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Voice Chat Topic- Prop 19 Should marijuana be fully Legalized? 11:00PM EST

 
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The first state to fully legalize marijuana may be in the works and our topic will cover should it be legal and why.
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To me this is a real test of your/my rights and freedoms.

I have smoked for over 40 years and own everthing I have ...no debt in my personal or business life. I employ 4 great guys and we all make good money ...I pay their Insurance in full....and we get stoned together every day!
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didnt the feds say that if its legalized in cali they'd still enforce federal law?
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To me this is a real test of your/my rights and freedoms.

I have smoked for over 40 years and own everthing I have ...no debt in my personal or business life. I employ 4 great guys and we all make good money ...I pay their Insurance in full....and we get stoned together every day!
 Quoting: Sailor101


you happy now sailor?

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didnt the feds say that if its legalized in cali they'd still enforce federal law?
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Should be interesting if it does pass.
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didnt the feds say that if its legalized in cali they'd still enforce federal law?
 Quoting: Phennommennonn

Yes they did....but won't this send a message to the rest of the country....we the people have spoken.
And yea they raid a few dozen or more pot outlets....but how the hell are they going to deal with the 100's of thousands "legaly" smoking at home??
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To me this is a real test of your/my rights and freedoms.

I have smoked for over 40 years and own everthing I have ...no debt in my personal or business life. I employ 4 great guys and we all make good money ...I pay their Insurance in full....and we get stoned together every day!


you happy now sailor?

1rof1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1148182

Yes I am.....Thanks for asking
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if they legalize it, then they should pardon all those with minor convictions - bc those minor convictions prohibit them from getting jobs.
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"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
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Yes I am.....Thanks for asking
 Quoting: Sailor101


The thanks should go to Coolhandluke for making this thread!!

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if they legalize it, then they should pardon all those with minor convictions - bc those minor convictions prohibit them from getting jobs.
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When I lived in Cal...I got a mistomeaner possesion of pot...no fine...time served (over the weekend). No big deal.

Then came the letter from DMV telling me I could not drive for 6 months. Seems it was a Health and Safety viloation too!! Automatic 6 month loss of drivings rights....BIG DEAL! No one at any time in the court house told me this....I had no way to fight this!!!

Yes i still drove....had too. Will never live in that crazy state again....I simply support PROP 19 from a selfish point of view.
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if they legalize it, then they should pardon all those with minor convictions - bc those minor convictions prohibit them from getting jobs.

When I lived in Cal...I got a mistomeaner possesion of pot...no fine...time served (over the weekend). No big deal.

Then came the letter from DMV telling me I could not drive for 6 months. Seems it was a Health and Safety viloation too!! Automatic 6 month loss of drivings rights....BIG DEAL! No one at any time in the court house told me this....I had no way to fight this!!!

Yes i still drove....had too. Will never live in that crazy state again....I simply support PROP 19 from a selfish point of view.
 Quoting: Sailor101

a 'friend' who lives on the west coast, some 25/30 yrs ago got a joint conviction. tho a misdemeanor, its adversely affecting him now as he is in the health care field and the laws for keeping his certifications have changed, he can lose his business.
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political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

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"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
VIDEO: [link to youtu.be]

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Then came the letter from DMV telling me I could not drive for 6 months. Seems it was a Health and Safety viloation too!! Automatic 6 month loss of drivings rights....BIG DEAL! No one at any time in the court house told me this....I had no way to fight this!!!


 Quoting: Sailor101





This was a planned method to increase the odds of people like you becoming entangled in state control for an extended period of time. There is money and control in the prisons and court system.

The current system of governance - both state and federal has grown too corrupt. This level of corruption is not sustainable.

I, for one, will not shed a tear when this system is dead.
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if it was legal and more americas smoked it would anyone notice?

lets face it americans are dumb as shit anyway

they cant even protest without a teevee host telling them to
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if it was legal and more americas smoked it would anyone notice?

lets face it americans are dumb as shit anyway

they cant even protest without a teevee host telling them to
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Not anymore than you Britts. Some of the best hash I have ever smoked was in London a few years back. And in a little town called Poltave...in the Ukrain I saw fielsa....FIELDS of purple cush growing....nobody cared. In fact the pot I scored at Octoberfest this year came threw the tunnel from England....ya just never know till you been there!
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if it was legal and more americas smoked it would anyone notice?

lets face it americans are dumb as shit anyway

they cant even protest without a teevee host telling them to
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Go toss Mr. Bean's salad.
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Go toss Mr. Bean's salad.
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Legalize marijuana, but keep hemp illegal because it's too useful and it might help our economy.


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if they legalize it, then they should pardon all those with minor convictions - bc those minor convictions prohibit them from getting jobs.
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Please mention the fact that ALL drugs should not be regulated by the Gov. They have no business telling people what they can do or not do. And that drug control (war) is just a way to make money not a way to protect the people. In fact drug enforcement is what causes the problem in the firsy place.
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if they legalize it, then they should pardon all those with minor convictions - bc those minor convictions prohibit them from getting jobs.

Please mention the fact that ALL drugs should not be regulated by the Gov. They have no business telling people what they can do or not do. And that drug control (war) is just a way to make money not a way to protect the people. In fact drug enforcement is what causes the problem in the firsy place.
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im just saying i feel this would be a dbl standard i.e. ppl convicted prior to legalization
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"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
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come on drano should be legal to smoke......hey i guess it is....lol


think this thru
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I never got into any trouble when I used it, but then I wasn't dealing either.

Why legalize something that I never got into trouble for? Its considered almost a non-offense for personal use anyway.

And people shouldn't be dealing drugs. They are normally the only ones who get into trouble anyway. As they should.
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I never got into any trouble when I used it, but then I wasn't dealing either.

Why legalize something that I never got into trouble for? Its considered almost a non-offense for personal use anyway.

And people shouldn't be dealing drugs. They are normally the only ones who get into trouble anyway. As they should.
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Well... that's a pretty brain-dead argument. wtf
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if it was legal and more americas smoked it would anyone notice?

lets face it americans are dumb as shit anyway

they cant even protest without a teevee host telling them to
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You fail to realize that the average size of a US state is bigger than your whole fucking country.
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Legalize marijuana, but keep hemp illegal because it's too useful and it might help our economy.



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I don't really care if cannabis is legalized or not but the fact that industrial hemp is illegal is an abomination of all things good.IMO stoner
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Legalize marijuana, but keep hemp illegal because it's too useful and it might help our economy.




I don't really care if cannabis is legalized or not but the fact that industrial hemp is illegal is an abomination of all things good.IMO stoner
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Agreed. No need to cut down a single tree for paper.
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To me this is a real test of your/my rights and freedoms.

I have smoked for over 40 years and own everthing I have ...no debt in my personal or business life. I employ 4 great guys and we all make good money ...I pay their Insurance in full....and we get stoned together every day!
 Quoting: Sailor101


People have been smoking weed since Adam enjoyed his first doobie. Prisons are filled with weed and other drugs. The Federal Government doesn't want it because they want us in a Nanny State. Just another form of control. Independent studies have shown Marijuana to be safer than alcohol and have the relaxing effects of Prozac and Xanax without any of the negative side effects. Legalize it, sell it, tax it. It's just another crop. rastabanan
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if it was legal and more americas smoked it would anyone notice?

lets face it americans are dumb as shit anyway

they cant even protest without a teevee host telling them to
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1148509


Sorry Brit, but aren't you guys the ones that gave up your guns without a fight? lol
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To me this is a real test of your/my rights and freedoms.

I have smoked for over 40 years and own everthing I have ...no debt in my personal or business life. I employ 4 great guys and we all make good money ...I pay their Insurance in full....and we get stoned together every day!
 Quoting: Sailor101


i won't be around for chat, but i'll post now. i lived in cali for a long time, and i'm against this form of legalization for state profit - $50 an oz.?!! this route will allow a tax to always exist in some form and the state to regulate the tax. not only is this methodology absurb [for a plant] and out of proportion with the tax rate on tobacco, & probably exaggerated above the booze tax rate as well.

as with everything the california government does, i don't have much confidence for this endeavor to be ran effectively, reasonably, sanely, or for the benefit of the taxed consumers.

yes, some of the prop 215 ppl & the clubs are mostly against this, apparently, mostly for financial reasons, but i understand the opposition to the route of implementation of legalization. the bars and alcohol lobby is opposed, too, but for fear of loss of revenue. then, you have your moms and churchladies that make some valid points, but are mostly fearmongering and slinging the same old bs anti propaganda, dead brain cells and backwardly-masked, satanic lyrics and all.

the freedom and liberty issues of this issue are valid - AND THE MOST SERIOUS SOLE ISSUE of this proposition.

i don't believe giving the states the right to administer the distrib, to be the middleman in the pot biz, to GIVE THE GOV CONTROL OF THE POT, is something any sane society would want to allow, to automatically give the state the right to be the gatekeeper and automatically give up the easily-documentable Constitutional basis for allowance for the personal cultivation of cannabis [Life, Liberty, the Pursuit of Happiness] which the Framers would have had a problem with government management of any aspect thereof.

anyone have the links to Jefferson's and Washington's grow journals that document their findings in increasing female plants, flower size, and flowering times? they obviously were growing smoking bud. - and would have a problem with the gov messing around in these matters. not a gov issue. nazi punks fuck off.
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To me this is a real test of your/my rights and freedoms.

I have smoked for over 40 years and own everthing I have ...no debt in my personal or business life. I employ 4 great guys and we all make good money ...I pay their Insurance in full....and we get stoned together every day!


i won't be around for chat, but i'll post now. i lived in cali for a long time, and i'm against this form of legalization for state profit - $50 an oz.?!! this route will allow a tax to always exist in some form and the state to regulate the tax. not only is this methodology absurb [for a plant] and out of proportion with the tax rate on tobacco, & probably exaggerated above the booze tax rate as well.

as with everything the california government does, i don't have much confidence for this endeavor to be ran effectively, reasonably, sanely, or for the benefit of the taxed consumers.

yes, some of the prop 215 ppl & the clubs are mostly against this, apparently, mostly for financial reasons, but i understand the opposition to the route of implementation of legalization. the bars and alcohol lobby is opposed, too, but for fear of loss of revenue. then, you have your moms and churchladies that make some valid points, but are mostly fearmongering and slinging the same old bs anti propaganda, dead brain cells and backwardly-masked, satanic lyrics and all.

the freedom and liberty issues of this issue are valid - AND THE MOST SERIOUS SOLE ISSUE of this proposition.

i don't believe giving the states the right to administer the distrib, to be the middleman in the pot biz, to GIVE THE GOV CONTROL OF THE POT, is something any sane society would want to allow, to automatically give the state the right to be the gatekeeper and automatically give up the easily-documentable Constitutional basis for allowance for the personal cultivation of cannabis [Life, Liberty, the Pursuit of Happiness] which the Framers would have had a problem with government management of any aspect thereof.

anyone have the links to Jefferson's and Washington's grow journals that document their findings in increasing female plants, flower size, and flowering times? they obviously were growing smoking bud. - and would have a problem with the gov messing around in these matters. not a gov issue. nazi punks fuck off.
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The $50/oz tax is going to allow the cartels to continue thriving off the stuff.
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yeah, this will not do much to limit cartel turnaround rates.
i'd not spend - if i were spendin' - $50 bucks more if i didn't have to.

nobody i know in cali smokes the mexibrown shit, anyway.
i've heard there is green mex, but i've never seen it. just the mierda de pollo.

what ahnahld did by decrim to $100 is the way to go. he shoulda just made the fine zero, or a buck.

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