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Well I joined as you suggested, posted my testimony.

Moderator wrote back saying my testimony was unapproved because I believe I have had dreams from God...He quoted tons of verses that I'm sure he doesn't really understand. Saying my dreams could not be from God, or some nonsense...

This kind of talk strikes me as the type of religious person who lives in a box.

Kind of like people who were against the charismatic movement, or people who thought Paul read the King James Version.

I wrote him back, telling him he is an idiot...Sorry I just don't sugar coat things lately...No time for religious people. Lots of time for REAL Christians (Ecklesia)...But not religious types. So I un-joined your group...

I was hoping I had run into something real, and not the same ol junk....Oh well...

I really liked what you wrote, and read some of the books you recommended...Not sure about the camping, dude...Heard bad things about him, don't know if any of it is true, so I can't judge him...What I read so far of his book "We are almost there" is actually pretty good.



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You guys would shit your pants if the mark of the beast was organized religion (any type) and the only ones counted worth were the atheists.

Sounds stupid, doesn't it?

So does the date being pushed by OP.
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Well I joined as you suggested, posted my testimony. Moderator wrote back saying my testimony was unapproved because I believe I have had dreams from God...He quoted tons of verses that I'm sure he doesn't really understand.

I wrote him back, telling him he is an idiot...Sorry I just don't sugar coat things lately...No time for religious people. Lots of time for REAL Christians (Ecklesia)...But not religious types. So I un-joined your group...

I was hoping I had run into something real, and not the same ol junk....Oh well...

I really liked what you wrote, and read some of the books you recommended...Not sure about the camping, dude...Heard bad things about him, don't know if any of it is true, so I can't judge him...What I read so far of his book "We are almost there" is actually pretty good.



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Both have Moderators (To keep it clean)

You can join both (anyone)and you will recieve emails in your inbox:You can respond or you can ask questions,etc.)

Hope to see you there.

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I should have suggest to start off asking some simple questiions,there are some who try to discredit the word of God and they can be Cautious on what they release.Rom we believe the Bible teaches when the Bible was completed in about 95AD God was no longer bringing dreams,visions,etc.(Revelation 22:18)

Anything other than the Bible would have been additional revelation outside of the Bible.

Mr. Camping is a humble man who loves God,people will always try to tear others down.He is a good man.

None of us are part of any church,we strickly use the Bible as the only source of truth.Maybe you ahould try again?
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Nothing after 95AD? Wow that leaves a lot of people out of the loop, and all your data (The Bible) is 2000-6000 years old…Luther wouldn’t get your vote, nor Wesley?

I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but if you really believe this, you live as a servant in the house and NOT a son.

We cannot obey the scriptures, 10 commandments, N.T. or whatever else you want to list. Paul makes this clear, in Romans The new birth does not somehow make us now able to find favor with God, because we are obeying his commandments.

If we substitute the N.T and say we obey it, and not the 10 commandments, like the Jews tried to do. We have made the same mistake as they did. We are driving the same car, we just switched the make and model. Plus the verse you are quoting is incomplete, in meaning.

For example Jesus condemns the Jews when He says: "You search the scriptures, yet refuse to come to me that you might have life"...Life and relationship is what God is after. If you reduce it to anything less you lose the meaning, and depart from God's will.

Another example is the story of the prodigal son; We focus on the fact that he came to his senses,(The religious like this kind of interpretation)... Instead the real focus is on the Father's response...He actually seems to dismiss all the excuses of the son, and talks over him.

Also obeying "MY" Commandments, is NOT a reference from Jesus to US that we should obey the commandments or text of scripture...We may desire to, and that is all fine and good.

Proof: If we do try this we refute Paul in Romans, and I find it hard to believe that Jesus and Paul were not on the same page, or didn't have the same understanding, for they had the same spirit.

The scriptures are of no private interpretation. Paul had his interpretation, Jesus had his. This would be foolish. The Spirit must give the interpretation, for the scriptures are spirit written, and spirit discerned.

OBEYING the scriptures under human will and effort is useless, and is just religious flesh. The motive to do so maybe good, no doubt there are good people who want to do there best, and please God...

But I think what really pleases God, is to believe on Him who He has sent". To love God, and to Love one another. Even these can not be done by human will or effort. CAN YOU? NO...For it is God, who brings us to faith, each man in his own time. Giving us repentance, the gift of faith, the fruit of the spirit. ETC.

Now concerning the commandments and loving God, it is clear that we are not talking about the "written word"... More than likely its speaking of the spoken word...

If you obey some of the bible, and NOT "THE WHOLE BIBLE" as you claim below, then you condemn yourself...Becoming a law to yourself, and this is dangerous indeed.

Then if you promote that(whole bible) theory to others, placing a weight upon their neck, and you find yourself fighting against God, by adding to the grace of God, and the sacrifice of Christ.

We never could obey God, and the new nature only allows us to respond to the Spirit, not initiate... Thus Jesus says "without me you can do nothing"...

Also just read the following verses carefully: For example who is it that (Has my commandments)...Doesn't the world have the Bible, and the 10 commandments...What of those who don't have the bible. Its clear something is wrong with your theory???

Jn 14:15 If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
Jn 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves Me
1 Jn 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments



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Keep my commandments,what are his commandments? The whole Bible.It is Gods law book to man.

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Yah setting dates usually end up wrong.



You guys would shit your pants if the mark of the beast was organized religion (any type) and the only ones counted worth were the atheists.

Sounds stupid, doesn't it?

So does the date being pushed by OP.
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God is the bridegroom and is coming for his bride, have you ever known any bride not to know when their wedding date is! All brides know when they are getting married so they can prepare.


You are following a man who prophecied on television..nationally..that the end of days was going to occur on September 6, 1994. He is a graduate of UC Berkeley. If he really does believe ALL of the Bible then..he knows that a man whose prophesies don't come to pass--is sentenced to stoning--death.

As you can see..he's not only still here..he's still making "prophecies".

If YOU believe the Bible..as you say you do..then you know that the BIBLE..judges Camping to be--a false prophet. YOU..are in ERROR.

If I were you..I'd find someone else to listen to.

Best wishes..
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Nothing after 95AD? Wow that leaves a lot of people out of the loop, and all your data (The Bible) is 2000-6000 years old…Luther wouldn’t get your vote, nor Wesley?

I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but if you really believe this, you live as a servant in the house and NOT a son.

We cannot obey the scriptures, 10 commandments, N.T. or whatever else you want to list. Paul makes this clear, in Romans The new birth does not somehow make us now able to find favor with God, because we are obeying his commandments.

If we substitute the N.T and say we obey it, and not the 10 commandments, like the Jews tried to do. We have made the same mistake as they did. We are driving the same car, we just switched the make and model. Plus the verse you are quoting is incomplete, in meaning.

For example Jesus condemns the Jews when He says: "You search the scriptures, yet refuse to come to me that you might have life"...Life and relationship is what God is after. If you reduce it to anything less you lose the meaning, and depart from God's will.

Another example is the story of the prodigal son; We focus on the fact that he came to his senses,(The religious like this kind of interpretation)... Instead the real focus is on the Father's response...He actually seems to dismiss all the excuses of the son, and talks over him.

Also obeying "MY" Commandments, is NOT a reference from Jesus to US that we should obey the commandments or text of scripture...We may desire to, and that is all fine and good.

Proof: If we do try this we refute Paul in Romans, and I find it hard to believe that Jesus and Paul were not on the same page, or didn't have the same understanding, for they had the same spirit.

The scriptures are of no private interpretation. Paul had his interpretation, Jesus had his. This would be foolish. The Spirit must give the interpretation, for the scriptures are spirit written, and spirit discerned.

OBEYING the scriptures under human will and effort is useless, and is just religious flesh. The motive to do so maybe good, no doubt there are good people who want to do there best, and please God...

But I think what really pleases God, is to believe on Him who He has sent". To love God, and to Love one another. Even these can not be done by human will or effort. CAN YOU? NO...For it is God, who brings us to faith, each man in his own time. Giving us repentance, the gift of faith, the fruit of the spirit. ETC.

Now concerning the commandments and loving God, it is clear that we are not talking about the "written word"... More than likely its speaking of the spoken word...

If you obey some of the bible, and NOT "THE WHOLE BIBLE" as you claim below, then you condemn yourself...Becoming a law to yourself, and this is dangerous indeed.

Then if you promote that(whole bible) theory to others, placing a weight upon their neck, and you find yourself fighting against God, by adding to the grace of God, and the sacrifice of Christ.

We never could obey God, and the new nature only allows us to respond to the Spirit, not initiate... Thus Jesus says "without me you can do nothing"...

Also just read the following verses carefully: For example who is it that (Has my commandments)...Doesn't the world have the Bible, and the 10 commandments...What of those who don't have the bible. Its clear something is wrong with your theory???

Jn 14:15 If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
Jn 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves Me
1 Jn 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments



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Keep my commandments,what are his commandments? The whole Bible.It is Gods law book to man.
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Rom,I think you are missing the point.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


The word(Bible)of God (Christ) is God.His commandments are the whole Bible,You are looking at the Law (10 commandment)which no man could keep,the wadges of sin (breaking the Law) is death.Christ came to pay the penatly (sin) for those whom he has chosen from the foundation of the world.

Matthew 5
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.


We are not justify by keeping the law,but by the grace of God alone.We are spiritually dead incapable to do anything for salvation,believe,repent,have faith,accept Christ,baptise,nothing!We are at the absolute mercy of God.

Revelation 22:18 is very clear:
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Do you understand satan comes as an angel of light?a great deciever?a false christ?who is man that can over come such a power being?how can we trust our own fallible minds that are deluded with sin?and a heart that is depraved?

1John 2
3 And hereby we do know that we know(SAVED) him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Rom, keeping his commandments are not works for salvation as some try,we keep his commandments because we love him,we reverence him,we desire to be obeident to him.We are the dust of the ground,a glorified animal,we are his creation,we are the creature.Who is the clay to instruct the potter on how form him?

All anyone of us can do is to cry out for mercy that he "might" save us.One ounce of pride will guarantee our own destruction.

Peace
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I am not against anyone, this is not personal. We are having dialogue.

SO, or should I say IF..

If I am right, even in one of my points, which you seemed to skip over...Then everything else is a mindless waste of time. You can paste text, and recite what you have learned from the mind of another man, BUT life with God, has to flow out of that seed, that kingdom on the inside, the life that is within, it speaks of itself.

Jesus did keep the law, and fulfilled it. What does that mean for us. Nothing! We are not to follow that as an example, we are to follow HIM.

I think we get all caught up, in things much deeper than what we are able to comprehend, we put God in a nice little box, make up rules and doctrines, thus estranging God from us, by adding to the work of Christ.

We misunderstand so many things, and God is so deep...

For example I think we (or some of us)as "Christians" interchange "The Word" and "The Bible" as if they are one and the same.

Yet they are not...one is historically true, and contains truth, is truth (as correctly discerned,revealed by spirit, and interpreted).
It was a spoken word to someone other than yourself, it was then written down, and protected by God, preserved for us.

The spoken word is different, and Jesus says we must and will hear his voice. OR we are not his sheep.

One can become the other, if God moves upon it. The bible says; "The word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah" It does NOT say "The bible came unto Jeremiah".

John one is NOT a reference to Jesus in his humanity. The topic and subject IS "THE WORD" a direct link to Genesis Ch 1. It is about "THE WORD" becoming (becoming means it was not always that way)...becoming flesh, and that was Jesus the man. Who they handled, touched, and knew...

Can you imagine the 12 arguing about the meaning of Jn Ch 1...I do not think it happened.

I do NOT think the Ecklesia is confused. For she lays next to Christ her lover, and husband, and he whispers in her ear, things the concubines can never hear. Even if they claim to hear him, even if they claim to know him as the bride does, they do not.

Take God out of the equation and you miss it, without God, the bible is worthless ink on paper...

My salvation experience came without a bible or doctrine, my salvation experience is a communion of relationship. I am held by him...He keeps me, I do not keep myself.

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The fool says in his heart there is no GOD. If you knew God you would know truth.

if you knew god you would no god is not found in books or religion god is within everyone those who find him understand religion is man made and those who dont follow religion
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humm.
I am not against anyone, this is not personal. We are having dialogue.

SO, or should I say IF..

If I am right, even in one of my points, which you seemed to skip over...Then everything else is a mindless waste of time. You can paste text, and recite what you have learned from the mind of another man, BUT life with God, has to flow out of that seed, that kingdom on the inside, the life that is within, it speaks of itself.

Jesus did keep the law, and fulfilled it. What does that mean for us. Nothing! We are not to follow that as an example, we are to follow HIM.

I think we get all caught up, in things much deeper than what we are able to comprehend, we put God in a nice little box, make up rules and doctrines, thus estranging God from us, by adding to the work of Christ.

We misunderstand so many things, and God is so deep...

For example I think we (or some of us)as "Christians" interchange "The Word" and "The Bible" as if they are one and the same.

Yet they are not...one is historically true, and contains truth, is truth (as correctly discerned,revealed by spirit, and interpreted).
It was a spoken word to someone other than yourself, it was then written down, and protected by God, preserved for us.

The spoken word is different, and Jesus says we must and will hear his voice. OR we are not his sheep.

One can become the other, if God moves upon it. The bible says; "The word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah" It does NOT say "The bible came unto Jeremiah".

John one is NOT a reference to Jesus in his humanity. The topic and subject IS "THE WORD" a direct link to Genesis Ch 1. It is about "THE WORD" becoming (becoming means it was not always that way)...becoming flesh, and that was Jesus the man. Who they handled, touched, and knew...

Can you imagine the 12 arguing about the meaning of Jn Ch 1...I do not think it happened.

I do NOT think the Ecklesia is confused. For she lays next to Christ her lover, and husband, and he whispers in her ear, things the concubines can never hear. Even if they claim to hear him, even if they claim to know him as the bride does, they do not.

Take God out of the equation and you miss it, without God, the bible is worthless ink on paper...

My salvation experience came without a bible or doctrine, my salvation experience is a communion of relationship. I am held by him...He keeps me, I do not keep myself.
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Rom:
You mention Jeremiah,I'm sorry to say you are wrong on this.

Jeremiah 36:
1 And it came to pass in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, that this word came unto Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
2 Take thee a roll of a book, and write therein all the words that I have spoken unto thee against Israel, and against Judah, and against all the nations, from the day I spake unto thee, from the days of Josiah, even unto this day.
3 It may be that the house of Judah will hear all the evil which I purpose to do unto them; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin.
4 Then Jeremiah called Baruch the son of Neriah: and Baruch wrote from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the LORD, which he had spoken unto him, upon a roll of a book.
8 And Baruch the son of Neriah did according to all that Jeremiah the prophet commanded him, reading in the book the words of the LORD in the LORD's house.
10 Then read Baruch in the book the words of Jeremiah in the house of the LORD, in the chamber of Gemariah the son of Shaphan the scribe, in the higher court, at the entry of the new gate of the LORD's house, in the ears of all the people.

John 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
2 Timothy 3:
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Every word in the "original langauges" is from the mouth of God.We will either cling to this truth or we in our "own wisdom" will follow those things that "we" want to believe.

Rom:
Believe me I take nothing personal,and I don't follow the minds of men.

ROMANS 3
4 God forbid: yea, let GOD BE TRUE, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.


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I do NOT think the Ecklesia is confused. For she lays next to Christ her lover, and husband, and he whispers in her ear, things the concubines can never hear. Even if they claim to hear him, even if they claim to know him as the bride does, they do not.

Where do you get such nonsense? where in the word of God did it ever say Christ had a lover,etc..? you have gotton this from mere men of whom you accuse me of getting my understanding.

Your qoute:Take God out of the equation and you miss it, without God, the bible is worthless ink on paper...

GOD IS THE BIBLE:Who place the words in the mouths of the people who pen the Bible.It is a reflection of the mind of God.

Ephesians:1
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Again,either we are of the elected before the foundation of the world or we are not,there is no inbetween.

Rom,I like you and I have shared truth with you,but your assumptions are just that,asumptions and are out of your own mind,not the word of God.

1Thess:5
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

These are two sets of different people,you will have to seek understanding of with group you belong too.

This isin't even a debate,I have provide many,many scriptures and you have provided only opinions from your own mind.

Sorry,i hope you will seek the mercy of God before it is too late!

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I guess we could go back and forth forever. But I have no desire for that.

The truth of the matter is we must "Experience Christ". That is God's desire. We must know HIM, it is an intimate word in the Greek...

Yet I don't need to know Greek to know the truth. In fact to know Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin, or any other language spoken in the time of Jesus, didn't help people understand Jesus then, nor will it help anyone now.

As I said this is not personal. I am only sharing my heart with you. I would say, it is possible and likely you are smarter than myself. It is also possible you are much more learned and disciplined than I...

It is also possible you know a lot about Christ, and yet don't know Him...I guess that could be said of all of us. For we hope to be "Ecklesia / Bride"...

The wheat and the tare grow together, and in fact they look so much alike, that this likeness is the very thing that could deceive the elect...This supernatural / natural sowing, done by Christ, and the enemy of God, is a true happening, it is not just a parable. It is spiritual truth spoken by Christ in parable form, that has occurred.


Again I state a fact, and you don't REALLY address it...The word, the scriptures, can be the same, they can both live. But it takes God to make the scriptures come alive to you.

IF HE DOES NOT REVEAL THEM TO YOU. IT IS TEXT ON PAPER... This is why the pharisees were addressed concerning the scriptures as they were, by Jesus himself.

You share scriptures and doctrines, I speak of life in Christ. Christ is to be experienced. HE is the truth. HE is the way. He is the life. He is a person. The song of Solomon, is a type of Christ the lover...Thus I am confused by your attempt to call the text of scripture or its meaning or myself as "ridiculous"... The whole bible is about God's love and God being a lover. A lover determination to reveal himself to man.

The commandment came that they might be judged as unable to keep it, thus opening the door for God to sent Christ, the sacrifice. In fact the fall was planned and organized by God, without the fall, and God "NOT" "KEEPING" Adam and Eve from sin, we would have no promise of Heaven, No Rapture, No Christ, No New Testament, No experience of God.

Again..."The Word" as noted in Jn 1 is a direct reference to Gen 1. The Word and God are inseparable. God is his word. And the word is always spoken of in a masculine type, in the Greek.

I'm not planning on going back and forth much more over these simple fundamental issues, that should be apparent to anyone who is in Christ.
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I guess we could go back and forth forever. But I have no desire for that.

The truth of the matter is we must "Experience Christ". That is God's desire. We must know HIM, it is an intimate word in the Greek...

Yet I don't need to know Greek to know the truth. In fact to know Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin, or any other language spoken in the time of Jesus, didn't help people understand Jesus then, nor will it help anyone now.

As I said this is not personal. I am only sharing my heart with you. I would say, it is possible and likely you are smarter than myself. It is also possible you are much more learned and disciplined than I...

It is also possible you know a lot about Christ, and yet don't know Him...I guess that could be said of all of us. For we hope to be "Ecklesia / Bride"...

The wheat and the tare grow together, and in fact they look so much alike, that this likeness is the very thing that could deceive the elect...This supernatural / natural sowing, done by Christ, and the enemy of God, is a true happening, it is not just a parable. It is spiritual truth spoken by Christ in parable form, that has occurred.


Again I state a fact, and you don't REALLY address it...The word, the scriptures, can be the same, they can both live. But it takes God to make the scriptures come alive to you.

IF HE DOES NOT REVEAL THEM TO YOU. IT IS TEXT ON PAPER... This is why the pharisees were addressed concerning the scriptures as they were, by Jesus himself.

You share scriptures and doctrines, I speak of life in Christ. Christ is to be experienced. HE is the truth. HE is the way. He is the life. He is a person. The song of Solomon, is a type of Christ the lover...Thus I am confused by your attempt to call the text of scripture or its meaning or myself as "ridiculous"... The whole bible is about God's love and God being a lover. A lover determination to reveal himself to man.

The commandment came that they might be judged as unable to keep it, thus opening the door for God to sent Christ, the sacrifice. In fact the fall was planned and organized by God, without the fall, and God "NOT" "KEEPING" Adam and Eve from sin, we would have no promise of Heaven, No Rapture, No Christ, No New Testament, No experience of God.

Again..."The Word" as noted in Jn 1 is a direct reference to Gen 1. The Word and God are inseparable. God is his word. And the word is always spoken of in a masculine type, in the Greek.

I'm not planning on going back and forth much more over these simple fundamental issues, that should be apparent to anyone who is in Christ.
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Rom,I believe I answer everything you ask. I don't disagree with a lot of what you saying,other areas we have different understanding.Lets just leave it alone,thanks for coming here and know there are no ill feelings whatsoever.

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What about Yaldaboath? Who's the real God of the bible? Is this judgment for the material only or for the material and eternal realms?
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Where do you get your crack?
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Sure No problem, May God's blessings be yours. Nothing personal, just speaking about what I believe, as you were. I have to be real to what I hear on the inside...Can't go backwards...Hope you understand...


Rom,I believe I answer everything you ask. I don't disagree with a lot of what you saying,other areas we have different understanding.Lets just leave it alone,thanks for coming here and know there are no ill feelings whatsoever.

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Harold Camping is a fraud

Followers continue to listen to Camping despite the fact that he was wrong in his previous prediction of the end of the world. In his book 1994? he claimed there was a very high likelihood that the world would end in September 1994, although he did acknowledge in the book "the possibility does exist that I could be wrong."[4] He makes no mention of this failure when establishing his new claims of the end of the world in October 2011.

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Harold Camping is a fraud

Followers continue to listen to Camping despite the fact that he was wrong in his previous prediction of the end of the world. In his book 1994? he claimed there was a very high likelihood that the world would end in September 1994, although he did acknowledge in the book "the possibility does exist that I could be wrong."[4] He makes no mention of this failure when establishing his new claims of the end of the world in October 2011.

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Example: Did Thomas Edison get it right the first time he devople the light bulb?When you took the training wheels off you bike and rode it the first time did you fall off?

1994? had a question mark(?)he did say it was a "high likelihood",but we could have miss something.In the book 1994? 2011 was listed eleven times that it could be the time.(the only difference was his miss understanding of the verse "that those days will be shorten for the elects sake" instead of 2300 days it is 23 years or 8400 days.Since then the Bibical evidence has become more and more overwhelming and a lot of it came from different sources that support perfectly the 23 year tribulation starting on May 21 1988 (end of the church age).

On his radio program he has stated countless times we did not have all the information.The point is you need to look at all the information for yourself and be as the Berens to search the scriptures to see if these things are true or not.

Many diligent bible students have done just this and not one can find fault in any of the Biblical time table.There some differences in whether the "catching up"(rapture) will take place on May 21 2011 or at the end of the 153 days on October 21 2011,that is basiclly,the only difference.

You can put your focus on a man to rationalize your unbelif just as I am sure they did when Noah built and entered the ark and the Bible says they were all loss.
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No Bro,
May/21/2011 is the second month on the seventh day 600th year of Noah (4990BC) in the Biblical calender,exactly 7,000 years to the day!
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May/21/2011 is the second month on the seventh day 600th year of Noah (4990BC) in the Biblical calender,exactly 7,000 years to the day!
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That may be true..but that DOES NOT guarantee anything will happen. And this man that predicts this has already been wrong several times. And it only takes one wrong prophecy to prove he is wrong, was wrong and according to God's word ALWAYS WILL BE WRONG!
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May/21/2011 is the second month on the seventh day 600th year of Noah (4990BC) in the Biblical calender,exactly 7,000 years to the day!
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So you are one of those types who follows people like David Koresh, or those Heavens Gate people. And when this doesnt happen. Would you please wake up and follow GODS word instead of some MAN.
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May/21/2011 is the second month on the seventh day 600th year of Noah (4990BC) in the Biblical calender,exactly 7,000 years to the day!


That may be true..but that DOES NOT guarantee anything will happen. And this man that predicts this has already been wrong several times. And it only takes one wrong prophecy to prove he is wrong, was wrong and according to God's word ALWAYS WILL BE WRONG!
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I'm sorry to tell you,but the "BIBLE" guarantees it will happen! It's no doubt that if the message can't be found to be in error there is no other recourse but to attack the messenger.The problem is HC is only one of many with different time paths that came to the same conclusion.

Before someone make false statments without knowing the facts I suggest a little research before making them.

(copied from an email)
I would like to note that in the book Mr. Camping wrote 1994?
Mr. Camping does have the year 2011 if you look at the page 495 it states (If it were that length of time, it seems it would fit perfectly with God's perfect plan of 7000 years. Judgment Day would be 2011 AD.) this is right out of the book 1994? as it said on page 495 the very top of the page, it is there and on many other pages and as this book was first copied righted in 1992, and if anyone has any knowledge of how a book is written we must know that Mr Camping had this information for at least 1 or 2 years before this.(private infomation deleted) Mr Camping at that time thought because 1994? was the 50th jubile year from the days of Daniel, is the reason he thought 1994? might be the last year, but many times he stated might. As I said before 1994? with the question mark was on every page of that book most people ignored this. MR. Camping also had the 17 years, that we now know are the last years of this world, you can see that the 17 years are mentioned on page 492 and many other pages, he got that time frame because of the age of Joseph when he was sold by his brothers. On the pages 223 & 237 the 23 years of judgment are mentioned, and is also on many other pages. Page 516 points out May 21 as a very important day. Then page 211 talks about the sin of homosexuality as a sign of the end. Also on page 479 at the very bottom the very last sentence states (The year 2011 must also be kept in mind.) Most people will not go back to this book 1994? to read it because they say it is heresy. But it is not it is an excelent Bible study and when studied with the other Bible studies "The End of the Church Age and After", "Wheat and Tares" and "Time has an End" and the new booklets with the end time information it clears up any misunderstandings of the time frame, it showes the path of a very truthful Bible study. Now Mr. Camping is the first to point out his mistakes, but people that do not understand how to study the Bible will not understand that this is what all true Bible teachers should do. Also Mr. Camping will be the first to state don't take my word for it READ the BIBLE, please! This is the largest problem, many people just hear from other people what Mr. Camping said or did and do not go to God's word the Bible to find out if it is true, like the Bereans of old (Acts 17: 10 & 11 "...And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea:..." ".... These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so...")
May we all be as these Bereans and search the Scriptures daily,
May God have mercy on us all,
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Copied from an email..

I wrote the following back in Jan. of 2010. Even today, I am seeing
online comments concerning the year 2011 and the suggestion that 1994
was just another missed year from Mr. Camping. I don't think people
understand how God reveals things at different intervals of time. There
is also something to be said about a real fear concerning that great
day. It may be easier to "mock" and "jeer" then to face the reailty of
God's coming judgment. God's perfect timing allows us to know certain
things the closer we are to the period of time in which the verses speak
of. In other words, it does not come "all at once." God is still
revealing things through His Word. F.R. should consider placing a pdf
online showing these verses concerning the year 2011 from the book 1994?
Since some want to still use the year 1994 as another "failed
prediction," it would be a wise thing to show what the book 1994? was
actually saying.

In Defense of the Book 1994?

The book 1994?, which was written by Harold Camping (©1992), stated
another year besides 1994 as a date for Christ's return. The original
year was the year 2011 but was adjusted due to one verse which mentions
the shortening of the days (Matthew 24:22). This review is for those who
have never read the book 1994? Much of the information from the book
still stands. 1994 was an important year (a Jubilee year) in the final
years of God's salvation plan. The following quotes are from the book
1994?- We can see how the year 2011 was an original calculation.

1994? – Chapter, The year of Christ's Return Continues to Unfold-
Page 491

"The first world existed for slightly more than 6000 years-6023 years to
be exact (11,013 B.C. - 4990 B.C.). How long will the present earth
last? If God is using the number seven to indicate the perfection of
God's salvation plan, we would logically assume that the earth that
began after the flood in 4990 B.C. would have its end exactly 7000 years
later. That would bring us to the year 2011."

So how was the year 2011 originally eliminated as a possibility in the
book 1994? Mr. Camping felt the shortening of the tribulation period (23
years) would cause the coming of Christ to be earlier. This was based on
an assumption that Daniel's 2300 evening and mornings would be the
entire length of the Great Tribulation period. It was also based on the
following verse in Matthew 24.

Matthew 24:22: And except those days should be shortened, there should
no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be
shortened.

Through study of God's word, Mr. Camping later discovered that duration
of the tribulation periods all had one thing in common (see below). On
page 496 of the book 1994?, Mr. Camping makes the following statements:

Chapter 13-Twenty Three Years –The Expected Time Duration (page
496-1994?)

"When we place into the same time arrangement an expected tribulation
period of twenty-three years we begin to find harmony. If we subtract
twenty-three years from 2011 A.D. we come to the year 1988 A.D. Adding
2300 days brings us to 1994..."

"Now we should carefully examine another question. Why would God shorten
the final tribulation period from twenty-three years to 2,300 days?"

Since passing the year 1994 we have learned that God's period of latter
rain continues for 17 years and ends in the year 2011.

Zechariah 10:1: Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the LATTER RAIN;
so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to
every one grass in the field.

This misunderstanding of God shortening the 23 years to 2,300 days could
have been made by anyone studying God's Word. Even Isaac Newton made a
miscalculation thinking the 2,300 days were actually 2,300 years (I
dedicated an entire Chapter on this in my book). Matthew 24:22 is an
extremely hard verse to understand. If the shortening of the days would
mean that God allowed a seventeen year latter rain period past the 2300
days, for the sake of the elect, then we can see how God's mercy would
continue unto the year 2011, which was an offered year by Mr. Camping in
his book 1994?. Mr. Camping, in his book Time Has an End, which was
written after the book 1994?, showed how all tribulation periods in the
Bible have the number 84 as a common denominator. This is seen by the
following tribulation periods from the chapter entitled Patterns:

Israel's 70 year Tribulation period = 840 months

Jacob's 7 year Tribulation period = 84 months

The Great Tribulation period of the end = 8,400 days which is 23 years

In the online book www.timehasanend.org < [link to www.timehasanend.org] ,
Mr. Camping places the following dates as significant times in the
history of the world.

Creation 11,013 B.C. to the flood 4990 B.C. = 6023 years (23 being a
number of judgment in the Bible)

The flood in 4990 B.C. to 2011 A.D. = 7000 years

Creation 11,013 B.C. to 2011 A.D. = 13,023 total years

We then have a number of 23 (judgment) showing up at the time of the
flood and also in the year 2011 being 13,023 years since creation. The
2,300 evening/mornings spoken of in Daniel began at the 13,000 year
anniversary of creation in the year 1988. The great tribulation period
is about the time when there is a great falling away in the houses of worship as Satan comes with signs and lying wonders working through
"ministers" (2 Thessalonians 2:3). This period of time lasts 8,400 days
and ends on May 21, 2011. Since May 21, 2011 (7,000 years from the
flood) lines up with the Biblical 17th day of the second month, in which
the Bible records the flood beginning, some have suggested that May 21
is the day of the rapture or ressurection of the believers. This is also
based on one important verse found in 2 Peter 3 which compares the
coming of Christ to Noah's flood. There will be much more information
presented from 2 Peter 3 but here are some verses which shows how God
views time:

2 Peter 3:5: For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word
of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water
and in the water:

2 Peter 3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one
day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one
day.

So here we all are in the year 2010 and we are rapidly approaching the
year 2011, which was the optional year mentioned in the book 1994? It is
also the year of the 7,000th anniversary of the flood. There are those
in the media who are writing articles or broadcasting radio clips
concerning the warning of the year 2011. They may feel comfortable using
terms "false prophet" or "doomsday cult" when speaking of those who are
declaring 2011 as the year of Christ return. However, I would not at all
feel comfortable in doing so in light of Biblical information presented.
The Bible defines false prophets as coming with false signs and wonders
(Matthew 24:24) and denying Christ (2 Peter 2:1). Their own accusations
in these articles do not even match the Biblical definition of a false
prophet. Then of course, there is the Biblical truth that those who are
not watching for Christ's coming, it will come as a thief in the night
for them (1 Thessalonians 5). The believers are commanded to watch so
that day will not overtake them as a thief.

1Thessalonians 5:2: For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the
Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Revelation 3:3: Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and
hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on
thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon
thee.

The Bible lets us know that the mocking concerning the promise of His
coming will be great near the end (2 Peter 3:3). We can expect this
level of mocking to increase. It does not change the truth that the
Bible compares the flood of Noah's day to Christ's coming in power and
great glory (2nd Peter 3). The year 2011 is 7,000 years since the flood
(4990 B.C.). Since God views time being one day as a thousand years and
a thousand years as a day, this should at least alarm some to "dig
deeper" into some of the truths found in the Bible. The sad conclusion
is that some people will not investigate these things. However, others
will pay close attention to how God has used the past judgments to allow
us to know the timing of Christ's return. God will awaken His own people
to these truths.

While I am not in complete agreement with Mr. Camping concerning the
final five months in the year 2011, nevertheless, I will speak up where
misguided and disinformation is being proclaimed in the media such as
false prophet, doomsday cult and the use of the misguided word
numerology (Biblical numbers have nothing to do with numerology). As
seen in this review of the book 1994?, we can all misunderstand a verse
here and there only to later find that God is still revealing
information from His Word. The Bible is God's Word, and it is His
salvation program. We approach it very carefully and with admiration
that God allowed us to know anything concerning the most important
future event, the coming of Christ in power and great glory. At this
point in history, if we think we know all information concerning how God
governs and controls this world, and concerning His salvation plan, then
we should be reminded of the declarations which God gave to Job. We then
should shrink in humbleness since we all know very little compared to
God's eternal wisdom and knowledge. God spoke and brought this world
into existence. Who are we?

Job 38:1: Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2: Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3: Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and
answer thou me.
4: Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if
thou hast understanding.
5: Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath
stretched the line upon it?
6: Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the
corner stone thereof;
7: When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted
for joy?
8: Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had
issued out of the womb?
9: When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a
swaddlingband for it,
10: And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
11: And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall
thy proud waves be stayed?
12: Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the
dayspring to know his place;
13: That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked
might be shaken out of it?
14: It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
15: And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm
shall be broken.
16: Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked
in the search of the depth?
17: Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the
doors of the shadow of death?
18: Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou
knowest it all.

God's will be done as we approach the coming of Christ in the year 2011.

©2011studies

Revelation 3:11: Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast,
that no man take thy crown.

2 Thessalonians 1:6: Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to
recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
7: And to you who are troubled REST WITH US, when the Lord Jesus shall
be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking
vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our
Lord Jesus Christ:

There are less than "19" weeks remaining before Judgment day!
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129 days remaining until Judgment Day (The Last Day)It begins May 21, 2011.There are only 4 Months 10days left. Today is the Day of Salvation!
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ONLY GOD WILL KNOW THE DAY AND HOUR. GUESS ALL YOU WANT. YOU ARE WRONG! dumbass
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ONLY GOD WILL KNOW THE DAY AND HOUR. GUESS ALL YOU WANT. YOU ARE WRONG! dumbass
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He knows and now "his people" know through his word alone.
Please provide scriptures of your conclusions,if you look through this thread (many links)carefully you will see there is overwheming evidence that this is going to happen.
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So when it doesnt happen is god not real

Why have there been so many people before you providing 'guaranteed' Judgement dates and all of them have been wrong. What makes MAY 21 2011 any more credible than those past predictions?



Because the Bible is the word of God and the Bible has revel this information in our day,it has always been there!

There is zero doubt that this will happen! no one can be convince unless God has open your spiritual eyes,i can't make anyone believe.

If you have a question please go to the above mention forum and ask,you will find a lot of people who have a vast range of knowledge of this.

It is foolish not to at least seek out the matter.





I have fully investigated this, and Harold Camping is a madman. I listen to him regularly, for the entertainment value, because I will say... He IS funny!!

I wonder if he'd be willing to give me all his money and property on May 20th.
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So when it doesnt happen is god not real

Why have there been so many people before you providing 'guaranteed' Judgement dates and all of them have been wrong. What makes MAY 21 2011 any more credible than those past predictions?



Because the Bible is the word of God and the Bible has revel this information in our day,it has always been there!

There is zero doubt that this will happen! no one can be convince unless God has open your spiritual eyes,i can't make anyone believe.

If you have a question please go to the above mention forum and ask,you will find a lot of people who have a vast range of knowledge of this.

It is foolish not to at least seek out the matter.





I have fully investigated this, and Harold Camping is a madman. I listen to him regularly, for the entertainment value, because I will say... He IS funny!!

I wonder if he'd be willing to give me all his money and property on May 20th.

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Where did you get your perdiction that this will not happen?It didn't come from the Bible.

"ALL" other predictions claiming it is the end of the world were out of "visions,dreams,a word of knowledge,etc..Not one came from the Bible alone.

You have posted your mocking before on this same thread.

You say you fully investigated this?Then you have no understanding whatsoever.Even the "most skeptics" can not deny the prefection of the Biblical calander and that this is only a fraction of the many,many other biblical proofs.

His (HC) or anyones else property/money will be of no value come May 21 2011.

Again,you speak foolishness with nothing to back up your perdiction.This message of Judgment is for those who will here his voice,you are only condemming yourself by not seeking Gods mercy.

I pray you are "awaken" before it is too late!!
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Why have there been so many people before you providing 'guaranteed' Judgement dates and all of them have been wrong. What makes MAY 21 2011 any more credible than those past predictions?
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There are many websites trying to confirm this day, it's just doesn't make any sense to me.

In the end, only God knows the day and hour yet all these fanatics thinks they can figure it out.

Quiet lame!
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Why have there been so many people before you providing 'guaranteed' Judgement dates and all of them have been wrong. What makes MAY 21 2011 any more credible than those past predictions?


There are many websites trying to confirm this day, it's just doesn't make any sense to me.

In the end, only God knows the day and hour yet all these fanatics thinks they can figure it out.

Quiet lame!
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How you check out this information for yourself?

Please post something of value instead of your basic reaction.

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