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In about 1 hour hooligans gonna protests in holland for anti-Muslim leader Geert Wilders.

 
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Anywhere you stand for your Nation against the Globalist agenda, you will be branded a Hooligan, a Racist or some other word to demonize you!

No, if you attack people for belonging to another group than yourself... then sane people don't like that...
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One more time...........

'Except.............if you were paying attention and wern't an islamic shill - you would notice that it is the 'anti-facists' and muslims who are the ones beating, killing and silencing thier opponents!'
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It is not accurate to describe Geert Wilders as anti-Muslim, he is anti-Islamic. You need to learn the difference.
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That is just political correctness. If he didn't get hammered so much for being hatefull against people he would not mind seeing a difference himself. If the religion is pure evil, why should he really not be against people who practice the religion...
He is...
He likes jews and their religion better...

I disagree. Muslims are people of every type and national origin. Modern Islam is a Mohammedan concoction of mind control techniques, that sets out with intent to make people malleable and less than their creator gave them the potential to be. I believe Mr. Wilders understands that Muslim people have been deluded by the Islamic cults and feels sorry for their plight. It is easy for an outsider to confuse Muslims with Islam, and many people make that mistake. It is possible to cure Muslims of Islam. If they have the will and sufficient outside support, Muslims can become rational and sane people. By opposing Islam, Mr. Wilders is actually trying to do the best thing possible for Mohammedan Muslims.
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Good way for the leftwing media to associate national identity and patriotism with hooligans, violence, fascism and stupidity.

Our national Identity does not depend on muslims or the destruction of muslims. Right wingers hijack the national identity.
 Quoting: easymind

It does not indeed. But muslims do not get to decide what our identity should be. What the hell do you mean by 'destruction'? All he wants is that muslims integrate in our society and accept our norms and values.

It is because multiculti's like you things are as shitty as they are.
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If all the world problems were played out on a football field,it would be so much easier.
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Hours of KICKIN a bag of air sounds faggy and anti human. Our monkey ancestors became rulers of the planet by THROWING stones. Get back to throwing. This time throwing the muzzies out of The West.

Our greatest hero, next to Christ should be Charles Martel and our greatest holiday next to Christmas and Easter should be The Victory of Tours thereby defeating Islam, our eternal enemy.

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Anywhere you stand for your Nation against the Globalist agenda, you will be branded a Hooligan, a Racist or some other word to demonize you!

No, if you attack people for belonging to another group than yourself... then sane people don't like that...


One more time...........

'Except.............if you were paying attention and wern't an islamic shill - you would notice that it is the 'anti-facists' and muslims who are the ones beating, killing and silencing thier opponents!'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1034753

These people do Hitler salutes walk with german flags and shave their heads. They do participate in football fights. Maybe they have learned to 'behave' a bit when doing demonstrations. But if it was up to them they would not mind trashing or fighting anything.
They do not seem to be for peace and non violence.
So maybe you like to say that thing to play the game, but it hardly means anything.
I know the left wing can be aggressive too, but I only see them aggressive against right wingers who preach superiority over all and promote a totalitarian closed up system. I am not for living in a North Korea style superiority fantasy.
Time is a great teacher, unfortunately it kills all its pupils.
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I am not for living in a North Korea style superiority fantasy.
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You are aware that North Korea is a left wing communist state?
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Good way for the leftwing media to associate national identity and patriotism with hooligans, violence, fascism and stupidity.

Our national Identity does not depend on muslims or the destruction of muslims. Right wingers hijack the national identity.

It does not indeed. But muslims do not get to decide what our identity should be. What the hell do you mean by 'destruction'? All he wants is that muslims integrate in our society and accept our norms and values.

It is because multiculti's like you things are as shitty as they are.
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He preaches Islam is pure evil. I know a lot believe that hypocritical view. But for me it is all about neocons and israel exporting their fight for oppression of oil rich muslim nations.
All I see muslims fight is western dudes inside their country. Who can blame them?
I don't see much Islam in politics or in media, I do not see the take over of Europe.
There is a hundred times more talk bout it all then actual facts.
How will non multiculti work? All other races than the White should never have settled in Europe or the US. Or just not Islam?
If I can work and play with whites, yellows, browns and purples. Why do you say it is impossible?
There are much bigger crimes and evils going on in the world. Those things are about weapons, oil, mining and food.
In about 20 years I hope we have forgotten this stupid fight against another religion. Just as we stopped beating black slaves and stopped gassing jews....
Time is a great teacher, unfortunately it kills all its pupils.
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Meet Geert Wilders
Globalist Theater's Brightest New Star

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Geert Widlers began his career working for notorious Royal Dutch Shell-man and Bilderberger Frits Bolkestein. He assisted Bolkestein in writing speeches and viewed him as a mentor. He was part of the Liberal Party, before starting his own, the Partij voor de Vrijheid (Party for Freedom). Like the Liberal Party before it, the Party for Freedom seems to spend its entire time fear mongering over the "creeping Sharia" of "radical Islam." Their solution is to ban scarves, minarets, the construction of new mosques, and private Muslim schools.

If you were expecting more dimension from this globalist character you will be sadly disappointed. He has spent the entirety of his time producing and promoting his short film titled "Fitna," in which he presents the standard globalist narrative of the "War on Terror" through the use of cherry picked Qu'ran verses, in between his over 4o trips to Israel, and his non-stop repetitive mantra hosted by CFR and PNAC characters in the United States.
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I disagree. Muslims are people of every type and national origin. Modern Islam is a Mohammedan concoction of mind control techniques, that sets out with intent to make people malleable and less than their creator gave them the potential to be. I believe Mr. Wilders understands that Muslim people have been deluded by the Islamic cults and feels sorry for their plight. It is easy for an outsider to confuse Muslims with Islam, and many people make that mistake. It is possible to cure Muslims of Islam. If they have the will and sufficient outside support, Muslims can become rational and sane people. By opposing Islam, Mr. Wilders is actually trying to do the best thing possible for Mohammedan Muslims.
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Yeah right. So which religion is the bestest and greatestestest?
All religions make people listen to a church and make them malleable.
What is a Muslim without Islam? Still a Muslim?
The Jews do not believe in Christ. Should they attack Christians to help them?
I do not believe in any church, should people like me attack all churches?
 Quoting: easymind

So what. This discussion is not about the shortcomings of other religions, it is specific to the mental illness caused by Mohammedan Islam and the fact that Mr. Wilders and his supporters do not wish the infection to spread. The Netherlands was one of the first countries to shrug off theocracy and throughout the 16th and 17th centuries suffered quite badly as a nation in its attempts to do so. After throwing off theocracy, they instituted an open society that encouraged debate. In an attempt to prove to the world how open they are and in response to guilt for the good life the past couple generations they had, some Dutch people are determined that their culture should be displaced by an Islamic one. Islam is not a "church" it is a complete all encompassing way of life, that tells people how to think, pray, clean their backsides etc. It is a political and judicial movement that will supplant your indigenous culture.

It may surprise you to know that I was born into an Islamic family, in an Islamic country. At the time we emigrated, first to the Netherlands, then to Britain there was much less of it and it was easier to become educated and shrug it off. I have not been a Muslim for 30 years now. It also may surprise you to know how many intelligent young people are forced to practice Islam by the old fashioned ideas of their parents. Every time you support the growth of that culture you stymie the efforts of some young person who does not wish to have their mind bent and who would rather be a free person. You would do well to make friends with these young people and help them to realize the dream that the Netherlands used to have, instead of indulging your guilt to the detriment of humanity.
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I just got off the phone with Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff, who will shortly be one of the speakers at today’s demonstration at Generatorstraat in Amsterdam. The police moved the demonstration to the new venue at the last minute, and Elisabeth says it is an awful place — a bare patch of grass in the middle of nowhere, far away from anything.

The demonstration, however is a smashing success, according to Elisabeth and others at the site. The remote open location apparently attracted massive media coverage, and Elisabeth has given four interviews so far. While she was talking to me, Paul Weston was being interviewed by a French media outlet.

The “anti-fascists” had gathered at the nearby train station to try to prevent the demonstrators from reaching the site, but they were not successful. Ruffians reputed to be from the AFCA/Ajax football club were at the station, ready for a fight, but were chased away by the police.

Elisabeth says that there is a helicopter hovering over the field, police on horses, and fifteen to twenty police vehicles on the scene. There are more police than civilians.

The English Defence League’s minivan was smashed by the Antifas, and the EDL was asked (reportedly by the British police, strangely enough) to leave the demonstration early.

For that reason Tommy Robinson had to give his brief address ahead of schedule, and made some caustic remarks about the state of free speech in Amsterdam. He showed the audience that he had to wear a bullet-proof vest while addressing them, and had strong words say about the inability of the Dutch authorities to protect peaceful demonstrators. He said it was a disgrace that the mayor had shunted the demo off into the middle of nowhere.

While I was talking to Elisabeth, I could hear Gandalf (“The Younger”, of VV&D and the Alliance to Stop Sharia) in the background speaking to the crowd and chastising the Antifas who were heckling him for their inability to tolerate real democracy.

There will be photos later, and I hear that there are already photos posted here. There will also be video.


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Geert Wilders is associated neck-deep with members of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Project for a New American Century, the very men who's only missing ingredient in their 2000 "Rebuilding America's Defenses" report was a "new Pearl Harbor" and the resulting endless war. Wilders is out there everyday, ceaselessly trying to keep their war going in tandem with the "Stop Islamization of America" and "Stop Islamization of Europe" organizations. He is enjoying the support of minions like PNAC Frank Gaffney and David Horowitz who are populating the media with stories and defenses of his exploits, while CFR/PNAC members like Daniel Pipes gather money to pay for his legal expenses.

Wilders has been built up - gestated by a Bilderberger, handed over to the CFR as surrogate caretakers, and carried along by the globalist mainstream media. There is no way the Dutch, run wall-to-wall by Bilderbergers, are doing anything but putting on a show. The ground work and back-story for Wilders has been established, along with a certain fan-base, now it is time to bring him mainstream, center stage. Now it is time for the public as a whole to "Meet Geert Wilders."
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I am not for living in a North Korea style superiority fantasy.

You are aware that North Korea is a left wing communist state?
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It is a very nationalistic state. The same type of patriotism and nationalism the right wingers preach. It is always debatable how to classify those groups or countries.
But for me, anyone preaching nationalism and a strong leader is preaching for a dictatorial regime. I would call it right wing.
I know the NAZI are supposed to be about socialism. But spying on neighbours, militarising the country and killing or jailing opponents, is not very social. The same happens in North Korea. They may call it social, but it is just dictatorial.
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I am not for living in a North Korea style superiority fantasy.

You are aware that North Korea is a left wing communist state?

It is a very nationalistic state. The same type of patriotism and nationalism the right wingers preach. It is always debatable how to classify those groups or countries.
But for me, anyone preaching nationalism and a strong leader is preaching for a dictatorial regime. I would call it right wing.

You mean like Russia, Romania, Albania, China, Cambodia?

I know the NAZI are supposed to be about socialism. But spying on neighbours, militarising the country and killing or jailing opponents, is not very social. The same happens in North Korea. They may call it social, but it is just dictatorial.
 Quoting: easymind

My god...have ever read a history book? spying on neighbours, militarising the country and killing or jailing opponents,
That is what happens in EVERY socialist country. That is
what socialism is about in practice.

You suffer fron an affliction that is common in Europe and certainly in the Netherlands: the Orwellian assumption that "Left is Good" therefore "Good is Left".
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It may surprise you to know that I was born into an Islamic family, in an Islamic country. At the time we emigrated, first to the Netherlands, then to Britain there was much less of it and it was easier to become educated and shrug it off. I have not been a Muslim for 30 years now. It also may surprise you to know how many intelligent young people are forced to practice Islam by the old fashioned ideas of their parents. Every time you support the growth of that culture you stymie the efforts of some young person who does not wish to have their mind bent and who would rather be a free person. You would do well to make friends with these young people and help them to realize the dream that the Netherlands used to have, instead of indulging your guilt to the detriment of humanity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1146751

My grandparents where christians living in a rather heavy christian town. My grandma wore a headscarf a lot. The creation of wealth the last 60 years have made us all a bit less religious.
That poorer countries have stronger religious practices is just the same as with us.
That Islam is a disease is just naive nonsense. That big industries and global powers have sponsored extremist to coerce countries to do what the industry wants, that is a disease. That jihadist and wahabis are sponsored by the West and others in the past and maybe present, that was a disease...
Ofcourse moderate Islam exists. We are also not burning witches anymore, but we could if we also get sponsored groups interpreting scriptures like that...
Time is a great teacher, unfortunately it kills all its pupils.
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Our Flemish correspondent VH sends this report about an organized group of Dutch football supporters — “hooligans”, according to some observers — who have been roused by the words of the mayor of Amsterdam to organize a push-back against the EDL at tomorrow’s demonstration:

If I understand it correctly, as of the “Nieuwsuur” presentation, Antifa had not yet filed a permit for a demo, and the Mayor urged them to do so. With his “football-hooligan” spin he woke up the supporters of the Ajax/AFCA organization (or at least its supporters’ “leadership”).

AFCA #1

Here’s a translated article from the AFCA website. It’s dated October 28 — which is well after the mayor publicly said he had “solid indications” hooligans would show up:


“Because we do not tolerate (violent) racism and fascism in our city, as in the past already has been expressed on our site, we call each AJAX-supporter with some balls on to next Saturday show that we do not agree with this demonstration. Gather at 13:00 at the station Sloterdijk and form there the trip will be made towards Gerneratorweg.

Note: no violence against police and/or ME (mobile unit; riot police), we only plead for our city, and in this case do not tolerate the EDL in our city!

This message does not mean that we as AFCA are ANTI or PRO Wilders, we are only are against these kinds of Mongols who are rousing public feeling …”



Now the mayor has to stop those “Ajax supporters” — or whoever poses as such — from siding with the fascists of Antifa in threatening an officially permitted demonstration.


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Aren't Ajax the hook-nosed inbred club?
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I am not for living in a North Korea style superiority fantasy.

You are aware that North Korea is a left wing communist state?
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Really?

Easymind is going!
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My god...have ever read a history book? spying on neighbours, militarising the country and killing or jailing opponents,
That is what happens in EVERY socialist country. That is
what socialism is about in practice.

You suffer fron an affliction that is common in Europe and certainly in the Netherlands: the Orwellian assumption that "Left is Good" therefore "Good is Left".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1107985

The left is good. But people in power cannot handle it. The bolsjevik revolution in Russia should have brought power to the farmers and workers. But the leaders or infiltrated leaders just used socialism to gain dictatorial power. But the left or socialism is not about dictatorial power.
So we in Europe have social democracies. It is not dictatorial, it is just right wing capitalist greed balanced with some left wing social policies.
Time is a great teacher, unfortunately it kills all its pupils.
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It may surprise you to know that I was born into an Islamic family, in an Islamic country. At the time we emigrated, first to the Netherlands, then to Britain there was much less of it and it was easier to become educated and shrug it off. I have not been a Muslim for 30 years now. It also may surprise you to know how many intelligent young people are forced to practice Islam by the old fashioned ideas of their parents. Every time you support the growth of that culture you stymie the efforts of some young person who does not wish to have their mind bent and who would rather be a free person. You would do well to make friends with these young people and help them to realize the dream that the Netherlands used to have, instead of indulging your guilt to the detriment of humanity.
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My grandparents where christians living in a rather heavy christian town. My grandma wore a headscarf a lot. The creation of wealth the last 60 years have made us all a bit less religious.
That poorer countries have stronger religious practices is just the same as with us.
That Islam is a disease is just naive nonsense. That big industries and global powers have sponsored extremist to coerce countries to do what the industry wants, that is a disease. That jihadist and wahabis are sponsored by the West and others in the past and maybe present, that was a disease...
Ofcourse moderate Islam exists. We are also not burning witches anymore, but we could if we also get sponsored groups interpreting scriptures like that...
 Quoting: easymind

And when poverty returns, as it will in the near future, and once again people turn from materialism back to religion, which set of superstitions do you want as the basis of your laws and social structures. I asked my sisters this, and they are determined that their own children and grand children do not have to suffer what they did as teenagers.
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And when poverty returns, as it will in the near future, and once again people turn from materialism back to religion, which set of superstitions do you want as the basis of your laws and social structures. I asked my sisters this, and they are determined that their own children and grand children do not have to suffer what they did as teenagers.
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If it is a choice between burning, drowning, put in dungeons to be stretched or pulled in 4 pieces. (Christians)
Or it is about hanging and chopping of arms or wearing burka's or being forced to kill (Islam)

I don't know, it is all bad...
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If somebody comes to kill me or my family I will fight. Not before that and not because people who seem to get profits somehow say I should fear and fight '.......'.
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My god...have ever read a history book? spying on neighbours, militarising the country and killing or jailing opponents,
That is what happens in EVERY socialist country. That is
what socialism is about in practice.

You suffer fron an affliction that is common in Europe and certainly in the Netherlands: the Orwellian assumption that "Left is Good" therefore "Good is Left".

The left is good. But people in power cannot handle it. The bolsjevik revolution in Russia should have brought power to the farmers and workers. But the leaders or infiltrated leaders just used socialism to gain dictatorial power. But the left or socialism is not about dictatorial power.
So we in Europe have social democracies. It is not dictatorial, it is just right wing capitalist greed balanced with some left wing social policies.
 Quoting: easymind

So what you are saying is that socialism is good so long as no people are involved?

Why is capitalism rightwing? Please explain.
Explain the difference between liberal and social democratic. Why do you call European democracies social instead of parliamentairy?

Have you read the PVV party program? If so you would have known that it is a social democratic program. Why then is Wilders right-wing? Just because he doesn't like Islam?
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So what you are saying is that socialism is good so long as no people are involved?

Why is capitalism rightwing? Please explain.
Explain the difference between liberal and social democratic. Why do you call European democracies social instead of parliamentairy?

Have you read the PVV party program? If so you would have known that it is a social democratic program. Why then is Wilders right-wing? Just because he doesn't like Islam?
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I am saying socialism is good as long it is not ruled by dictators. Making a 5 year plan for the economy and keeping in mind the 'harmony' of the Nation and the distribution of goods and wealth to all sounds ok to me. I think we in the West even do it.

Capitalism is right wing because it is a system where the individual tries to collect as much wealth as he or she can and learns to think in satisfying only himself.

Liberal democracies do nothing to interfere in the market or corporations. They think the market works by demand and supply and will always find a good balance that benefits the most.

Social democracies don't believe the balance will come naturaly and see capitalism growing into monopolies and oligarchies. They see the wealth accumulating in the hands of a reducing group of 'winners'. They see competition reducing if corporations get bigger and fewer. So they are for rules and regulations making capitalism work as it should. Spreading the most wealth to the largest group possible.

Wilder is right wing for spreading the view that only specific people should participate and others not. Nationalism is like religion to me. It can be practised as a hobby at home but should not be in politics. It is delusional to make all dutch people think holland is the best and all belgians to think belgium is the best. What is the point except preparing for conflict?
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Anywhere you stand for your Nation against the Globalist agenda, you will be branded a Hooligan, a Racist or some other word to demonize you!

No, if you attack people for belonging to another group than yourself... then sane people don't like that...


One more time...........

'Except.............if you were paying attention and wern't an islamic shill - you would notice that it is the 'anti-facists' and muslims who are the ones beating, killing and silencing thier opponents!'

These people do Hitler salutes walk with german flags and shave their heads. They do participate in football fights. Maybe they have learned to 'behave' a bit when doing demonstrations. But if it was up to them they would not mind trashing or fighting anything.
They do not seem to be for peace and non violence.
So maybe you like to say that thing to play the game, but it hardly means anything.
I know the left wing can be aggressive too, but I only see them aggressive against right wingers who preach superiority over all and promote a totalitarian closed up system. I am not for living in a North Korea style superiority fantasy.
 Quoting: easymind

Who ARE you talking about? I was talking about the EDL - they certainly don't act like you say.
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No, if you attack people for belonging to another group than yourself... then sane people don't like that...

Who ARE you talking about? I was talking about the EDL - they certainly don't act like you say.
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I don't know. How does the EDL act according to you?
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I know the left wing can be aggressive too, but I only see them aggressive against right wingers who preach superiority over all and promote a totalitarian closed up system. I am not for living in a North Korea style superiority fantasy.
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Once Islam takes a hold and sharia law take control you will be living EXACTLY in a North Korea style fantasy!!!
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Once Islam takes a hold and sharia law take control you will be living EXACTLY in a North Korea style fantasy!!!
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I know. But it will not happen. Muslim countries are invaded by us. We are not being attacked by Muslim nations.
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So what you are saying is that socialism is good so long as no people are involved?

Why is capitalism rightwing? Please explain.
Explain the difference between liberal and social democratic. Why do you call European democracies social instead of parliamentairy?

Have you read the PVV party program? If so you would have known that it is a social democratic program. Why then is Wilders right-wing? Just because he doesn't like Islam?

I am saying socialism is good as long it is not ruled by dictators. Making a 5 year plan for the economy and keeping in mind the 'harmony' of the Nation and the distribution of goods and wealth to all sounds ok to me. I think we in the West even do it.

So you say the rights of the individual are meaningless.
And you have no grasp of how economies work.



Capitalism is right wing because it is a system where the individual tries to collect as much wealth as he or she can and learns to think in satisfying only himself.

You parrot leftwing phrases. That is not what capitalism is about. To lend you words, 'That only happens when capitalist society get hiijacked by dictators'.

True capitalism is in fact one of the most anarchic system. But seeing that you are a firm collectivist that probabely doesn't interest you.




Liberal democracies do nothing to interfere in the market or corporations. They think the market works by demand and supply and will always find a good balance that benefits the most.

Again, have you any idea how economies work? How people act and exist in an economy?



Social democracies don't believe the balance will come naturaly and see capitalism growing into monopolies and oligarchies. They see the wealth accumulating in the hands of a reducing group of 'winners'. They see competition reducing if corporations get bigger and fewer. So they are for rules and regulations making capitalism work as it should. Spreading the most wealth to the largest group possible.

So people should not get what they earn but what the State says they should get?
How should capitalism work in your opinion?

Oligarchism and monopolies have nothing to do with liberalism. Far from its they are against the very nature of liberalism
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Wrong. Wilders says that all people should participate, as long as they are willing to integrated into our society. He does not want to make the Dutch to think they are better than others. He wants to protect our society and the people in our country against infleuences he thinks are bad. And yes Islam opresses women and non-muslims. And yes Islam is not just a relgion but an ideology.

Conflict? Islam is in a permanent state of war with the non-muslim world. They even divide the world into the conquered(world of Islam) and the unconquered world (world of war).
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Quite frankly, I wish we had a Geert Wilder's right here in the US. It's not about Freedom of Religion when you get right down to it, UNLESS Islam evolves and outlaws everything that the religion allows that our Constitution forbids. Islam is a Human Rights Disaster!

It is NOT your right to freely express your religion when it involves mutilating the genitals of females.

It is NOT your right to freely express your religion when your religion allows you stone, beat, rape, or murder women, your daughters, and females that don't practice your religion!

It is NOT your right to freely express your religion when your religion allows you to murder those who don't practice your religion including those who do practice your religion, but YOU think aren't "faithful" enough!

It is NOT your right to freely express your religion when you use it to maim, threaten, manipulate, terrorize, or otherwise commit crimes against Humanity "in the name of God" or because you feel that you or your religion has been offended. Welcome to Freedom of Expression!

It is NOT your right to freely express your religion when said religion has a court system outside of the Judicial System set forth in the Constitution.

And it is DEFINITELY NOT your right to freely express your religion when you use it as a weapon to hold the World captive! Separation of Church and State exists for this reason - that no ONE religion can be declared the National religion.

So if you can't practice your religion without doing the things that are forbidden by the Constitution, get the fuck out of the US and any other country whose Constitution forbids crimes against humanity!

Last Edited by Khim on 10/30/2010 11:31 AM
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Re: In about 1 hour hooligans gonna protests in holland for anti-Muslim leader Geert Wilders.
lol
there were more journalists than protesters: just 50

there were 100 anti-protesters
police could block them and (or were they the 100?) some football hooligans that wanted to make some uproar

so much ado about nothing, more a media spectacle than anything else (as usual)

Last Edited by R... on 10/30/2010 12:24 PM
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Re: In about 1 hour hooligans gonna protests in holland for anti-Muslim leader Geert Wilders.
1. Again, have you any idea how economies work? How people act and exist in an economy?

2. So people should not get what they earn but what the State says they should get?
How should capitalism work in your opinion?

3. Oligarchism and monopolies have nothing to do with liberalism. Far from its they are against the very nature of liberalism

4. And yes Islam opresses women and non-muslims. And yes Islam is not just a relgion but an ideology.

5. Conflict? Islam is in a permanent state of war with the non-muslim world. They even divide the world into the conquered(world of Islam) and the unconquered world (world of war).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1107985

1. Why is that. I just described you the 2 sides we seem to have in capitalism. The ones who are pro government influence and the once against. Government can demand minimum wages, it can create subsidies and ask extra tax on industries they do or do not want. Why do you think I have no idea about economics.

2. I am for minimum wages and I am against wealth accumulation so that now 5% hold 95% of the wealth. Do you know that the average difference in income between a ceo and a average worker in Europe and Japan is about 9 times. In the US in some cases it is 600 times... Is that good capitalism? Should CEO's and investors only decide how to pay workers? Don't you think we will get Chinese practices where labour is paid in cents...

3. I know those have nothing to do with liberalism. Because liberals want competition. But they just ignore the fact that monopolies do develop if capitalism is not regulated....

4. Now you are parroting. You can say wilders just hates Islam and not Muslims. You can also say it is not a religion but it is an ideology. All that nonsense doesn't mean a lot to me. He just wants Islam gone. He said the first country to visit if he became prime minister would be Israel. He just promotes the Israelien view.

5. Islam is in conflict within itself. In the end the biggest sufferers of extremism are the moderate muslims themselves. Wahabis can be hired to radicalise towns an nations. They are more like private contractors than Muslim. We are just as guilty of sponsoring those extremist as other powers. We the west have not stopped waging war against different countries for different reasons since I don't know when. Hundreds of years....thousands....I don't know.
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