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I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.

 
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Notice the pattern, ignore any question without valid answer. Demand answers that cannot be known. Distract from obviouse basic evidence. You guys are text book agents of disinformation.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
More astronot quotes for you, "for those of you who would look beyond truths protective layer". What do you think he was refering to?

To seek What do you think he ment? Truths protective layer?


Please reference the quote in full context.
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Ahhh so you 880 you claim you have not heard this quote before? As a moon hoax buster I think you already KNOW who and what I mentioned. BUSTED.
Another shill ploy....pretend to be ignorant.

Dam you guys are bad at your jobs.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
You're not answering my question about patriotism. Trust me, I know the answer and I also know why you're avoiding it. Patriotism makes people blind.

Backgrounds on the moon, different places, but the same background. It should be clear.
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No I am not. It is irrelevant and ad hominem.

Since you aer unable to provide any evidence supporting your claim, there must not be any problem with the backgrounds.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
Ah. Well, works for me. I'm still amazed we went to the moon without a single microprocessor on board. Of course, the Astronauts were some smart cats but still. That was some stone age tech they used.

On a side note, I constantly wonder why we haven't sent a rover to the moon. It would be far cheaper than sending another to Mars. We've barely scratched the surface of the moon, no pun intended. We could even explore the dark side of the moon with proper relays and back up battery power.
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That is not true at all.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
This is your broken record shill defence. Ad hominem "attack" my ass,
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Yes it is ad hominem
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
To much radiation. Not enough fuel. Period.
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How much radiation did they encounter?

How much fuel did they need?

You can show your calculations.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
To much radiation.

Wrong, the predicted radiation dose for their spacecraft and their trajectory was far below "too much":
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
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Is that plot from IDL? Just curious
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To me it looks like a figure standing there with his legs a little apart, left leg a little higher on the hill, wearing dark pants, a dark shirt, and a white body warmer with a hood. The camera - as you call it - is pointed as expected, but where is the backpack? It should be sticking out like a big square behind him. Look at other pictures taken. Backpacks stick out.

You must admit it is an interesting picture.

Doesn´t matter.
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The image is also distorted by being reflected off of the curved surface of the visor. It is acting like the "fun house" mirrors that nake you look too thin. The distortion makes you loose perception.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
Yah this guy is to much. He pretends not to understand my analogy. I don't have to "prove" HOW they faked it. I look at the evidence of fakery and there you go.
He's just doing his BS job. I think thats plain to see...thanks Belgium.
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Yes you do.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
Footprints but no burn in mark under the "lander". You know the lander that NEVER worked (not even once) in testing. The lander that almost killed its operator.
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The lander was never fully tested on Earth. And one are talking about the simulator
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
More astronot quotes for you, "for those of you who would look beyond truths protective layer". What do you think he was refering to?
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"We´ve only completed a beginning. We leave you much that is undone. There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth´s protective layers"

My theory is that they found evidence of ancient civilizations on the moon, and maybe even extraterrestial life. I´m inclined to think to he is referring to the censorship that was applied to hide these facts.

I would consider finding artificial structures on the moon quite a breakthrough. I for one would flip the hell out. lol
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
And no reply from the liers Toseek and 880 on the foil tape and telescope....jeeze guys your all wet.
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They responded, but you ignored the answers. Exactly how is the Kapton film going to affect the maneuverability of a spacecraft operating in an environment with no atmosphere?
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
Good links, good links.

Was watching something on cold fusion, will check the tracking links tomorrow thanks for the trouble.



More tracking links...

[link to www.astr.ua.edu]

[link to en.wikipedia.org] (mid page)

[link to tripatlas.com] (mid page)
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Wow, most excellent. Bit hard to fake a radar signature.

There sure was something up there, simply too many observations taken to doubt that.

Well good for them.
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I have a couple null questions:

Why have there been no studies of other earth live forms in space beyond the radiation belts? Fruit flies or fungus, it would be important that if we are ever to truely go into deep space that extensive biological studies be done there. Why haven't they been done?

Why have no manned space flights ever been done to repair the very very important communication satellites out at Gyosync, that is only a tenth of the way to the Moon?



Moon Rocks are actual Moon Rocks, but they were picked up on the Anarctic Ice Cap by several extensive expeditions NASA sent there for that purpose
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
I have a couple null questions:

Why have there been no studies of other earth live forms in space beyond the radiation belts? Fruit flies or fungus, it would be important that if we are ever to truely go into deep space that extensive biological studies be done there. Why haven't they been done?
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There were a lot of animals used in test flights:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The Russians sent animals around the Moon and Apollo 17 carried 5 pocket mice with them for the entire mission. (one died).

More recently, Iran has joined the exploration efforts:
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

It will be interesting to see their results as they will go for translunar tests...

NASA is curently conduction tests for long term effects on humans, one project is called ALTEA-Dosi (ISS):
[link to www.nasa.gov]

Why have no manned space flights ever been done to repair the very very important communication satellites out at Gyosync, that is only a tenth of the way to the Moon?
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Geosynchronous orbits are at 35,786 km altitude, which puts them on the edge of the inner belt and the "safe area".

This is an extremely dangerous area to stay in for biologicals, and I think that the risks involved in staying in that location for the amount of time needed to make repairs would make it impossible to protect any astronaut without going well over the acceptable limit of radiation received.

Moon Rocks are actual Moon Rocks, but they were picked up on the Anarctic Ice Cap by several extensive expeditions NASA sent there for that purpose
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That is possible but for one minor detail:

The moon rocks brought back from the moon have very small pits on the surface called "zap pits". These are caused by micrometeorite impacts while lying on the lunar surface and can clearly be seen using a microscope.

The antarctic meteorites, although from the moon, do not have these because the outside of these are burned during entry into earths atmosphere. There are simply absent.

Now if you could find a plausible way to create "zap pits" on these samples it becomes interesting. Still - arctic lunar rock is rare, and hard to find which leaves the question where they have gotten 800 pounds of it if not from the Moon itself.
Time field researcher Dr David Anderson and his websites are missing. Why? Please discuss.
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Still - arctic lunar rock is rare, and hard to find which leaves the question where they have gotten 800 pounds of it if not from the Moon itself.
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I know, I know Von Braun could have picked up ten tons of rock back in 1967 and that´s why they are now rare. lol
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
You tube search that phrase "one of truths protective layers", then watch the man himself go as far as possiable. As far as HUMANLY possable to SPEAK truth.
THIS is not some shill like yourself THIS is a brave man who was told he had to lie. I freeken DARE you to look this up and watch it!
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I did. You are REALLY stretching to think that this had ANYTHING to do with Apollo. He is talking about scientific research ad new discoveries in general that almost always involves breaking with previous ideas...the "protective layers". A good example was quantum physics that had to have a protective cover of centuries of coventional wisdom about how the universe works pulled back to expose the actual nature of the atom and quantum reality.

You HB's are truly desperate.
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And no reply from the liers Toseek and 880 on the foil tape and telescope....jeeze guys your all wet.
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Why did you ignore all the references I posted?
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Notice the pattern, ignore any question without valid answer. Demand answers that cannot be known. Distract from obviouse basic evidence. You guys are text book agents of disinformation.
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Yes, the HB's certainly are. I have asked question after question of them and they simply evade answering. They can't seem to address the mountain of evidence that has been set before them.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
More astronot quotes for you, "for those of you who would look beyond truths protective layer". What do you think he was refering to?


"We´ve only completed a beginning. We leave you much that is undone. There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth´s protective layers"

My theory is that they found evidence of ancient civilizations on the moon, and maybe even extraterrestial life. I´m inclined to think to he is referring to the censorship that was applied to hide these facts.

I would consider finding artificial structures on the moon quite a breakthrough. I for one would flip the hell out. lol
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Where is the evidence of this, especially now that other countries have high resolution orbiters aorund the moon? When might have this been discussed with MC when the communications were monitored continuously throughout the mission by many 3rd party downlinks, as described in some of the references I posted last night. The video record is complete of every EVA.

You've already worked through a good part of why it couldn't have been a hoax. Now work through how what you're now claiming could have possibly been hidden and is being hidden from view now.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
I have a couple null questions:

Why have there been no studies of other earth live forms in space beyond the radiation belts? Fruit flies or fungus, it would be important that if we are ever to truely go into deep space that extensive biological studies be done there. Why haven't they been done?
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There have been. The Russians have sent wine flies, meal worms, bacteria and two tortoises around the moon. Just a little research would have shown you this.

Why have no manned space flights ever been done to repair the very very important communication satellites out at Gyosync, that is only a tenth of the way to the Moon?
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First, the shuttle hasn't the capability to go to geo-sync altitudes. Secondly, you're proposing to risk a multi-billion dollar spacecraftp and the multi-million dollar cost to launch and support a manned mission, and risk people's lives to repair a satellite that can easily and much less expensively be replaced?

Moon Rocks are actual Moon Rocks, but they were picked up on the Anarctic Ice Cap by several extensive expeditions NASA sent there for that purpose
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Lunar meteorites have been contaminated by our atmosphere. as well as being cooked by the flight through it. Thus, while the internal composition may be the same as actual lunar samples, they are not nearly as valuable as research specimens as a properly sealed sample taken from its pristine place of origin. Plus, lunar metoeires account for nowhere near the 842 pounds of actual lunar samples that were photographed in their original settings before being picked up. Likewise, many of the larger samples were guided in their selection by geologists on earth watching the video from the moon.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
To much radiation.

Wrong, the predicted radiation dose for their spacecraft and their trajectory was far below "too much":
[link to i319.photobucket.com]



Is that plot from IDL? Just curious
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Yup. Good eye.

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The lander NEVER tested on earth? I recall that it was. With bad results.
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You're thinking about the LLRV, which was just a simulator for the LEM and DID work on the vast majority of flights. Yes, Neil Armstrong had to bail out of it, but it did work most of the other times it flew:
[link to www.lunarlanding.info]
What's that? Oh look, it landed safely there!
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What's that? Oh look, it landed safely there!
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And listening to the audio on the video, it's kind of funny. They had to deal with something that they didn't have to on the Moon...crosswind!
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
Where is the evidence of this, especially now that other countries have high resolution orbiters aorund the moon? When might have this been discussed with MC when the communications were monitored continuously throughout the mission by many 3rd party downlinks, as described in some of the references I posted last night. The video record is complete of every EVA.

You've already worked through a good part of why it couldn't have been a hoax. Now work through how what you're now claiming could have possibly been hidden and is being hidden from view now.
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Well, lets take India´s Chandrayaan-1, the much hailed mission to chart the entire moon´s surface into an interactive encyclopedia? So far they have released only a fraction of the pictures, all the while they have been up there since 2008 with an estimate of 70.000+ images taken, of which I have found only about 100 as of yet.

And would it be that far fetched that if the Moon did contain artifacts that those images are witheld from public view via strict policies made between those countries on a high level?

You must be aware that Clementine images for one show "smudges" at certain areas and that certain LRO images contain remarkable construction like items.

I guess you do not believe the testimony by Sgt. Karl Wolf?

I have spent many a day going over LRO images and found a lot of interesting material. But ofcourse anything can be explained either way, you say rock, I say tower etc.

Hopefully we are near full disclosure.
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
Why have no manned space flights ever been done to repair the very very important communication satellites out at Gyosync, that is only a tenth of the way to the Moon?
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For one thing, it's cheaper to launch a new communications satellite than for a company to fund an entire shuttle mission to fix a broken one. They don't even fix satellites in low Earth orbit any more, and those are much easier to get to.

(As impressive as the Hubble servicing missions were, the fact is that it would have been cheaper to cancel the space shuttle and just launch a completely new telescope instead of using a shuttle mission to repair the current one.)
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Circle jerk!
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
I have a couple null questions:

Why have there been no studies of other earth live forms in space beyond the radiation belts? Fruit flies or fungus, it would be important that if we are ever to truely go into deep space that extensive biological studies be done there. Why haven't they been done?
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The Russians did send "life forms" beyond the VAB and to the moon and back.
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This entire thread is mostly Moon Hoax believers presenting points that were completely debunked over and over again on the "Why do so many doubt the moon landing" thread.

Are these new people posting or the same people obsessively repeating themselves despite ample evidence against their claims?
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Re: I Give Up: The Apollo moon missions were UN-fakeable. They went and I must deal with that.
My theory above went up in smoke as I studied the orbital footage over the last few days.

To conclude - yes they went.
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Props to you. You've not only gained knowledge, but also respect.

You have shown that there is hope for that particular affiction.

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