Sun is too far South for this time of year in the Northern Hemisphere

what do you expect from a canuck anyway

Perhaps you are on to something perhaps its only noticeable farther north that is an explanation I can accept.Hugs to you for that one....

Seriously.... a cantaloupe.

Is that better or worse than a watermelon?

About the same, and having a discussion with you is about on a par with having one with either of those. No thanks.

hey we miss you over here

Thread: Lunar Doom is happening right now and you don't even know it.


better hurry people are talking

Thought you might like to see this one

[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]

Debunk that!

I like you all to offer 2 links, connected with the subject

link: [link to www.backwoodshome.com]


link: [link to beforeitsnews.com]


I hope that many viewers start to think whats happening.

Nothing to debunk. What is being said int the article is reasonable and there are no statements of doom. It is called plate tectonics or more loosely known as continetal drift. As the masses of the Earth shift around there are changes in the moment of inertia and we get small wobbles in the motion of the Earth. These wobbles are very small. So what is your problem with the article?

I am over 60. I have been watching the skies all my life. I have a sundial that I built more than 30 years ago, and it is still accurate to this day.

There are ancient monoliths and monuments that were built to mark certain celestial events, including solar cycle events. All continue to work as they always have. If, as some people here affirm, the sun is not where it should be, then please explain how it is that these events continue to occur at these sites as they have for thousands of years. I ask this question every year when these "sun is too far north or south" threads predictably appear and nobody ever addresses my question, let alone provide an explanation. If the serpent phenomenon on the equinoxes in Chichen Itza failed to occur, the thousands of new age 2012er tourists that pay to be there would most definitely be proclaiming it all over the net. They aren't.

He doesn't understand the chart from the University of Arkansas. It is the position of the ecliptic but the dates are for the position of the Sun, not the Moon. The Moon's position changes with respect to the Sun. The chart does indicate the farthest north and south of the Moon but it does not give the dates those occur. Those positions change from year to year.




This link is worthless. It is a bunch of unattributed statements. Nothing can be verified and it doesn't even make any sense. And this:

"And according to the universities, the highest latitude that the moon reaches, is 28.5 degrees, yet for the last couple years at least, it has transgressed that number by a significant margin! One can watch the moon rise low in the south east and set in the southwest, at least from my position at 41 degrees north in the midwest U.S. and then, within two weeks time, it will rise high in the northeast and set in the northwest!"

is exactly what should happen. The orbital period of the Moon is around 4 weeks. That means in 4 weeks it follows the ecliptic in the sky. In two weeks it only moves through half of the sky, half way along the ecliptic. So if rises low in the southeast and sets in the southwest then yes, two weeks later it should rise in the northeast and set in the northwest. That is exactly what should happen. What is not described is the phase of the Moon. If it rises in the southeast as a full Moon two weeks later it will rise in the northeast as a new Moon. If it rises in the southeast as a first quarter Moon, two weeks later it rises in the northeast as a last quarter Moon.

What do you want people to say about these links?

Because people's only exposure to astronomy is from consipracy theory forums/the internet. They have never been taught the basics of observations in school. Schools now are about passing the state tests and not actually learning things. People don't understand that their clock, even though it is based on atomic standards, is still tied to the motion of the Sun. My guess is that most people here couldn't tell you how to find north at night. That is why they can't tell you where the Moon and Sun are suppose to rise and set throughout the year. Then someone on one of these forums says, something is wrong with the Moon "then" they notice the Moon or Sun and without the experience of looking it is weird when it changes. There is a lot of really good information on the internet. Too bad people are unable to recognize the difference between good and nonsense.

Here are some good sites

[link to www.ifa.hawaii.edu]

[link to www.pas.rochester.edu]

[link to www.pfm.howard.edu]

[link to www.uni.edu]

[link to facstaff.gpc.edu]

I don't have an ancient monument in my back yard, but I do know how the sun hits my home (the angles). I could have a very flawed memory that would explain all this, but then again it doesn't explain why my mind "ringed" by detecting the anomaly in the first place, nor it explains why others are perceiving the same and reporting on it.

If someone never watched the pattern and is relying on vague memories, they could be wrong.

Yea, today the sun got out half an hour earlier then usual in germany...

Aww, poor you, just can't stand it that you can't explain why telescopes still work and find the sun and moon perfectly, can you?

No, I can't. But that also doesn't mean I'm going to discount my own personal observations as well as those of other rational people I know and countless of others across the globe asking the same question.

I respect you. I do. You have handled yourself as well as you could in the context of this thread.

Let me just close by saying that great scientific advances were not made by taking all evidence at face value, thinking narrowly or by trusting in the status quo.

Great achievements and knowledge are gained by letting go of traditional constructs and moving forward with intellectual curiosity and an open mind.

Galileo, Einstein, Sagan among many, many others...

Wow. That thread is quite a read. Very illuminating as the the mindset of certain people.

Oh gawd... he ends up quoting Zetatalk on that thread...

Isn't that special! Yes, why don't you "close" before you have to come to the realization that the world's astronomers know more about the motions of sky objects than do random internet posters and various fruits and nuts.

Heh.

Name an amateur astronomer who's asking that question. I'm not going to discount my measurements because some lay people online think they see something odd. It's one thing to think you see something odd, it's quite another to measure the actual coordinates of an object and find it to actually be odd.

So the ancient monoliths are wrong and your uneducated observations are right. Um. Ok.

Thoose of you who claimed the sun was out of place might want to have a look here:
Thread: Come see live video of the moon, stars, and a telescopic sunrise! (Page 2)

Trying to twist facts to fit theories, not theories to fit facts, is indeed what they are doing.

Fact is the sun is appearing exactly where it should.

Here's a theory, all tracking systems for all telescopes around the globe have been altered and uploaded to everyone using automated tracking systems.

But then that doesn't explain why the old-school people using the old-school equipment and not using automatic tracking are not noticing a change in the sun's position for the time of the year.

So then the theory is that all people's memory has been altered by aliens because some have been transplanted from another planet and bits of their old memory are subconciously leaking through. Wait what?!

So then it's just the normal progression of the sun and people are over-reacting because their daily lives are so boring they are going insane and really believe what they are saying and seeing - you realise it's turning into winter for the N.hemi, right?

It also doesn't explain old school telescopes like mine whose memory is permanently encoded on ROM chips and can only be altered by physically replacing the chips. The conspiracy has to become that physical replacement secretly occurred, which is as crazy as aliens altering memories.

Yeah, about the sum of it.

Should have posted this beforehand, but sadly I forgot to. Here's the expected coordinates for the sun yesterday morning for my location according to a 1996 un-updated version of TheSky:
RA, Dec: 14h 18m 30.4s , 13d 50m 22s S
As I mentioned in my sun observing thread, I was pointing within about 30 arcseconds of the exact center of the sun and indeed even this very old version of TheSky agrees with that assessment.

Last Edited by Astromut on 10/31/2010 09:28 AM

Did you consider your eyes are too far apart?

I'm curious, if you were to move your telescope from one position to another, how do you re-calibrate it?

Do you not have enter some reference points, by pointing your telescope at one or two known stars and then using these points as reference points, so can your telescope can automatically find any other planet or star from its on board maps?

How do you calibrate your telescope, should you move it?

Because if you do have to manually give it its initial input of the co-ordinates of a star, then it is obvious that your telescope will still be able to find everything else, even if the earth had moved on its axis. It will still be able to find everything else, even if the earth was upside down.

Everything else would still be in the original position they were, in RELATION TO EACH OTHER. This means that your telescope will still be able to find everything even if the earth has shifted on its axis.

Even if the earth have moved on its axis, everything else will still be exactly where it has always been in relation to everything else.

Your argument is actually not a valid argument at all.