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Panic Attacks - or what? Any ideas?

 
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Biggest thing, is to get a correct diagnoses before trying any natural remedy.

Has the girl recently started menstrating? Hormonal changes can cause many disorders.
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Normal effects of thyroid dissorder - she should make a thyroid test!
Please, it is very important, because this desease cannot be healed, but
you can get the hormons again in the right order by meds, it is thyroxin, a hormon, you need to live, but it is nothing else like a natural hormon, it is not like aspirin or so, it is not a real med;
so, please, help her!
Panic attacks are mostly not of madness or so, but because of a bad hormonic status.
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You just read my mind....I was just thinking that with her age, and the extreme hormone fluxuations, could it involve the thyroid? Thanks!
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Biggest thing, is to get a correct diagnoses before trying any natural remedy.

Has the girl recently started menstrating? Hormonal changes can cause many disorders.
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I was thinking that too. And you're right....diagnose BEFORE treating!
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When I had these panic attacks I finally came to the conclusion the whole thing was in my own head and based on a subconscious fear of death suddenly revealing itself consciously. This causes the typical fight or flight chemical hormone reaction in the body without there being a clear danger present, adrenaline flows for no reason.
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Sounds more like it's an attention thing...self control issues...but I'm not a doctor.
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You could be right. She's at that age where emotions are out of control, etc. That's a tiny thought that is in the back of my mind about this. But, when it is happening, I know my friend feels utterly helpless and shocked. So, I'm not going to mention that until he's had her tested for every other possible thing. Thanks!
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Buy this book,
How to Stop Anxiety & Panic Attacks: A Simple Guide to using a specific set of Techniques to Stop Panic Attacks, Agoraphobia, Social Phobia, Fear of Driving or Flying and Stress
[link to www.amazon.com]
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Could she be sneaking diet pills?

Sounds like a reaction to caffeine.
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When I had these panic attacks I finally came to the conclusion the whole thing was in my own head and based on a subconscious fear of death suddenly revealing itself consciously. This causes the typical fight or flight chemical hormone reaction in the body without there being a clear danger present, adrenaline flows for no reason.
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Well, my friend said that when these attacks happen - as soon as she calms down, her head feels hot as a furnace.

I know that the "fight or flight" hormones can cause as many problems as they can help a person. Is that a medical fact, that panic attacks are caused by this hormone?
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Buy this book,
How to Stop Anxiety & Panic Attacks: A Simple Guide to using a specific set of Techniques to Stop Panic Attacks, Agoraphobia, Social Phobia, Fear of Driving or Flying and Stress
[link to www.amazon.com]
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Thank you! Will read asap. :)
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has your friend been able to capture these episodes on video? If not she should keep a cam handy, this will make things easier for the doctor to discern
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."

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Could she be sneaking diet pills?

Sounds like a reaction to caffeine.
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I don't know....I'll (gently) ask my friend....:)
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has your friend been able to capture these episodes on video? If not she should keep a cam handy, this will make things easier for the doctor to discern
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That's not a bad idea....however, he has lately been having to hold her down, (with the help of bystanders), to keep her from hurting hurself, when they occur....hard to keep a cool head in that scenario.
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have her blood checked for vitamin deficiencies.

I had a deficiency of vitamin B and it caused fear, panic and depression.

a normal b vitamin supplement isn't enough, neither is a b complex. it has to be a B 100 or better (preferably in liquid form for full absorption)
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go here for SPRAY B-12 that is absorbed 90% in 22 to 30 seconds right into the blood stream through the inside lining of your mouth, pure organic nutrients with NO binders or fillers on ANY kind.

my dad died of liver cancer last feb and his B levels were at 200 and after spraying the B-12 for just 5 days and when they took his blood his levels were at 940.

good luck.

[link to www.vitamist.com]
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has your friend been able to capture these episodes on video? If not she should keep a cam handy, this will make things easier for the doctor to discern


That's not a bad idea....however, he has lately been having to hold her down, (with the help of bystanders), to keep her from hurting hurself, when they occur....hard to keep a cool head in that scenario.
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whew, ya definitely try to get them captured. if she is having to be held down, most probably is a seizure but its best to just let it finish and not hold her down.

go to www.epilepsy.com and do some studying
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."

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I had the same problem.

Asthma which led to "anxiety attacks" which led to full blown seizure type episodes.

I was exactly how you described the girl. Rolling around in pain.

For years I was on all sorts of anxiety meds. Nothing really helping.


I started doing allergy elimination diets.

When I tried eliminating MSG everything stopped.

No more asthma no more "panic attacks".

I have never felt better.

Could be anything, but worth a shot. Hope she gets better : (
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Thank you all for your help and good advice......will google the ideas you've suggested, buy/borrow the books you recommended, etc. I appreciate all of your input! :)
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Someone very close to me has a daughter who has recently been diagnosed with panic attacks.

She is 14 yrs. old and these started this past July. They started out mimicking asthma attacks, or heat exhaustion. They've gotten progressively worse. Now, she gets them a couple of times a day. She begins by saying she feels funny, then progresses into collapsing onto the ground, screaming hysterically, clawing at the grass, (if she's outside), dry-heaving, and blacking out with little memory of the episode. The attacks last for about a quarter of an hour.

The docs are treating this as panic attack, (they did an EEG to rule out epilepsy). They've had her on low-dose Clonepan (sp?) for a couple of weeks along with Lexapro. They've just raised the dose of the Clonepan.

Does anyone have experience with this, or any good advice or input?
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OP, with them starting out 'like an asthma attack', I am wondering if it could be laryngeal spasms. This is how my panic attacks begin. I feel my throat tighten, and it feels like I cannot get air. My breathing is audible and has the sound of someone trying to breath through an attack, I literally have to fight to breathe. Its terrible.

The good news is, it is for the most part harmless. I did a lot of research on this after I discovered that it was happening to me. The worst that happens is the person passes out, and when they do, the spasms stop.

Having felt them before, I can understand why that feeling would cause a person to get on the ground, screaming and clawing. The feeling of not being able to breathe is terrifying.

Best of luck my friend!
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has your friend been able to capture these episodes on video? If not she should keep a cam handy, this will make things easier for the doctor to discern


That's not a bad idea....however, he has lately been having to hold her down, (with the help of bystanders), to keep her from hurting hurself, when they occur....hard to keep a cool head in that scenario.


whew, ya definitely try to get them captured. if she is having to be held down, most probably is a seizure but its best to just let it finish and not hold her down.

go to www.epilepsy.com and do some studying
 Quoting: mavric


Well, sometimes she is thrashing around on concrete..it's not that they pin her down, just try to keep her limbs and head from being hurt....

Thanks for the link...will check it out!
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I had the same problem.

Asthma which led to "anxiety attacks" which led to full blown seizure type episodes.

I was exactly how you described the girl. Rolling around in pain.

For years I was on all sorts of anxiety meds. Nothing really helping.


I started doing allergy elimination diets.

When I tried eliminating MSG everything stopped.

No more asthma no more "panic attacks".

I have never felt better.

Could be anything, but worth a shot. Hope she gets better : (
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 987366


Thank you! I'll look into the possible allergy with my friend.
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Normal effects of thyroid dissorder - she should make a thyroid test!
Please, it is very important, because this desease cannot be healed, but
you can get the hormons again in the right order by meds, it is thyroxin, a hormon, you need to live, but it is nothing else like a natural hormon, it is not like aspirin or so, it is not a real med;
so, please, help her!
Panic attacks are mostly not of madness or so, but because of a bad hormonic status.


You just read my mind....I was just thinking that with her age, and the extreme hormone fluxuations, could it involve the thyroid? Thanks!
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Yeah, when I went to the E.R. they immiediately checked my thyroid.
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Someone very close to me has a daughter who has recently been diagnosed with panic attacks.

She is 14 yrs. old and these started this past July. They started out mimicking asthma attacks, or heat exhaustion. They've gotten progressively worse. Now, she gets them a couple of times a day. She begins by saying she feels funny, then progresses into collapsing onto the ground, screaming hysterically, clawing at the grass, (if she's outside), dry-heaving, and blacking out with little memory of the episode. The attacks last for about a quarter of an hour.

The docs are treating this as panic attack, (they did an EEG to rule out epilepsy). They've had her on low-dose Clonepan (sp?) for a couple of weeks along with Lexapro. They've just raised the dose of the Clonepan.

Does anyone have experience with this, or any good advice or input?


OP, with them starting out 'like an asthma attack', I am wondering if it could be laryngeal spasms. This is how my panic attacks begin. I feel my throat tighten, and it feels like I cannot get air. My breathing is audible and has the sound of someone trying to breath through an attack, I literally have to fight to breathe. Its terrible.

The good news is, it is for the most part harmless. I did a lot of research on this after I discovered that it was happening to me. The worst that happens is the person passes out, and when they do, the spasms stop.

Having felt them before, I can understand why that feeling would cause a person to get on the ground, screaming and clawing. The feeling of not being able to breathe is terrifying.

Best of luck my friend!
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Wow - sounds kind of similar. I will investigate that....thank you!
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has your friend been able to capture these episodes on video? If not she should keep a cam handy, this will make things easier for the doctor to discern


That's not a bad idea....however, he has lately been having to hold her down, (with the help of bystanders), to keep her from hurting hurself, when they occur....hard to keep a cool head in that scenario.


whew, ya definitely try to get them captured. if she is having to be held down, most probably is a seizure but its best to just let it finish and not hold her down.

go to www.epilepsy.com and do some studying


Well, sometimes she is thrashing around on concrete..it's not that they pin her down, just try to keep her limbs and head from being hurt....

Thanks for the link...will check it out!
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understand. most tonic clonics start with a scream as air is being pushed from the longs. body becomes rigid and spasms or convulsions begin. Does she turn blue? Bite her tongue? urinate on herself?
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have her blood checked for vitamin deficiencies.

I had a deficiency of vitamin B and it caused fear, panic and depression.

a normal b vitamin supplement isn't enough, neither is a b complex. it has to be a B 100 or better (preferably in liquid form for full absorption)

go here for SPRAY B-12 that is absorbed 90% in 22 to 30 seconds right into the blood stream through the inside lining of your mouth, pure organic nutrients with NO binders or fillers on ANY kind.

my dad died of liver cancer last feb and his B levels were at 200 and after spraying the B-12 for just 5 days and when they took his blood his levels were at 940.

good luck.

[link to www.vitamist.com]
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thank you so much!!
really appreciate that
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She is magnesium deficient---she should start taking 500-800 mg magnesium per day for a couple months, then about 500 mg per day after that......
Friend of mine had severe panic attacks,,,,after a few months they were gone.....
gotta' give it time though....
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Alot of good advice people've been giving! Nice to see.

I'd check into a number of things, too--is she keeping hydrated sufficiently? Woo-woo, BUT, any indicators of her being an "alien abductee"? Is she suffering from agoraphobia? Are the seizures always out-of-doors? If so, this might be an indicator of agoraphobia. Lastly---does she have any old mercury-style fillings?

Good luck to her.
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Honestly the first thing that came to mind is this may have started as a panic attack but she is using it to get attention or deflect from having to do something she doesn't want to do. I hope I am wrong but that's my gut feeling.
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has your friend been able to capture these episodes on video? If not she should keep a cam handy, this will make things easier for the doctor to discern


That's not a bad idea....however, he has lately been having to hold her down, (with the help of bystanders), to keep her from hurting hurself, when they occur....hard to keep a cool head in that scenario.


whew, ya definitely try to get them captured. if she is having to be held down, most probably is a seizure but its best to just let it finish and not hold her down.

go to www.epilepsy.com and do some studying


Well, sometimes she is thrashing around on concrete..it's not that they pin her down, just try to keep her limbs and head from being hurt....

Thanks for the link...will check it out!


understand. most tonic clonics start with a scream as air is being pushed from the longs. body becomes rigid and spasms or convulsions begin. Does she turn blue? Bite her tongue? urinate on herself?
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No - none of that....however, as I said, they have gotten progressively worse so, that my yet come.
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have her blood checked for vitamin deficiencies.

I had a deficiency of vitamin B and it caused fear, panic and depression.

a normal b vitamin supplement isn't enough, neither is a b complex. it has to be a B 100 or better (preferably in liquid form for full absorption)

go here for SPRAY B-12 that is absorbed 90% in 22 to 30 seconds right into the blood stream through the inside lining of your mouth, pure organic nutrients with NO binders or fillers on ANY kind.

my dad died of liver cancer last feb and his B levels were at 200 and after spraying the B-12 for just 5 days and when they took his blood his levels were at 940.

good luck.

[link to www.vitamist.com]

thank you so much!!
really appreciate that
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you are more than welcome and i had my left pinky finger swell up from arthritis and after using the ARTHRIFLEX for just a couple of weeks it has almost went back to its normal size.

it is all about the absorbtion of any supplement.

these products are listed in the PDR under mayor pharm labs and there is even a graph that shows the different absorbtion rates for a shot in the ass, liquid under the tongue, pills, the sprays and the only way you can do better than the sprays is go right into the vein.
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She is magnesium deficient---she should start taking 500-800 mg magnesium per day for a couple months, then about 500 mg per day after that......
Friend of mine had severe panic attacks,,,,after a few months they were gone.....
gotta' give it time though....
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I will look into that. Thank you. :)
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OP you could be describing my own daughter when she was 16. She would lay on the floor in the fetal position, wailing hysterically, and crying that she didn't want to live anymore. This was a beautiful, healthy, intelligent girl just a month before. I had to quit my job for fear of leaving her alone, I feared she was suicidal. Up till then an honor student, in the band, lots of friends, not into drugs or drinking, etc.

We went the doctor route and they claimed lots of the things people have suggested here: seizures, attention-seeking, food allergies, etc. All they could do was put her on Klonopin and Valium which knocked her out completely. She missed an entire semester of her junior year of high school. I was a total wreck.

Finally, in desperation I did research (this was 20 years ago, before computers in the home) and found the book "Toxic Metal Syndrome."

[link to www.minimum.com]

My daughter's symptoms came on suddenly about 10 days after some major dental work. On further research, I found she had attended an elementary school that was close to a toxic waste dump and our house at that time used well water.

I found an alternative MD an hour's drive away who documented her on video; he tested and found her positive for 11 heavy metals. She spent 2 months going for intravenous EDTA chelation 3x a week and very very slowly got better. She was down to skin and bones, she frequently passed out during treatment, her blood pressure was dangerously low. But she made it. They supplemented the IVs with vitamin B complex, vitamin C and other things; it's best to do this through an MD. After that we took her to a wholistic dentist who removed all her amalgam fillings using a special protocol. It took a total of 6 months but she slowly came back to us. She is now happily married, a young mother, successful career woman with a Bachelor's degree. Back when she was going through this I seriously thought she was going to die.

I get a little pissy about people who quickly say "it's drugs" or "she's just looking for attention." Anyone who has witnessed something like this, and who knows their own child, will know if this is something serious or not.

Sadly, I tried to get the word out and wrote the local papers, wrote my elected officials, wrote to the schools. What happened? Nothing except the doctor got shut down for using unorthodox protocols and last I heard, he (quietly) moved to another state.

Don't give up, don't listen to all the so-called experts, have your friend listen to her own heart and do her own research because she knows her own child better than anyone else.

Godspeed to you and them.

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