yes Sir!!!
I hear
I obey
I slay

Z

Interesting how you hit the nail on the head. LANGUAGE provides numerous terms to pinpoint morality:

Loyalty
Duty
Respect
Selfless-Service
Honor
Integrity
Personal Service

All these terms I remember memorizing and didn't "REALLY UNDERSTAND" how powerful they were. These terms are heavily saturated with moral meaning and refer to the degree to which a person fulfills his obligations to authority.

Truly an interesting and fascinating subject. :-)

Truly an interesting and fascinating subject. :-)


Same here really. I don't think many people understand their placement in society as it is today,.. is dictated by the power of language to bypass peoples personal moral imperitives,...and have them under another mind control as you say.

Hard not to sacrifice your mind these days to the will of another with all the media push and pull traveling through cyberspace. All the pundits on both sides of the political arena.

Good luck with getting some chat going on this subject. I would suspect it hits too close to home for most folk to contemplate.


Z

:lunadisobey:

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This shit is getting out of control. I was in Wal-Mart. Big sign there says flu shots availible.

Now I'm thinking, what is in them??

Chips anyone?

The need to belong is one idea.

Yeah, taught to us from a very young age and perhaps some is again "pack" survival instinct or even where Group Think comes from.

Not sure what video is even there yet...I bumped to watch it later...but here's my take on mind control in general.

Mind Control is possible...more so with a consenting target.

Fascinating subject for sure...mostly because it's one subject that deals with the complex nature of our entire being...who we are...or beliefs...our personalities...how we were raised...our experiences.

I was just also reading about a social psychologist named Solomon Asch from Rutgers University that did experiments in the early 50s on Opinions and Social Pressure. He essentially discovered that individuals can be influenced by groups to deny the evidence of their own senses. In other words, individuals can and "WILL" surrender their own judgment to others, even when those others are clearly in the wrong:




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From the time you could talk you were taught to obey:

Santa Claus
Jesus
God
Cops
Priests
Pastors
Teachers
Principals
Parents
Uncles
Aunts
Grandma
Grandpa
Street Signs
Military Figures
The Boss
The Government


Now that you are older, how many of these still have any power over you? How many still deserve your respect? How many are you still a slave to?

This shit is getting out of control. I was in Wal-Mart. Big sign there says flu shots availible.

Now I'm thinking, what is in them??

Chips anyone?

I have heard that some places (here it is at the Health Department)are even giving them away for free.

...the FIRST MISTAKE is agreeing to the experiment in the first place. all "participants" should have refused. Why did they not? Because the societies we live in are designed to strip away any and all self-respect and replace it with respect of others...serving others...in power and control.

When you KNOW you are a SOVEREIGN INDIVIDUAL who answers ONLY to THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE, then no one can compell you or control you to behave any other way than as a SOVEREIGN INDIVIDUAL with compassion for all.

All forms of power are IDOLATRY. pure and simple.

The Asch Conformity experiment
The Good Samaritan experiment
The Bystander Apathy experiment
The Stanford Prison experiment
The Milgram experiment

Experiments like these are freaking awesome. They really show the true nature of human beings and it's pretty awful.

Although these are controlled experiments, i wouldn't want to call these 'mind-control'. These set-ups are created to find out what people do if they confronted with certain situations. They are not trying to influence the thoughts of a person. They merely present a scenario and see what people do.

But.. the results from these tests can be used for mind-control purposes though. The military uses these techniques all the time on their toy-soldiers.

i wouldn't want to call these 'mind-control'.

i wouldn't want to call these 'mind-control'.

I agree...it's commonly misused to describe all forms of manipulation but I think in this thread that's what it's referring to.

I'm usually the first to say that mind control in it's literal definition does NOT exist...but when defined like it's being used here...as general manipulation "mind control"...it does.