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Fact, if a person dies in mortal sin (serious/grave), they don't see Heaven. Why true repentance and confession can't be ignored. If it's been awhile, examine your life, the 10 Commandments is a help or check the links to examination of conscience. More is required of Catholics, you must go to Confession.

Another fact, God is perfectly just. The reason every soul must make reparation for the sins of their life. This is done either here by our loving acts, sufferings, and prayers or we atone for our sins after we die in Purgatory.

I post a message from Heaven. The recent Holy Love messages have been about Purgatory.

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October 22, 2010
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(A Poor Soul)

"All Praise be to Jesus - Glory to Mary, Queen and Mother. I come as I have been sent - to dictate to you messages about Purgatory. Do not reject this grace."

(Maureen - visionary): I see an old woman in charred clothing and I smell smoke. She has appeared many times before but has never spoken - so I ignored her.)

Poor Soul: "Purgatory should not be feared, daughter, but seen as a grace. But at the same time, souls should do all in their power to avoid imprisonment here. This is a place of reparation for sins that are forgiven but not atoned for. At the same time, it is a place of preparation for entrance to eternal joy. Here, the soul is perfected if he has not been perfected in the world. The soul is made beautiful in the Eyes of God."

"Because this is a place which prepares the soul to be in God's Presence, it is also a place of separation from God, and this is the greatest suffering of all. The soul, at his last judgment, is in God's Presence, and even temporary separation from this Perfect, Eternal Love is agonizing."

"The prayer that moves the souls most rapidly through Purgatory is the Holy Mass; next is the Holy Rosary. No one needs to believe in Purgatory to be assigned there. Purgatory is a reality - does exist - and disbelief is not an avoidance of this place of reparation. Disbelief, however, if it is dictated by your tenets of faith, can be a reason for a longer stay."

"I will speak soon about various crimes that lead a soul into Purgatory."


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this is purgatory sweetheart
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So you can say a "hail mary" and a soul gets loosed from purgurtory?


So why why did "Yahuwshuwa" have to die if u could just put on a brown scapular from "Mary" and have a promise from her that they would not see the fires of hell?


The Brown Scapular
A gift of love so powerful that it is a major instrument used in God's mercy to deliver souls—even ones with just a shadow of faith—from the fires of hell. A gift of love that Our Lady, herself, says is "a sign of salvation, a protection in danger, and a pledge of peace." This gift of Our Lady's love, the Brown Scapular, she gave to St. Simon Stock and the world on July 16, 1251, contains the beautiful promise, "Whosoever dies clothed in this habit shall not suffer the fires of hell."
[link to www.tldm.org]

also

“If at anytime, you recite in My honor three Hail Mary by calling upon My Flame of Love, each time a soul will be released from Purgatory. During the month of the deceased (November), upon the recitation of each Hail Mary, ten souls will be released from Purgatory. The suffering souls must also feel the effect of grace of the Flame of Love of My motherly Heart.” (October 13, 1962)
[link to www.theflameoflove.org]


Do the math how many hail mary's are said daily?

I know I can account for at least 3 million of those.


People this is the hidden Catholicism that is separate from all their "God" and "Jesus" key words.


But it slaps the sacrifice that Yahuwshuwa gave of himself right across the face...
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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So you can say a "hail mary" and a soul gets loosed from purgurtory?


So why why did "Yahuwshuwa" have to die if u could just put on a brown scapular from "Mary" and have a promise from her that they would not see the fires of hell?


The Brown Scapular
A gift of love so powerful that it is a major instrument used in God's mercy to deliver souls—even ones with just a shadow of faith—from the fires of hell. A gift of love that Our Lady, herself, says is "a sign of salvation, a protection in danger, and a pledge of peace." This gift of Our Lady's love, the Brown Scapular, she gave to St. Simon Stock and the world on July 16, 1251, contains the beautiful promise, "Whosoever dies clothed in this habit shall not suffer the fires of hell."
[link to www.tldm.org]

also

“If at anytime, you recite in My honor three Hail Mary by calling upon My Flame of Love, each time a soul will be released from Purgatory. During the month of the deceased (November), upon the recitation of each Hail Mary, ten souls will be released from Purgatory. The suffering souls must also feel the effect of grace of the Flame of Love of My motherly Heart.” (October 13, 1962)
[link to www.theflameoflove.org]


Do the math how many hail mary's are said daily?

I know I can account for at least 3 million of those.


People this is the hidden Catholicism that is separate from all their "God" and "Jesus" key words.


But it slaps the sacrifice that Yahuwshuwa gave of himself right across the face...
 Quoting: YAH Stone Massive!

shaddup
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this is purgatory sweetheart
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Hmmm, some say this is hell but I agree to a point your comment.

Think how far away we are in these times from God? People have voted into law grave mortal sins. There's one horrid.

When we repent with true contrition God forgives us because
He loves us so BUT we still have to make reparation for that
sin.

In our times especially, very few people go straight to Heaven.
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So you can say a "hail mary" and a soul gets loosed from purgurtory?


So why why did "Yahuwshuwa" have to die if u could just put on a brown scapular from "Mary" and have a promise from her that they would not see the fires of hell?


The Brown Scapular
A gift of love so powerful that it is a major instrument used in God's mercy to deliver souls—even ones with just a shadow of faith—from the fires of hell. A gift of love that Our Lady, herself, says is "a sign of salvation, a protection in danger, and a pledge of peace." This gift of Our Lady's love, the Brown Scapular, she gave to St. Simon Stock and the world on July 16, 1251, contains the beautiful promise, "Whosoever dies clothed in this habit shall not suffer the fires of hell."
[link to www.tldm.org]

also

“If at anytime, you recite in My honor three Hail Mary by calling upon My Flame of Love, each time a soul will be released from Purgatory. During the month of the deceased (November), upon the recitation of each Hail Mary, ten souls will be released from Purgatory. The suffering souls must also feel the effect of grace of the Flame of Love of My motherly Heart.” (October 13, 1962)
[link to www.theflameoflove.org]


Do the math how many hail mary's are said daily?

I know I can account for at least 3 million of those.


People this is the hidden Catholicism that is separate from all their "God" and "Jesus" key words.


But it slaps the sacrifice that Yahuwshuwa gave of himself right across the face...

shaddup
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Hijo de Isabella...sientate!

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1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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So you can say a "hail mary" and a soul gets loosed from purgurtory?


So why why did "Yahuwshuwa" have to die if u could just put on a brown scapular from "Mary" and have a promise from her that they would not see the fires of hell?


The Brown Scapular
A gift of love so powerful that it is a major instrument used in God's mercy to deliver souls—even ones with just a shadow of faith—from the fires of hell. A gift of love that Our Lady, herself, says is "a sign of salvation, a protection in danger, and a pledge of peace." This gift of Our Lady's love, the Brown Scapular, she gave to St. Simon Stock and the world on July 16, 1251, contains the beautiful promise, "Whosoever dies clothed in this habit shall not suffer the fires of hell."
[link to www.tldm.org]

also

“If at anytime, you recite in My honor three Hail Mary by calling upon My Flame of Love, each time a soul will be released from Purgatory. During the month of the deceased (November), upon the recitation of each Hail Mary, ten souls will be released from Purgatory. The suffering souls must also feel the effect of grace of the Flame of Love of My motherly Heart.” (October 13, 1962)
[link to www.theflameoflove.org]


Do the math how many hail mary's are said daily?

I know I can account for at least 3 million of those.


People this is the hidden Catholicism that is separate from all their "God" and "Jesus" key words.


But it slaps the sacrifice that Yahuwshuwa gave of himself right across the face...

shaddup



Hijo de Isabella...seintate!
 Quoting: YAH Stone Massive!


misogynists anonymous helpline?
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So you can say a "hail mary" and a soul gets loosed from purgurtory?


So why why did "Yahuwshuwa" have to die if u could just put on a brown scapular from "Mary" and have a promise from her that they would not see the fires of hell?


The Brown Scapular
A gift of love so powerful that it is a major instrument used in God's mercy to deliver souls—even ones with just a shadow of faith—from the fires of hell. A gift of love that Our Lady, herself, says is "a sign of salvation, a protection in danger, and a pledge of peace." This gift of Our Lady's love, the Brown Scapular, she gave to St. Simon Stock and the world on July 16, 1251, contains the beautiful promise, "Whosoever dies clothed in this habit shall not suffer the fires of hell."
[link to www.tldm.org]

also

“If at anytime, you recite in My honor three Hail Mary by calling upon My Flame of Love, each time a soul will be released from Purgatory. During the month of the deceased (November), upon the recitation of each Hail Mary, ten souls will be released from Purgatory. The suffering souls must also feel the effect of grace of the Flame of Love of My motherly Heart.” (October 13, 1962)
[link to www.theflameoflove.org]


Do the math how many hail mary's are said daily?

I know I can account for at least 3 million of those.


People this is the hidden Catholicism that is separate from all their "God" and "Jesus" key words.


But it slaps the sacrifice that Yahuwshuwa gave of himself right across the face...

shaddup



Hijo de Isabella...seintate!
 Quoting: YAH Stone Massive!


what did you say he name was again? yashwashuashwashuaeshua?
chuckle
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So you can say a "hail mary" and a soul gets loosed from purgurtory?


So why why did "Yahuwshuwa" have to die if u could just put on a brown scapular from "Mary" and have a promise from her that they would not see the fires of hell?


The Brown Scapular
A gift of love so powerful that it is a major instrument used in God's mercy to deliver souls—even ones with just a shadow of faith—from the fires of hell. A gift of love that Our Lady, herself, says is "a sign of salvation, a protection in danger, and a pledge of peace." This gift of Our Lady's love, the Brown Scapular, she gave to St. Simon Stock and the world on July 16, 1251, contains the beautiful promise, "Whosoever dies clothed in this habit shall not suffer the fires of hell."
[link to www.tldm.org]

also

“If at anytime, you recite in My honor three Hail Mary by calling upon My Flame of Love, each time a soul will be released from Purgatory. During the month of the deceased (November), upon the recitation of each Hail Mary, ten souls will be released from Purgatory. The suffering souls must also feel the effect of grace of the Flame of Love of My motherly Heart.” (October 13, 1962)
[link to www.theflameoflove.org]


Do the math how many hail mary's are said daily?

I know I can account for at least 3 million of those.


People this is the hidden Catholicism that is separate from all their "God" and "Jesus" key words.


But it slaps the sacrifice that Yahuwshuwa gave of himself right across the face...

shaddup



Hijo de Isabella...seintate!


what did you say he name was again? yashwashuashwashuaeshua?
chuckle
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It's his PROPER name: It is most proper to call Him Yeshua. It was indeed his proper name, given to him by his parents, and only in Hebrew does this name have any meaning. In Hebrew Yeshua means both "Salvation," and the concatenated form of Yahoshua, is "Lord who is Salvation." The name Jesus has no intrinsic meaning in English whatsoever.

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It's sure as hell not "Jesus" G-Zues, Hay-Zues or Dios
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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So you can say a "hail mary" and a soul gets loosed from purgurtory?


So why why did "Yahuwshuwa" have to die if u could just put on a brown scapular from "Mary" and have a promise from her that they would not see the fires of hell?


The Brown Scapular
A gift of love so powerful that it is a major instrument used in God's mercy to deliver souls—even ones with just a shadow of faith—from the fires of hell. A gift of love that Our Lady, herself, says is "a sign of salvation, a protection in danger, and a pledge of peace." This gift of Our Lady's love, the Brown Scapular, she gave to St. Simon Stock and the world on July 16, 1251, contains the beautiful promise, "Whosoever dies clothed in this habit shall not suffer the fires of hell."
[link to www.tldm.org]

also

“If at anytime, you recite in My honor three Hail Mary by calling upon My Flame of Love, each time a soul will be released from Purgatory. During the month of the deceased (November), upon the recitation of each Hail Mary, ten souls will be released from Purgatory. The suffering souls must also feel the effect of grace of the Flame of Love of My motherly Heart.” (October 13, 1962)
[link to www.theflameoflove.org]


Do the math how many hail mary's are said daily?

I know I can account for at least 3 million of those.


People this is the hidden Catholicism that is separate from all their "God" and "Jesus" key words.


But it slaps the sacrifice that Yahuwshuwa gave of himself right across the face...

shaddup



Hijo de Isabella...seintate!


what did you say he name was again? yashwashuashwashuaeshua?
chuckle


It's his PROPER name: It is most proper to call Him Yeshua. It was indeed his proper name, given to him by his parents, and only in Hebrew does this name have any meaning. In Hebrew Yeshua means both "Salvation," and the concatenated form of Yahoshua, is "Lord who is Salvation." The name Jesus has no intrinsic meaning in English whatsoever.

[link to www.thenazareneway.com]
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pity his lingo waS ARAMAIC THOUGH
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So you can say a "hail mary" and a soul gets loosed from purgurtory?


So why why did "Yahuwshuwa" have to die if u could just put on a brown scapular from "Mary" and have a promise from her that they would not see the fires of hell?


The Brown Scapular
A gift of love so powerful that it is a major instrument used in God's mercy to deliver souls—even ones with just a shadow of faith—from the fires of hell. A gift of love that Our Lady, herself, says is "a sign of salvation, a protection in danger, and a pledge of peace." This gift of Our Lady's love, the Brown Scapular, she gave to St. Simon Stock and the world on July 16, 1251, contains the beautiful promise, "Whosoever dies clothed in this habit shall not suffer the fires of hell."
[link to www.tldm.org]

also

“If at anytime, you recite in My honor three Hail Mary by calling upon My Flame of Love, each time a soul will be released from Purgatory. During the month of the deceased (November), upon the recitation of each Hail Mary, ten souls will be released from Purgatory. The suffering souls must also feel the effect of grace of the Flame of Love of My motherly Heart.” (October 13, 1962)
[link to www.theflameoflove.org]


Do the math how many hail mary's are said daily?

I know I can account for at least 3 million of those.


People this is the hidden Catholicism that is separate from all their "God" and "Jesus" key words.


But it slaps the sacrifice that Yahuwshuwa gave of himself right across the face...
 Quoting: YAH Stone Massive!


I included prayers in the OP.

Yah, you don't understand. It's simple, prayer obviously
brings us to God...how else friend? Prayers have value.
Formal and informal.

And a scapular. God uses physical things to impart His
grace. Wearing a scapular doesn't impart grace itself but
when you wear one, it opens you to "receive" God's grace.
Just as putting remembrances of God in our homes. A
picture, use of holy water, a crucifix. It's been witnessed
to many times, the spiritual power of the crucifix. All
these physical objects are called sacramentals.

Prayers nor Sacramentals hurt Jesus.

Remember, our justification isn't a one time event even
though some Christians falsely preach Jesus did it all, we
are saved by His death on the Cross.

SALVATION: PAST (finished), PRESENT (unfinished) AND FUTURE (unfinished)
Conversion and Justification (Present Tense Salvation) is a process of deliverance from both venial or mortal sin and their penalties. The conversion or justification experience never applies the atonement of Christ to any future sin! See Ezekiel 3:20,21.

Conversion and Justification should be a Continuing Event always Dealing with Any New Sins Committed. James 2:21-23 Abraham is "Justified" by faith and obedience when offering Isaac (v.21). He had long before been justified ("counted righteous") when by faith he obeyed God and left Ur (v.23 cf Gen 15:6,7).

Luke 22:32 Jesus told Peter at the Last Supper, he would have to be "converted." He had been converted when he first obeyed the call of Christ (Mt 4:18-20) and he certainly had many other conversions during his 3 years with Jesus.

I Cor 15:1.2 You are "saved" [in a continuing and increasing sense] "if" you keep the Gospel always in mind.

Phil 2:12 "Work out your own salvation [deliverance from sin] with fear and trembling."

I Peter 1:9 "Receiving [continually] the end of your faith even the salvation of your souls."

Justification Experienced Only Through Faith and Obedience James 2:14-26 "Faith, if it hath not works is dead, being alone"(v. 17). "The devils also believe and tremble"(v. 19). "[As in Abraham's case] by works was faith made perfect'(v.22). "As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead"(v.26).

John 15:1-10 "1 am the true Vine.... If a man abide not in Me, he is cast forth as a branch and ... burned. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in My love."


back to the subject of Purgatory.
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321,

“If at anytime, you recite in My honor three Hail Mary by calling upon My Flame of Love, each time a soul will be released from Purgatory. During the month of the deceased (November), upon the recitation of each Hail Mary, ten souls will be released from Purgatory. The suffering souls must also feel the effect of grace of the Flame of Love of My motherly Heart.” (October 13, 1962)
[link to www.theflameoflove.org]

Just to let you know I stayed on topic.

May the Father continually call you..

Blessings to you...
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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321,

“If at anytime, you recite in My honor three Hail Mary by calling upon My Flame of Love, each time a soul will be released from Purgatory. During the month of the deceased (November), upon the recitation of each Hail Mary, ten souls will be released from Purgatory. The suffering souls must also feel the effect of grace of the Flame of Love of My motherly Heart.” (October 13, 1962)
[link to www.theflameoflove.org]

Just to let you know I stayed on topic.

May the Father continually call you..

Blessings to you...
 Quoting: YAH Stone Massive!



YAH Stone:

"But it slaps the sacrifice that Yahuwshuwa gave of himself right across the face"...

I had to address your protest...you brought it up, why I
said to end my reply....back to the discussion of Purgatory.


blessings to you too,
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Fools for believing in a false religion. Bigger fools for creating their own suffering by joining others in a delusional false place. As co-creators they have power, using it to bring on your own pain and suffering is the ultimate stupidity.
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There is no separation from God. Nothing that is separate from God can continue to exist.

This is the lie, the foolishness, of christianity in all of its forms. This is the inherent evil in christianity and its lies.
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I'll light a candle for you, as your brain is in purgatory.
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Fact, if a person dies in mortal sin (serious/grave), they don't see Heaven.

...then more bring excruciatingly stupid bullshit....
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Breaking news!
The earth is a globe!
It goes aroound the sun!
The Easter bunny is not real!
Nor is Santa Claus!
This is the 21st century!
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I'll light a candle for you, as your brain is in purgatory.
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Brains!? we don't need no steenking brains!
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Fact, if a person dies in mortal sin (serious/grave), they don't see Heaven.

...then more bring excruciatingly stupid bullshit....
Breaking news!
The earth is a globe!
It goes aroound the sun!
The Easter bunny is not real!
Nor is Santa Claus!
This is the 21st century!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 742532


All lies, you can only prove that with science, and evidence, not words in some ancient text.
"I don't know which was scarier...the speech...or the Congress cheering it. He evoked Lincoln. Whenever a President is going to get us into serious trouble...they always use Lincoln."
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I'll light a candle for you, as your brain is in purgatory.

Brains!? we don't need no steenking brains!
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Damn skippy!
"I don't know which was scarier...the speech...or the Congress cheering it. He evoked Lincoln. Whenever a President is going to get us into serious trouble...they always use Lincoln."
-2010
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Fact, if a person dies in mortal sin (serious/grave), they don't see Heaven.

...then more bring excruciatingly stupid bullshit....
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Yeah, there's nothing here to see



You'd better be ready for the spiritual, because its coming right at you.
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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Yeah, there's nothing here to see
You'd better be ready for the spiritual, because its coming right at you.
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Is it? I can only hope.

It's like that night I spent in this haunted house and I slept soundly.

sheesh.

you people are so easy.
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People can lala all they want to but Purgatory exists. A brief explanation to Scriptural verses, Old and New Testament referring to Purgatory. Notice Matthew 12:32
below. Our Lord's words.

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Matt. 5:26,18:34; Luke 12:58-59
– Jesus teaches us, “Come to terms with your opponent or you will be handed over to the judge and thrown into prison. You will not get out until you have paid the last penny.” The word “opponent” (antidiko) is likely a reference to the devil (see the same word for devil in 1 Pet. 5:8) who is an accuser against man (c.f. Job 1.6-12; Zech. 3.1; Rev. 12.10), and God is the judge. If we have not adequately dealt with satan and sin in this life, we will be held in a temporary state called a prison, and we won’t get out until we have satisfied our entire debt to God. This “prison” is purgatory where we will not get out until the last penny is paid.

Matt. 5:48
- Jesus says, "be perfect, even as your heavenly Father is perfect." We are only made perfect through purification, and in Catholic teaching, this purification, if not completed on earth, is continued in a transitional state we call purgatory.

Matt. 12:32
– Jesus says, “And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.” Jesus thus clearly provides that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase “in the next” (from the Greek “en to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language). Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This proves that there is another state after death, and the Church for 2,000 years has called this state purgatory.

Luke 12:47-48
- when the Master comes (at the end of time), some will receive light or heavy beatings but will live. This state is not heaven or hell, because in heaven there are no beatings, and in hell we will no longer live with the Master.

Luke 16:19-31
- in this story, we see that the dead rich man is suffering but still feels compassion for his brothers and wants to warn them of his place of suffering. But there is no suffering in heaven or compassion in hell because compassion is a grace from God and those in hell are deprived from God's graces for all eternity. So where is the rich man? He is in purgatory.

1 Cor. 15:29-30
- Paul mentions people being baptized on behalf of the dead, in the context of atoning for their sins (people are baptized on the dead’s behalf so the dead can be raised). These people cannot be in heaven because they are still with sin, but they also cannot be in hell because their sins can no longer be atoned for. They are in purgatory. These verses directly correspond to 2 Macc. 12:44-45 which also shows specific prayers for the dead, so that they may be forgiven of their sin.

Phil. 2:10
- every knee bends to Jesus, in heaven, on earth, and "under the earth" which is the realm of the righteous dead, or purgatory.

2 Tim. 1:16-18
- Onesiphorus is dead but Paul asks for mercy on him “on that day.” Paul’s use of “that day” demonstrates its eschatological usage (see, for example, Rom. 2.5,16; 1 Cor. 1.8; 3.13; 5.5; 2 Cor. 1.14; Phil. 1.6,10; 2.16; 1 Thess. 5.2,4,5,8; 2 Thess. 2.2,3; 2 Tim. 4.8). Of course, there is no need for mercy in heaven, and there is no mercy given in hell. Where is Onesiphorus? He is in purgatory.

Heb. 12:14 - without holiness no one will see the Lord. We need final sanctification to attain true holiness before God, and this process occurs during our lives and, if not completed during our lives, in the transitional state of purgatory.

Heb. 12:23
- the spirits of just men who died in godliness are "made" perfect. They do not necessarily arrive perfect. They are made perfect after their death. But those in heaven are already perfect, and those in hell can no longer be made perfect. These spirits are in purgatory.

1 Peter 3:19; 4:6
- Jesus preached to the spirits in the "prison." These are the righteous souls being purified for the beatific vision.

Rev. 21:4 - God shall wipe away their tears, and there will be no mourning or pain, but only after the coming of the new heaven and the passing away of the current heaven and earth. Note the elimination of tears and pain only occurs at the end of time. But there is no morning or pain in heaven, and God will not wipe away their tears in hell. These are the souls experiencing purgatory.

Rev. 21:27 - nothing unclean shall enter heaven. The word “unclean” comes from the Greek word “koinon” which refers to a spiritual corruption. Even the propensity to sin is spiritually corrupt, or considered unclean, and must be purified before entering heaven. It is amazing how many Protestants do not want to believe in purgatory. Purgatory exists because of the mercy of God. If there were no purgatory, this would also likely mean no salvation for most people. God is merciful indeed.

Luke 23:43
– many Protestants argue that, because Jesus sent the good thief right to heaven, there can be no purgatory. There are several rebuttals. First, when Jesus uses the word "paradise,” He did not mean heaven. Paradise, from the Hebrew "sheol," meant the realm of the righteous dead. This was the place of the dead who were destined for heaven, but who were captive until the Lord's resurrection. Second, since there was no punctuation in the original manuscript, Jesus’ statement “I say to you today you will be with me in paradise” does not mean there was a comma after the first word “you.” This means Jesus could have said, “I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise” (meaning, Jesus could have emphasized with exclamation his statement was “today” or “now,” and that some time in the future the good thief would go to heaven). Third, even if the thief went straight to heaven, this does not prove there is no purgatory (those who are fully sanctified in this life – perhaps by a bloody and repentant death – could be ready for admission in to heaven).

Gen. 50:10; Num. 20:29; Deut. 34:8
- here are some examples of ritual prayer and penitent mourning for the dead for specific periods of time. The Jewish understanding of these practices was that the prayers freed the souls from their painful state of purification, and expedited their journey to God.

Baruch 3:4
- Baruch asks the Lord to hear the prayers of the dead of Israel. Prayers for the dead are unnecessary in heaven and unnecessary in hell. These dead are in purgatory.

Zech. 9:11 - God, through the blood of His covenant, will set those free from the waterless pit, a spiritual abode of suffering which the Church calls purgatory.

2 Macc. 12:43-45
- the prayers for the dead help free them from sin and help them to the reward of heaven. Those in heaven have no sin, and those in hell can no longer be freed from sin. They are in purgatory. Luther was particularly troubled with these verses because he rejected the age-old teaching of purgatory. As a result, he removed Maccabees from the canon of the Bible.
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IN BRUSH WITH DEATH, PRIEST SHOWN HELL, PURGATORY, DEGREES OF SUFFERING


Set out below is an account of the experience of a priest who died and was shown Hell, Purgatory and Heaven. It is of course only his personal experience but there is nothing in it which is contrary to faith and I trust that some of you might find, as I did, that it was a warning and an encouragement.

On Sunday April 14, 1985, the Feast of the Divine Mercy, Fr Tom Maniyangat was going to celebrate Mass at a mission church in the north part of Kerala, and he had a fatal accident. He had a head on collision with a jeep. He was rushed to a hospital about 35 miles away but he died on the way.

Fr Tom's soul left his body and he experienced death. He saw his body and the people who were carrying him to the hospital. He heard them crying and praying for him.He then met his Guardian angel. His angel said to him: "I am going to take you to Heaven, the Lord wants to meet you and talk with you." He also said that as part of that journey he wanted to show Fr Tom hell and purgatory.

This is how Fr Tom describes his visit to Hell and Purgatory Hell "First, the angel escorted me to hell. It was an awful sight! I saw Satan and the devils, an unquenchable fire ,worms crawling, people screaming and fighting, others being tortured by demons. I was told there are seven "degrees" or levels of suffering in the netherworld. Those who committed "mortal sin after mortal sin" in life were suffering the most intense heat. They had bodies and looked very ugly, so cruel and ugly, horrifying. They were human but like monsters: fearful, ugly-looking things. The angel told me that all these sufferings were due to unrepented mortal sins.Then, I understood that there are seven degrees of suffering or levels according to the number and kinds of mortal sins committed in their earthly lives. The souls looked very ugly, cruel and horrific. It was a fearful experience. I saw people whom I knew but I am not allowed to reveal their identities. The sins that convicted them were mainly abortion, homosexuality, sins of the flesh, euthanasia, hatefulness, lack of forgiveness and sacrilege.

The angel told me that if they had repented they would have avoided hell and gone instead to purgatory. I also understood that some people who repent from these sins might be purified on earth through their sufferings. This way they can avoid purgatory and go straight to heaven. I was surprised when I saw in hell even Priests and Bishops, some of whom I never expected to see. Many of them were there because they had misled the people with false teaching and bad example.

After the visit to hell, my Guardian angel escorted me to Purgatory. Here too, there are seven degrees of suffering and unquenchable fire. But it is far less intense than hell and there was neither quarreling nor fighting. The main suffering of these souls is their separation from God. Some of those who are in Purgatory committed numerous mortal sins; but they were reconciled with God before their death. Even though these souls are suffering, they enjoy peace and the knowledge that one day they will see God face to face.I had a chance to communicate with the souls in Purgatory. They asked me to pray for them and to tell the people to pray for them as well, so they can go to heaven quickly.

When we pray for these souls we will receive their gratitude through their prayers and once they enter heaven their prayers become even more meritorious.

Next, my angel escorted me to heaven passing through a big dazzling white tunnel. I never experienced this much peace and joy in my life. Then immediately the heaven opened up and I heard the most delightful music, which I never heard before. The angels were singing and praising God. I saw all the saints, especially the Blessed Mother and St. Joseph, and many dedicated holy Bishops and Priests who were shining like stars.

And when I appeared before the Lord, Jesus told me: "I want you to go back to the world. In your second life you will be an instrument of peace and healing to my people. You will walk in a foreign land and you will speak in a foreign tongue. Everything is possible for you with my grace." After these words, the Blessed Mother told me, "Do whatever He tells you. [John 2:5] I will help you in your ministries."Words can not express the beauty of heaven. There we find so much peace and happiness, which exceed a million times our imagination.

Our Lord is far more beautiful than any image can convey. His face is radiant and luminous and more beautiful than a thousand rising suns. The pictures we see in the world are only a shadow of His magnificence. The Blessed Mother was next to Jesus; she was so beautiful and radiant. None of the images we see in this world can compare with her real beauty. Heaven is our real home: we are all created to reach heaven and enjoy God forever.

Back to Earth.
As they were moving my dead body to the morgue,...


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Padre Pio ~

"Many apparitions have been reported about souls in Purgatory who came to ask the offering of Padre Pio’s Holy Mass for their deliverance from Purgatory.

One day he celebrated Holy Mass for the father of one of his fellow friars. At the end of the Holy Sacrifice, Padre Pio said to the friar, "This morning the soul of your father entered Heaven." The friar was very happy, but said, "Padre, my good father died thirty-two years ago."
"My son," Padre Pio replied, "before God every debt must be paid!" And it is Holy Mass which obtains for us a treasure of infinite value: the Body and Blood of Jesus, the "unspotted Lamb" (Rev. 5:12).
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Non-Catholic NDE:

Gradually, things began to clear, and I had a sense of being on the outskirts of the planet. Like some weightless wisp, I stopped at a point outside the Earth’s envelope, and was aware of it behind me, over my shoulder. Yet, I had no shoulder I needed to look over. It was as if I were vision only and wherever I’d turn my attention is where I’d see.

I was slightly confused. This isn’t how it had gone before. I recalled distinctly moving thru a Void and, once my priorities were revealed, inexorably drawn to the LIGHT. But, here I was, come to a complete standstill outside the Earth’s atmosphere and just hanging boundless. What’s a fella ta do?

I turned my vision eyes to look about me and became aware of a group of White Light Beings hovering in space. They were luminescent and appeared less transparent than I felt, with something of a cocoon like shape, reminding me of Casper, the friendly ghost, but longer and leaner. They were spread out a bit and were all observing the planet. I sensed these White Light Beings watched the melodrama unfold in the desert and, perhaps, contributed their collective focus on the crystal I’d been given.

I just knew these things with my “unearthed awareness,” resulting from the expansion ensuing upon departure from a body, or moving beyond the Earth’s aura. I also felt a little shocked as one of them disengaged Himself from the group observations and began moving toward me. I’d not gone as far this time as in my previous NDE; I had come up short of where I’d Intended to go and this whole deal was new. As He approached, I, with more of a question attached than a statement, said, “Love?”.

His immediate reply gave me a sense of peace and of being a bit of a dunce too. “Of course,” He casually said.

I’d impulsed this question from an openness that wasn’t only asking him if he knew IT, but challenging Him, in His Heart of Heart's, if he represented IT, as well. There was no doubt in the purity of his reply when he responded, "Yes.".

I impulsed a query along the lines of, “Well, what are you doin' here?”

His response was, ” We’re the first to arrive... there’s more on the way.”

And there was no mistaking it. He, and I did sense he was decidedly male, was saying something was going to happen. From wherever He and His fellow Light Beings had come from that was Home to Them, more were coming. I distinctly got the impression great masses of these Beings were on the way, and not merely a handful.

This was a good thing. It was like the feeling one gets when a rescue vessel pulls along side a ship in distress. “How do They do that?” I queried.

“It’s a form of electromagnetism utilizing Intention and Attention to travel between planets and stars,” He impulsed.

Thoughts would form in my awareness as we communicated. It was like mental telepathy, yet more. Pictures of information, something like holographic transmissions, were taking place in such a freed up means of communication that effortlessness seems an appropriate word to define it. There was nothing to hide, nor anything hidden.

Understanding what I had been told, I cast my attention toward a grouping of stars feeling to be off too my left. By placing my Attention in that particular quadrant, and then simply releasing it and Intending to go, I felt a ‘drawing toward” begin. It was delightful. and I began thinking of how this must be the way magnets attract one another; the additional kick to get the whole deal in motion was releasing the allowance to move.

I began a “directed drift” in the area I had placed my Intention-Attention and Desire and knew I would soon to be traveling at speeds far greater than any imagined. I wanted to give this thing a practice run and began applying the lessons I’d been given. I could feel a build up of magnetic energy occurring within me, which I somehow knew was integral to the experience. Sorta like watching the Starship Enterprise prepare for warp drive. It drifts a bit, aligns it’s corridor, then engages warp speed. Yet with this experience, I sensed it to be stepped up into the arena of Stardrive.

My thoughts were already moving at the speed of light. I began a torrential out pouring of enthusiastic scientific inquiry. “Well, if this does this, and it goes like this, than that must be like that, and then it must be like this, and if it works like that, then it must go something like,” I gushed. Images, scientific thoughts on the nature of magnets, coupled with philosophical meanderings of the energetics involved in Desire, Attention, and Intention, flooded thru my awareness in an exhilarating hyper leap of new found understandings and metaphysical connections. I was good to go.

"Wait”, the Light Being pulsed, “you must go back”.

And I knew he was right. There wasn’t anything to argue about. It was the way It Was supposed to be, and although I did long to stay, I turned my attention back toward Earth, and was immediately reunited with my physical body.

Source (more at link): [link to www.neardeathdialogues.com]


The beliefs of the experiencer impact the experience. Your Catholic friends want Purgatory and hell, so they are given it.
No more requests in the "Strangest things" thread please. :hf:

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this is purgatory sweetheart
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I'm not sure what part of the Bible you guys don't understand, but when you die, if you've not accepted Christ as your Savior, you go to Hell.

There is no one praying you out of your situation. The Bible doesn't teach that. But then again,you guys follow a lot of things that aren't in the Bible.

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