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I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.

 
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I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
Wish I tried to simulate the hoax before. Like nine years before when I became a skeptic.

I started a few days back with the idea to prove once and for all that NASA could have faked the moonlandings, and was determined to show how they must have done it.

Here is my try:

The scenario:

All moon film footage and pictures made by astronauts on the Moon is preshot in a secret location which I call ASP control. (ASP=Apollo Simulation Project). There is a covert hardline communications link between mission control and ASP control at all times. The command module contains a live audio/video feed which is directed at ASP control ONLY on a band which is outside the regular communications range. Only ASP can receive this stream. The command module has a form of auto pilot mechanism which can be controlled by ASP. The lunar module contains several robotics with mounted cameras for mission tasks. Lets call these LR´s (Lunar Robots).

Before launch, the moment the hatch closes the astronauts are no longer in the CM. They are quickly provided with technician caps and overalls and the suits are hidden in large shoulder bags. They leave the platform with the final group of support technicians and are quickly moved to the secure ASP location, where communications is already set up. Any traffic from and to the CM is already being relayed using the CM relay station.

After launch all comms are relayed from ASP control to mission control via the CM. All footage from the inside of the CM including stage separation is shot by robotics. Once in orbit all voice comms are sent and received via the CM relay. ASP control gets input on mission parameters and communications via the hardlink and acts accordingly. At the right time all pre-recorded orbital astronaut footage is sent to the CM and relayed back to mission control.

TLI-burn is initiated and the unmanned CM is on its way to the Moon. During the trip to the moon and once there the same processes keep the communications between mission control and ASP control via CM fluid.

At the designated time the LM is deployed, fake footage sent where needed, and the LM is landed. All footage is sent from ASP control for the entire mission on the moon. In reality the LM is landed, and the robotics are deployed for various tasks, like placing artifacts and collecting samples. Once the mission time on the moon has ended, the top part of the LM is launched and it docks with the CM.

The samples taken are placed in the CM by the robotics and the LM is ditched.

The CM returns to earth. At the right time the crew is placed on board a second CM which is in the cargo hold of a C-5A. This second CM holds a batch of fake moon samples, Hasselblad cameras with still photos previously shot and the reels of film recorded at ASP studio. Comms continue and are relayed still. The real CM enters atmosphere. Comms blackout. After re-entry the second CM is released from the C-130 cargohold and deploys its parachutes. Onboard cameras rolling. At this time FALSE positional data on the first CM is passed by ASP control - there is a 50 mile deviation in the location of the real CM and the second CM. All relayed comms end. Any comms after the blackout come from the second CM. The Hornet rescue team is near the location of the second CM containing the crew after the crew announce their position, an ASP team most likely using a submarine is sent to recover the original CM which landed 50 miles further. The original CM is salvaged and the lunar samples are collected from the original CM. The splashdown of the second CM is recorded and the crew is rescued.

At a later time the real moon samples are switched with the fake ones at NASA, most likely when they are put into storage.

End of mission.

So what would be needed to stage this?

Several movie sets needed to be built in a secret location. These sets would need to look as real as possible and would need superiour crane and lighting technologies. Reels and reels of footage needed to be taken on these sets, including still photography using the actual Hasselblad cameras.

Sophisticated relay of communications. Communication Relay stations on both the CM and LM acting as actual transmitters. Hardlink from mission control to ASP control. Directional transmitter from ASP control aimed at the CM/LM.

Insiders. A lot but not as much as you may expect.

- All the Apollo astronauts who were scheduled for moon missions. (27)
- The NASA flight director (1) as the only individual in Mission Control.
- Stage builders/Set builders/Film crew - Photographers (20 max)
- Technicians and technical engineers for all purposes like set generation but especially comms and robotics (30 max)
- Military intelligence + sub (30/40) to ensure the CM swap in the Pacific is succesful
- C-5A Pilots (2) unless two of the other Apollo astronauts flew the C-5A themselves
- Politicians (2) most likely the POTUS and the VP
- Intelligence (1) Director of the CIA most likely

That´s around 125 individuals who needed to know the whole story.

A certain type of non-disclosure agreement would have been in place. The kind that gets your family killed upon disclosure. Technicians and film crew would have been harvested from the CIA first, then from NASA and finally the commercial sector.

Communications would have to be well orchestrated and directed. ASP would need remote control to certain functions in the CM in case anything really went wrong (like the Apollo 12 lightning strike). A diversional operation would be needed to ensure credibility. This operation pertains to the UFO sightings and claims of alien structures supposidly seen by Apollo crews. It perfectly draws the attention away from the actual faked operation.

As to why it was done? Radiation. Why continue? Follow the program through.

End of speculation.


Now ok, creative as this is, there is the slight issue of the live video taken while Apollo was in orbit (several missions). This footage clearly shows that they are in a weightless environment, no wires, no strings, they are in a weightless environment. e.g. you can see collins shaving while the whole cabin is filled with objects floating in zero-gravity. Was he shaving in a C-9B Vomit Comit? Bit dangerous. Also a plane simulating Zero-G only has 25 seconds of Zero-G before you bounce off the canape.

Now if they really were in orbit this shoots several holes in the story, because unless they actually did a TLI and went to the moon, there is no other way for them to stay in orbit undetected (1) and there is no way to relay communications from the "hidden" CM (2).

This is an unsurmoutable obstacle.

I could still argue about the moonrocks that COULD have been faked, but for that to happen the rocks themselves would have had to go through a process to simulate millenia of lunar service exposure which -although it might be possible- is something that would be near impossible to achieve because it needed to be executed so that thousands of geologists from around the world would accept it as the real thing. Nope.

My theory above went up in smoke as I studied the orbital footage over the last few days.

To conclude - yes they went. They did not die of radiation in the VAB, CIS lunar space and on the Moon. Now what they saw over there is a different ballgame. And finally I do believe SOME of the images and footage was modified "smudged" to hide certain artifacts or items on or near the moon. There is probably a clear reason for this. There also might have been a film set where they did shoot some footage pre-mission, but that could have been a failsafe for the case something happened during the first mission (A11) and is unlikely to have been used in subsequent missions, unless there was a specific reason to show footage of areas which contained classified material in the background(s) in which case(s) they probably did need to replace some footage with pre-recorded samples.

Overall - It´s been a nice fight, but after nine years (give or take) I am back in the Apollo camp simply by elimination of all other options.

Reference thread here: Thread: Why do so many doubt the moon landing?

I don´t think I will dount Apollo again, even though I doubt some of the images and footage, but that´s besides the point.

Although I apologise to the surviving astronauts, I wish they would disclose what the hell happened up there which caused all the censorship.

There is something fishy about the Moon. abduct

Spain out.
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there is no way to relay communications from the "hidden" CM (2).


Could you elaborate...
They could have taped the weightless stuff weeks before, while in orbit...?
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there is no way to relay communications from the "hidden" CM (2).


Could you elaborate...
They could have taped the weightless stuff weeks before, while in orbit...?
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No. They were in orbit for only a short while after launch (1.5 orbits I believe for Apollo 11). The footage they took over there could not have been preshot unless they went up "in secret" beforehand which would imply a covert launch (1) and a strict script (2) because they were communicating live with Mission Control at all times.

The not being able to relay communications from the "hidden" CM implies that IF they stayed in low earth orbit they had to have had conversations that needed to be bounced of from several earth relay stations to send it back to the real CM on its way to the moon as to make it look it came from that CM and not the one containing the crew in the "hidden" CM.

Not possible.
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To conclude - yes they went. They did not die of radiation in the VAB, CIS lunar space and on the Moon. Now what they saw over there is a different ballgame. And finally I do believe SOME of the images and footage was modified "smudged" to hide certain artifacts or items on or near the moon. There is probably a clear reason for this. There also might have been a film set where they did shoot some footage pre-mission, but that could have been a failsafe for the case something happened during the first mission (A11) and is unlikely to have been used in subsequent missions, unless there was a specific reason to show footage of areas which contained classified material in the background(s) in which case(s) they probably did need to replace some footage with pre-recorded samples.

Overall - It´s been a nice fight, but after nine years (give or take) I am back in the Apollo camp simply by elimination of all other options.

Reference thread here: Thread: Why do so many doubt the moon landing?

I don´t think I will dount Apollo again, even though I doubt some of the images and footage, but that´s besides the point.

Although I apologise to the surviving astronauts, I wish they would disclose what the hell happened up there which caused all the censorship.

There is something fishy about the Moon. abduct

Spain out.
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I applaud your honesty. thank you
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AC from spain,

I've been monitoring that thread for a while now. I was impressed that you approached your original stance with such a scientific approach. You almost had me rooting for you at one point day before yesterday, despite my disagreeing with you.

Seeing you change your mind when the facts as you understood them is a testament to a scientific mind.

You were already gaining my respect in the first place, but this posting here just shot that through the roof.

Way to go man!
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Wish I tried to simulate the hoax before. Like nine years before when I became a skeptic.


Spain out.
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Well if you are first going to try and prove something is a fake/unfakeable you will have to use common sense and logic...which you seem to be sadly lacking...which will ultimately result in test failures every time...
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hf

Back to the moon anomalies itself I guess.

Structures! Aliens! UFOs! woohoo

It´s a giant hollow spaceship you know.

Really.
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Well if you are first going to try and prove something is a fake/unfakeable you will have to use common sense and logic...which you seem to be sadly lacking...which will ultimately result in test failures every time...
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Link?
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Well if you are first going to try and prove something is a fake/unfakeable you will have to use common sense and logic...which you seem to be sadly lacking...which will ultimately result in test failures every time...


Link?
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I'm sorry to tell ya, AC ... now you're going to find out why debunkers get so frustrated with bunkers.

Prepare yourself for a nearly unending flow of ad hominem attacks on your person, sir.
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I'm sorry to tell ya, AC ... now you're going to find out why debunkers get so frustrated with bunkers.

Prepare yourself for a nearly unending flow of ad hominem attacks on your person, sir.
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All they need to do is show me how it could be faked then lol.

I´m all ears but not holding my breath.

Really I don´t care if they shoot the messenger, there are serious people looking for serious answers, serious people acting silly and people just acting plain silly.

Only the first group is interesting, the rest is just entertainment.
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I appreciate the time and trouble you took to do this, and the integrity you show in following the evidence no matter where it takes you.

Still, for the benefit of those still on the fence, I still think you lowball the number of people it would take to do it:

- 3 flight controllers, not 1, since there were 3 shifts
- If the lunar surface video is pre-shot, then the capcom and many others are working from scripts. This means a couple hundred more people.
- Presumably all of the backup astronauts were in on it as well, since they had to be able to step in at any time (as with Apollo 13). This isn't a huge increase in numbers, though, as frequently the backups for an early mission were the primes later on.
- If the ASP is relaying its data to the Moon and back, you need at least two more tracking stations roughly evenly spaced around the world since the Moon will not always be visible from the ASP. You need engineers to build these and technicians to man them.
- I also think it would take more than a couple dozen engineers to produce a robotic version of the lunar module that could collect and return samples.
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- 3 flight controllers, not 1, since there were 3 shifts
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Ok.

- If the lunar surface video is pre-shot, then the capcom and many others are working from scripts. This means a couple hundred more people.
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I think most was live. Maybe some footage was altered. I keep thinking that if there really was a spectacular event as it is rumoured how they would have prevented this from reaching amateur ears... I know the video feed needed to be converted before it went out so that could have been filtered, but not the audio. Some footage may have been altered, same goes for images. I´d like to think they really found evidence of extraterrestial life on the moon and were not allowed to disclose any of it hence the tense press conference. The reactions of Armstrong I never understood. Must have had something to do with something they experienced which was immediately classified.

- Presumably all of the backup astronauts were in on it as well, since they had to be able to step in at any time (as with Apollo 13). This isn't a huge increase in numbers, though, as frequently the backups for an early mission were the primes later on.
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Didn´t think of that. I had 30 who were destined for the moon less the unfortunate Apollo 1 crew.

- If the ASP is relaying its data to the Moon and back, you need at least two more tracking stations roughly evenly spaced around the world since the Moon will not always be visible from the ASP. You need engineers to build these and technicians to man them.
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ASP control would needed to be close to MC and would have needed to use the same relays somehow. If not they would most likely have had to use relays on either existing military installations where staff with the right clearances manned the relay stations at the time or they would have had to construct these from scratch. I think military. Either existing or temp installations on military bases.

- I also think it would take more than a couple dozen engineers to produce a robotic version of the lunar module that could collect and return samples.
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Fair enough, unless they found a fool proof way to fake 4 tons of samples.
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Wish I tried to simulate the hoax before. Like nine years before when I became a skeptic.

I started a few days back with the idea to prove once and for all that NASA could have faked the moonlandings, and was determined to show how they must have done it.

Here is my try:

The scenario:

All moon film footage and pictures made by astronauts on the Moon is preshot in a secret location which I call ASP control. (ASP=Apollo Simulation Project). There is a covert hardline communications link between mission control and ASP control at all times. The command module contains a live audio/video feed which is directed at ASP control ONLY on a band which is outside the regular communications range. Only ASP can receive this stream. The command module has a form of auto pilot mechanism which can be controlled by ASP. The lunar module contains several robotics with mounted cameras for mission tasks. Lets call these LR´s (Lunar Robots).

Before launch, the moment the hatch closes the astronauts are no longer in the CM. They are quickly provided with technician caps and overalls and the suits are hidden in large shoulder bags. They leave the platform with the final group of support technicians and are quickly moved to the secure ASP location, where communications is already set up. Any traffic from and to the CM is already being relayed using the CM relay station.

After launch all comms are relayed from ASP control to mission control via the CM. All footage from the inside of the CM including stage separation is shot by robotics. Once in orbit all voice comms are sent and received via the CM relay. ASP control gets input on mission parameters and communications via the hardlink and acts accordingly. At the right time all pre-recorded orbital astronaut footage is sent to the CM and relayed back to mission control.

TLI-burn is initiated and the unmanned CM is on its way to the Moon. During the trip to the moon and once there the same processes keep the communications between mission control and ASP control via CM fluid.

At the designated time the LM is deployed, fake footage sent where needed, and the LM is landed. All footage is sent from ASP control for the entire mission on the moon. In reality the LM is landed, and the robotics are deployed for various tasks, like placing artifacts and collecting samples. Once the mission time on the moon has ended, the top part of the LM is launched and it docks with the CM.

The samples taken are placed in the CM by the robotics and the LM is ditched.

The CM returns to earth. At the right time the crew is placed on board a second CM which is in the cargo hold of a C-5A. This second CM holds a batch of fake moon samples, Hasselblad cameras with still photos previously shot and the reels of film recorded at ASP studio. Comms continue and are relayed still. The real CM enters atmosphere. Comms blackout. After re-entry the second CM is released from the C-130 cargohold and deploys its parachutes. Onboard cameras rolling. At this time FALSE positional data on the first CM is passed by ASP control - there is a 50 mile deviation in the location of the real CM and the second CM. All relayed comms end. Any comms after the blackout come from the second CM. The Hornet rescue team is near the location of the second CM containing the crew after the crew announce their position, an ASP team most likely using a submarine is sent to recover the original CM which landed 50 miles further. The original CM is salvaged and the lunar samples are collected from the original CM. The splashdown of the second CM is recorded and the crew is rescued.

At a later time the real moon samples are switched with the fake ones at NASA, most likely when they are put into storage.

End of mission.

So what would be needed to stage this?

Several movie sets needed to be built in a secret location. These sets would need to look as real as possible and would need superiour crane and lighting technologies. Reels and reels of footage needed to be taken on these sets, including still photography using the actual Hasselblad cameras.

Sophisticated relay of communications. Communication Relay stations on both the CM and LM acting as actual transmitters. Hardlink from mission control to ASP control. Directional transmitter from ASP control aimed at the CM/LM.

Insiders. A lot but not as much as you may expect.

- All the Apollo astronauts who were scheduled for moon missions. (27)
- The NASA flight director (1) as the only individual in Mission Control.
- Stage builders/Set builders/Film crew - Photographers (20 max)
- Technicians and technical engineers for all purposes like set generation but especially comms and robotics (30 max)
- Military intelligence + sub (30/40) to ensure the CM swap in the Pacific is succesful
- C-5A Pilots (2) unless two of the other Apollo astronauts flew the C-5A themselves
- Politicians (2) most likely the POTUS and the VP
- Intelligence (1) Director of the CIA most likely

That´s around 125 individuals who needed to know the whole story.

A certain type of non-disclosure agreement would have been in place. The kind that gets your family killed upon disclosure. Technicians and film crew would have been harvested from the CIA first, then from NASA and finally the commercial sector.

Communications would have to be well orchestrated and directed. ASP would need remote control to certain functions in the CM in case anything really went wrong (like the Apollo 12 lightning strike). A diversional operation would be needed to ensure credibility. This operation pertains to the UFO sightings and claims of alien structures supposidly seen by Apollo crews. It perfectly draws the attention away from the actual faked operation.

As to why it was done? Radiation. Why continue? Follow the program through.

End of speculation.


Now ok, creative as this is, there is the slight issue of the live video taken while Apollo was in orbit (several missions). This footage clearly shows that they are in a weightless environment, no wires, no strings, they are in a weightless environment. e.g. you can see collins shaving while the whole cabin is filled with objects floating in zero-gravity. Was he shaving in a C-9B Vomit Comit? Bit dangerous. Also a plane simulating Zero-G only has 25 seconds of Zero-G before you bounce off the canape.

Now if they really were in orbit this shoots several holes in the story, because unless they actually did a TLI and went to the moon, there is no other way for them to stay in orbit undetected (1) and there is no way to relay communications from the "hidden" CM (2).

This is an unsurmoutable obstacle.

I could still argue about the moonrocks that COULD have been faked, but for that to happen the rocks themselves would have had to go through a process to simulate millenia of lunar service exposure which -although it might be possible- is something that would be near impossible to achieve because it needed to be executed so that thousands of geologists from around the world would accept it as the real thing. Nope.

My theory above went up in smoke as I studied the orbital footage over the last few days.

To conclude - yes they went. They did not die of radiation in the VAB, CIS lunar space and on the Moon. Now what they saw over there is a different ballgame. And finally I do believe SOME of the images and footage was modified "smudged" to hide certain artifacts or items on or near the moon. There is probably a clear reason for this. There also might have been a film set where they did shoot some footage pre-mission, but that could have been a failsafe for the case something happened during the first mission (A11) and is unlikely to have been used in subsequent missions, unless there was a specific reason to show footage of areas which contained classified material in the background(s) in which case(s) they probably did need to replace some footage with pre-recorded samples.

Overall - It´s been a nice fight, but after nine years (give or take) I am back in the Apollo camp simply by elimination of all other options.

Reference thread here: Thread: Why do so many doubt the moon landing?

I don´t think I will dount Apollo again, even though I doubt some of the images and footage, but that´s besides the point.

Although I apologise to the surviving astronauts, I wish they would disclose what the hell happened up there which caused all the censorship.

There is something fishy about the Moon. abduct

Spain out.
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About time you started facing reality! Let me guess, you weren't around in 1969.
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More proof that we DID go to the moon: a guy managed to intercept Apollo transmissions from his home ham radio set:

[link to revelationawaitsanappointedtime.blogspot.com]

"Skeptics who doubt that Baysinger really managed to pick up these signals with such relatively primitive equipment should take note that his recordings feature Aldrin and Armstrong's voices uninterrupted by the cross-talk from the PAO and others, as heard on all terrestrial recording sources of the same dialogue."
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If they were unfakeable, that means there are frogs on the moon.


At 1'14'', just under the waving flag.
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4 tons is a lot of rock.
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Fuckwit!!!! I suppose you have all the technology that tptb have???

Wanka!

I 1star this thread for absolute retarded bullshit that you must ahve spent your entire spare time on. FOOL!
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About time you started facing reality! Let me guess, you weren't around in 1969.
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I was. But too young for Woodstock.
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If they were unfakeable, that means there are frogs on the moon.


At 1'14'', just under the waving flag.
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Don´t misunderstand.

Faked footage does not equal faked mission.

The mission could not be faked.

And the orbital footage is genuine and that´s the problem.
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If they were unfakeable, that means there are frogs on the moon.


At 1'14'', just under the waving flag.
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It isn't a frog, it is a reflection. You see another one form 0:56 to 0:59 and it is right in front of the astronaut.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
Fuckwit!!!! I suppose you have all the technology that tptb have???

Wanka!

I 1star this thread for absolute retarded bullshit that you must ahve spent your entire spare time on. FOOL!
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And you point is?

They had some bizarre alien technology which allowed them to fake the missions? A Roswell special cloning device so they could be at two or more places at the same time?

Interesting.

Thanks for the star. hf
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
More proof that we DID go to the moon: a guy managed to intercept Apollo transmissions from his home ham radio set:

[link to revelationawaitsanappointedtime.blogspot.com]

"Skeptics who doubt that Baysinger really managed to pick up these signals with such relatively primitive equipment should take note that his recordings feature Aldrin and Armstrong's voices uninterrupted by the cross-talk from the PAO and others, as heard on all terrestrial recording sources of the same dialogue."
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Well the signal itself could have been relayed from earth so in itself does not count as proof. But fair enough. Seeing that they did go (by elimination) the signal was real and really intercepted.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
If they were unfakeable, that means there are frogs on the moon.


At 1'14'', just under the waving flag.


Don´t misunderstand.

Faked footage does not equal faked mission.

The mission could not be faked.

And the orbital footage is genuine and that´s the problem.
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So, you were 5 and I was 21. Started out for woodstock in my 69 Camaro convertable.

NJ Tpk. and Parkway were backed up to the NY Thruway and then to Woodstock.

got off at Exit 5 and went home.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
If they were unfakeable, that means there are frogs on the moon.


At 1'14'', just under the waving flag.



It isn't a frog, it is a reflection. You see another one form 0:56 to 0:59 and it is right in front of the astronaut.
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A reflection that jumps like a frog.
Only on the moon landing footage.

I guess the waving flag was a reflection as well.

Or how about the same landscape / background on various locations?

There is so much more that doesn't make sense.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
there is no way to relay communications from the "hidden" CM (2).


Could you elaborate...
They could have taped the weightless stuff weeks before, while in orbit...?

No. They were in orbit for only a short while after launch

Not possible.
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Did you see, 'a funny thing happened on the way to the moon'. I don't know if it is secret, but I thought they spend hours in orbit before eventually going to the moon. I think they could have pretaped a lot just send a ballistic missile to the moon witch was are radio transceiver sending the supposed live feed.
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NJ Tpk. and Parkway were backed up to the NY Thruway and then to Woodstock.

got off at Exit 5 and went home.
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Well dayum.

I would have parked somewhere and walked back.

But then again, who knew it would turn out this way.
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Did you see, 'a funny thing happened on the way to the moon'. I don't know if it is secret, but I thought they spend hours in orbit before eventually going to the moon. I think they could have pretaped a lot just send a ballistic missile to the moon witch was are radio transceiver sending the supposed live feed.
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Two hours and fifty minutes.

Well how would you send a ballistic missle to the moon unnoticed? Something did a TLI burn and went into lunar orbit. Something detached and landed. Something docked again with something. This was observed from Earth.

Could that have been faked? Sure. But where was the crew? A second CM? Once you go there it falls apart.

What was it if not a CM that went out of orbit? Where did it come from? Can ballistic missiles be launched unnoticed? I think China and the Russians would have gone apeshit over that one.

Nice idea but really not feasable I think.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
A reflection that jumps like a frog.
Only on the moon landing footage.

I guess the waving flag was a reflection as well.

Or how about the same landscape / background on various locations?

There is so much more that doesn't make sense.
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Look, even if ALL the footage was faked this doesn´t mean they did not go to the moon. That´s the point I am trying to make.

If you think they didn´t go please explain how they did they actual missions without resorting to off world technology.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
Did you see, 'a funny thing happened on the way to the moon'. I don't know if it is secret, but I thought they spend hours in orbit before eventually going to the moon. I think they could have pretaped a lot just send a ballistic missile to the moon witch was are radio transceiver sending the supposed live feed.
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BTW I did see "A funny thing..." but cannot recall any mention of a missile. I may need to see it again if so.
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A reflection that jumps like a frog.
Only on the moon landing footage.

I guess the waving flag was a reflection as well.

Or how about the same landscape / background on various locations?

There is so much more that doesn't make sense.


Look, even if ALL the footage was faked this doesn´t mean they did not go to the moon. That´s the point I am trying to make.

If you think they didn´t go please explain how they did they actual missions without resorting to off world technology.
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I don't understand your last sentence, but I agree to some extend with you. There are 2 space programs. One for the masses and the real one.

You should watch Apollo Zero, especially the final part is worth your time. Astronomers confronted with their lies, going berserk.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
Did you see, 'a funny thing happened on the way to the moon'. I don't know if it is secret, but I thought they spend hours in orbit before eventually going to the moon. I think they could have pretaped a lot just send a ballistic missile to the moon witch was are radio transceiver sending the supposed live feed.


BTW I did see "A funny thing..." but cannot recall any mention of a missile. I may need to see it again if so.
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There was no missile, but they were filming a round earth shot through a small round window, trying to make it look like earth was far away. But the thing I mention here is that I see them in orbit there and always assumed they would have been in orbit months for practicing.
Then maybe on 'launch date' they launch a unmanned vehicle transmitting pretaped recordings. I'm not sure if it could be seen from earth, the actual landing on the moon, can it?

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