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BREAKING - Time Traveler Caught On Charlie Chaplin 1928 Film "The Circus"

 
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It´s one of these guys.... [link to www.youtube.com]
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don't need station. A walkie talkie can work just like that.
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The only thing I can think of is that it maybe a criminal who is hiding his identity, and holding something over his face when he sees the camera and says something to himself like ''for fuck sakes'' lol... Either that or this is genuine!
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ive checked the other thread and it is NOT repeat NOT thoroughly debunked..

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If it were completely debunked before, this thread wouldn't be here. Obviously, a lot of people were not satisfied with that thread and the ludicrous "debunking" going on there.


Somewhere else, it was suggested this might have been some sort of surveillance by the U.S. government. However, this predates the trouble by a very long time.
Anyway, here is just some quick information on the problems he had with the U.S. government.
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McCarthy era
Although Chaplin had his major successes in the United States and was a resident from 1914 to 1953, he always maintained a neutral nationalistic stance. During the era of McCarthyism, Chaplin was accused of "un-American activities" as a suspected communist and J. Edgar Hoover, who had instructed the FBI to keep extensive secret files on him, tried to end his United States residency. FBI pressure on Chaplin grew after his 1942 campaign for a second European front in the war and reached a critical level in the late 1940s, when Congressional figures threatened to call him as a witness in hearings. This was never done, probably from fear of Chaplin's ability to lampoon the investigators.

In 1952, Chaplin left the US for what was intended as a brief trip home to the United Kingdom for the London premiere of Limelight. Hoover learned of the trip and negotiated with the Immigration and Naturalization Service to revoke Chaplin's re-entry permit, exiling Chaplin so he could not return for his alleged political leanings. Chaplin decided not to re-enter the United States, writing: "Since the end of the last world war, I have been the object of lies and propaganda by powerful reactionary groups who, by their influence and by the aid of America's yellow press, have created an unhealthy atmosphere in which liberal-minded individuals can be singled out and persecuted. Under these conditions I find it virtually impossible to continue my motion-picture work, and I have therefore given up my residence in the United States."


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The guy who wrote the article should take this to a historian or something.

That's really strange!
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ive checked the other thread and it is NOT repeat NOT thoroughly debunked..

NICE TRY BUT YOU FAIL!
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bump
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b]

2. You cannot say she is talking. There is no sound. Her mouth appears to be moving. She may be talking but there are many reasons why someone's mouth moves.

3. Is there something in her hand? I dont know. The images are not clear enough. Even if there is something in her hand you surely cannot say it is a device.

4. Her hand is not positioned they way a normal person grasps a cell phone while it is in use.

5. Whether it is a man or a woman is irrelevant. Irrelevant data used to cloud the issue.

6. The surprised look on her face. So what? You would be surprised too if you realized someone was filming you.
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1.1. The guy plays an old magic trick. He tells you what you are going to see before you see it. Power of suggestion. If he was really interested in knowing what you think, he would not tell you what you will see/think.

The same "magic" trick used in the preface of every instructional manuel ever printed in the history of the world? The same "magic" used at the beginning of every rudimentary educational class--pick a topic--in the history of the world?

Oh, yeah--that "magic".

2.2 You cannot say she is talking. There is no sound. Her mouth appears to be moving. She may be talking but there are many reasons why someone's mouth moves.

One may easily surmise that she's talking, without stretching either logic or credibility. The movement of the mouth-muscles seem rather limited to talking--in it's various manifestations of conversation, screaming, whispering, singing--or to eating, vomiting, or the production of various communicative-grimaces, smiling being but one.

She's not vomiting. Nor is she eating.

She's definitely making communicative grimaces. Is she communicating with a mental illness--itself as hypothetical as the alleged cellphone--or with another entity via something being held to her head in the general area of her ear?

She is, however, making communicative-grimaces, not the least of which is the surprise she clearly exhibits when she realizes that she's in the camera's field as she's making facial grimaces while clutching something in her hand at the side of her head (a pose which is commonplace nowadays, and generally--in theory and in practice--linked to the useage of a CELLPHONE as one walks down the street.

3.3 Is there something in her hand? I dont know. The images are not clear enough. Even if there is something in her hand you surely cannot say it is a device.

Equally, and just as surely, you cannot say that it isn't a device.

Whatever it is, it's smaller than a bread-box.

4. Her hand is not positioned they way a normal person grasps a cell phone while it is in use.

Indeed? It looks remarkably standard to me. And I suspect that the majority of cellphone users have, at one time or another, held their cellphones EXACTLY as that person appears to be doing...not at all a non-standard or gymnastic poise of the hand to the head. Quite the contrary.

5. Whether it is a man or a woman is irrelevant. Irrelevant data used to cloud the issue.

I agree it's irrelevant data.

But I disagree that it's in any way STRONG enough to have been purposively introduced to cloud the data surrounding the issue. It's a puerile observation, probably attesting more to an aspect of the psychology of the presenter than to any purposeful introduction to "cloud the issue".

Also, the REPEATED closeups and reruns of the person focused almost entirely upon the head/hands/face without comment regarding specific morphology. There was no attempt to cloud the issue thru distraction due to the mention of possible gender-confusion. It was a subsidiary observation made by the presenter, perhaps more indicative of an aspect of his psychology than pertinent to the fact.

6. The surprised look on her face. So what? You would be surprised too if you realized someone was filming you.

The surprised look and the moment of it's exhibition is significant for several reasons.

It strongly indicates that the person was not an EXTRA OR STAGEHAND associated with the filming of the piece. (They might well know or expect that filming would be underway if they were associated with the production, no?)

The surprise look indicates both dawning realization of the filming, as the person momentarily rises from the distraction of whatever is going on with their hand. The facial grimaces before this moment of realization indicate a strong probability of communication, either with oneself, or with someone absent but communicating through whatever may be clutched in the hand.
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1.1. The guy plays an old magic trick. He tells you what you are going to see before you see it. Power of suggestion. If he was really interested in knowing what you think, he would not tell you what you will see/think.

The same "magic" trick used in the preface of every instructional manuel ever printed in the history of the world? The same "magic" used at the beginning of every rudimentary educational class--pick a topic--in the history of the world?

Oh, yeah--that "magic".

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 728979

I believe the technical term for this "magic" is "Introducing the Topic of Discussion/Study".

Very esoteric.
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It´s one of these guys.... [link to www.youtube.com]
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b]

2. You cannot say she is talking. There is no sound. Her mouth appears to be moving. She may be talking but there are many reasons why someone's mouth moves.

3. Is there something in her hand? I dont know. The images are not clear enough. Even if there is something in her hand you surely cannot say it is a device.

4. Her hand is not positioned they way a normal person grasps a cell phone while it is in use.5. Whether it is a man or a woman is irrelevant. Irrelevant data used to cloud the issue.

6. The surprised look on her face. So what? You would be surprised too if you realized someone was filming you.

1.1. The guy plays an old magic trick. He tells you what you are going to see before you see it. Power of suggestion. If he was really interested in knowing what you think, he would not tell you what you will see/think.

The same "magic" trick used in the preface of every instructional manuel ever printed in the history of the world? The same "magic" used at the beginning of every rudimentary educational class--pick a topic--in the history of the world?

Oh, yeah--that "magic".

2.2 You cannot say she is talking. There is no sound. Her mouth appears to be moving. She may be talking but there are many reasons why someone's mouth moves.

One may easily surmise that she's talking, without stretching either logic or credibility. The movement of the mouth-muscles seem rather limited to talking--in it's various manifestations of conversation, screaming, whispering, singing--or to eating, vomiting, or the production of various communicative-grimaces, smiling being but one.

She's not vomiting. Nor is she eating.

She's definitely making communicative grimaces. Is she communicating with a mental illness--itself as hypothetical as the alleged cellphone--or with another entity via something being held to her head in the general area of her ear?

She is, however, making communicative-grimaces, not the least of which is the surprise she clearly exhibits when she realizes that she's in the camera's field as she's making facial grimaces while clutching something in her hand at the side of her head (a pose which is commonplace nowadays, and generally--in theory and in practice--linked to the useage of a CELLPHONE as one walks down the street.

3.3 Is there something in her hand? I dont know. The images are not clear enough. Even if there is something in her hand you surely cannot say it is a device.

Equally, and just as surely, you cannot say that it isn't a device.

Whatever it is, it's smaller than a bread-box.

4. Her hand is not positioned they way a normal person grasps a cell phone while it is in use.

Indeed? It looks remarkably standard to me. And I suspect that the majority of cellphone users have, at one time or another, held their cellphones EXACTLY as that person appears to be doing...not at all a non-standard or gymnastic poise of the hand to the head. Quite the contrary.

5. Whether it is a man or a woman is irrelevant. Irrelevant data used to cloud the issue.

I agree it's irrelevant data.

But I disagree that it's in any way STRONG enough to have been purposively introduced to cloud the data surrounding the issue. It's a puerile observation, probably attesting more to an aspect of the psychology of the presenter than to any purposeful introduction to "cloud the issue".

Also, the REPEATED closeups and reruns of the person focused almost entirely upon the head/hands/face without comment regarding specific morphology. There was no attempt to cloud the issue thru distraction due to the mention of possible gender-confusion. It was a subsidiary observation made by the presenter, perhaps more indicative of an aspect of his psychology than pertinent to the fact.

6. The surprised look on her face. So what? You would be surprised too if you realized someone was filming you.

The surprised look and the moment of it's exhibition is significant for several reasons.

It strongly indicates that the person was not an EXTRA OR STAGEHAND associated with the filming of the piece. (They might well know or expect that filming would be underway if they were associated with the production, no?)

The surprise look indicates both dawning realization of the filming, as the person momentarily rises from the distraction of whatever is going on with their hand. The facial grimaces before this moment of realization indicate a strong probability of communication, either with oneself, or with someone absent but communicating through whatever may be clutched in the hand.
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it is clutched in the hand as almost a hiding grip. trying to talk and hide the device at the same time.
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i worked on films for several years... some of you are giving this background actor waaaay too much credit.... b/g are give less action possible unless relative to the paticular scene... i see nothing particular about her/him except the actions....
directors back then were very anal with filming.... many rehearsals were warranted so as not to waste the film..
could be a t/t...could have been filmed that way on purpose.....the dissolve in that particular spot when "it" turns to face camera is interesting...
..could have been the director himself, showing off his "must be kept secret" talky phone...egoistic cameo?....idk
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I don't even think it's a cell phone. I think it's an extraterrestrial with some kind of communication device from his people, whichever family he belongs to. They have always been here some of them, giving us our technology and such, but not all are for our benefit. classic catch that cannot be refuted. amazing footage.

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i think the device could be some sort of teleportation or time machine, think about it,, a hand held time machine, voice operated. .....
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i think the device could be some sort of teleportation or time machine, think about it,, a hand held time machine, voice operated. .....
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Didn't they have those pocket radios back than?
She/He could be listening to their favorite song and singing to it.
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Weird maybe it's a hoax.. Someone added that person. With today's technology you can do anything. Look at Forest Gump...

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didnt the first cell phones debute on the original startrek series they even fliped open like my razor does??? so i guess capt kirk was a real person oh i amaze myself sometimes.
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didnt the first cell phones debute on the original startrek series they even fliped open like my razor does??? so i guess capt kirk was a real person oh i amaze myself sometimes.
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Yep, it's Kirk in disguise, and he's recording his log.

"Captains Log: Our plan to prevent the Klingons from assassinating Charlie Chaplin is going well. They'll never spot me dressed as this old lady. Also, Spock is hiding inside the giant zebra, and Bones is dressed as a 1920's prostitute just around the corner. End of log."
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I dont even think they had walkie talkies back then, this is really weird, no one knows nothing for sure, I guess history does repeat itsself, modern man has to get the idea from somewhere, our mind just picks up ideas floating around in space,
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It´s one of these guys.... [link to www.youtube.com]



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it`s obvious that she`s loony banana2
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it`s obvious that she`s loony banana2
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How so?

She's doing nothing more outrageous than the male pedestrian preceding her.

She's walking along at a regular pace, despite cane and obesity, which indicates a fairly robust constitution and will despite her obvious age/obesity.

She's well kempt, dressed fashionably for the time period.

Talking into a cellphone while time travelling is hardly cause for a certification of lunacy.

Nor is suggesting that this is what she's doing, having been inadvertently caught on film over 80 years ago.

I'd suggest that in our movies, newsclips, and television of today there may be similiarly anomalous incidents being recorded of which we are currently unawares.

Would the people of 1928 have recognized the reality of someone walking down a street talking into a cellphone?

No. Anyone seen doing that would have automatically been misconstrued as someone walking down the street talking into their hand or handkerchief, due to a lack of familiarity with use-procedures of cellphones by the percipient.

So, perhaps in the future there's a form of device, perhaps a temporal scatter/gain device that customarily is worn as a button on one's shirt.

How many times may we have missed noticing a person in a movie/tv/newsclip fiddling with a shirt button in exactly the manner which 75 years from now will be recognized as utilizing this "as-yet" uninvented device?

A puerile example, but sufficient to get across the idea and the possiblities behind the idea. Time travellers using small devices might well not be noticed by the people they moved through, or if notice their actions might be misconstrued and thereby dismissed.
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"My only theory - as well as many others - is simple... a time traveler on a mobile phone."


Simple?
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"My only theory - as well as many others - is simple... a time traveler on a mobile phone."


Simple?
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"Simple" doesn't necessarily equate to "fallacious".
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She's not a woman. She's a middle-aged TV. Just look at the large, masculine hands and feet. Just look at that masculine face and large nose. Just look at that large, masculine stride. The TV is trying to hide his face after spotting that the theater was being filmed. He disguises this by shaping his fingers as though he was stroking his hair. The movement of his mouth is his swearing at finding himself in a situation where he might be exposed. No closet TV likes suddenly finding himself in the public eye.
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"My only theory - as well as many others - is simple... a time traveler on a mobile phone."


Simple?

"Simple" doesn't necessarily equate to "fallacious".
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But look at the shadows. The angle of the sun means that she may have just been shielding her eyes. Couple this with the fact that when she turns slightly towards the camera she bends in one of her fingers through what would have been the body of the phone and I call cultural pareidolia.

Plus if this lady comes from a time when time travel is so frequent that out of shape old ladies can scoot back to the 20's then how come she's carrying a phone that big?
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shes talking on her early model farnsworth
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LOL!!!!
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Plus if this lady comes from a time when time travel is so frequent that out of shape old ladies can scoot back to the 20's then how come she's carrying a phone that big?
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This question presumes that there isn't some as yet to be determined peculiarity specific to time travelling that indeed REQUIRES out of shape old ladies to be done safely.

Perhaps some peculiar interaction between physiology and the effects of time travelling require out of shape old ladies for success. I'm not seriously proposing this, but it is reasonable to consider it possible.

Just as reasonable to presume that, as to presume that it would require athletes, ala astronauts.

Sometimes physical effects require exactly the opposite of what logic would indicate.

The history surrounding early aircraft crashes as planes broke the sound barrier (terra incognito in the experience of man at that time)shows exactly this..."illogic" in design and response eventually lead to success, whereas "logical" response to the forces engendered while breaking the sound barrier lead inevitably to crashes.
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how could he be on a mobile phone in 1928 when there is no infastructure no cell towers no satellites absoultuely no service provider and absoulutely no computer infastrucutre to support its operation.
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Maybe its not a Cell phone as we know them? We all use our ears to hear, so perhaps its another type of communications device that is the same size as a phone.
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how could he be on a mobile phone in 1928 when there is no infastructure no cell towers no satellites absoultuely no service provider and absoulutely no computer infastrucutre to support its operation.



Maybe its not a Cell phone as we know them? We all use our ears to hear, so perhaps its another type of communications device that is the same size as a phone.
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Sorry, but it's a first generation hearing aid.


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Motorola started in 1928...

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A Legacy of Innovation: Timeline of Motorola History, 1928-2009

Since 1928, Motorola has been committed to innovation in communications and electronics. Our company has achieved many milestones in its 80-plus year history. We pioneered mobile communications in the 1930s with car radios and public safety networks. We made the equipment that carried the first words from the moon in 1969. We led the communications revolution with the first commercial handheld cellular phone in 1983 and the first all-digital high-definition television (HDTV) technical standard in 1990. Today, as a global industry leader, excellence in innovation continues to shape the future of the Motorola brand. See Motorola history highlights below, or download the complete text: A Timeline Overview of Motorola History, 1928-2009 (20 page PDF; 1.06 MB)"

This is more insane then going "OMG that kinda' looks like she/he may/may not be holding something while she/he may or may bot be talking!!!!! TIME TRAVLERS!!!!!!!!!!!