************ What the ELITE are HIDING from you is HUGE - UNBELIEVABLY HUGE ***********

absolutely

If you're going to try to pass yourself off as someone who has intelligence and knowledge the rest of us don't have, at least learn the English language.

So, the world is going to "descent" into an ice age?
Or is that descend?

Oh balls!

tell this to the animals and people dying of draught!

Great posts, Esoteric Morgan!

It's good to see that there are others who can analyze the changes and piece them together for others to understand!

Please, can you stop with the semantics and put-downs? How many other languages do YOU speak? Give some of these posters a break, try to hear what they are saying between the misspellings and badly conjugated words...

That is some kick ass doom right there.

The guy's from New Zealand, where supposedly, they speak English.

no, all that has been checked. we are talking like shocked -- like you got tazed and you are screaming on the ground. wake up, folks. there are thousands of people complaining of being tortured with DE. you need to know this.

stay ignorant, then.

I am sorry, but I think you just don't know enough about the issue. This is a good website for learning: [link to mindjustice.org]

Typical Canadian tripe. Read between the occasional grammar mistakes asshole...

The book; "Not By Fire,But By Ice" said it in 1976.

The website belongs to this person:
"Cheryl Welsh, director of CAHRA [now Mind Justice] listed as one of six Non-Lethal Weapons Experts in the world in UNIDIR, United Nations Institute for Disarmament Research 2002 Media Guide to Disarmament in Geneva."

As far as i know, the ice age those of you have been anticipating is over, but perhaps if you insist, you will get your own mini ice age.

What he said ^^^^


[link to www.expanding-earth.org]

This article was in 2002


Earth's expanding girth


[link to physicsworld.com]

The most current data continues to show a dying of the entire Thermohaline Circulation System in the Atlantic Ocean. This is indicative of the fact that the dispersants have caused the oil to remain in place below the surface, and according to most reports remain in almost full amounts (up to 80%) long after the BP Oil Disaster began. Since there is no current way to remove this massive amount of free flowing oil below the sea at depths up to one mile deep, it is apt to continue to effect any natural recovery of the Thermohaline Circulation System.

So what does this mean? Violent mixing of the seasons, crop failures, and increased drought and floods in diverse places is now daily news since the April 20th 2010 BP Oil Volcano. They have killed the pacemaker of world climate in the worlds of Dr Zangari PhD. Dr Mike Coffman PhD geologist resource climatologist, and Dr Tim Ball PhD climatologist have confirmed that if this data is correct, that an ice age and massive climate shift with famine is now imminent. We are now seeing Russia stop all delivery of wheat crops on prior contracts, and most sources of staple food crops moving worldwide in a crisis of famine. The Gulf Stream and related currents are effectively DEAD. This should enrage the public and bring forth scientists to challenge and support the data and analysis, for the consequences to the civilization of mankind and ecological collapse have global consequence producing famine, death and massive population migration away from zones of advancing ice age and regions unfit for human habitation. Let us get the facts and call the corporate and government to task on these issues now or face worldwide catechisms of biblical proportions. We shall continue to report with new scientific experts on this most important disaster.

The 'process' of entering a new Ice Age could begin coming upon us in full force (rather like in the movie "The Day After Tomorrow") at any time, or it could take three to five year to fully play out with early glaciation beginning in North America and Europe and Asia this winter (both models have existed in the beginnings of different Ice Ages in Earth's past).

Current sea surface temperature satellite data show pre-Ice Age cooling. A new Ice Age, could kill 2/3 of the human race in the first year in a rapid onset; a slower onset would likely kill close to this number but simply take a handful of years.

Hi AC:

Since I have been having trouble finding indisputable research regarding this, I wonder if you can offer any links.

Between this, and, recent chatter this past summer regarding the the Gulf Stream, I've kept an eye out for info, to no avail.

The Sea Surface Temperature Map I frequent did not seem to offer up any real clues during the warmer summer months; now the the North Altantic is cooling, it seems an impossible feat to rely on such simple data. [link to www.ssec.wisc.edu]

Anyhoo...thanks for posting this additional info in the thread!




Last Edited by esotericMorgan on 11/03/2010 02:07 PM

Dr Gianluigi Zangari PhD from the Frascati Institute is a Theoretical Physicist, who has worked for years with a collaborative network of scientists monitoring the Gulf of Mexico Loop Current and its contribution to the Thermohaline Current System that makes the Gulf Stream that becomes the North Atlantic Drift Current and subcurrents. the final proof was provided that the Gulf Stream had been stopped cold at the 47th longitudinal parallel with a 10 degree Celsius ocean temperature drop, and loss of velocity and energy, so that the Gulf Stream was only able to be measured by satellite to less than one-third the way across the Atlantic ocean. As Dr Zangari stated, this is not the butterfly effect but the 'elephant effect', and with the amount of oil released, the natural system linked as the pacemaker to world climate for millions of years, this was now gone, replaced by an artificial system with a Gulf of Mexico by late July seven degrees Celsius above normals, and totally disconnected Loop Current from the Florida current that becomes the Gulf Stream. In his report on June 12th 2010 in a journal article, the CCAR Colorado data agreed with the NOAA and US Naval Satellites data. He returned to NOAA and US Naval data on the same and later dates and stated by early August that the CCAR data was no longer reliable and his conclusions was not changed in quality or quantity of the serious consequences. His conclusion that 'glaciation' at an unknown pace was inevitable from this disaster.

what up w/that?

yes! let me copy that link.........Valid data seems to disappear quickly and by the time I figure out the info needs to be bookmarked, it disappears (on google anyway).
Your input into this thread have been excellent as well as the OP's.

Simply put... we are going to freeze our ass and soon. These things happen quick within a year or two when things get out of balance.

Mark my word... this winter is going to be one cold m-fer.

If it gets too cold we can just release more co2!

Humans affect climate more than nature, don't you know?

Gore proved it!

Cool, I just bought new earmuffs and mittens last night so will I be safe?

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Its possible op, about the ice age, but the means of how it occurs naggles me, there are other ways a sudden ice period, or extrem weather may occure, astro activity, incomeing or passing near earth objects, has the potential to cause the same effect.

That vocanoe in ice land? that disruppted air traffic awhile back, imagein several or many muiltiple such erruptions happening at the same time, has the potential to block out large sections of the sun, droping world tempertures rapidly.

yeah its been getting colder everyday here for about a month now

[link to www.natmedtalk.com]

Yes that is the point, the weight on the poles is causing the planet to bulge in the middle and spew lava into the sea and out of land volcanoes. So, yes it is the volcanoes which actually cause the ice age but the weight at the poles causes them to do it. I explain the whole process further down on the first page.

There is added things which I have not covered yet, I was trying to keep it simply but we have reduced magnetic field which is allowing in more cosmic rays and we are going into a large comic ray cloud at present and cosmic rays cause clouds and cloud make moister and reflect out sunlight, I will try and find links to this into.

Got me a warm parka, some wool socks and a boat load of dollar store candles. Bring on the ice age. I am ready.

Last Edited by ºEATº on 11/03/2010 03:34 PM

A greatly increased number of cosmic rays are getting through to Earth because our Sun’s magnetic poles, instead of reversing completely, have only rotated halfway and are now more or less lying sideways along the Sun’s equator. Scientists believe that this is due to the way in which the polarity changed during the last solar maximum. This weaker configuration of the magnetic shield is letting in two to three times more cosmic rays (stardust) than at the end of the 1990s. Moreover, this influx could increase by as much as ten times until the end of the current solar cycle in 2012. Solar cycles are approximately eleven years in length.

European Space Agency’s (ESA) Ulysses space probe data is finally making it possible to study how cosmic rays are distributed along the path of the Solar System through the local galactic environment. The space probe is showing us that a flood of dusty particles is heading our way. Astronomers think the current cosmic ray influx, apart from being favoured by the particular configuration of the Sun’s magnetic field, is also enhanced by the thickness of the interstellar clouds into which the Solar System is moving. Currently located at the edge of what astronomers call the local interstellar cloud, our Sun is joining our closest stellar neighbour Alpha Centauri in its dense cosmic ray cloud, which is less hot but denser than where we have been. (this info is a few years old we will we well into this cloud now)

It takes over 70 thousand years to traverse a typical galactic cloud, interestingly this is about the same period of time earth is usually in a glaciated state before the next interglacial period of 10,000 to 15,000 years of warmth returns. Press release 2003 Source: Artemis Society
The Earth’s magnetic field also shields the Earth from cosmic rays , which are radiation produced by astrophysical objects The magnetic field, which extends about 36,000 miles into space, is generated in the Earth’s core – a big ball of solid iron about 1,490 miles in diameter, surrounded by a sea of molten iron, 4,350 miles in diameter.

The magnetic field is not constant as it’s produced by this turbulent flow that’s deep in the Earth’s core. Magnetism trapped in ancient pottery shows that over the past 4,000 years, the magnetic field has weakened by more than 50%. Since people have been measuring, it has been steadily declining. The first measurements were taken about 150 years ago, since then, it’s declined not quite 10 percent. Which shows it is dropping rapidly, as the magnetic field wanes, the protective shield it provides shrinks, thus exposing satellites to damage from cosmic rays and charged particles coming from the sun. Even now satellites can be damaged, if not destroyed, because the protective shield is so weakened.

So there will be many more reflective clouds cooling the planet than previously and this explains Earth’s cooling trend which has been going on for about 4500 years now. The Earth was much warmer by over 6 degrees 4500 years ago.