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I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.

 
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Then you should have no problem telling how it could have been done. Be sure to include details in your answer.
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I was hoping for a lot more input to that end as well. 1dunno1

Wishful thinking. <chirp> <chirp>

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Then you should have no problem telling how it could have been done. Be sure to include details in your answer.


I was hoping for a lot more input to that end as well. 1dunno1

Wishful thinking. <chirp> <chirp>
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You first....Prove your dad f'ed your mom? Or we can just look down the road a bit and point to the miserable truth...you.

Typical shill....
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You first....Prove your dad f'ed your mom? Or we can just look down the road a bit and point to the miserable truth...you.

Typical shill....
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You haven´t read a word I wrote the last past weeks right? You did not even bother to read initial post in this thread (which I started) right?

You prefer not to think - but instead keep ranting and raving.

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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
We never put a man on the moon.
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Footage and imagery may have been faked for logistical reasons, but by elimination of all other options they must have gone to the moon.

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I appreciate where you've come with your journey. I only wish others were as honest as you. However, as an astrophotographer and with a 30+ year career in television and video engineering, I have never seen any picture that I thought was "faked". If you could point out a few and why you think that, perhaps we could debate that, too.
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We never put a man on the moon.
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And your evidence would be?
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You first....Prove your dad f'ed your mom? Or we can just look down the road a bit and point to the miserable truth...you.

Typical shill....


You haven´t read a word I wrote the last past weeks right? You did not even bother to read initial post in this thread (which I started) right?

You prefer not to think - but instead keep ranting and raving.

crazyjak

Let me know if you wish to discuss the Apollo hoax theory in a more serious manner and I will be happy to discuss it further with you.
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Spain, this is unfortunately the mentality and about the limit of discussion you'll get from most of your former HB peers. Welcome to the club!
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What is the simple answer WITH the most evidence? We faked it.

Then you should have no problem telling how it could have been done. Be sure to include details in your answer.



Why are you asking people on GLP about how they faked the TV footage?

You need to be asking Hollywood. They will know for sure.

Google some email addresses and phone numbers and start from there.

The special effects in 1969 were way better than what they actually showed in their woeful film footage so as to easily fake it.

[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]

Does this look real to you? It sure does to me. But then what is real? We might not be on a planet for all we know as everything is just an interpretation of your mind.


Does anyone on GLP know how Kubrik faked his film (without reading up on it on the internet of course)?

I doubt it very much. Leave the fakery to Hollywood. They are the masters of deception.
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What is the simple answer WITH the most evidence? We faked it.

Then you should have no problem telling how it could have been done. Be sure to include details in your answer.



Why are you asking people on GLP about how they faked the TV footage?

You need to be asking Hollywood. They will know for sure.

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Do you think the TV footage is the extent of the mission that would have had to have been "faked"? Have you been following the threads the last couple of days?
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Does anyone on GLP know how Kubrik faked his film (without reading up on it on the internet of course)?

I doubt it very much. Leave the fakery to Hollywood. They are the masters of deception.
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Kubrick certainly wasn't. His "masterpiece", "2001" is full of inconsistancies and outright errors. Is THIS who you claim make the so-called Apollo faked movie that has fooled experts around the world for 40 years? Really?

[link to www.visual-memory.co.uk]

[link to www.antiquetrader.com]

[link to www.clavius.org]

It's up to individual preference whether to believe the effects in 2001 were credible and accurate. We don't believe they were actually created in outer space. Here's where the cat gets let out of the bag:

There are too many goofs. In several scenes we can see evidence that this is a manufactured film. We can see the edges of scenery panels, fly wires, reflections of equipment, rear projections, etc. These imperfections appear in every feature film despite efforts from filmmakers. Kubrick had several months and a large budget to orchestrate what would eventually be only two and a half hours of final product, and there were still errors. The Apollo program produced ten times that much footage with no editing seams and with no obvious mistakes.

The astronomy is wrong. The views from earth to the moon, and of the earth from the lunar surface don't match. For example, the earth is high in the lunar sky as seen from Clavius; it should be low on the horizon. The phase of the earth changes radically between scenes.

The photography is wrong. As in every space movie, we see a moving starfield in all the space scenes in 2001, along with sunlit objects. You cannot photograph both with the same camera settings. And even if you had a magical camera that could do it, the starfield shouldn't move. The cinematic reason for the moving starfield is to provide a background against which the motion of the foreground can be reckoned; filmmakers acknowledge it doesn't really happen that way, but it needs to happen in a movie.
The propulsion is wrong. As Dr. Floyd's lunar transport lands, the dust billows as it would in an atmosphere, because it was filmed in an atmosphere. The dust would displace in a vacuum, but it would tend to form a flat sheet and would disperse quickly. When Dave Bowman blows the emergency hatch on the pod in order to re-enter the airlock, the pod stays right there. It should have been propelled away from the ship by the force of the escaping air.

The zero-gravity scenes are wrong. As Dr. Floyd ascends to orbit he sips through a straw, and the fluid level drops back down to the container when he lets go. Sure, it could be a vacuum effect, but it's not the way drinking happens currently in zero gravity. In several scenes you can see supposedly weightless people moving as if there were gravity -- "grip soles" notwithstanding:
The Pan-Am captain hunches over Dr. Floyd's seat as a man in normal gravity would have done in order to rest his body weight on the seat back. Such a "hunker" is intuitive in gravity, but uncomfortable and unnatural in weightlessness.
Dr. Floyd's tray rises up from his lap -- presumably because Dr. Floyd has forgotten to secure it. What made it spontaneously start floating upward? Why did it sway from side to side? And why did it stop floating upward for no visible reason a split-second before Dr. Floyd grabs it? Newton screams "fraud!" at this sort of cinematic license.
The low-gravity scenes are wrong. The space station floor curves upward correctly to indicate the inside of a torus that spins to provide artificial gravity. But as the characters move about the scene they remain vertical with respect to the frame. They should instead tilt perpendicular to the angle of the floor where they are standing. There are numerous scenes that supposedly take place on the lunar surface, but no evidence of lesser gravity can be seen. The characters move as they would have on earth.

The lunar landscape is wrong. Kubrick shows us sharp-pointed mountains even though high-definition close-range photographs from Lunar Orbiter 2 (1966) showed the rounded mountains familiar in Apollo photographs.
Again conspiracists claim to be able to identify obscure and minute anomalies in Apollo photos and video, but they can't seem to do it with their own evidence. Nevertheless the important point is the conspiracist argument that NASA could do it because Kubrick could do it. As we've seen, Kubrick can't do it. He can't establish and maintain a truly credible "hoax" for two hours. Nor are the special effects convincing enough to fool observant people into actually thinking they represent space or lunar environments.
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So when you're in the Sahara (a much better example than mountains), is the background the same when you move miles away?


Yes. It's simple geometry. When the distant view is of an object miles away and you move a few hundred yards (the most any Apollo mission moved on the moon except for those with the rover), the distant object looks almost the same. It's called perspective. Look it up.



Patriotism is the reason why you keep on defending the lie.



No. Just simple facts. But you wouldn't know anything about that, would you?
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5 miles, not a few hundred yards.

Mr. Patriotic, maybe you can explain why the astronauts don't have a shadow on the faked pictures, or why you don't see the stars or why the sun looks so oddly different during the "moon landing" compared to other images from the sun in space.

Talk about facts to someone who is in love with his country...
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Mr. Patriotic, maybe you can explain why the astronauts don't have a shadow on the faked pictures, or why you don't see the stars or why the sun looks so oddly different during the "moon landing" compared to other images from the sun in space.

Talk about facts to someone who is in love with his country...
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Let's take the one that's been explained 10,000 times. Perhaps you missed it.

When a camera is adjusted for a proper exposure of the ground and reflective objects in full sunlight, stars will be impossible to register. You can try this for yourself if you have a caemra that can be adjusted for shutter speed and aperture. Adjust it for a proper exposure in broad daylight of a white or silver object such as was being shot on the moon with the white suits and the reflective LM. Then, without changing the shutter speed or aperture, take the camera out at night and try to capture the stars with it. You won't be able to. The dynamic range of bright fully sunlit objects and stars is WAY too much for film. If you adjusted the camera to capture stars, shutter speeds would be several seconds and not only would anything lit by the sun be completely blown out, the stars would be streaked since you can't hand hold a camera steady enough for more than a fraction of a second.

I'd be most happy to look at any images that you think are "faked". Please provide the links.
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5 miles, not a few hundred yards.

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In which mission do you think the astronauts travelled 5 miles from their landing spot?
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I appreciate where you've come with your journey. I only wish others were as honest as you. However, as an astrophotographer and with a 30+ year career in television and video engineering, I have never seen any picture that I thought was "faked". If you could point out a few and why you think that, perhaps we could debate that, too.
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Interesting...

Well first of all the images look "too perfect". I mean in a sense I would expect to see some fogging due to background radiation, cosmic rays, high energy particles, x-rays on the moon. afaik the Hasselblads were silver coated to reflect direct sunlight and have "a little extra shielding" in the film canisters. They left the Hasselblads on the moon and took the canisters with them back to earth. Unless the images were cleaned up I expected to see more fogging and horizon brightness due to radiation exposure. I do not see it in the 16mm footage taken either.

Off the top of my head I recall Imax shooting extended footage from several space shuttle missions and that the crew needed to protect the film by storing it surrounded by water containers and that the exposed film was swapped out asap to protect it from radiation fogging. The shuttle was under the belts.

Also wasn´t there a project that failed on Spacelab 2 because of fogging? Spacelab 2 was high up higher than the shuttles ofcourse.

My point being going through the belts (or skimming the VAB) twice, going through cisluner space there and back and being on the moon should have left radiation marks unless the canisters were correctly protected. I cannot find specifics as to how Hasselblad protected the film against that apart from generic statements that the film casing has "some extra shielding".

Details would be nice.

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5 miles, not a few hundred yards.



In which mission do you think the astronauts travelled 5 miles from their landing spot?
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The big one in July 1969. I'm not 100% certain about the 5 miles. Some sources talk about 5, others about 2.5 and most talk about "several miles", but not yards.
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Footage and imagery may have been faked for logistical reasons, but by elimination of all other options they must have gone to the moon.




I appreciate where you've come with your journey. I only wish others were as honest as you. However, as an astrophotographer and with a 30+ year career in television and video engineering, I have never seen any picture that I thought was "faked". If you could point out a few and why you think that, perhaps we could debate that, too.
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Your either blind or retarded.
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So fake. Sad but true.
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As fake as the title of this thread....and the beguining of waking up. Good job mexico.
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Footage and imagery may have been faked for logistical reasons, but by elimination of all other options they must have gone to the moon.




I appreciate where you've come with your journey. I only wish others were as honest as you. However, as an astrophotographer and with a 30+ year career in television and video engineering, I have never seen any picture that I thought was "faked". If you could point out a few and why you think that, perhaps we could debate that, too.

Your either blind or retarded.
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I think he's lying about his 30 year career as an astrophotographer.

Some people go really far when they defend the lies of the country they are in love with.
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As fake as the title of this thread....and the beguining of waking up. Good job mexico.
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You are reaching 1147489... I wish you would take my advice and think about the scenario instead of blurting out baseless claims all the time.

I have clearly explained why I no longer believe Apollo was a hoax. You claim they did not go but have not even started to explain how they pulled it off. I really do not care they faked footage or images, for all I know they did. But that is not the point. The point which you keep avoiding by using silly analogies is that if you come to the conclusion that they could not have faked it, then they went. It´s either one or the other, the options are mutually exclusive.

Who is the shill/retard/fuck (or any of the other fine words you are using) in this case? I think the unbiased viewer will have a pretty good idea.

Using sweeping one liners is a poor substitute for creative thinking.

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As fake as the title of this thread....and the beguining of waking up. Good job mexico.


You are reaching 1147489... I wish you would take my advice and think about the scenario instead of blurting out baseless claims all the time.

I have clearly explained why I no longer believe Apollo was a hoax. You claim they did not go but have not even started to explain how they pulled it off. I really do not care they faked footage or images, for all I know they did. But that is not the point. The point which you keep avoiding by using silly analogies is that if you come to the conclusion that they could not have faked it, then they went. It´s either one or the other, the options are mutually exclusive.

Who is the shill/retard/fuck (or any of the other fine words you are using) in this case? I think the unbiased viewer will have a pretty good idea.

Using sweeping one liners is a poor substitute for creative thinking.
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Wow. Just wow. Is this for real?

If they faked the images and footages, which is totally unimportant to you, could they have faked the whole thing?
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My point being going through the belts (or skimming the VAB) twice, going through cisluner space there and back and being on the moon should have left radiation marks unless the canisters were correctly protected. I cannot find specifics as to how Hasselblad protected the film against that apart from generic statements that the film casing has "some extra shielding".

Details would be nice.
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The speed (ASA) of the Apollo film was typically very slow, since light on the lunar surface is abundant! Here are some reference articles:

[link to sterileeye.com]

[link to history.nasa.gov]

This films listed are:

Kodak Panatomic-X fine-grained, 80 ASA

Kodak Ektachrome SO-68 and SO-121, typically 160 ASA

Even the strong X-ray machines in airports will not fog film slower than ASA 800.

Also, by the time of Apollo, film had already been used in several lunar orbiters with onboard film processing equipment and fogging was not found to be an issue.

The NASA Lunar Orbiter (5 flights)...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

and the Soviet Luna 3...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Your either blind or retarded.


I think he's lying about his 30 year career as an astrophotographer.

Some people go really far when they defend the lies of the country they are in love with.
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I didn't say that I had a 30 year career as an astrophotographer, now did I? I have a 30+ year career in television and video engineering. My astrophotography work can be seen in a number of books and on the web at

www.machunter.org/hapspics.html
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Yah this guy is to much. He pretends not to understand my analogy. I don't have to "prove" HOW they faked it. I look at the evidence of fakery and there you go.
He's just doing his BS job. I think thats plain to see...thanks Belgium.
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If they faked the images and footages, which is totally unimportant to you, could they have faked the whole thing?
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First, it's venever been shown that any images were faked. Secondly, please explain how they could have faked it. In detail, please.
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Your either blind or retarded.


I think he's lying about his 30 year career as an astrophotographer.

Some people go really far when they defend the lies of the country they are in love with.



I didn't say that I had a 30 year career as an astrophotographer, now did I? I have a 30+ year career in television and video engineering. My astrophotography work can be seen in a number of books and on the web at

www.machunter.org/hapspics.html
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With all due respect, but the website doesn't prove anything.

Are you patriotic, Mr. Photographer?
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I look at the evidence of fakery and there you go.
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Again, and I'm getting tired of asking this, WHAT EVIDENCE OF FAKERY? Be specific.
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Your either blind or retarded.


I think he's lying about his 30 year career as an astrophotographer.

Some people go really far when they defend the lies of the country they are in love with.



I didn't say that I had a 30 year career as an astrophotographer, now did I? I have a 30+ year career in television and video engineering. My astrophotography work can be seen in a number of books and on the web at

www.machunter.org/hapspics.html
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Your a well known shill here Subartic beef right?
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Your either blind or retarded.


I think he's lying about his 30 year career as an astrophotographer.

Some people go really far when they defend the lies of the country they are in love with.



I didn't say that I had a 30 year career as an astrophotographer, now did I? I have a 30+ year career in television and video engineering. My astrophotography work can be seen in a number of books and on the web at

www.machunter.org/hapspics.html


With all due respect, but the website doesn't prove anything.

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I know a thing or two about photography and have made a quite nice living from it. What are YOUR photographic critique credentials? Please be specific.
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If they faked the images and footages, which is totally unimportant to you, could they have faked the whole thing?


First, it's venever been shown that any images were faked. Secondly, please explain how they could have faked it. In detail, please.
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Ahh, I love it. Beat the other guy with questions that are impossible to answer.

That was a wise move.



Let's unite and sing as loud as you can:


Oh, say! can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming;
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there:
Oh, say! does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In fully glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh, long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution!
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Oh, thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust":
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

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