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Divergent Thinking, Never Mind the Linear - Change the Education Paradigms, Live & Learn LATERALLY

 
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Divergent Thinking, Never Mind the Linear - Change the Education Paradigms, Live & Learn LATERALLY
Sir Ken Robinson, world-renowned education and creativity expert and recipient of the RSA's Benjamin Franklin award.

Changing the Education Paradigms...


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First in!

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chuckle
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Excellent.

In it's present form, "education" basically inhibits creativity, which is a damn shame. I wish there had been half the resources available to use back in the dark ages when I started teaching before the advent of "frameworks," and standardized testing.

If only I'd had just a computer and a digital camera back then! (long sigh)
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The man is a genius, IMHO. And a fellow scouser!
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I wish I could watch the video, but have dial up ....

But I do believe we have crossed the line from education to 'training' in schools. The children are trained for a test, rather than being taught to learn, think and discover. This is the main reason I homeschool my children, to help them learn to learn, to ask questions and seek answers, to solve problems creatively, and hopefully to help change this world for the better someday.
Although more and more lately I have realized that while this is intended to be a gift, it may also be a terrible burden in the world we are currently living in.

"Accept the children with reverence, educate them with love, send them forth in freedom.” – Rudolf Steiner
To have done anything just for money is to have been truly idle.
-Henry David Thoreau
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bump Deserves it.
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Excellent.

In it's present form, "education" basically inhibits creativity, which is a damn shame. I wish there had been half the resources available to use back in the dark ages when I started teaching before the advent of "frameworks," and standardized testing.

If only I'd had just a computer and a digital camera back then! (long sigh)
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Its good to hear a teacher comment on this...
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The man is a genius, IMHO. And a fellow scouser!
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Yeah, this presentation is amazing...
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I'm surprised there's not more interest in this
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some of us need a some Coffee before waking to this reality.

But this is a great thread. (like always)

THANK YOU
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Oh. My. God.

That's me-divergent thinker!

Its everything I know intuitively is WRONG with the industrialization of education!! I have been crowing about this for 15 years, holy carp!!


Awesome, thank you thank you THANK YOU, SickScent!!! You have NO idea what this means to me-seriously.
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Oh. My. God.

That's me-divergent thinker!

Its everything I know intuitively is WRONG with the industrialization of education!! I have been crowing about this for 15 years, holy carp!!


Awesome, thank you thank you THANK YOU, SickScent!!! You have NO idea what this means to me-seriously.
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Good! I think this guy (and you) are right on...
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Funny thing is, I came to this conclusion based on my own educational experiences:

Two years, teachers college in a pilot program. There, we kids could ask a question, we'd all be shuffled off to the appropriate college teacher and get it answered. No chit. Imagine, just imagine.

Then, six or seven years in a one room school. There, you progressed at your own rate-class/year did not matter. The division there was kindergarten to 6th grade, and 7th through 12th on the other side of the tiny school house. (Two teachers, under 30 kids total). This is how I ended up reading college level (with comprehension, mind you) at age 10.

From there, I ended up in your modern type school-hundreds of kids over three grades. It was a miserable experience overall, the work was easy and nothing really got me engaged. Pulled As and Bs with 10 minute reviews of texts and was bored out of my mind.

I am afraid my own child may have his creativity and natural curiosity squashed by the education system. It's a big fear, he's smart and obviously also a divergent thinker.
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Reason I read GLP is to let my mind wander -- so I can return focus and concentrate on what I'm doing.

Overloading visual input is fun too.
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Goofy Thum

Excellent video. The animation was outstanding!!
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thanks once more ss.
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I wish I could watch the video, but have dial up ....

But I do believe we have crossed the line from education to 'training' in schools. The children are trained for a test, rather than being taught to learn, think and discover. This is the main reason I homeschool my children, to help them learn to learn, to ask questions and seek answers, to solve problems creatively, and hopefully to help change this world for the better someday.
Although more and more lately I have realized that while this is intended to be a gift, it may also be a terrible burden in the world we are currently living in.

"Accept the children with reverence, educate them with love, send them forth in freedom.” – Rudolf Steiner
 Quoting: DrinkingBuddy


I do believe we have crossed the line from education to 'training' in schools

i am drunk now, when i am sober i can explain why this is the cleverest statement


Smiley
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I wish I could watch the video, but have dial up ....

But I do believe we have crossed the line from education to 'training' in schools. The children are trained for a test, rather than being taught to learn, think and discover. This is the main reason I homeschool my children, to help them learn to learn, to ask questions and seek answers, to solve problems creatively, and hopefully to help change this world for the better someday.
Although more and more lately I have realized that while this is intended to be a gift, it may also be a terrible burden in the world we are currently living in.

"Accept the children with reverence, educate them with love, send them forth in freedom.” – Rudolf Steiner

I do believe we have crossed the line from education to 'training' in schools

i am drunk now, when i am sober i can explain why this is the cleverest statement


Smiley
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Have one for me field! cheers
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Thanks again SS....Pink Floyd said it...We dont need no education we dont need our thoughts controlled...If we all lived by the truth of life...everyone would see how ridiculous this all is....Being Or living the truth..or awakened really has you feel like your alone...everything that humans are doing is so mundane...I live in a world of zombies....
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bump...to get off the second page..... hf
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Thanks again SS....Pink Floyd said it...We dont need no education we dont need our thoughts controlled...If we all lived by the truth of life...everyone would see how ridiculous this all is....Being Or living the truth..or awakened really has you feel like your alone...everything that humans are doing is so mundane...I live in a world of zombies....
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Yes...imagine the leaps and bounds human intelligence could make if, from the age of a small child, we were allowed to do 2 things

1. Think for ourselves
2. Think outside the box

Collapse the rigid structure that keeps kids from imagination tools...could you imagine the thought that's would come from such a 'school' with all the information of the internet to push it along!?
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Imagine sitting of an evening with your four year old. He is asking about space, time and distance. The discussion covers the solar system, the galaxy, and finally the universe.

It was all about numbers-how far away is the sun? The moon? What are the stars? How far away are there? How long would it take to get there? What's a light year? How far is that? Do the stars have planets and people too? Do they look up at their stars? How many days in a light year? How many seconds in a day?


Yes, a serious conversation for a four year old, don't you think?

Had me scrambling, let me tell you, haha
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Imagine sitting of an evening with your four year old. He is asking about space, time and distance. The discussion covers the solar system, the galaxy, and finally the universe.

It was all about numbers-how far away is the sun? The moon? What are the stars? How far away are there? How long would it take to get there? What's a light year? How far is that? Do the stars have planets and people too? Do they look up at their stars? How many days in a light year? How many seconds in a day?


Yes, a serious conversation for a four year old, don't you think?

Had me scrambling, let me tell you, haha
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My 6 year old daughter is the same way...I think she learns more from me than anything in school...its fun
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I'll have to explore this when I get back from an appointment. Looking forward to it! bump
When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.

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I'll have to explore this when I get back from an appointment. Looking forward to it! bump
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I think you'll really enjoy it...
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Thanks again SS....Pink Floyd said it...We dont need no education we dont need our thoughts controlled...If we all lived by the truth of life...everyone would see how ridiculous this all is....Being Or living the truth..or awakened really has you feel like your alone...everything that humans are doing is so mundane...I live in a world of zombies....

Yes...imagine the leaps and bounds human intelligence could make if, from the age of a small child, we were allowed to do 2 things

1. Think for ourselves
2. Think outside the box

Collapse the rigid structure that keeps kids from imagination tools...could you imagine the thought that's would come from such a 'school' with all the information of the internet to push it along!?
 Quoting: Sickscent

With you all the way...I have a 4 year old..still a little young for great understanding...but i keep him from getting vaccinations...and am raising him with the truth in his heart..i want to home school him so bad..but ran into some conflict from family...i will soon and hes only in kindergarten..they pretty much play all day..he is by far the smartest in the class the teacher keeps saying..I know just avoiding the vaccines he has more of a chance of evolving spiritually than any other child...He does think for himself and is always outside the box...Much love to us free thinkers... hf
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SickScent.......long shot here, but years ago I read a wonderful science fiction novel that had to do with education. The main portion was about a general (or generals' daughter?) taking over the US (sort of a coup) and how that change lead to a different way of schooling. It focused on four or five "delinquent" types and what they created when allowed to run with their own ideas. Amazing read, honest.

Now, the trouble is, I *thought* the title was "The General's Daughter", but apparently this is not correct. Does any of this ring any bells with you? I would dearly love to ferret out a copy of this, if I can figure out the title.......you would find many parallels between that novel, and this video :)
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The narrator has a website too :)

[link to sirkenrobinson.com]

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