The "BIBLE" Guarantees MAY 21 2011 is Judgment day! Ask a question

OP, you said in a earlier post:
if it is not from the word of God (Bible Alone)it is not relevent to truth.

now you say:
Most of "My" post are my understanding of what I have learn from the word of God and by his grace alone.

So ... let me know were exactly stay this "May 21, 2011" ... either is in the Book or in your "understanding" ?

If you are not able to come up with a specific mention of this in the Bible ... then, let it go ... God is watching you know?

This will be the last time I will respond to your Ignorance just to show eveyone else you have no Idea what you are talking about.You are welcome to come and post your foolishness all you want because it will continue to keep this on page 1 and I think you for that.


When we look at the sending forth of the Gospel during the church age, we must take note of the two witnesses of Revelation 11. These two witnesses represent the true believers. Initially, they identify with the true believers in the churches during the church age. The command to go into all the world with the Gospel had been given at the beginning of the church age. The carrying out of this command was typified by the two witnesses of which the Bible speaks in Revelation 11. Revelation 11:3,4 declares:

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

The two witnesses are identified in Revelation 11:4 as two olive trees and two candlesticks. The two olive trees identify with the olive tree of Romans 11:16-24. This underscores that these two witnesses represent true believers.
The two witnesses identify with the two candlesticks. This immediately identifies with the church age. Revelation 1:20 and Revelation 2:1 teaches us that symbolically, each church is represented by a candlestick amongst which Christ walks. The candlestick represents the light of the Gospel as it is sent out into the world during the church age by the churches and during the latter rain by the true believers who are altogether outside of the churches.
The number two (two witnesses, two olive tree, two candlesticks), identifies with true believers who faithfully bring the Gospel. Remember Jesus sent the twelve disciples out two and two (Mark 6:7) and the seventy two and two (Luke 10:1).
We see the end of the church age in the death of these two witnesses, as we read Revelation 11:7, which declares:

And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

The death of the two witnesses identifies with the destruction of the church. Satan is loosed at the beginning of the Great Tribulation and is allowed by God to destroy the churches.
Revelation 11:3-4;testimony;finished;killed;driven out;silenced;gospel;world;end

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i am absolutely confident that what i have stated regarding this group will occur as a result of failed prediction. once again for reiteration sake, these are as follows:

1. an explanation by leader will be given to the effect: "the time was not right for christ to come to judge mankind. the world is not yet ready" whereby another date is set; OR

2. leader changes interpretation slightly saying that christ has come but invisibly, and that mankind is instead experiencing some sort of "spiritual" judgement, invariably something which is going on that is unseen to human eyes. these two explanations, if handled correcly, allow to escape a certain amount of public humiliation; OR

3. leader will retreat with hardcore followers into some secluded neck of the woods whereby they become more fundamentalist, paranoid, and possibly militant in nature, inevitably leading to brushes with the authorities and ultimately armed conflict or mass suicide. hopefully this is something that won't have to occur.

there may be some exceptions to the above in how leader will manage failure. he may even have a contingency already in place to deal with the situation when it arises. at any rate, i do believe my "predictions" to be more accurate and await pending satisfaction.

the scriptures foretold there would be myriads of false prophets arising and misleading legions in the final days based on their narrow-minded interpretation of biblical prophecy. history shows a long line of failures in the prophetic-date-setting department. i will happily sell house and follow this camping individual to the ends of the earth should his predictions of christ's rapture on 5/21/2011 prove true.

ditch the cult

If you are going provide prophecy it has no validation without backing it up with scripture,you are strickly adding your own spin and nothing more.Unless you can become a diligent Bible student and follow Biblical rule comparing scripture to scripture,spiritual to spiritual you thoughts and opinions are that of a fallible and deluded mine.

If you want to dispute any information concerning the soon return of Christ that is laid out in the various web sites on this thread I beceech you to do so. I will "warn" you that man,many diligent Bible students did as the Berens search and see(test) if these things are true or not and "NOT ONE" can show one single evidence that this information is false,the reason being? THERE IS NO DISPUTING THIS!!

I am sorry that your spiritual eyes are not open to truth,but your only option (enviroment)is to cry out (broken and contrite heart)to a holy God and plead for mercy that he might save you,Otherwise if you do not become save within the next 19 weeks and Christ comes as a thief to you or anyone else all hope will be loss and you will enter into the day of judgment on your own.

Peace

Hey O.P 2454...

I want to share my testimony and 4 very unusual dreams with you. These dreams were not like my normal, incoherent, silly dreams. These were as if I were REALLY THERE. Most of the things in the dreams I do NOT understand, like the stars doing the "Warp 9" thing, but I post them for you to read anyway..


MY STORY:

I came from a violent home, (drugs, alcohol, gun shots, being chased with knives, people thrown through picture pane windows), in fact I was born three months early because my father kicked my mother in the stomach, I was born weighing two pounds nine ounces, this was DEC of 1956.

As early as 7yrs old, I was out on the streets till 3-4am, I was put in three orphanages... One night I remember, my father snuck into our house, he put a loaded pistol in my hand and told me too shoot my sisters and my mother, it was crazy. Through all of this, (which I wouldn't change), I came out a fairly normal kid, I was involved in sports and didn't do drugs, or drink. I thought I was a survivor, wanting only too make it through another day.

At age 16 (in 1974) I started too sense a need in my life, an emptiness that I couldn't explain. I knew I had too find God/Jesus, but who was HE? I had no idea where too find HIM, so I went to the local library to find books concerning world religions, God, and the occult. At the library I met an ex hippie (Gary Osborn) he saw my books and decided too share the message with me. Gary invited me to pray in the back of his V.W. so I did, I remember saying "God forgive me for my sins, and whatever you have for me I want it all".

Well at first nothing happened I expected, lightening or something. Gary said, "Just go home and praise God" I said, "What’s that, mean" Gary said, "Just thank him" So I did just that.

The remaining is sacred to me, before I asked Jesus into my heart, I never heard voices, I never drank, and I never did drugs, but one week after meeting Jesus while in the middle of my last class (during high school) A voice, just as clear, as someone standing next too you, spoke, and as the voice spoke it said to me, "rod tell them about Jesus" I was surprised, but unafraid, I put my hand over my mouth, since I didn't want anyone too think I was talking too myself, I said (to whoever spoke too me) "I don't know what to say" the voice said "don't be afraid, I'll give you the words to say" To this day I don't remember my words, but I spoke too those kids about Jesus and salvation, their mouths just dropped open and then, class was over, I walked out of that room, feeling like I had never felt before.

The next day was Saturday; I slept in the living room on an old couch. When I woke it was early and I decided too turn on the TV, to watch my favorite cartoon, the roadrunner.

As I sat there watching the TV, I got up and looked outside, everything was so beautiful, (I never appreciated nature, I just wanted too make it thru another day). BUT now it was so pretty, I sat back down on the couch, and as I did I was somewhere else.

I was sitting at a long rough hewn table, to my right was God, the father, I couldn't see him, to my left was Satan, him I could see (he looked like a man only very big) then in front of me was Jesus, three bowls appear, filled with what looked like porridge. Now the father spoke and said Satan dismiss yourself, Satan stood and screamed, then vanished. Three bites were taken out of the bowl. Then all at once I was watching myself from a distance, walking with Jesus up a grassy pathway. Jesus was speaking to me but from a distance I couldn't hear him, I could see myself shaking my head (like I understand) then thru my eyes I saw the house where I had been sleeping.

I didn't know what had happened; I'd never experienced anything like that, but I knew two things, I had too find a pastor to talk too, and I KNEW GOD loved me and wanted something from me...my total surrender, my life totally under his control, every second, moment by moment, and I was consumed with this one desire, to live too PLEASE HIM. Let me give you an example: When a friend from school would come over and say, "Hey rod." "Let’s go to a show" I'd say, "hold on." Then Id go in the bathroom and pray, "Lord should I go?" Sometimes the Lord would say "go", sometimes "no" At times He was silent, when this happened I would look inside, to my heart, (Spirit), (see Colossians 3:15) if I had peace I would go, If not, Id stay home.

As I practiced this new desire, (surrender), I noticed the voice of the Lord became more frequent and clearer, (John 10:27). It always had to agree with scripture. The word of the Lord will always agree with the true meaning and / or the true interpretation of scripture).

I new I needed to get a bible, I went to a bookstore and I got the largest family bible Id ever seen, with pictures and everything. I was so happy. That night the voice of the lord said, "Read Matthew 5." I had to look in the contents; I didn't know where Matthew was. When I found it and started too read, the words became a ("Word of the Lord to me") they just jumped off the page, they seemed to come alive, and they filled me, with hope, love and peace. Now I knew God loved me, and my sins were gone, I was forgiven...

As time passed I grew, sometimes Id walk into a busy office or building (like a D.O.L) and the Lord would say go sit by that guy, I would strike up a conversation, then say "you don't know me but I'm a Christian and God is going too share with me about your life" I don't mean simple things like "you have the flu" or "Headaches", but deep, personal things that others couldn't know or even guess. People would usually start to cry and ask "how did you know?” I'd say "I didn't but God knew".

One of the best lessons from the Lord concerning trusting Him happened like this; I was traveling from Philly to Atlantic city, I got on the road, and started to hitch a ride, (it wasn't illegal at that time) within one hour and twenty minuets I was in Atlantic city (which was a one hour drive!) I got 4 different rides, as I stepped into each vehicle I boldly proclaimed "Hi I'm a child of the King, and God's going to bless you for picking me up!" God gave me very personal details about each of those people and all but one came to Christ.

When I got to Atlantic City, God said "Rod, when you get to the prayer meeting tonight I want you to give all your money, to Johnnie Diaz". I said "Lord that’s all I've got?" (About 300.00) God replied; "you take care of your brothers and sisters in the Lord and I'll take care of you." So upon arriving in Atlantic City, I secretly gave all my money to Johnnie, (this was to cover something for Johnnie that was very personal, so I know he didn't share this with anyone).

That night I asked myself "how am I going to get back to work, tomorrow? I didn't have a penny, not even enough for bus fare, and in my spirit I knew I wasn't to hitch hike, but instead the Lord wanted me on the bus. After sleeping that night and leaving the brothers house the next day, (where the meeting had been held), I started walking to the bus station. As I got closer and closer, I was imagining, "is the drivers going to just “know” he’s suppose to let me ride for free?" But as I approached the depot, a brother named "Chicky" came out of his house and said "rod I think the Lord wants me to give this to you." It was exactly what I needed for bus fare!

This has been a short summary of my life, oh one more thing. Life didn't continue this way for me, I ruined that. I don't live surrendered moment by moment now, or my heart is hidden from me, I'm just not sure. Where does man find the will and desire to live such a life, or is it a gift as is repentance?

Should I confess the most difficult thing in my life with you? After all we are strangers! After living this way for sometime and seeing my life change, and having peace beyond comprehension, I disobeyed the lord after he spoke too me. I lived to obey him, it was my passion…I knew a man, he was a believer, and his name was Bob Chorney. Bob was like the father I never had. Bob is dead now, I loved him very much, and we forgave one another.

One day I went to visit Bob, we talked and prayed for a while then Bob said, "rod", "Paula is gone (Bob's wife). “Why don’t you go to dinner with me"? Immediately the Lord spoke and said "rod don't go" I said Bobby I can't go. He said "oh rod go with me ". I said Bob I can't. I prayed back too the lord, in my mind saying "Lord it will be alright, you know I don’t drink, I'll just eat something with Bob" The Lord didn't reply. So we went. All was well until a brother named Aggie Rodriguez, started to argue with Bob, I couldn't watch, so I started to leave, as I went outside Bob said "Rod if your going to walk you might as well walk all the way back too Washington, and don't come back" OH the pain. Well the next morning, Bob and Paula showed up, Bob said "rod forgive me I'm so sorry", the Lord spoke instantly and said "rod forgive him, go too him tell him it's ok and that you love him". I said "Lord I can't. I won't, it hurts too bad".

Soon I left for Washington. My life, outside of God’s will, was torture. No peace, no answers, sin in total control.

Jean Nicholas Grou says, "God delights in two things, for a man too know God and too know himself." I now know what I'm capable of without him, living life for myself, Sinning, being rebellious. I want to recommend a couple books that I discovered a few years ago, the book is "Practicing the presence" BY Lawrence and Labach, there are two versions this one is best and includes Labach's testimony. "Hinds feet on High places" and "The breaking of the outer man for the release of the spirit" By Watchman Nee are very good also.

Now let me share some thoughts/opinions:

1).How do you describe this LIFE? As a Christian it's hard to do. As I recall moments in my own life, I think of times of stillness, in the midst of activity or in the quiet of night. The presence of His Spirit was there, sometimes speaking other times He was silent, yet the undeniable presence of His Spirit was so real. You couldn't describe it too anyone else, sometimes he was so near, almost physical, at other times He was, just felt, deep in your heart.

I could at times think, and He would answer. Sometimes the answer was spoken, and at other times it was a still small voice in my heart.

Sometimes I would see a person, and while looking at them, I knew about them.

I recall the passion to tell others about him at any given moment, looking for such an occasion never caring where I was, or who was near by.

Constantly His Love moved over me in waves and yet it abode, never departing. I would wake up in the middle of the night and He was there, like a mother hen.

I remember the love for others that was not my own. I remember feeling, and being, separate from the world yet still in its midst.

I recall not worrying about the kind of car I drove, or the condition of my clothes, knowing that He was fully aware of all these things.

I recall being invited out for dinner with brothers, and thinking (silently between myself and God), "Lord I don't have any money, but I'm hungry" and then someone would say "hey rod I'll buy ok?" Do you have days like this?

Do you remember days like this from your past? I believe this is something no one can take from us. This is why WE MUST EXPERIENCE GOD! Experiencing God is more important than the scriptures! You see if you experience HIM then, Bible revelation can be added to you. But if you don't experience HIM first then Bible knowledge is just a compilation of facts, they are true, but they don't have any place of reference, without HIM.

2).Most of my life, at least as far back as I can remember I've had a desire and love for God/Jesus. As I've grown older, I've seen many things in "Christendom", I've seen communes (come and go in failure). I've seen myself and other brothers walk in their own ways (you might call it backsliding), I've been hurt by supposed brothers in Christ, I've seen TV preachers act cocky, and ridiculous, I've seen people chase tithes and money, I've seen people in big churches (faithful tithers) go without help while in need, I've seen people chase their own kingdom and building programs. I've seen people pretend to prophecy, knowing they were not HEARING from HIM, (and in failure, excuse themselves by saying they were practicing), I've seen names in lights (but not Jesus name). I've seen people destroyed by the shepherding movement. I've seen men of god after devoting their lives to "the ministry" destroyed after a single mistake, instead of forgiven. On and on I could go... So does any of the above remind you of the book of acts or the first group of believers?

This is why I believe we must have and will have change. God is not interested in a "body" with spot or wrinkle. As I searched different churches, communities, and internet sites, I've come across a hand full of people that have the essence/smell of life and others who are just religious (relating to God only in their learning and mind), yet I yearn for true brethren and their fellowship, realizing that only God can cause these people to be gathered together and revealed to one another, and have them be in accord with one mind. Jesus may give the gift of eternal life to some, that's His prerogative, but to say all people have the same "experience/fellowship/love relationship" with Jesus or each other is not correct. We see the difference in people (John, Peter, Paul) and we see the same differences through-out time, we see times of revival (1900's, 1940's, 1970's) and in each of these times we see tare and wheat together. We see a time of purity and passion then a colder period, where mens hearts seem to grow cold, and God becomes a forgotten memory.In contrast we never see this in churches (religion), they are always attended by praying people, people arguing scriptures and doctrine, yet hardly ever displaying life as we see in the same revival periods. Yes I believe mercy, calls for a move of God again.

3).We believe the gospel has been preached, from the generosity of America, but I think this is only true in very narrow windows of time (revival 1900's, 1940's, 1970's etc) and only by certain persons (who knew HIM). Then of course there is the occasional believer who is submitted to the (breathings) of the Spirit, this believer shares out of the reservoir of undeniable life (the fellowship between this believer and the Spirit). This bears fruit since it’s not just a message of words but is accompanied by this fellowship and life. The preaching of the gospel by religious folks just doesn't work! How could it, they are not ambassadors of the very Spirit, since they refuse to give up their life thru that act of ultimate (life giving) which is the "surrender of self". The first century church in the New Testament turned the world upside down in a short time NOT because of their words alone but because of the LIFE residing IN them. This was a spirit thing...NOT a mental thing, it wasn't an agreement with certain doctrines or creeds, it wasn't from arguing the scriptures, it wasn't from forming a new church or denomination, they had and were living LIFE like Jesus 24/7 every moment of each day, a life of submission, pleasing the father, a life defined by others as "seeing they had been with Jesus". Being in his presence and service, is the key, Paul called this being a love slave, a life like Paul's multiplied thousands of times over will "again" cause the world to SEE and HEAR the TRUE gospel.

4). In the 1860's 1900's 1940's 1960's we saw the beginning of several moves of God upon people who were desperate to know HIM. They found the one they were seeking for.

Then shortly after in each time period, (even in the new testament) we see charlatans, hirelings move in among the sheep of God, these men who really don't know the master teach doctrines not from revelation via an intimate relationship. But from the minds of others who were also like themselves, who teach only from the tree of knowledge: From the mind of one man to the mind of another, thereby polluting the little sheep and convincing others, because the so-called doctrines of men are believed by the masses also. This is such a subtle thing that it can inhibit your walk, because you’re not discipled but instead taught by men who have never had an intimate walk with God. So as believers we must know Him and find revelation that agrees with the scriptures, and or that changes our understanding of the scriptures.

5). But as I look back...I see of course some differences, the late 60's through the mid 70's were a move of god, especially for the young...We always see (under an anointing) god doing unusual graceful things in the lives of people...So where does an experience in God begin? I have to believe (and remember I'm limited by my mortality and limited knowledge so I could be wrong), it starts with God putting a hunger in your heart....Now if that hunger exists, and it sounds as though it does, for you sound like a seeker...then

I would approach God in a simple fashion, (for me it was doing the only thing I knew to do, I went to the Library to research books about religion and god). then shortly after I prayed with Gary. I just knew in my heart that god wanted my whole life, every thought belonged to him, SO I just started with my thoughts, if I had a thought that came into my mind and it said "give that person a bible" or "tell that person that you are a Christian and that you will be praying for them" then I would obey....

So seek HIM and if you (surrender with all your heart)...I'm sure you will meet HIM, maybe in a different experience, but never the less I'm sure His goal will be the same...To possess your whole heart.

6). A Christian historian tells a true story about a peasant in the 1600's living under the rule of the Catholic Church. The peasant is working the field and a cardinal and his procession go by, as they approach the cardinal speaks to the peasant, about a new edict from Rome. The cardinal quotes a verse of scripture; the peasant replies that the cardinal quoted the verse incorrectly. The cardinal says to the peasant "How would you know, being you are unlearned and illiterate?" The peasant replies: "because the spirit IN ME said you quoted it wrong"!

How true this is, if we only have the book and don't hear that still small voice on the inside, from the throne of our heart the center of HIS kingdom! Then I fear we miss the most important piece of intimacy, yet HIS Word and HIS scriptures work together, one a current guide for us THE NOW and the other, which can still speak but was spoken to another hundreds of years ago, serves as a foundation. But We live by breath, and the words that proceed from the mouth of God, "My sheep know my voice" "for those who are sons of God are led of the spirit of God"



Here is Dream #1:

I was on the head of a beast, in a large body of water (Like the ocean). It was night and the darkness was so real it could be felt. The clouds above were very thick and black. The beast was thrashing as if it wanted to throw me off. I was so afraid!
I was holding on as tight as I could. Then I looked up, and when I did, the clouds opened and rays of light came through the clouds, with the light came that voice that I had heard before and knew so well.

He said "Rod; if I'm ever to use you, I must break you"!
I woke, wet with sweat, shaking...Saying as I woke, "thank you, Lord you haven't forgotten me"

Here is Dream #2:

I am in a church; it is a large church, one that in reality I have never seen. This was a dream that was so real; it was as if I were really there.
In the dream I am cleaning the bathroom floor, on my hands and knees, with a small brush. I stand as a priest comes into the room. I start to speak to him, about spiritual things, he listens, and then I leave the restroom and enter the foyer.

I notice the large room is built in a round fashion and that the windows are also large. People are leaving to go outside. As I exit the building, an earthquake hits, I look up and the sky is doing this "warp 9 star trek" kind of thing. I look to my left and I notice a man is in his car, his head is bleeding, he is dead.

Everyone starts to rejoice, saying "yes that is the big one"! I yell "No". "There is another one coming, and it is much larger"

I start to run for my home, and as I cross a large open area, I reach what looks like a ditch. I jump, but instead of a ditch it a huge open area, a chasm, the ground thousands of feet below! I start to fall so fast, picking up speed as I fall. I yell out "Jesus save me" Something grabs me and lowers me to the ground gently...I start running again.

Here is Dream # 3.

I see a street sign, the name on the sign is Jordan Road. I am walking and then I get picked up by someone in a van. He asks were I'm going and I tell him a few miles ahead.

Then as we reach the destination, I thank him, and look to my right, there is a house in a field. The house is glowing and the light is emanating from the inside of the house, and is visible to me even from a distance.

I know the people within the house are waiting for me, and that I have been somewhere, doing HIS will / work, and that I traveled in a spiritual way, but arrived back in the van.

The love and light from the house are supernatural, the love I feel for them, and the love I perceive from them is not normal love.


Here is Dream # 4:

I am in a large room, with many people, I recognize one or two people, the room is full of people from many different places.

I am standing on a raised platform, that is approx 6-8 inches higher than the floor.

Then I know I am suppose to speak the following words; "Holy Spirit come"...

When I speak the words, God's presence comes very heavy, most fall down, some start to weep and convulse, others are crying for joy.







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This 70 page booklet shows how we arrived at May 21 2011

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Harold Camping is a false prophet and a liar. This date is not in the Bible as judgement day. Camping is a fraud and so is everyone at family radio.

This is an end time deception from satan to discredit the true work of Jesus Christ on the cross.

Judgement Day will happen when God says it will, not some jerk in it for the money. Camping has made millions by his lies. The last laugh is on those who chose to believe it.

Those that do, have no clue what the Word of God really says. If they did, they would know this is bunk.

Again,someone who makes there own prediction without backing it up with scripture and has fail to dispute this truth with "any" scripture!

It is easy to attack the messeniger when you can not fine fault in the message.

Normally,I would not respond to the mocking,but now you come on here and say bold face lies about someone of who you know nothing about,it show great ignorance on your part.

Mr. Camping had a contracting business in the fortys and fiftys,he sold his business to become a full time ministery in radio.

Family Radio is listener sponcered and has faithfully proclaiming the truth of God's word for over 50 years.Family Radio is "WORLDWIDE".Mr. Camping has never recieved "one dime" from Family Radio since he stated the radio station in 1959. Mr. Camping lives in the same house for the last 50 or so years,he drive a car he has had for the last 15 years.

Mr. Camping is just a man like any other man,but who do you know who has studied the Bible for the last 70 years for countless hour per day?

I feel sorry for people like you who will be entering the day of Judgment in about 133 days from now unless God choses to open your eyes.

If this is the way you see God,then it would not matter.

OK I joined love to exchange ideas and thoughts...I live mostly by what I hear on the inside, not much by mans ideas or doctrines...

Here let me give you an idea of what I mean below...


This is a response to a christian person who thought I should live a certain way, they quoted a lot of verses, and "Chritianese"...They accused me of lying, and of making excuses. I am certain this person is NOT living as they suggested I now live:

I live the Christianity I speak of. My life is one that is in need of God, and all his mercy and grace, and I have it. He is with me.

I know not only his words, but also his meaning. His voice is not a foreign sound to me. Why, because he is Father, I am Son, family. Family is not based upon actions or reward.

I am real, and anyone "WHO TRULY KNOWS ME"... Will tell you I speak from the heart. I speak the truth, about myself, and about others, even when it hurts. I say it without emotion. I also admit my faults. If this is hidden from you, then Possibly "YOU JUST DON'T KNOW ME"!

I don't live in sin, nor do I fear it. I don't even try and avoid it, it has become a non issue, it has no power over me. Isn't that what the scriptures promise us...

Just the other day I told someone they were a fucking idiot. Do you think sin is in words and actions alone, or in motive.

If you think its wrong to lie, what about Rahab, the harlot, who told the philistines she had no idea where the Jews were. She lied, but her motive was not to lie, for the sake of lying.

How about Paul, who writes of doing what he does not want to do, is he a sinner, is he a hypocrite. NO! For he freely admits his position. He is being REAL. It was not his eye site...He had been to the third heaven, and God was dealing with his pride. How would eye site, or a broken arm, deal with spiritual pride? Look at all the failures in the O.T
Paul admits the thorn in the flesh, was a moral failure in Romans 6-8

Do you even know what sin is? Is lust the same as passionate love. Lust is wrong because it has no regard for the person, their is no "in-love" involved...Have you read the Old testament about David the murderer.

If you don't believe that God plans and orchestrates everything, then if I understand your theology and doctrine, you and I, are responsible for everything that has happened over the last few yrs. I choose not to lay that on your shoulders. Plus the scriptures are full of stories that display just the opposite, forming a doctrine of God being the master planner.

I hate fake, I love it when people are just real with me. I don't like it, when someone writes me, or speaks to me, and I feel something behind it. A motive that is not real..

Is hate to strong for you? God doesn't love everyone, their are some people that he hates. Look it up in the scriptures...Jesus hated things too.

I hate hypocrisy. I hate it when people are so proud they try to excuse their actions placing blame on others, or try and shift the blame.

You can call me names, call me a freak, say I'm a liar, say I'm making excuses, that I'm thinking thoughts about others that I would NEVER think, or whatever else you want to say...So you can feel right, spiritual or even good about yourself. I don't care...Even if everyone around you says "I'm wrong", "he's so lost", "he is so different now"...

NO I'M REAL, and everyone who REALLY KNOWS ME, knows it. Maybe they won't say it to you, because of fear, maybe they are afraid to admit it openly, but deep down inside they know it, and my history with people who know me, speaks as evidence of this being true.

I don't mind when someone writes me, or tells me they think, I should be this way or that way, or that I should try and be like this or that...But if you communicate to me with some pious, religious, nice sounding spiritual type of communication, disguising it as concern, friendship, or even love… And I feel something on the inside, which speaks differently, than what your communicating, then something is NOT RIGHT. I also don't like the physical drain this puts on me to have to read, and filter everything people say and do, because they are not being real.

Now why would I call any communication religious,...

Because, the Christianity Jesus spoke of "HE LIVED"...The pharisees also spoke about a life. A life thy did "NOT LIVE", and they cast this burden upon others, and Jesus condemned them for this. This kind of christinese... Preaching a life, you do not live, is like an empty egg, the shell looks nice and white, but there is nothing inside, no power.

Now however much you may disagree with my doctrine, or my Christianity I live the same Christianity I preach. Quite possibly our Christianity is different, and not the same. True Power in words written, or spoken are words that are lived, but more than that, they have to come by Spirit.

A religious man (even a christian) can live a holy life, his own family can attest without compulsion or fear of reprisal, that he lives a godly life. But if it is without inspiration, if the SPIRIT give no unction, no leading to live that life, no empowerment...Then it IS RELIGIOUS FLESH, and God is NOT with you.

We see this over and over...People deciding to be pastors, like a man decides to become a painter, God calls some and chooses some. Without God doing so, it is wrong.







Last Edited by rom on 01/06/2011 04:02 PM

Theres some crazy alignment , conjunction this May, its hitting my ascendant and doing crazy stuff, The ascendant is Aries, Noon day sun for me.
But yeah, really weird.

Rom, just to be brief here.

We are all sinners (depraved),we all fall short of the glory of God.It is not my place to Judge,only God know the true nature of anyones heart.

We will have and intense desire to do the will of God.He says if you love me you will keep my commandments,what are his commandments? The whole Bible.It is Gods law book to man.

You mention several people from the Bible and their sins.

Just an example lets take David. David,the Bible says was a man after Gods own heart(David was saved),but David in his sinful nature Committed adultry,murder,and I'm sure many other sins throughout his life.

Did David suffer from these sins (read pslam 51)?absolutely! his grief from this rebellon was unbearable and the son who was concieved through the adultrey died.However, we know through the scriptures his son was saved.The point is when true believers sin against God we will be convicted in our hearts and turn from it and repent,its not to say we will not continue to sin,but as we grow in the lord we will become more sensitive towards sin.

Any astrologers here or Initiates that has looked into May?

The earth is dying and being prepared for Judgment.

Yes, last decades for sure.. Isaac Newton said its all over 2060, and we will walk into the Kingdom of God..But the shift was really December 21, 2010 with the Lunar Eclipse, (Blood moon)

last days...

Hallelujah !

OP, I was a former Christian minister in my teens, But this May date I didnt hear about till recently, How was this figured out and by whom? Were there any astrologers involved?

And did you hear what happened in December 23, 2007?

Just curious, and very excited !

And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away. Revelation 21.

-Al

Hi Al,

This was all derived from the Bible,just for a quick view (way too much details).Some 45-50 years ago it was discovered (some of the time line was many years earlier)that Genesis Ch.5 & 11 and other places was a Biblical timeline of history,through this it was found that the earth is 13,023 years old / the flood was 4990BC/Solomans death was 931BC/Christ Birth was7BC/the cross was 33AD/end of the church age was 1988/1994 was the last Jub.yr/May 21 2011 is the day of Judgment/oct. 21 2011 will be the fullfillment of 2 Peter ch 3 end of the world as we know it.

All the information compiled is so perfect it can not have been done by man,it is an impossibilty.

I suggest to look at all the information for yourself to see whether or not these things are true.

This booklet give detail infomation on how it was found that May 21 2011 will be the day of Judgment without a doubt.

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There are many,many web sites,blogs,etc that supports all of this.It is currently going throughout the world proclaming this truth (EZ:33)and everyone will know about this before May 21 2011.Please don't take my word for it!!

These web sites to me has a lot of detail information,but there are others that are as much are maybe better detailed.

Peace/May this information serve you well!

www.the-latter-rain.com

www.ebiblefellowship.com

www.familyradio.com

Audio: timeline of history

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not going to happen.

Oh, ok, thanks for writing all that. Christians are so skilled with writing, its amazing. Which one of those has a forum, (interaction) I can join and is there any local listings for meet ups etc?

Pastor John Hinkle predicted the end of days a while back also
Just for everyones information noone will know the time or day only God himself knows
just have your soul ready daily then no big deal

I certianly hope no one leaves their eternally in the hands on your say so.

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I belong to these to:

[email protected] (forum started about 10 years)

[email protected] (3 yrs)

Both have Moderators (To keep it clean)

You can join both (anyone)and you will recieve emails in your inbox:You can respond or you can ask questions,etc.)

Hope to see you there.

I remember you have mention Issac Newton before and his dates were from "2011" - 2060.However,he didn't have all this information that was open up to us in our day,but this blog mentions his faithfullness.

[link to october21istheend.blogspot.com]

Oh wow, OP, yes, this is great, I dont have a Yahoo account, but Ill create one to join up,

Im looking forward.

For some reason I cant keep up in a literal (writing) way with Christians, I like symbols more..but it would be great to read. And I have the Faith !

-Al