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I will be doing a Rapid Fire segment about this subject 10/23/13, at 6:00 PM Texas Time (central). 7:00 PM Eastern
4:00 PM California time

Also Thread: ERASMUS ON THE TRINITY
The Trinity [link to plato.stanford.edu]
To be accepted as a Christian in most Churches you have to believe in the trinity. which took several 100 years to develop. God in three persons (Hypostasis) equal in power, which was not taught by Yahoshua or Jesus.
The biblcal teaching is
The Holy spirit only speaks what is told from the father,not equal, He says my father is greater than I, not equal, and in the end of his age he will turn all authority back to the father,1 Corinthians 15:24 says: "Next, the end, when he(Jesus) hands over the kingdom to HIS GOD AND FATHER not equal in power, and God will be in all though all.
The First Christian Church says they don't except is teaching or dogma, about the trinity, only the teachings of Jesus or the Apostles. The United Pentecostal Church will not baptize in the trinity name, because the Apostles never recorded doing it. The problem lies in Matt 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, the disciples was the name given by Yahoshua or Jesus, they are also called Nazoraion and The Way.
and then the book of Acts never records them doing this, rather they baptize in the Name of Yahoshua Iesous or Jesus.
Why? Because to be baptized in the Name which translates Salvation, is to be baptized into a family with an all powerful Spirit that is over all, to have the assurance that your daddy can fix everything and in the end all will be saved.

"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:3-4).
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance" (2 Pet. 3:9).
The nouns in the New Testament two in their nominative case (this is the case one finds all nouns in dictionaries and concordances such as Strongs and Thayers) have the value of 666. The two nouns are euporia (G2142 meaning wealth) and paradosis (G3862 meaning tradition).[4] These two nouns have a relation to the right hand (wealth) i.e. what we do; and the forehead (tradition) relating to what we believe. This is pretty significant, don’t you think? Only two Greek nouns of all the nouns used in the New Testament have the value of 666, and, taken together, they correspond to the Mark of the Beast!

To be a leader in most churches today you must sign an agreement that you support the trinity doctrine.
Their are two problems, I see here. One Yahoshua or Jesus was The Nazoraion, in John 8:5,7 and in Acts he lets us know this. The Christian name did not exist until 34 years later, in Antioch. The Nazoraion belief taught by Yahoshua was all would be saved in the end. The reason the Apostles baptized into the Name of Yahoshua Iesous who most call Jesus, is because you are being baptized into a family, with all the power to fix everything.
That was the Good News, when people believed the Good News they could be saved, now in this age and the ages to come because they now have a Father in heaven that sent them the Holy Spirit through their son who will save the world, and the Holy Spirit will guide us to all truth and the truth will set us free.
If you sin against the Holy Spirit, you can not be in the next two ages or worlds. The lake of fire, burns works up but the person will be saved. In the end Jesus or Yahoshua will turn over the world without any more death to his father, and God will be in all through all.
This is a Huge conspiracy, one that has deceived people back to the beginning of humanity. Here I am going to talk about the teachings of Yahoshua the Nazoraion (John 18:5, 18:7)who never mentions the trinity.
The word tradition in Greek adds up to 666.

"... Archaeological expeditions in ancient Mesopotamia have uncovered the fascinating culture of the Sumerians, which flourished over 4,000 years ago. Though Sumeria was overthrown first by Assyria, and then by Babylon, its gods lived on in the cultures of those who conquered. The historian S. H. Hooke tells in detail of the ancient Sumerian trinity:
Anu was the primary god of heaven, the ‘Father’, and the ‘King of the Gods’; Enlil, the ‘wind-god’ was the god of the earth, and a creator god; and Enki was the god of waters and the ‘lord of wisdom’ (15-18). The historian, H. W. F. Saggs, explains that the Babylonian triad consisted of ‘three gods of roughly equal rank... whose inter-relationship is of the essence of their natures’ "(316). [link to www.heraldmag.org]

Yahoshua never said a word about the trinity, he calls Satan the God of this world
he talked about his Father in Heaven, he talked about the Holy Spirit, he talked about God being spirit..That makes 4 Gods.
He tells us his father is greater than he, he will give all authority back to his father, he says we will do greater works than he did, and now we are to change our mind and if we believe we can become children of God his father. Which means that the God of this world has no power over us any more. The word to repent simply means to change your mind about us being a bunch of losers and realize we are children of the Highest in the Heavens. which means we win.

He says in Jhn 10:30
I and my Father are one. He prayes to his Father, which could mean that he is the father of us and his father in our Grand father
Jhn 17:22
And the glory which thou gave me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: [link to www.blueletterbible.org]
The scripture 1Jo 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. is not in early manuscripts, it was added later.

The first time the trinity was mentioned was around 200-210 AD [link to thriceholy.net]
It was not in the early teachings of Yahoshua or his disciples, the Nazoraion, it took over 500 years to become a doctrine. That should give you a hint it was not an early teaching. More about this later

The Nazoraion believers were before the Christian church, (Acts 11:26 ....they were called The Way, The Disciples, The Nazoraion.
Believers had great liberity in their belief system, they could choose from a variety of tenets about Yahoshua (Jesus), and they did.
Paul says in 1Cr 8:6
yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Second the reason for this was they also believed in the end all would be saved, some before others, but in the end all would mature and understand.
A religious choice in the first three centuries of the Common Era (CE) was universal salvation. This was the belief that no person would be condemned by God to eternal damnation in a fiery pit.
Thus The Nazoraion's believed that all people will be saved.

Christianity lost its element of choice in 325 CE when the Nicene Creed established the Trinity as dogma. Nicene Creed reads: “The Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church anathematizes those who say that there was a time when the Son of God was not; and that before he was begotten he was not, and that he was made out of nothing, or out of another substance or essence, and is created, or changeable, or alterable.”
For centuries thereafter, people who professed Nazoraion's beliefs were persecuted and killed. Many of their teachings changed.
On Universalism
[link to www.tentmaker.org]

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During the first three centuries of The Way, that is the Nazoraion, (John 18:5 They say to him: Jesus (Iesoun) the Nazoraion. Jesus said to them: I am he.) and the Christian church, (Acts 11:26 ....
believers could choose from a variety of tenets about Yahoshua (Jesus).

A religious choice in the first three centuries of the Common Era (CE) was universal salvation. This was the belief that no person would be condemned by God to eternal damnation in a fiery pit.
Thus The Nazoraion's believed that all people will be saved.

Christianity lost its element of choice in 325 CE when the Nicene Creed established the Trinity as dogma. For centuries thereafter, people who professed Nazoraion's beliefs were persecuted and killed. Their writings destroyed.
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Actually Jesus taught the Trinity when he ordered his disciles to be baptized in the Jordan River IN THE NAME OF THE HOLY GHOST.
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This is one of the controversies that has always bugged me.

I feel like it the debates they were having then were foolish.

Trying to label the substance of God and Yahshua as well as Constantine flip-flopping back and forth between Arius and Athanasius just left us with much divisiveness today.
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Actually Jesus taught the Trinity when he ordered his disciles to be baptized in the Jordan River IN THE NAME OF THE HOLY GHOST.
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Actually Jesus taught the Trinity when he ordered his disciles to be baptized in the Jordan River IN THE NAME OF THE HOLY GHOST.

No Apostles baptized in the name of the trinity which is what Yahoshua would have said, I baptize in the name of the Father Son Holy Spirit in Yahoshua the Nazoraion the Messiah Both are in the teaching of the Writings of the New covenant.
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Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

An interesting side note is that the Shem Tob Hebrew Matthew has only "Go" in verse 19 and skips directly to verse 20 -

Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

And, it is also missing from both Old Syriac Aramaic texts.
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I would be a little suspicious of a religion that took 300 years to get its story straight.

Wouldn't you?
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I would be a little suspicious of a religion that took 300 years to get its story straight.

Wouldn't you?
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Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.


Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

One = Ecad which means one or united.
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It also means 'alone' and 'only'.

There is absolutely nothing in Hebrew thought or the Tanakh that even hints at a triune godhead.
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I would be a little suspicious of a religion that took 300 years to get its story straight.

Wouldn't you?



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Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.


Interesting as I've read a number of other versions that includes "and all thy strength". I feel it's very important because looking at the story of Jacob he was wounded in the hip with his wrestling with God. Qabbalisticly the hips are the emotions and the intellect. He had exhausted them and yet went on through shear will to not let go and be blessed.

This is how we earn the name Israel.
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Funny - I was just contemplating that yesterday!

In the Hebrew, in Deut. it is 'might' yet in the Greek in Matthew it is 'mind'. Yet, in the Hebrew and Aramaic versions of Matthew, it also says 'might'.

It appears the Greek translators were either purposely corrupt or ignorant.
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There is absolutely nothing in Hebrew thought or the Tanakh that even hints at a triune godhead.
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Actually some point to a Pentad...


"This is the pentad of the aeons of the Father, which is the first man, the image of the invisible Spirit; it is the forethought, which Barbelo, and the thought, and the foreknowledge, and the indestructibility, and the eternal life, and the truth. This is the androgynous pentad of the aeons, which is the decad of the aeons, which is the Father.


But before Her is...


And I asked to know it, and he said to me, "The Monad is a monarchy with nothing above it. It is he who exists as God and Father of everything, the invisible One who is above everything, who exists as incorruption, which is in the pure light into which no eye can look.

"He is the invisible Spirit, of whom it is not right to think of him as a god, or something similar. For he is more than a god, since there is nothing above him, for no one lords it over him. For he does not exist in something inferior to him, since everything exists in him. For it is he who establishes himself. He is eternal, since he does not need anything. For he is total perfection. He did not lack anything, that he might be completed by it; rather he is always completely perfect in light. He is illimitable, since there is no one prior to him to set limits to him. He is unsearchable, since there exists no one prior to him to examine him. He is immeasurable, since there was no one prior to him to measure him. He is invisible, since no one saw him. He is eternal, since he exists eternally. He is ineffable, since no one was able to comprehend him to speak about him. He is unnameable, since there is no one prior to him to give him a name.
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.


Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

One = Ecad which means one or united.



It also means 'alone' and 'only'.

There is absolutely nothing in Hebrew thought or the Tanakh that even hints at a triune godhead.
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I realize that Im not arguing with you. I believe the reason it is Ecad united or one is that the only thing that the YHWH does is save (Yashua feminine form in Hebrew)) Yahoshua is Yah Saves, he said that I came to save not condemn.
the powers that try to tell us to do it a different way are not ecad or in agreement with the highest power.
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I realize that Im not arguing with you. I believe the reason it is Ecad united or one is that the only thing that the YHWH does is save (Yashua feminine form in Hebrew)) Yahoshua is Yah Saves, he said that I came to save not condemn.
the powers that try to tell us to do it a different way are not ecad or in agreement with the highest power.
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During the first three centuries of The Way, that is the Nazoraion, (John 18:5 They say to him: Jesus (Iesoun) the Nazoraion. Jesus said to them: I am he.) and the Christian church, (Acts 11:26 ....
believers could choose from a variety of tenets about Yahoshua (Jesus).

A religious choice in the first three centuries of the Common Era (CE) was universal salvation. This was the belief that no person would be condemned by God to eternal damnation in a fiery pit.
Thus The Nazoraion's believed that all people will be saved.

Christianity lost its element of choice in 325 CE when the Nicene Creed established the Trinity as dogma. For centuries thereafter, people who professed Nazoraion's beliefs were persecuted and killed. Their writings destroyed.
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The trinity is bilical. They baptized in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost.

They never believed all would be saved. Only those who repent and are baptized.

You stand on sand.
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Here's the bottom line: If there was God (or if THE god was this one mentioned in the bible), you would not need to quibble about anything. The "Word of God" would be clear, concise, consistent, unambiguous, and never contradictory. You would get a perfect recorded message from a perfect God (he would make sure of that!)

But, that's not what you have is it? The very fact that you people are on here trying to figure this stuff out is proof that it was all written by men (very primitive, often confused, agenda-oriented, uneducated men.)

Give it up, will you? You are wasting your lives.

Some of us give it all up...some of us chew it all up only to spit out the crap, some still swallow without any consideration...

The Gospel of Thomas:

Jesus said, "Learn the meaning of the creation which surrounds you, and you will perceive the mysteries hidden from your sight, for Eternal Truth is recorded on all that exists. I tell you the truth when I say that there is nothing hidden which will not be revealed to the person who can read the creation of the Eloheim."


That is my Word of God. It surrounds me and interpenetrates me (and everything else). The Kingdom is within you and all around you.

I've found great truths in the bible but i do not mistake it for the Living Emanations from the Godhead that sustain all creation.
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Thanks Rev Star Gazer!

Here's something I found I know you'll appreciate, one of the most complete interpretations of the Gospel of Thomas...


Jesus said, "Everyone who seeks should continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will be troubled at the contemplation of Truth, but when he has passed through the time of trouble, he will be astonished at the brightness of the Light, for the Way of Truth is the Pathway to the Eternal Godhead, and the price of the beatific vision is the wringing of the soul. The person who desires to rise above all things must descend below all things, for the way to the heights passes through the depths of anguish, which generate the fires of Life. The person who has suffered and found Life is blessed."

[link to www.truthcontest.com]


Highly recommended, the parts describing God as The Parent, I've experienced that form directly...
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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Thanks Rev Star Gazer!

Here's something I found I know you'll appreciate, one of the most complete interpretations of the Gospel of Thomas...


Jesus said, "Everyone who seeks should continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will be troubled at the contemplation of Truth, but when he has passed through the time of trouble, he will be astonished at the brightness of the Light, for the Way of Truth is the Pathway to the Eternal Godhead, and the price of the beatific vision is the wringing of the soul. The person who desires to rise above all things must descend below all things, for the way to the heights passes through the depths of anguish, which generate the fires of Life. The person who has suffered and found Life is blessed."

[link to www.truthcontest.com]


Highly recommended, the parts describing God as The Parent, I've experienced that form directly...
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Wow! That describes my journey exactly!

Mahalo!
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BTW - I was just starting to read The Gospel of Thomas last night. ;)
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Actually Jesus taught the Trinity when he ordered his disciles to be baptized in the Jordan River IN THE NAME OF THE HOLY GHOST.

No Apostles baptized in the name of the trinity which is what Yahoshua would have said, I baptize in the name of the Father Son Holy Spirit in Yahoshua the Nazoraion the Messiah Both are in the teaching of the Writings of the New covenant.
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Jesus commanded the Apostles to baptize in the name of the
Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

A few of the references to the Trinity. People coming along
20 centuries later saying "no" is laughable. Sorry OP,
you are wrong.

blessings,

The Trinity


"Then God said, ‘Let us make man in our image, after our likeness . . .’" (Gen. 1:26).

"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"
(Matt. 28:19).

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1)

"But Peter said, ‘Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? How is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.’" (Acts 5:3-4)

"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all" (2 Cor. 13:14).
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BTW - I was just starting to read The Gospel of Thomas last night. ;)
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The Gospel of Thomas is not in the Canon of Scripture, it's
a waste of your time Rev.
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IF Yahoshua (Jesus)the son and YHWH the Father or both God, why would Yahoshua pray to himself????

Makes no sense.

Plus, the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) is just that, the Spirit of YHWH, not a person.

Is your spirit a separate person from yourself? (If so, you may be schizophrenic!)

Are you and your father the same being?

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The trinity is bilical. They baptized in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost.

They never believed all would be saved. Only those who repent and are baptized.

You stand on sand.
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Thats the funniest thing i have read today!
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BTW - I was just starting to read The Gospel of Thomas last night. ;)


The Gospel of Thomas is not in the Canon of Scripture, it's
a waste of your time Rev.
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I'm not Catholic nor do I follow the doctrine of her Protestant daughters.
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Iesoun
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Awesome, yet ANOTHER fake name for Jesus Christ.
There is so much power in the name Jesus Christ (or Title, if you prefer) that falsifiers have to substitue names in forgotten languages and different alphabets to strip the name of the power.

Nevertheless, OP's OP is probably correct...haven't finished reading it yet...I just get douche chills when people do this.

Just beware whenever you see this.
I'm not too fond of Signatures. Why would I want to end every post the same way?
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During the first three centuries of The Way, that is the Nazoraion, (John 18:5 They say to him: Jesus (Iesoun) the Nazoraion. Jesus said to them: I am he.) and the Christian church, (Acts 11:26 ....
believers could choose from a variety of tenets about Yahoshua (Jesus).

A religious choice in the first three centuries of the Common Era (CE) was universal salvation. This was the belief that no person would be condemned by God to eternal damnation in a fiery pit.
Thus The Nazoraion's believed that all people will be saved.

Christianity lost its element of choice in 325 CE when the Nicene Creed established the Trinity as dogma. For centuries thereafter, people who professed Nazoraion's beliefs were persecuted and killed. Their writings destroyed.
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This is the point, if you are going to teach something you believe in you should start with the source.
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Re: trinity not taught by Yahoshua or Jesus , Universalism was
The trinity is bilical. They baptized in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost.

They never believed all would be saved. Only those who repent and are baptized.

You stand on sand.

Thats the funniest thing i have read today!
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The trinity is not bilical because it was not taught in the bible, and yes the early teaching did teach salvation for all, the nazoraions were killed for believing this.
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The Gospel of Thomas is a Gnostic heresy...read some of the
reasons it was not accepted into the Canon.

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..."There are, actually, several documents people call “Gospel of Thomas.” Some of them contain stories about the childhood of Jesus (“Infancy Gospels” including two different Greek forms and a much longer Latin form), while others contain only sayings attributed to Jesus during His earthly ministry (the “Gnostic Gospel”). The “Infancy Gospels” are not related to the “Gnostic Gospel.” None of them are canonical.

Why are these so-called “Gospels” not accepted? They were not written by an apostle (e.g., Matthew) or an apostolic man (e.g., Luke), in spite of the authors’ claims to be “Thomas,” and they have never been accepted as Scripture by the Church. The earliest mention of an “Infancy Gospel of Thomas” is between the fourth and sixth centuries. The “Gnostic Gospel” is an earlier text, perhaps dating to the mid second century, but it has only been accepted and preserved by heretics (i.e., in the Nag Hammadi Library, a collection of Gnostic texts). All of these so-called “Thomas Gospels” contain problems and heresies that cannot be reconciled with Church teaching.

For example, the “Infancy Gospels” portray a young “Jesus” who is revengeful or vindictive.
It is true that this “Jesus” often heals and raises people from the dead, but they are almost always people he has maimed or killed as a petty revenge for minor offenses. Ordinary people are terrified of him, saying “those that make him angry die.” Neither humility nor patience can be found in this “Jesus,” and very little mercy and generosity. While it is true that the real Jesus was not always gentle (e.g., Jn. 2:13-17), neither was He merely vindictive or arbitrary.

The “Gnostic Gospel” informs the reader that it contains the “secret words” of Jesus written down by “twin Judas Thomas,” which, when their interpretation is known, grant immortality. This is a common Gnostic theme. The Apostles and their successors have always taught that the Gospel is a matter of public revelation, to be made known to the whole world. By contrast, almost all Gnostic heretics have preached a “salvation by secret knowledge” available to very few people. Like many Gnostic writings, the “Gnostic Gospel of Thomas” is almost unintelligible with unexplained symbolism. Though some sayings appear similar to actual Gospel sayings, many sayings are nothing like Gospel sayings: “Where there are three gods, they are gods; where there are two or one, I am with him.”(1) In the few places where this so-called “Gospel” is intelligible, salvation is often attributed to self-knowledge, as in Gnostic teaching, rather than the redeeming incarnation and life of God’s Son, as in orthodox Christianity. This “Gospel” represents neither the teaching of Jesus Christ nor the teaching of His Church, and has never been considered an authentic Gospel"...
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Re: trinity not taught by Yahoshua or Jesus , Universalism was
IF Yahoshua (Jesus)the son and YHWH the Father or both God, why would Yahoshua pray to himself????

Makes no sense.

Plus, the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) is just that, the Spirit of YHWH, not a person.

Is your spirit a separate person from yourself? (If so, you may be schizophrenic!)

Are you and your father the same being?
 Quoting: Rev. Stargazer


Rev.,

You changed your avatar name, it's cute.

The Trinity is a mystery and why man can only accept it on faith. Think of it this way too, God is one but we can go to all three persons of the Blessed Trinity. Love and help times three.

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The dogma of the Holy Trinity

253 The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the "consubstantial Trinity".83 The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God."84 In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), "Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature."85

254 The divine persons are really distinct from one another. "God is one but not solitary."86 "Father", "Son", "Holy Spirit" are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: "He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son."87 They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds."88 The divine Unity is Triune.

two parargraphs from the Catechism of the Catholic Church
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Re: trinity not taught by Yahoshua or Jesus , Universalism was
BTW - I was just starting to read The Gospel of Thomas last night. ;)


The Gospel of Thomas is not in the Canon of Scripture, it's
a waste of your time Rev.



I'm
not Catholic nor do I follow the doctrine of her Protestant daughters.
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I, I, I, do you hear yourself? How is you can decide for
yourself God's revelation, what if you're wrong? You've
taken what you wish to believe and dismissed the rest.

You will never have the Truth that way.
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Re: trinity not taught by Yahoshua or Jesus , Universalism was
IF Yahoshua (Jesus)the son and YHWH the Father or both God, why would Yahoshua pray to himself????

Makes no sense.

Plus, the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) is just that, the Spirit of YHWH, not a person.

Is your spirit a separate person from yourself? (If so, you may be schizophrenic!)

Are you and your father the same being?


Rev.,

You changed your avatar name, it's cute.

The Trinity is a mystery and why man can only accept it on faith. Think of it this way too, God is one but we can go to all three persons of the Blessed Trinity. Love and help times three.

~ ~ ~

The dogma of the Holy Trinity

253 The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the "consubstantial Trinity".83 The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God."84 In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), "Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature."85

254 The divine persons are really distinct from one another. "God is one but not solitary."86 "Father", "Son", "Holy Spirit" are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: "He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son."87 They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds."88 The divine Unity is Triune.

two parargraphs from the Catechism of the Catholic Church
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That's my original username.

Thanks for sharing BUT I firmly reject ANYTHING Catholic or connected in anyway with Catholicism.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Albert Einstein

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