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Y-BIAS AND ANGULARITY - The Dynamics of Self-Organizing Criticality From the Zero Point to Infinity

 
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"Order, via Control, breeds Chaos but Control, via Order, isn't Control." - Old Toad Proverb

The reason why rush hour traffic jams occur, is dew to Order via Control, thus, Chaos ensues.

As to mass extinctions & major weather events, what if they are Controlled events? hmm

Ribbit chuckle
 Quoting: Butt Ugly Toad


The Law of Eristic Escalation... Imposition of Order = Escalation of Chaos

Throwing that out there so I can delve deeper a little later :)
 Quoting: Snoocherdoodle (Queen Bea)


Toad and I were discussing this...

Control = Chaos
Freedom = Order
 Quoting: SickScent


How I read it...

Control = Destructive Order/Chaos
Freedom = Constructive Order/Chaos

You know me and my distinctions... not all chaos is "bad". We couldn't create anything without the combination. :)
 Quoting: Snoocherdoodle (Queen Bea)


I know you! lol. Its funny Bea, I have seen others get confused by your words, or misconstrue them, and I think to myself, "No! She meant this!" And sure enough, you come back and respond to them and it was exactly what I thought...

cool.
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The Standard Model obviously needs to be heavily revised.

Mainstream Scientists should grow a pair of balls to accept the "non-physical" but unfortunately they don't because they fear it could accidentally "validate" Religion or most of the spiritual stuff they believe as "pseudo-science" and "bullshit".

Considering most Scientists are strictly materialistic atheists, I am not surprised.

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Complex system

A complex system is a system composed of interconnected parts that as a whole exhibit one or more properties (behavior among the possible properties) not obvious from the properties of the individual parts
 Quoting: observation


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Complex system

A complex system is a system composed of interconnected parts that as a whole exhibit one or more properties (behavior among the possible properties) not obvious from the properties of the individual parts
 Quoting: observation


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: aether


I'll see your complex system and up you one complex ADAPTIVE system... what we seem to be, speaking as what we'd define as human, of course.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Complex system

A complex system is a system composed of interconnected parts that as a whole exhibit one or more properties (behavior among the possible properties) not obvious from the properties of the individual parts
 Quoting: observation


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: aether


In volume, 99.999% of all the observable matter in the universe exists in the plasma state. This had led to the coinage of the term "Plasma Universe."
 Quoting: los alamos

[link to plasmauniverse.info]

Complex plasma phenomena

Although the underlying equations governing plasmas are relatively simple, plasma behavior is extraordinarily varied and subtle: the emergence of unexpected behavior from a simple model is a typical feature of a complex system.
 Quoting: observation

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

communicative intuition ?
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Complex system

A complex system is a system composed of interconnected parts that as a whole exhibit one or more properties (behavior among the possible properties) not obvious from the properties of the individual parts
 Quoting: observation


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: aether


I'll see your complex system and up you one complex ADAPTIVE system... what we seem to be, speaking as what we'd define as human, of course.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Snoocherdoodle (Queen Bea)


Sounds like us, huh?

Characteristics of Complex Adaptive Systems

Complex adaptive systems are characterized as follows and the most important are:

The number of elements is sufficiently large that conventional descriptions (e.g. a system of differential equations) are not only impractical, but cease to assist in understanding the system, the elements also have to interact and the interaction must be dynamic. Interactions can be physical or involve the exchange of information.

Such interactions are rich, i.e. any element in the system is affected and affects several other systems.

The interactions are non-linear which means that small causes can have large results.

Interactions are primarily but not exclusively with immediate neighbours and the nature of the influence is modulated.

Any interaction can feed back onto itself directly or after a number of intervening stages, such feedback can vary in quality. This is known as recurrency.

Such systems are open and it may be difficult or impossible to define system boundaries.

Complex systems operate under far from equilibrium conditions, there has to be a constant flow of energy to maintain the organization of the system.

All complex systems have a history, they evolve and their past is co-responsible for their present behaviour.

Elements in the system are ignorant of the behaviour of the system as a whole, responding only to what is available to it locally.
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you like that huh 1rof1
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you like that huh 1rof1
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my point is

if some fuck whom i strongly suspect is a man is clever enough to write it right how come all the other fucks, whom i know are men, do not fucking live it

Mankind

Mankind may refer to:
The human species
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Complex system

A complex system is a system composed of interconnected parts that as a whole exhibit one or more properties (behavior among the possible properties) not obvious from the properties of the individual parts
 Quoting: observation


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: aether


I'll see your complex system and up you one complex ADAPTIVE system... what we seem to be, speaking as what we'd define as human, of course.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Snoocherdoodle (Queen Bea)


Sounds like us, huh?

Characteristics of Complex Adaptive Systems

Complex adaptive systems are characterized as follows and the most important are:

The number of elements is sufficiently large that conventional descriptions (e.g. a system of differential equations) are not only impractical, but cease to assist in understanding the system, the elements also have to interact and the interaction must be dynamic. Interactions can be physical or involve the exchange of information.

Such interactions are rich, i.e. any element in the system is affected and affects several other systems.

The interactions are non-linear which means that small causes can have large results.

Interactions are primarily but not exclusively with immediate neighbours and the nature of the influence is modulated.

Any interaction can feed back onto itself directly or after a number of intervening stages, such feedback can vary in quality. This is known as recurrency.

Such systems are open and it may be difficult or impossible to define system boundaries.

Complex systems operate under far from equilibrium conditions, there has to be a constant flow of energy to maintain the organization of the system.

All complex systems have a history, they evolve and their past is co-responsible for their present behaviour.

Elements in the system are ignorant of the behaviour of the system as a whole, responding only to what is available to it locally.
 Quoting: Snoocherdoodle (Queen Bea)


In volume, 99.999% of all the observable matter in the universe exists in the plasma state. This had led to the coinage of the term "Plasma Universe."
 Quoting: los alamos



so by definition 99.999% of all that is earth must express itself within a complex system therefore we (humankind) are functioning in a manner most of us, it appears, have 0 imagination of

a complex system such as us (humankind), within a complex system (gaia), within complex system (galaxy), within a complex system (universe), must have a unique personality (function) that interacts (effects) all other complex systems we by default interact with

how does that sound?
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Complex system

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[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: aether


I'll see your complex system and up you one complex ADAPTIVE system... what we seem to be, speaking as what we'd define as human, of course.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Snoocherdoodle (Queen Bea)


Sounds like us, huh?

Characteristics of Complex Adaptive Systems

Complex adaptive systems are characterized as follows and the most important are:

The number of elements is sufficiently large that conventional descriptions (e.g. a system of differential equations) are not only impractical, but cease to assist in understanding the system, the elements also have to interact and the interaction must be dynamic. Interactions can be physical or involve the exchange of information.

Such interactions are rich, i.e. any element in the system is affected and affects several other systems.

The interactions are non-linear which means that small causes can have large results.

Interactions are primarily but not exclusively with immediate neighbours and the nature of the influence is modulated.

Any interaction can feed back onto itself directly or after a number of intervening stages, such feedback can vary in quality. This is known as recurrency.

Such systems are open and it may be difficult or impossible to define system boundaries.

Complex systems operate under far from equilibrium conditions, there has to be a constant flow of energy to maintain the organization of the system.

All complex systems have a history, they evolve and their past is co-responsible for their present behaviour.

Elements in the system are ignorant of the behaviour of the system as a whole, responding only to what is available to it locally.
 Quoting: Snoocherdoodle (Queen Bea)


In volume, 99.999% of all the observable matter in the universe exists in the plasma state. This had led to the coinage of the term "Plasma Universe."
 Quoting: los alamos



so by definition 99.999% of all that is earth must express itself within a complex system therefore we (humankind) are functioning in a manner most of us, it appears, have 0 imagination of

a complex system such as us (humankind), within a complex system (gaia), within complex system (galaxy), within a complex system (universe), must have a unique personality (function) that interacts (effects) all other complex systems we by default interact with

how does that sound?
 Quoting: aether


Like wheels within wheels :) Perfect.
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Like wheels within wheels :) Perfect.
 Quoting: beau


good
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Like wheels within wheels :) Perfect.
 Quoting: beau


good
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...and we're the minority...
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SS thx for the link will be reading this later...
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Like wheels within wheels :) Perfect.
 Quoting: beau


good
 Quoting: aether


...and we're the minority...
 Quoting: SickScent


Then good news... The interactions are non-linear which means that small causes can have large results. Minorities affect majorities, one breadcrumb at a time ;)
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SS thx for the link will be reading this later...
bump
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I highly recommend it. It is a VERY interesting read.
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I am just glad you changed your avatar back, you were scaring me.
I'm tired of waiting, somebody push the damn button already!

Keep your 72 virgins, give me one old biker chick.
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Very nice SS.
Always the very tastiest technofantasy.

How do you come across all this stuff?
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Refreshing to hear some real reflection of ownership and responsibility for where we are, I'm still hoping we get a strong enough CME to wipe out the TVs, in Plasma Cosmology every structure is interconnected, from DNA to Diamonds everything being part of the same forces, native Americans say the chimp may be our (western civilizations progenitor) but not their relative.

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Complex system

A complex system is a system composed of interconnected parts that as a whole exhibit one or more properties (behavior among the possible properties) not obvious from the properties of the individual parts
 Quoting: observation


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: aether


I'll see your complex system and up you one complex ADAPTIVE system... what we seem to be, speaking as what we'd define as human, of course.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Snoocherdoodle (Queen Bea)


Sounds like us, huh?

Characteristics of Complex Adaptive Systems

Complex adaptive systems are characterized as follows and the most important are:

The number of elements is sufficiently large that conventional descriptions (e.g. a system of differential equations) are not only impractical, but cease to assist in understanding the system, the elements also have to interact and the interaction must be dynamic. Interactions can be physical or involve the exchange of information.

Such interactions are rich, i.e. any element in the system is affected and affects several other systems.

The interactions are non-linear which means that small causes can have large results.

Interactions are primarily but not exclusively with immediate neighbours and the nature of the influence is modulated.

Any interaction can feed back onto itself directly or after a number of intervening stages, such feedback can vary in quality. This is known as recurrency.

Such systems are open and it may be difficult or impossible to define system boundaries.

Complex systems operate under far from equilibrium conditions, there has to be a constant flow of energy to maintain the organization of the system.

All complex systems have a history, they evolve and their past is co-responsible for their present behaviour.

Elements in the system are ignorant of the behaviour of the system as a whole, responding only to what is available to it locally.
 Quoting: Snoocherdoodle (Queen Bea)


This is incredible. I LOVE this!
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Very nice SS.
Always the very tastiest technofantasy.

How do you come across all this stuff?
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One of the authors e-mailed me with the paper, and asked me to go over it.
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how you attempt to steer a complex system is not the prime issue
steer with love
steer with fear
steer with anything
the prime issue is your motive to steer
if the purpose (goal) does not synchronize with the complex systems innate motive, thus by default all other complex systems interactive
you are fucked
the complex system self rectifies , forced to by the momentum of the other systems effects upon it
 Quoting: aether


I see your words as pulses, wave forms...interesting. That is the immediate 'image' I get.

the motive is intention, sending out your own personal pulses into the system. The system has infinitely more pulses reacting, and if yours is in dissonance to the complex system, the complex system's pulses will soon nullify through interference patterns, all of the individual's pulses. If it resonates, the pulses harmonize and the intention grows greater into the system through 'mergence'.

What would be bad ass, is a form of varied intention from an isolated source, that is somehow harmonic with the complex system. One isolated source, putting out motive from all these different angles...philosophy, spiritual, communal, etc...all harmonic to the system, resonating through the complex system, changing it to new patterns of pulses...shortly afterward becoming self perpetuating and reactive.
 Quoting: SickScent



brilliant remote rockon
 Quoting: aether


Thread: Marko Rodin - Smart Lazer Technology (Page 127)

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how you attempt to steer a complex system is not the prime issue
steer with love
steer with fear
steer with anything
the prime issue is your motive to steer
if the purpose (goal) does not synchronize with the complex systems innate motive, thus by default all other complex systems interactive
you are fucked
the complex system self rectifies , forced to by the momentum of the other systems effects upon it
 Quoting: aether


I see your words as pulses, wave forms...interesting. That is the immediate 'image' I get.

the motive is intention, sending out your own personal pulses into the system. The system has infinitely more pulses reacting, and if yours is in dissonance to the complex system, the complex system's pulses will soon nullify through interference patterns, all of the individual's pulses. If it resonates, the pulses harmonize and the intention grows greater into the system through 'mergence'.

What would be bad ass, is a form of varied intention from an isolated source, that is somehow harmonic with the complex system. One isolated source, putting out motive from all these different angles...philosophy, spiritual, communal, etc...all harmonic to the system, resonating through the complex system, changing it to new patterns of pulses...shortly afterward becoming self perpetuating and reactive.
 Quoting: SickScent



brilliant remote rockon
 Quoting: aether

 Quoting: aether


Nice placement aether!
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how you attempt to steer a complex system is not the prime issue
steer with love
steer with fear
steer with anything
the prime issue is your motive to steer
if the purpose (goal) does not synchronize with the complex systems innate motive, thus by default all other complex systems interactive
you are fucked
the complex system self rectifies , forced to by the momentum of the other systems effects upon it
 Quoting: aether


I see your words as pulses, wave forms...interesting. That is the immediate 'image' I get.

the motive is intention, sending out your own personal pulses into the system. The system has infinitely more pulses reacting, and if yours is in dissonance to the complex system, the complex system's pulses will soon nullify through interference patterns, all of the individual's pulses. If it resonates, the pulses harmonize and the intention grows greater into the system through 'mergence'.

What would be bad ass, is a form of varied intention from an isolated source, that is somehow harmonic with the complex system. One isolated source, putting out motive from all these different angles...philosophy, spiritual, communal, etc...all harmonic to the system, resonating through the complex system, changing it to new patterns of pulses...shortly afterward becoming self perpetuating and reactive.
 Quoting: SickScent



brilliant remote rockon
 Quoting: aether


Thread: Marko Rodin - Smart Lazer Technology (Page 127)
 Quoting: aether


Hah! The criticality point has been breached!
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I'll be happy the day the darwinian secularists go the way of the dinonuggets. Us alchemists may figure out all the secrets while the scientists fight each other in their crib and make fun of the people outside.

They all lost a lot of credibility during this global warming bonanza.

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I'll be happy the day the darwinian secularists go the way of the dinonuggets. Us alchemists may figure out all the secrets while the scientists fight each other in their crib and make fun of the people outside.

They all lost a lot of credibility during this global warming bonanza.

Early morning bump!
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thumbs

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just what i was looking for

Namastéhf
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just what i was looking for

Namastéhf
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"An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything"[1] is a physics preprint proposing a basis for a unified field theory, very often referred to as "E8 Theory,"[2] which attempts to describe all known fundamental interactions in physics and to stand as a possible theory of everything. The paper was posted to the physics arXiv by Antony Garrett Lisi on November 6, 2007, and was not submitted to a peer-reviewed scientific journal.[3] The title is a pun on the algebra used, the Lie algebra of the largest "simple," "exceptional" Lie group, E8. The paper's goal is to describe how the combined structure and dynamics of all gravitational and Standard Model particle fields, including fermions, are part of the E8 Lie algebra.[2] In the paper, Lisi states that all three generations of fermions do not directly embed in E8 with correct quantum numbers and spins, but that they might be described via a triality transformation, noting that the theory is incomplete and that a correct description of the relationship between triality and generations, if it exists, awaits a better understanding.
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