I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.

Radiation fool radiation. Why would we not go back in 40 plus years? Why when its the most logical place for a base and a telescope and manufacturing and research? Why not even a rover? Your asking us to prove something that is now SO APPERANT is like (as I said before) asking me to prove your father and mother f'ed. Don't need to BECAUSE your here.



You pontificate from obvious ignorance. Do you not realize that rovers DID go to the moon? And just what is the radiation level on the moon and in the VAB on the 30 degree inclination path that was traversed? Do you actually know, or are you just regurgitating something a kook web site told you?

And this is why we don't engage in rational discourse with shills like you. Your ONLY hope of swaying opinion is with your word games and distractionary he said she said. ALL of the evidence is here on these threads already. You seek to bury it with a semantic word war. Who claims to have accsess to military information? Nasa is military. But we have footage that was released and the hindsight we have now makes it CLEAR....we never put men on the moon.

Let me get this straight...YOU want ME to go find evidence for YOUR claim? Do I have that right?



I want YOU to type keywords on Google, SINCE YOU SEEM TO BE INTERESTED!

If they faked the images and footages, which is totally unimportant to you, could they have faked the whole thing?


No. See previous.

I can come up with various reasons as to why they would have staged footage and imagery. You too?


I can only make one conclusion if they faked the images and footages.......


You don't?

Let me get this straight...YOU want ME to go find evidence for YOUR claim? Do I have that right?



I want YOU to type keywords on Google, SINCE YOU SEEM TO BE INTERESTED!



You've shown that you have no supporting evidence for your claim. Therefore it is basless.

Case closed.

If they faked the images and footages, which is totally unimportant to you, could they have faked the whole thing?


No. See previous.

I can come up with various reasons as to why they would have staged footage and imagery. You too?


I can only make one conclusion if they faked the images and footages.......


You don't?


That NASA employs some of the finest DTP engineers?

Come on, you can make several conclusions.

What if there is something on the Moon the general public may not be told? There is evidence to support this by the testimony of USAF Sgt. Karl Wolf:



Why take a risk? What´s the best way to avoid risk and have 100% control over what reached the retinas of the general public?

What if something went wrong during broadcast?

What if a flare wiped clean all the film?

Be creative and not negative.

And why the anti-patriotism? What, are you not proud to be Belgian?

O dierbaar België
O heilig land der Vaad'ren
Onze ziel en ons hart zijn u gewijd.
Aanvaard ons kracht en het bloed van onze ad'ren,
Wees ons doel in arbeid en in strijd.
Bloei, o land, in eendracht niet te breken;
Wees immer u zelf en ongeknecht,
Het woord getrouw, dat g' onbevreesd moogt spreken:
Voor Vorst, voor Vrijheid en voor Recht.
Het woord getrouw, dat g' onbevreesd moogt spreken:
Voor Vorst, voor Vrijheid en voor Recht.
Voor Vorst, voor Vrijheid en voor Recht.
Voor Vorst, voor Vrijheid en voor Recht.

O Vaderland, o edel land der Belgen,
Zo machtig steeds door moed en werkzaamheid,
De wereld ziet verwonderd uwe telgen,
Aan 't hoofd van kunst, van handel, nijverheid.
De vrijheidszon giet licht op uwe wegen,
En onbevreesd staart gij de toekomst aan.
Gij mint uw Vorst, zijn liefde stroomt u tegen,
Zijn hand geleidt u op de gloriebaan.
Gij mint uw Vorst, zijn liefde stroomt u tegen,
Zijn hand geleidt u op de gloriebaan.
Zijn hand geleidt u op de gloriebaan.
Zijn hand geleidt u op de gloriebaan.

Juicht Belgen, juicht in brede vol' akkoorden
Van Haspengouw tot aan het Vlaamse strand,
Van Noord tot Zuid, langs Maas- en Scheldeboorden,
Juicht, Belgen juicht, door gans het Vaderland.
Een man'lijk volk moet man'lijk kunnen zingen,
Terwijl het hart naar eed'le fierheid streeft.
Nooit zal men ons van onze haard verdringen
Zolang een Belg, 't zij Waal of Vlaming leeft.
Nooit zal men ons van onze haard verdringen
Zolang een Belg, 't zij Waal of Vlaming leeft.
Zolang een Belg, 't zij Waal of Vlaming leeft.
Zolang een Belg, 't zij Waal of Vlaming leeft.

Andere versie (van de hand van Victor Ceulemans):
Juicht! Belgen, juicht! in vreugdevolle akkoorden
Van Haspengouw tot aan het Vlaamsche strand
Van Noord tot Zuid, langs Maas en Scheldeboorden,
Juicht, Belgen, juicht, door gansch het Vaderland!
Een manlijk volk moet manlijk durven zingen
Terwijl het hart van eedle fierheid beeft;

Nooit zal men ons een morzel gronds ontwringen,
Zoolang één Belg, 't zij Waal of Vlaming leeft.(bis)

Geen morzel gronds, geen enkel van de rechten
Waarvoor het bloed der vadren heeft gevloeid,
Zoolang een man, een vrouw, een kind kan vechten,
Zoolang een hart in Belgisch harte gloeit.
Geen slavenboei wordt ooit ons aangevijzeld,
Geen schandig juk van vreemde dwinglandij,
Of 't wordt op 't hoofd des dwingelangs verbrijzeld
Ons Belgenland blijft eeuwig, eeuwig vrij. (bis)

Zingt hooger nog en laat Europa 't hooren,
Hier heeft de Vorst, de Grondwet in de hand,
Voor God en volk den heil'gen eed gezworen
Dat hij slechts leeft voor 't dierbaar Vaderland.
Naast d'eersten Belg staan moedvol al de Belgen,
Vol eendrachtszin ten heldendood gereed,
Die m'één voor één en allen moet verdelgen
Eér iemand ooit ons Land het zijne ziet. (bis)

Et, juste en cas-ou tu est de Wallonie:

O Belgique, ô mère chérie,
A toi nos coeurs, à toi nos bras,
A toi notre sang, ô Patrie !
Nous le jurons tous, tu vivras !
Tu vivras toujours grande et belle
Et ton invincible unité
Aura pour devise immortelle :
le Roi, la Loi, la Liberté !
Aura pour devise immortelle :
le Roi, la Loi, la Liberté !
le Roi, la Loi, la Liberté !
le Roi, la Loi, la Liberté !

Après des siècles, des siècles d'esclavage,
Le belge sortant du tombeau
A reconquis par son courage
Son nom ses droits et son drapeau.
Et ta main souveraine et fière,
Peuple désormais indompté,
Grava sur ta vieille banière :
"Le Roi, la Loi, la Liberté"
"Le Roi, la Loi, la Liberté"
"Le Roi, la Loi, la Liberté"

Marche de ton pas énergique,
Marche de progrès en progrès!
Dieu qui protège la Belgique
Souris à tes mâles succès.
Travaillons! Notre labeur donne
A nos champs la fécondité
Et la splendeur des arts couronne
Le Roi, la Loi, la Liberté
Le Roi, la Loi, la Liberté
Le Roi, la Loi, la Liberté

Ô Belgique! Ô Mère chérie!
A toi nos coeurs, à toi nos bras.
A toi notre sang, ô Patrie
Nous le jurons tous, tu vivras.
Tu vivras toujours fière et belle,
Plus grande en ta forte unité
Gardant, pour devise éternelle
Le Roi, la Loi, la Liberté
Le Roi, la Loi, la Liberté
Le Roi, la Loi, la Liberté

What if something went wrong during broadcast?

880 is astronut

What if something went wrong during broadcast?



Recall that the EVA's were monitored by several ground stations and partially by amateurs. When would something have gone wrong that wasn't on live TV and heard by the Russians and other countries listening in to the biggest event in human history? The voice transmissions were not coded...that technology was still several years away. Normal narrowband FM was used on the S-Band system.

Uhum.... I'm not patriotic at all. In fact, I hope my non-existing country splits in 2 parts.

What if something went wrong during broadcast?



Recall that the EVA's were monitored by several ground stations and partially by amateurs. When would something have gone wrong that wasn't on live TV and heard by the Russians and other countries listening in to the biggest event in human history? The voice transmissions were not coded...that technology was still several years away. Normal narrowband FM was used on the S-Band system.


If I recall correctly the live video needed to be converted first before it was relayed to the rest of the world. That´s what I meant earlier when I said just the audio was live (for all who listened). That´s one of the reasons CBS showed an animation of the LM landing on the surface with live audio.

Because of the needed conversion the video feed could have been switched for staged video. I think this is something we will never know for sure.

That´s what I meant earlier when I said just the audio was live (for all who listened). That´s one of the reasons CBS showed an animation of the LM landing on the surface with live audio.

Uhum.... I'm not patriotic at all. In fact, I hope my non-existing country splits in 2 parts.


Add the north to the nethalands and the south to france?

Might happen if I see how divided they already are, look at the mess after the general elections.

But... It´s ok to be a patriot, don´t be jealous of the Americans, they have been spoonfed patriotism since kindergarten by pledging allegiance of the flag etc.

You mean the dust that never settled on the landing pads? Or on anypart of the crinkly foil taped to the side of the fake lander? That dust?

You mean the dust that never settled on the landing pads? Or on anypart of the crinkly foil taped to the side of the fake lander? That dust?


Yes, that dust. Why do you think it would "settle" on the landing pads when it is being blow radially away with no air to make it hang?

And that "crinkly foil"...you mean like the thermal MLI is on every satellte ever launched? That crinkly foil?

You mean the dust that never settled on the landing pads? Or on anypart of the crinkly foil taped to the side of the fake lander? That dust?


Yes, that dust. Why do you think it would "settle" on the landing pads when it is being blow radially away with no air to make it hang?

And that "crinkly foil"...you mean like the thermal MLI is on every satellte ever launched? That crinkly foil?

5 miles, not a few hundred yards.



In which mission do you think the astronauts travelled 5 miles from their landing spot?


The big one in July 1969. I'm not 100% certain about the 5 miles. Some sources talk about 5, others about 2.5 and most talk about "several miles", but not yards.

Footprints but no burn in mark under the "lander".

You know the lander that NEVER worked (not even once) in testing. The lander that almost killed its operator.

They brought a VW buggy but no telescope? Hmmmm. Who assembled the buggy? Or did they cram it in under the foil?

What was the stated purpose of the VW? And tell me what was learned from the tons of rocks brought back?

Footprints but no burn in mark under the "lander". You know the lander that NEVER worked (not even once) in testing. The lander that almost killed its operator.

I can see how that foil would really help manuver the lander. Sure looks like it would help. Hows that stuff held on? Must be good tape eh?

Hows that stuff held on? Must be good tape eh?