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I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.

 
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
It should be clear. Same background, different location. You can't have the same background on different location. Science or no science.

Are you patriotic? Honest answer, please.



You're trying to engage in ad hominem attacks. Stick to the subject.

I still don't know what you are talking about. What backgrounds, what locations. I can't read your mind. Be specific.
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This is your broken record shill defence. Ad hominem "attack" my ass,
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
You're not nearly at the "there is no other option than we went stage. Your information is not at all complete. Heres where you went wrong ... Humans could not survive the VAB. We never went to the moon.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
I don't think the UN faked it.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
To much radiation. Not enough fuel. Period.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
You're not nearly at the "there is no other option than we went stage. Your information is not at all complete. Heres where you went wrong ... Humans could not survive the VAB. We never went to the moon.
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Please tell me then how you think they faked the missions.

Saying they faked it is fine, but without the method it means nothing. A conspiracy theory without a solid alternate version of the truth is no conspiracy theory at all.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
You're not nearly at the "there is no other option than we went stage. Your information is not at all complete. Heres where you went wrong ... Humans could not survive the VAB. We never went to the moon.
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you got that right...
what they did instead is launch an attack on earth.
That is what you see above your head every day....
it is called "geoengineering'...now...
just like Agent Orange was a harmless substance used to gain better visibility....
This is to soften us up for the big kill when they unleash the chinese on us and depopulate Europe and America....
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
To conclude - yes they went. They did not die of radiation in the VAB, CIS lunar space and on the Moon. Now what they saw over there is a different ballgame. And finally I do believe SOME of the images and footage was modified "smudged" to hide certain artifacts or items on or near the moon. There is probably a clear reason for this. There also might have been a film set where they did shoot some footage pre-mission, but that could have been a failsafe for the case something happened during the first mission (A11) and is unlikely to have been used in subsequent missions, unless there was a specific reason to show footage of areas which contained classified material in the background(s) in which case(s) they probably did need to replace some footage with pre-recorded samples.

Overall - It´s been a nice fight, but after nine years (give or take) I am back in the Apollo camp simply by elimination of all other options.

Reference thread here: Thread: Why do so many doubt the moon landing?

I don´t think I will dount Apollo again, even though I doubt some of the images and footage, but that´s besides the point.

Although I apologise to the surviving astronauts, I wish they would disclose what the hell happened up there which caused all the censorship.

There is something fishy about the Moon. abduct

Spain out.



I applaud your honesty. thank you
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Absolutely. I only wish other HB's were as honet with themselves and others as you have been. When you really look at the evidence, the data and the documentation, there is simply no possibly way that it could have been faked. Those who still think it could have been simply have not studied the subject well enough and thought about what would have had to have heppened to have it been faked.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
There was no missile, but they were filming a round earth shot through a small round window, trying to make it look like earth was far away. But the thing I mention here is that I see them in orbit there and always assumed they would have been in orbit months for practicing.
Then maybe on 'launch date' they launch a unmanned vehicle transmitting pretaped recordings. I'm not sure if it could be seen from earth, the actual landing on the moon, can it?


The three of them never went into orbit together for practice afaik.

I think you are right that the actual landing could not be seen on earth. Not "live" at least. Just audio was live.
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Wrong. The radioastronomers at Jodrell Bank in England were monitoring the doppler shift of the signal itself with a VERY directional dish antenna aimed at that location on the moon. They could tell the descent speed and noted when Armstrong took over from the flight computer. In other words, they were not monitoring a fixed transmitter in orbit or on the moon itself. They were monitoring a moving signal source that mimicked in every way what was going on at the time...the slow down as Armstrong took the control, the hovering and finally the landing. Either they had a craft with a transmitter in sync with what was supposed to be happening, or it really did happen.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
It should be clear. Same background, different location. You can't have the same background on different location. Science or no science.

Are you patriotic? Honest answer, please.



You're trying to engage in ad hominem attacks. Stick to the subject.

I still don't know what you are talking about. What backgrounds, what locations. I can't read your mind. Be specific.



You're not answering my question about patriotism. Trust me, I know the answer and I also know why you're avoiding it. Patriotism makes people blind.

Backgrounds on the moon, different places, but the same background. It should be clear.
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When the background is miles away, it looks the same from different locations seperated by only a few hundred yards. Haven't you ever seen mountains in the background as you're driving?
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
So how exactly did they survive the radiation between the Earth and the Moon?


The shielding must have been sufficient.



Ah. Well, works for me. I'm still amazed we went to the moon without a single microprocessor on board. Of course, the Astronauts were some smart cats but still. That was some stone age tech they used.

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Are you not aware of the robotic missions to the moon, Mars and Venus that occured years before Apollo?

On a side note, I constantly wonder why we haven't sent a rover to the moon. It would be far cheaper than sending another to Mars. We've barely scratched the surface of the moon, no pun intended. We could even explore the dark side of the moon with proper relays and back up battery power.
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Rovers HAVE been to the moon. The Russians sent their robotic Lunakhod series of rovers between 1969 and 1977.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Again, you really need to read up on this stuff before making claims.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
At 1'14'', just under the waving flag.
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That is so clearly a mirrored reflection of the astronaut himself in the camera's optics that it's not even funny. Thanks for that link, it shows the whole reflection a lot clearer than the video someone else tried to post of the same thing the other day.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
To much radiation.
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Wrong, the predicted radiation dose for their spacecraft and their trajectory was far below "too much":
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
Not enough fuel.
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Hilariously wrong, they had more than enough fuel and anyone can test it for themselves:
[link to nassp.sourceforge.net]

Last Edited by Dr. Astro on 10/31/2010 12:41 PM
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
There is wind and frogs on the moon and the landscape is always the same, whereever you go. If that makes sense to you and makes you feel good, all the best my friend.


So basically you are saying because they staged some footage and some images they did not go to the moon?

It proves that they staged some footage and images.

And your frog is ghosting, nothing more.

If you wish to see a picture that was staged look into this visor: [link to www.hq.nasa.gov]

Astronaut? Where is his camera? Where is his backpack? Happy now?
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I'm sorry, but I just don't see what you're talking about. If you zoom in to 400%, you can see the equipment (camera) on his front and he is facing the subject, so his backpack is obviously in the opposite direction.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
If they were unfakeable, that means there are frogs on the moon.


At 1'14'', just under the waving flag.
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That is not a frog it's a reflection. Look closely and you will see a mirror image of the astronautic. When he jumps the "frog" jumps at the same time.

Also? Why would the frog be white?
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To much radiation. Not enough fuel. Period.
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Completely wrong on both accounts. And, of course, no evidence for either claim.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
If they were unfakeable, that means there are frogs on the moon.


At 1'14'', just under the waving flag.
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Look at 1:40 in the video. Was that a "frog" too? Obviously not.

Frog theory officially debunked.
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So how exactly did they survive the radiation between the Earth and the Moon?


The shielding must have been sufficient.



Ah. Well, works for me. I'm still amazed we went to the moon without a single microprocessor on board. Of course, the Astronauts were some smart cats but still. That was some stone age tech they used.

On a side note, I constantly wonder why we haven't sent a rover to the moon. It would be far cheaper than sending another to Mars. We've barely scratched the surface of the moon, no pun intended. We could even explore the dark side of the moon with proper relays and back up battery power.
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YOU think there is a dark side of the moon?

No, not really.
"Everybody lies."
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So how exactly did they survive the radiation between the Earth and the Moon?
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This has been covered at least 100 times in the last week. Please read up.


That's one of the many unanswered questions. The Van Allen belt.
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Again, what exactly hasn't been covereed ad nauseum? Just what part of Dr. Van Allen himself stating that it is ridiculous to think that Apollo couldn't have gone through the VAB that you don't understand?

The "sun" doesn't look like it should look either.

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Just how "should" it look?



Oh and Photoshop existed in 1969.
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I'm sure that would be a big surprise to Adobe!
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
There is wind and frogs on the moon and the landscape is always the same, whereever you go. If that makes sense to you and makes you feel good, all the best my friend.


So basically you are saying because they staged some footage and some images they did not go to the moon?

It proves that they staged some footage and images.

And your frog is ghosting, nothing more.

If you wish to see a picture that was staged look into this visor: [link to www.hq.nasa.gov]

Astronaut? Where is his camera? Where is his backpack? Happy now?


I'm sorry, but I just don't see what you're talking about. If you zoom in to 400%, you can see the equipment (camera) on his front and he is facing the subject, so his backpack is obviously in the opposite direction.
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To me it looks like a figure standing there with his legs a little apart, left leg a little higher on the hill, wearing dark pants, a dark shirt, and a white body warmer with a hood. The camera - as you call it - is pointed as expected, but where is the backpack? It should be sticking out like a big square behind him. Look at other pictures taken. Backpacks stick out.

You must admit it is an interesting picture.

Doesn´t matter.
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If you look at the famous buzz aldrin picture you notice that Armstrong looks much more "bloated" and square than this slim figure.
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Oh and Photoshop existed in 1969.

I'm sure that would be a big surprise to Adobe!
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Bill Gates didn´t even have pubic hair back in 1969 and Windows were those things you wiped with a cloth.
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Oh and Photoshop existed in 1969.

I'm sure that would be a big surprise to Adobe!


Bill Gates didn´t even have pubic hair back in 1969 and Windows were those things you wiped with a cloth.
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Spain, I guess you're finally coming around to realizing what a group of whacko's the HB's are. This claim is pretty typical.

BTW, congrats on your intellectual honesty.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
It should be clear. Same background, different location. You can't have the same background on different location. Science or no science.

Are you patriotic? Honest answer, please.



You're trying to engage in ad hominem attacks. Stick to the subject.

I still don't know what you are talking about. What backgrounds, what locations. I can't read your mind. Be specific.



You're not answering my question about patriotism. Trust me, I know the answer and I also know why you're avoiding it. Patriotism makes people blind.

Backgrounds on the moon, different places, but the same background. It should be clear.



When the background is miles away, it looks the same from different locations seperated by only a few hundred yards. Haven't you ever seen mountains in the background as you're driving?
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So when you're in the Sahara (a much better example than mountains), is the background the same when you move miles away?

Patriotism is the reason why you keep on defending the lie.
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So when you're in the Sahara (a much better example than mountains), is the background the same when you move miles away?
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Yes. It's simple geometry. When the distant view is of an object miles away and you move a few hundred yards (the most any Apollo mission moved on the moon except for those with the rover), the distant object looks almost the same. It's called perspective. Look it up.


Patriotism is the reason why you keep on defending the lie.
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No. Just simple facts. But you wouldn't know anything about that, would you?
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You fellas crack me up....Astro the most....Hey astro take a break from your post here pushing the moon lie and do some work investigating 911. Perhaps one day you will find your humanity instead of pushing nasa lies.
Heres another point for actual citizens out there. This site fer sure is monitored right? Of course it is...look at the content here. Now of course some attention is given to "sway" any visitors in the Governments chosen direction. Who would be doing that?
waiting for the day we find a way to put a human safely thru the VAB. In BOTH directions.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
What was the point of gathering tons of "moon" rocks? What did we learn? Where are those pesky "moon" rocks? Also who gets all this top secret MILITARY Nasa info? 40 years ago there were some men who went to the moon? And THIS year we found traces of water? The WHOLE thing stinks to high heaven. What is the simple answer WITH the most evidence? We faked it. Now what would happen if Gov.=Nasa=Military started being HONEST about it......??? I give you Astronut guardian of lies.
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What was the point of gathering tons of "moon" rocks?
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Discovery.

What did we learn?
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Lots.

Where are those pesky "moon" rocks?
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You can get some yourself.

[link to curator.jsc.nasa.gov]
[link to curator.jsc.nasa.gov]

Also who gets all this top secret MILITARY Nasa info?
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What top secret MILITARY (so much more effective when you capitalize!) info?
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All I will say is enjoy the link. ;)
[link to www.youtube.com]
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What was the point of gathering tons of "moon" rocks? What did we learn?
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I'm sure that basic scientific research is well beyond your grade level, but that was why. How the moon formed has always been a question...the makeup of the samples formed the basis of the currently held theory.

Where are those pesky "moon" rocks?
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Mostly at the Lunar Sample Processing Facility in Houston, although part are out on loan to various universities.

[link to curator.jsc.nasa.gov]

[link to jane.whiteoaks.com]

[link to www.lpi.usra.edu]


Also who gets all this top secret MILITARY Nasa info? 40 years ago there were some men who went to the moon? And THIS year we found traces of water?
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By far the most water has been found as ice in permanently shaded craters at the poles. Apollo never landed anywhere near the poles.


The WHOLE thing stinks to high heaven.
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Only to someone hopelessly ignorant in basic science.

What is the simple answer WITH the most evidence? We faked it.
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Then you should have no problem telling how it could have been done. Be sure to include details in your answer.
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All I will say is enjoy the link. ;)
[link to www.youtube.com]
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I did. I watched (almost) everything he made and he has some interesting points to make. The thing is most of what he did he forgot some crucial information like calculation radiation without taking existing shielding into account.

I am grateful though, it helped me come to my conclusions I made in my original post - it could not have been faked and hence was real. Footage and imagery may have been faked for logistical reasons, but by elimination of all other options they must have gone to the moon.

Unless someone can explain to me in detail how they solved the tracking issues in a faked scenario I will stand by that.
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