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Quote from a past President: "I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens ..."

 
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I came across this very interesting quote while browsing quotes this morning!


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Prominent atheists and atheist groups have asserted that discrimination against atheists is illustrated by a statement allegedly said by George H. W. Bush during a public press conference during his campaign for the presidency in 1987.[25][52][53][54] When asked by atheistic journalist Robert Sherman about the equal citizenship and patriotism of American atheists, Sherman reports that Bush answered, "No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." [25][54] The accuracy of the quote has been questioned, however, as Sherman did not tape the exchange and no other journalist reported on it.[25]

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Six views ... five stars ... but no comments!

C'mon guys ... I thought this would generate some good "conversation". aq hehe

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true or not, we have to take info from Wiki with a grain of salt. My assertion is that both the question and the answer has been altered just enough to get a specific concept portrayed.

While I am no fan of the bush family, I don't see any presidential nominee singling out any group of people that might vote for them.
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true or not, we have to take info from Wiki with a grain of salt. //...

 Quoting: SmartAss

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So true.

I came across the quote while searching for another quote, and couldn't bellieve my eyes!

So ... I did a search. Many entries on that quote!

[link to www.google.com]

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because we all know, if you don't believe in god, you are not a real person.
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because we all know, if you don't believe in god, you are not a real person.
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That isn't quite what he said. ...

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Paraphrasing some French math wiz "If you believe in God, live a good life, and you're wrong, no harm done. However, if you don't believe in God, and you're wrong, you're screwed." He said this in the 1800's.
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Paraphrasing some French math wiz "If you believe in God, live a good life, and you're wrong, no harm done. However, if you don't believe in God, and you're wrong, you're screwed." He said this in the 1800's.
 Quoting: Lotta Rock

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I've heard (read) the same sentiment in various forms.

Very true. ;)

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Paraphrasing some French math wiz "If you believe in God, live a good life, and you're wrong, no harm done. However, if you don't believe in God, and you're wrong, you're screwed." He said this in the 1800's.
 Quoting: Lotta Rock

1660s.

But which god to believe in, there are so many of them?

Pascal's Wager is a classic example of intellectual cowardice, and unrealistic.
People don't believe because they want to believe.
They just do. You can't force it.
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Paraphrasing some French math wiz "If you believe in God, live a good life, and you're wrong, no harm done. However, if you don't believe in God, and you're wrong, you're screwed." He said this in the 1800's.

1660s.

But which god to believe in, there are so many of them?

Pascal's Wager is a classic example of intellectual cowardice, and unrealistic.
People don't believe because they want to believe.
They just do. You can't force it.
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 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

I think you are wrong. People believe because they want to believe. People always look for easy answers and a God up in the sky that loves them is a pretty easy answer. SO if you tell people that there is some God that hears their prayers, loves them to death and then has some big mansion ready for them when they die, THEY WILL BELIEVE IT. They believe it because they want to. You don't need to force it.
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SO if you tell people that there is some God that hears their prayers, loves them to death and then has some big mansion ready for them when they die, THEY WILL BELIEVE IT.
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I didn't.

I seem to have been born without the required brain-lobe.
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Paraphrasing some French math wiz "If you believe in God, live a good life, and you're wrong, no harm done. However, if you don't believe in God, and you're wrong, you're screwed." He said this in the 1800's.
 Quoting: Lotta Rock


Prooves again that math wizs are dumb as hell on anything except numbers.
What are you gonna say when you stand in front of Zeus ( you can't lie to Zeus), "I pretended to believe in you because I was worried what happens if I don't?"
Or will you say, "I might have believed in you, if you had just given ANY indication of your existance".
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What are you gonna say when you stand in front of Zeus ( you can't lie to Zeus), "I pretended to believe in you because I was worried what happens if I don't?"
Or will you say, "I might have believed in you, if you had just given ANY indication of your existence".
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Yep. The deity complete ignores those it created as sceptics.

No fair.
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Something CREATED all of This...That's all I know.
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because we all know, if you don't believe in god, you are not a real person.

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That isn't quite what he said. ...

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 Quoting: Aquarius 7
perhaps you would care to explain just how it isn't quite what he said?
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because we all know, if you don't believe in god, you are not a real person.

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That isn't quite what he said. ...

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perhaps you would care to explain just how it isn't quite what he said?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1130842

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I'll try to explain this as clearly as possible for your benefit.

They were discussing citizenship in the USA, not whether an individual was "a real person".

Of course an atheist is "a real person" ... It was his questioning, however, of how an atheist person (who does not believe in God), could he be a citizen, -- i.e. member -- of a nation which is under God.

I don't really know how to explain it more clearly than that. If someone can do a better job, then have at it. ;)

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So according to the Repubs America only pretends to be a democracy?
It is in fact a Talibanistan in disguise?
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So according to the Repubs America only pretends to be a democracy?
It is in fact a Talibanistan in disguise?
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 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

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According to Republicans, America is a Republic.

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Something CREATED all of This...That's all I know.
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According to Republicans, America is a Republic
 Quoting: Aquarius 7

So was ancient Rome before Octavian. Not a place you'd want to live.

A republic is a form of government in which the people or some portion thereof retain supreme control over the government,[1][2] and in which the head of government is not a monarch.

Americans only use the word republic because they don't like the 'liberal' in liberal democracy.

Are you admitting that the US is NOT a liberal democracy?
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because we all know, if you don't believe in god, you are not a real person.
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So....shall we just pretend and still go fly the brooms by night? rockon
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According to Republicans, America is a Republic
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So was ancient Rome before Octavian. Not a place you'd want to live.

A republic is a form of government in which the people or some portion thereof retain supreme control over the government,[1][2] and in which the head of government is not a monarch.

Americans only use the word republic because they don't like the 'liberal' in liberal democracy.

Are you admitting that the US is NOT a liberal democracy?
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 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

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"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."


hmm I'm not finding the words "liberal" or "democracy" anywhere in that oath.

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So equal rights for all is completly unimportant?
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ignatures on the US Constitution

George WASHINGTON, President

New Hampshire: JOHN LANGDON, NICHOLAS GILMAN

Massachusetts: NATHANIEL GORHAM, RUFUS KING

Connecticut: WM. SAML. JOHNSON, ROGER SHERMAN

New York: ALEXANDER HAMILTON

New Jersey: WIL. LIVINGSTON, DAVID BREARLEY, WM. PATERSON, JONA. DAYTON

Pennsylvania: B. FRANKLIN, THOMAS MIFFLIN, ROBT MORRIS, GEO. CLYMER, THOS. FITZSIMONS, JARED INGERSOLL, JAMES WILSON, GOUV MORRIS

Delaware: GEO. READ, GUNNING BEDFORD jun, JOHN DICKINSON, RICHARD BASSETT, JACO. BROOM

Maryland: JAMES MCHENRY, DAN OF ST THOS. JENIFER, DANL CARROLL

Virginia: JOHN BLAIR, JAMES MADISON jr

North Carolina: WM. BLOUNT, RICHD. DOBBS SPAIGHT, HU WILLIAMSON

South Carolina: J. RUTLEDGE, CHARLES COTESWORTH PINCKNEY, CHARLES PINCKNEY, PIERCE BUTLER

Georgia: WILLIAM FEW, ABR BALDWIN
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So equal rights for all is completly unimportant?
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 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

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You are starting to annoy me, HD. Sort of like a two year old that continues to pester, just to get attention.

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I think I will go with:

"The accuracy of the quote has been questioned, however, as Sherman did not tape the exchange and no other journalist reported on it."
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You are starting to annoy me, HD. Sort of like a two year old that continues to pester, just to get attention.

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 Quoting: Aquarius 7

I asked you a question.

I'm trying to figure out whether the US is a modern civilised country.
And not a covert theocracy where people can be stripped of their rights because they are ideological subversives.

I think that is a rather important question.
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You are starting to annoy me, HD. Sort of like a two year old that continues to pester, just to get attention.

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I asked you a question.

I'm trying to figure out whether the US is a modern civilised country.
And not a covert theocracy where people can be stripped of their rights because they are ideological subversives.

I think that is a rather important question.
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 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

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If you do a bit of research and read all the documents of our Founding Fathers, you will have your questions answered.

As to "whether the US is a modern civilized country", I would say this:

Many in the US are modern civilized individuals, and many in the US are criminals, and many lie somewhere between those two catagories.

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