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OMG - Scientists think that "TIME" may not exist!! What is time?
POLL: How do you define time?
 I don't as it is a false construct
 From when something is started to when it is finished
 Duh, by a clock
 I use the New Jerusalem calendar and it has a different sense of time
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The possibility that time may not exist is known among physicists as the “problem of time.” It may be the biggest, but it is far from the only temporal conundrum. Vying for second place is this strange fact: The laws of physics don’t explain why time always points to the future. All the laws—whether Newton’s, Einstein’s, or the quirky quantum rules—would work equally well if time ran backward. As far as we can tell, though, time is a one-way process; it never reverses, even though no laws restrict it....

...“I recently went to the National Institute of Standards and Technology in Boulder,” says Lloyd. (NIST is the government lab that houses the atomic clock that standardizes time for the nation.) “I said something like, ‘Your clocks measure time very accurately.’ They told me, ‘Our clocks do not measure time.’ I thought, Wow, that’s very humble of these guys. But they said, ‘No, time is defined to be what our clocks measure.’ Which is true. They define the time standards for the globe: Time is defined by the number of clicks of their clocks.”

Rovelli, the advocate of a timeless universe, says the NIST timekeepers have it right. Moreover, their point of view is consistent with the Wheeler-DeWitt equation. “We never really see time,” he says. “We see only clocks. If you say this object moves, what you really mean is that this object is here when the hand of your clock is here, and so on. We say we measure time with clocks, but we see only the hands of the clocks, not time itself. And the hands of a clock are a physical variable like any other. So in a sense we cheat because what we really observe are physical variables as a function of other physical variables, but we represent that as if everything is evolving in time.
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Your late LMFAO or your source is LMAO sorry couldnt help it.


Been at least 10 yrs we been gettin MSM documentrys saying time is a touchy subject.
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[link to discovermagazine.com]

The possibility that time may not exist is known among physicists as the “problem of time.” It may be the biggest, but it is far from the only temporal conundrum. Vying for second place is this strange fact: The laws of physics don’t explain why time always points to the future. All the laws—whether Newton’s, Einstein’s, or the quirky quantum rules—would work equally well if time ran backward. As far as we can tell, though, time is a one-way process; it never reverses, even though no laws restrict it....

...“I recently went to the National Institute of Standards and Technology in Boulder,” says Lloyd. (NIST is the government lab that houses the atomic clock that standardizes time for the nation.) “I said something like, ‘Your clocks measure time very accurately.’ They told me, ‘Our clocks do not measure time.’ I thought, Wow, that’s very humble of these guys. But they said, ‘No, time is defined to be what our clocks measure.’ Which is true. They define the time standards for the globe: Time is defined by the number of clicks of their clocks.”

Rovelli, the advocate of a timeless universe, says the NIST timekeepers have it right. Moreover, their point of view is consistent with the Wheeler-DeWitt equation. “We never really see time,” he says. “We see only clocks. If you say this object moves, what you really mean is that this object is here when the hand of your clock is here, and so on. We say we measure time with clocks, but we see only the hands of the clocks, not time itself. And the hands of a clock are a physical variable like any other. So in a sense we cheat because what we really observe are physical variables as a function of other physical variables, but we represent that as if everything is evolving in time.
 Quoting: Smilin' Irish Eyes


The passage of time is fundamental to the universe. Its inherent in the mechanics of atoms. Time is simply change occuring in a sequence that is linear.

What they are saying is that they are not measuring time, but metering its passage into intervals that are useful to us.
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Your late LMFAO or your source is LMAO sorry couldnt help it.


Been at least 10 yrs we been gettin MSM documentrys saying time is a touchy subject.
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Just wanted a different kind of thread; seems like an interesting subject.


Time is dimensional. It is the standard way to view it in almost any light. That is the second dimensional construct of APM and the standard model (if you view 3-D space as one).

In APM we view the reciprocal of time, frequency.

We view two dimensions of frequency/time, linear and distributed. Frequency in APM is defined as the speed of light divided by the Compton Wave length (which is the constant of length in APM.)
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Its simply the rearrangement of molecular matter

If you were to time travel...There is a cow that your body ate in the form of hamburger, Would you return those molecules back into the cow? Would the grass that the cow ate return to the fields ? Would the fields revert back to seeds?

Thats all the passage of time means...

the decomposition and the recomposition of matter.

Thats why I believe time travel isnt necessary, and its moot, cause everything would have to revert back.

I think Hoarders, (people that hoard) is onto something, Everything they touch they want to hang onto,.. they dont want to put themselves out there and throw stuff away reminding them of the passage of time, They want time to stand still basically, Which their hoarding is symbolic of.
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Why do you think "they" have been screwin' around with different calenders over the ions.
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The passage of time is fundamental to the universe. Its inherent in the mechanics of atoms. Time is simply change occuring in a sequence that is linear.

What they are saying is that they are not measuring time, but metering its passage into intervals that are useful to us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 838578


Exactly.

But here is a site that may interest others:

[link to www.jayweidner.com]

According to the mythology of the Yuga system there are four ages of life and time on our planet. It is important to remember that there are many cycles within cycles in the Hindu Yuga system so the years mentioned next may have to do with a larger cycle than the one addressed in this article. Perhaps the huge number of years referred to below is the cycle of the solar system as it circles another star or perhaps it is a portion of the great cycle of one revolution around the galactic center....


...It is well known in modern physics that the four dimensional space, of which time is an aspect, is in the shape of a hypersphere. (see illustration B) This hypersphere appears similar to the shape of a donut, or a bagel. The energy, or the flow of the energy stream, within this hypersphere works like this: As shown in the illustration, the flow comes out of the bottom of the sphere, winds its way up around the outside edge, crosses the outside equator of the torus sphere and moves towards the hole in the top of this torus. The energy flow then begins to fall through the top of the hole and begins to spin in a vortex. This energy flow continues until it comes out of the bottom side of the torus where the energy flow begins its outward expansion again. This flow is continuous and, in a sense, is infinite.
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Why do you think "they" have been screwin' around with different calenders over the ions.
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Because as our knowledge of the mechanics of the day/month/year cycle grew, our ability to fine tune a calendar to match observation grew as well.

Its actually quite simple. I am suprised that you couldnt see this for yourself.
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The passage of time is fundamental to the universe. Its inherent in the mechanics of atoms. Time is simply change occuring in a sequence that is linear.

What they are saying is that they are not measuring time, but metering its passage into intervals that are useful to us.


Exactly.

But here is a site that may interest others:

[link to www.jayweidner.com]

According to the mythology of the Yuga system there are four ages of life and time on our planet. It is important to remember that there are many cycles within cycles in the Hindu Yuga system so the years mentioned next may have to do with a larger cycle than the one addressed in this article. Perhaps the huge number of years referred to below is the cycle of the solar system as it circles another star or perhaps it is a portion of the great cycle of one revolution around the galactic center....


...It is well known in modern physics that the four dimensional space, of which time is an aspect, is in the shape of a hypersphere. (see illustration B) This hypersphere appears similar to the shape of a donut, or a bagel. The energy, or the flow of the energy stream, within this hypersphere works like this: As shown in the illustration, the flow comes out of the bottom of the sphere, winds its way up around the outside edge, crosses the outside equator of the torus sphere and moves towards the hole in the top of this torus. The energy flow then begins to fall through the top of the hole and begins to spin in a vortex. This energy flow continues until it comes out of the bottom side of the torus where the energy flow begins its outward expansion again. This flow is continuous and, in a sense, is infinite.
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You do realize that I am not claiming time does not exist, right? I am simply clarifying the article.
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Why do you think "they" have been screwin' around with different calenders over the ions.
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lol4me

Yes, we have our very own example here at GLP of a new calendar system.


But seriously, how you measure time is considered very important to those "in charge".
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The passage of time is fundamental to the universe. Its inherent in the mechanics of atoms. Time is simply change occuring in a sequence that is linear.

What they are saying is that they are not measuring time, but metering its passage into intervals that are useful to us.





You do realize that I am not claiming time does not exist, right? I am simply clarifying the article.
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Yes, I was aware that you were clarifying the article. I was just adding additional input; that's all.
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Why do you think "they" have been screwin' around with different calenders over the ions.



Because as our knowledge of the mechanics of the day/month/year cycle grew, our ability to fine tune a calendar to match observation grew as well.

Its actually quite simple. I am suprised that you couldnt see this for yourself.
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Hey fucktard the original calendar was 13 months 28 days each. jerkit
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Why do you think "they" have been screwin' around with different calenders over the ions.



Because as our knowledge of the mechanics of the day/month/year cycle grew, our ability to fine tune a calendar to match observation grew as well.

Its actually quite simple. I am suprised that you couldnt see this for yourself.

Hey fucktard the original calendar was 13 months 28 days each. jerkit
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Yeah, and when the days werent arriving at the same point during the year, they found it to be a problem, and revised based on observation.

Fucktard.
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The passage of time is fundamental to the universe. Its inherent in the mechanics of atoms. Time is simply change occuring in a sequence that is linear.

What they are saying is that they are not measuring time, but metering its passage into intervals that are useful to us.





You do realize that I am not claiming time does not exist, right? I am simply clarifying the article.



Yes, I was aware that you were clarifying the article. I was just adding additional input; that's all.
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Cool. It is an incredibly interesting subject, one with which i spend a lot of time.
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Yes, I was aware that you were clarifying the article. I was just adding additional input; that's all.



Cool. It is an incredibly interesting subject, one with which i spend a lot of time.
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goldlaugh

So how would you define that time?

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Imagine, traveling in time. Some process that would let you go backward in time to witness the events that changed history, or into the future to see if mankind survives, and then to return to the present with the knowledge of what will happen tomorrow. The process is intriguing, even mind boggling, but the science is more real than imagined.
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[link to www.andersoninstitute.com]
Imagine, traveling in time. Some process that would let you go backward in time to witness the events that changed history, or into the future to see if mankind survives, and then to return to the present with the knowledge of what will happen tomorrow. The process is intriguing, even mind boggling, but the science is more real than imagined.
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Excellent site! Thanks!
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Yes, I was aware that you were clarifying the article. I was just adding additional input; that's all.



Cool. It is an incredibly interesting subject, one with which i spend a lot of time.



:goldlaugh:

So how would you define that time?
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Ha ha.
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Time is the only son of the quantum forces of gravitation and electromagnetism and strong and weak nuclear forces. The result of the interaction of gravitation and space.

That scientists question the existence of time is not surprising...

In the world, i theorize that there exists a father and son and together they ARE gravitation and time, as it applies to the collective human experience of time and history.

The mother of this family and her two daughters are seen and unseen space and completely define the earth.

The so-called scietists that are now questioning time should probably look for different careers if they want to continue to ask that question.
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Time is entropy. IMO, that's what gives it the illusion of directionality. In other words, entropy creates the illusion of time. Measure that!
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Your late LMFAO or your source is LMAO sorry couldnt help it.


Been at least 10 yrs we been gettin MSM documentrys saying time is a touchy subject.



Just wanted a different kind of thread; seems like an interesting subject.


Time is dimensional. It is the standard way to view it in almost any light. That is the second dimensional construct of APM and the standard model (if you view 3-D space as one).

In APM we view the reciprocal of time, frequency.

We view two dimensions of frequency/time, linear and distributed. Frequency in APM is defined as the speed of light divided by the Compton Wave length (which is the constant of length in APM.)
 Quoting: Smilin' Irish Eyes


Sorry i like to joke, too often.


I love the concept that most of what we know could easly be overturned with new discoveries, and time is one of them , mind bogling
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Time is a social construct. Our society is so advanced that we have terms to describe things that don't even exist.
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Your late LMFAO or your source is LMAO sorry couldnt help it.


Been at least 10 yrs we been gettin MSM documentrys saying time is a touchy subject.



Just wanted a different kind of thread; seems like an interesting subject.


Time is dimensional. It is the standard way to view it in almost any light. That is the second dimensional construct of APM and the standard model (if you view 3-D space as one).

In APM we view the reciprocal of time, frequency.

We view two dimensions of frequency/time, linear and distributed. Frequency in APM is defined as the speed of light divided by the Compton Wave length (which is the constant of length in APM.)


Sorry i like to joke, too often.


I love the concept that most of what we know could easly be overturned with new discoveries, and time is one of them , mind bogling
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The chance of most of these things being dramatically altered are practically zero, however. That is the major thing that people like you tend to leave out.
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Time is the view of the back end of the bus as it pulls away from the running man trying to catch it.

We observe in one direction and look for sequences.
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Time is the view of the back end of the bus as it pulls away from the running man trying to catch it.

We observe in one direction and look for sequences.
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This is, of course, because we can ONLY observe in one direction, currently.
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Re: OMG - Scientists think that "TIME" may not exist!! What is time?
time surely exists on the material plane, which our bodies (minds included) are bound to. it is one of its property - continuity, passing, change - as how can time be else defined than change?

but our soul and place where it belongs and comes from, there is no such thing as time (continuity). there is no past or future, there is only ever present NOW.

i dont know about others, but i live with this sense - of a ever present NOW. time is an abstraction.
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I thought I read something a while back that someone was trying to build a time machine using a property of light. The general idea was that if you can bend light in a "tunnel", you would be able to reverse the flow of time, but only in that tunnel, and it would only be effective from the time that the machine was turned on. In other words, the machine would not be able to be used to go back to before it was powered on.

Does anyone else remember reading anything about this, and if so, what ever came of it?
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there is time. everyone has a point in which your body will naturally perish, this is a naturally progressing frame that can be tracked.
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Time is the view of the back end of the bus as it pulls away from the running man trying to catch it.

We observe in one direction and look for sequences.



This is, of course, because we can ONLY observe in one direction, currently.
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Correct, we try to view time as we do the world. So when we witness a point we are unable to understand what comes after it in any other way than as a series of frames moving away from the observed moment.

We do not live in the moment but rather we chase the moment that we can never catch. To our internal observer this appears as cause and effect or time.
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Sorry i like to joke, too often.


I love the concept that most of what we know could easly be overturned with new discoveries, and time is one of them , mind bogling
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It's all good.

The thought that everything we hold as hard and fast "truths" can be overturned fascinates me as well.

What new discoveries is our generation going to see that will make us rethink our truths? Not even 700 years ago the earth was mainly thought to be flat and that the sun revolved around the earth was the accepted theory; how did we lose the astronomical knowledge that the ancients knew to build structures like the pyramids, stonehenge, etc.

Time needed to be measured effectively so that crops could be planted and harvested; or so that "daily prayers" were said at the correct time.

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Why do you think "they" have been screwin' around with different calenders over the ions.



Because as our knowledge of the mechanics of the day/month/year cycle grew, our ability to fine tune a calendar to match observation grew as well.

Its actually quite simple. I am suprised that you couldnt see this for yourself.
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Not true.. the 13 month/28 day calendar works perfectly fine

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