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Smilin, hi,

There are spiritual things explained, written in Scripture
but not given a name. You believe in the Incarnation, the
Trinity...I hope. These are examples of subjects spoken
of in Scripture and later given a name.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1156391


hiyadude Hi AC 1156391,

I was raised Roman Catholic and come from a large family of Roman Catholics with many cousins who are priests and nuns. I went to Catholic school where my cousin was Mother Superior of the nuns who taught there. I have received all the Sacraments thus far that I can without being a nun or being on a deathbed.

My faith in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit is not based on Church dogmas nor in following how the Church interprets the Scriptures. My faith is based on a loving, forgiving God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit not the avenging, wrathful God that so many others believe in.

I married a man who was raised Roman Catholic, who went to Catholic schools, who also comes from a family of long time Roman Catholics. My FIL and MIL don't even eat meat on ANY Friday, go to daily Mass and say the Rosary every day.

Why believe in the dogmas of any Church? The dogmas are ALL man-made interpretations of what they THOUGHT was God's word. Most of those dogmas were made based on their own biases and prejudices or need for control/power over people. God is perfect love, does not have bias nor prejudice, is not exclusionary, does not truly care if you have read the Roman gov't sponsored compiled book on moral stories of a middle Eastern nomadic desert tribe.

I really liked Spitting Into the Wind's post as it shows that they have researched about the Council of Nicea, the Roman Emperor Constantine's bid to regain political power and coalesce the different religions into a new government sponsored religion.

Catholicism is paganism with a Christian veneer (praying to the dead is from Tammuz worship). Protestantism is reduced Catholicism. Neither are what God had in mind, for the Kingdom is a spiritual one and those who are not baptized in the Spirit and truth will not know the Father, period.

The first writing of the NT were in colloquial Greek because most people then spoke Greek and Aramaic, not Latin.

The things Jesus taught go deeper than most realize, which is why we need the Holy Spirit's guidance, not man's. GOD Himself is the Word of God, not a book and Jesus came as the Word in the flesh.

The Elites hijacked Christianity and gradually made Rome the center, though there were many other "churches" at the time. How many did Rome destroy or make irrelevant?

Mark these words: the Father will destroy ALL of man's religious works and gather His sheep to Him, while many professing Christians' pretend love for Him will turn cold as Jesus foretold.

Mystery Babylon is ALL religion; do your research and ask God to show you the truth!
 Quoting: Spitting Into The Wind


Here is a website into the history of the Bible [link to www.bidstrup.com] I truly hope you take the time to read the whole the page of the website and search for the veracity of what it states.

Don't look for God in a book, find God in your heart; it is uplifting to let go of the dogmas of religion and feel God's love radiating from you.
Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom. -- Samuel Taylor Coleridge

In seeking wisdom thou art wise; in imagining that thou hast attained it - thou art a fool. -- Lord Chesterfield
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Smilin, hi,

There are spiritual things explained, written in Scripture
but not given a name. You believe in the Incarnation, the
Trinity...I hope. These are examples of subjects spoken
of in Scripture and later given a name.



:hiyadude: Hi AC 1156391,

I was raised Roman Catholic and come from a large family of Roman Catholics with many cousins who are priests and nuns. I went to Catholic school where my cousin was Mother Superior of the nuns who taught there. I have received all the Sacraments thus far that I can without being a nun or being on a deathbed.

My faith in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit is not based on Church dogmas nor in following how the Church interprets the Scriptures. My faith is based on a loving, forgiving God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit not the avenging, wrathful God that so many others believe in.

I married a man who was raised Roman Catholic, who went to Catholic schools, who also comes from a family of long time Roman Catholics. My FIL and MIL don't even eat meat on ANY Friday, go to daily Mass and say the Rosary every day.

Why believe in the dogmas of any Church? The dogmas are ALL man-made interpretations of what they THOUGHT was God's word. Most of those dogmas were made based on their own biases and prejudices or need for control/power over people. God is perfect love, does not have bias nor prejudice, is not exclusionary, does not truly care if you have read the Roman gov't sponsored compiled book on moral stories of a middle Eastern nomadic desert tribe.

I really liked Spitting Into the Wind's post as it shows that they have researched about the Council of Nicea, the Roman Emperor Constantine's bid to regain political power and coalesce the different religions into a new government sponsored religion.


Catholicism is paganism with a Christian veneer (praying to the dead is from Tammuz worship). Protestantism is reduced Catholicism. Neither are what God had in mind, for the Kingdom is a spiritual one and those who are not baptized in the Spirit and truth will not know the Father, period.

The first writing of the NT were in colloquial Greek because most people then spoke Greek and Aramaic, not Latin.

The things Jesus taught go deeper than most realize, which is why we need the Holy Spirit's guidance, not man's. GOD Himself is the Word of God, not a book and Jesus came as the Word in the flesh.

The Elites hijacked Christianity and gradually made Rome the center, though there were many other "churches" at the time. How many did Rome destroy or make irrelevant?

Mark these words: the Father will destroy ALL of man's religious works and gather His sheep to Him, while many professing Christians' pretend love for Him will turn cold as Jesus foretold.

Mystery Babylon is ALL religion; do your research and ask God to show you the truth!


Here is a website into the history of the Bible [link to www.bidstrup.com] I truly hope you take the time to read the whole the page of the website and search for the veracity of what it states.

Don't look for God in a book, find God in your heart; it is uplifting to let go of the dogmas of religion and feel God's love radiating from you.
 Quoting: Smilin' Irish Eyes



Smilin,

St. Jerome guided by the Holy Spirit translated the Greek
and Hebrew into Latin called the Latin Vulgate, the first
Bible. Of course, we have an English translation, the
Douay-Rheims Bible. www.drbo.org The history of the Bible
is Roman Catholic. You know this, some don't but one day
they will.

Thank you for your reply even though it is completely Protestant. It's definitely a protest. Until, you realize you have no authority, God gave the Church authority you will forever be posting error. It's easy to say and do...God is in my heart and that is all He requires. No,
what happens to God's presence in your soul if you've walked away from the grace of the Sacraments? Why did you leave the faith and did you take your entire family with you? Are your parents still Roman Catholic? Many, many
Catholics have lost the faith because they weren't taught it
and the world, the horrid relativistic, secular dark times for fifty years. God doesn't change though, come back. You wouldn't have left if you knew the faith.

There is a reason for dogmas and doctrines, they are helps.
Look up the meaning of the two words. They are Truth, not
personal opinion. We need them because our pride gets in
the way.

How could you leave Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist? For
grape juice and crackers....come on? Beloved Catholic Don't wait until the Great Warning, please pray about it....ask Jesus if He is truly present in the Holy
Eucharist.

You've tossed out temporarily I pray, the treasure. If you only knew. hf



Mary
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St. Jerome guided by the Holy Spirit translated the Greek
and Hebrew into Latin called the Latin Vulgate, the first
Bible. Of course, we have an English translation, the
Douay-Rheims Bible. www.drbo.org The history of the Bible
is Roman Catholic. You know this, some don't but one day
they will.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1156391


The various texts that make up the Bible were written in Greek and Hebrew by Jews, not Catholics. The group that would eventually become the Catholic Church could hardly be credited with anything more than their assembly into one volume. They did not write them. As for the translation into English, it was actually forbidden for a long time on pain of execution. Perhaps you've heard of William Tynedale?

Thank you for your reply even though it is completely Protestant. It's definitely a protest. Until, you realize you have no authority, God gave the Church authority you will forever be posting error.

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God didn't give authority to the Roman Catholic Church, they arrogated it to themselves, as is typical of Rome. It has not been established that Peter was ever bishop of Rome and even if he was there were other bishops who were considered equals. It is a misunderstanding to think that Jesus ever made him ruler of the Church. Peter was the first to believe that Jesus was the Christ, and 'upon this rock', that is, starting with this one believer, 'I will build My church.'

Roman Catholics seem to only see Peter, like the Pharisees only saw Moses.

what happens to God's presence in your soul if you've walked away from the grace of the Sacraments?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1156391


It gets even stronger when a person escapes the odious influence of Roman Catholic heresy.

Many, many Catholics have lost the faith because they weren't taught it and the world, the horrid relativistic, secular dark times for fifty years.

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Lol, your sedevacantism is showing.

There is a reason for dogmas and doctrines, they are helps.
Look up the meaning of the two words. They are Truth, not
personal opinion. We need them because our pride gets in
the way.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1156391


They are not truth at all. They are lies designed to 'help' the Church swindle people out of their money. Your pride is the least of your problems. Roman Catholics are guilty of heresy and robbery, not just of money but of peoples' hope for salvation since the dogmas, if believed, will lead them away from God. This was the problem with the Pharisees, they were the only leaders of the Jewish church and were leading everyone astray, thus no one could get to God. Jesus Himself was the truth, the light and the way, and no one came unto the Father except by Him.

How could you leave Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist? For
grape juice and crackers....come on? Beloved Catholic Don't wait until the Great Warning, please pray about it....ask Jesus if He is truly present in the Holy
Eucharist.

You've tossed out temporarily I pray, the treasure. If you only knew. hf

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Now you're just being silly. What 'great warning' are you talking about? You sound like a Mormon. There is no such thing as, and no need for, 'transubstantiation.' Jesus meant the bread and wine were his body and blood symbolically, not literally. He meant 'born again' spiritually, not physically. Nicodemus didn't understand this and Jesus didn't explain it to him, since if Nicodemus was so wise he should be able to understand a simple metaphor.

Leaving the Roman Catholic Church is the smartest thing anyone can do.
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Smilin,

St. Jerome guided by the Holy Spirit translated the Greek
and Hebrew into Latin called the Latin Vulgate, the first
Bible. Of course, we have an English translation, the
Douay-Rheims Bible. www.drbo.org The history of the Bible
is Roman Catholic. You know this, some don't but one day
they will.

Thank you for your reply even though it is completely Protestant. It's definitely a protest. Until, you realize you have no authority, God gave the Church authority you will forever be posting error. It's easy to say and do...God is in my heart and that is all He requires. No,
what happens to God's presence in your soul if you've walked away from the grace of the Sacraments? Why did you leave the faith and did you take your entire family with you? Are your parents still Roman Catholic? Many, many
Catholics have lost the faith because they weren't taught it
and the world, the horrid relativistic, secular dark times for fifty years. God doesn't change though, come back. You wouldn't have left if you knew the faith.

There is a reason for dogmas and doctrines, they are helps.
Look up the meaning of the two words. They are Truth, not
personal opinion. We need them because our pride gets in
the way.

How could you leave Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist? For
grape juice and crackers....come on? Beloved Catholic Don't wait until the Great Warning, please pray about it....ask Jesus if He is truly present in the Holy
Eucharist.

You've tossed out temporarily I pray, the treasure. If you only knew. hf



Mary
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Read the early church fathers.. Roman Catholicism is debunked.
Peter is not the first Pope. If he was explain why Galations starts with a big ole ass chewin' by Paul.. WHO WAS NOT ONE OF THE ORIGINAL APOSTLES!

The Vatican was built in 200BC (BEFORE CHRIST) for the goddess Cybele. 150 AD the Romans outlawed child sacrifice at the Vatican, but it was reinstated by a Pontiff in 200 AD at the same time he had scribes set down liturgy combined from Cybele worship and Pauline Gnostic cults. The Cybele Temple was used by the RCC 'till the 1500s.
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Hello Mary,

I see that you're still on your crusade to force people into submitting to the man-made laws of the RCC.

Love can not be forced, ma'am. Forced love is called "rape". Do you truly believe that God's will is "spiritual rape"?

No matter.

The changes and spiritual growth in Adonai Yahushua that have come over me in the last month have been exponential. I am so filled with sympathy and pity that you are still stuck in the same "feedback loop" of noise you've been in since I first crossed paths with you almost 6 months ago. Still repeating the exact same dog and pony show as you were. Demanding everyone submit to the thousands of man-made laws put in place, by your own church's admission, that are a direct violation of the command given by God himself.


Know that I pray for you often. Yes, you specifically. I pray for all Catholics to come out of the great delusion that has taken over the majority of western Christianity's followers. I phrase this in this manner because most I encounter are not following the Creator and His Son, they're following the dogma and indoctrination of their church.

Every time I cross paths with a "church worshipper", I think of you specifically. You have become my personal "poster child" of "Churchianity".

Please, time is running out. I beseech you to take a moment, for once in your life, to listen to God and not men.

May the blessings and wisdom of Adonai Eloheinu gently rain upon you in great abundance, HaShem Yahushua.

Yasher Koach,

Phydeau.
"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?" — John M. Keynes
"The way to see by [blind] faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
The Self Defining Hebrew System: [link to www.thechronicleproject.org]
Real men keep Torah.
Knighted into the Army of Yahuwah on 10-9-10.

Avinu shebashamayim, yitkadesh shimkha. Tavo malkhutekha ye'aseh r'tzonekha ba'aretz ka'asher na'asah vashamayimTen-lanu haiyom lechem chukeinu. u'selach-lanu et-ashmateinu ka'asher solechim anachnu la'asher ashmu lanu. Ve'al-tevieinu lidei massah, ki im-hatsileinu min-hara. Ki lekha ha-mamlakha vehagevurah veha-tiferet l'olemei olamim. Amen.
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There is a reason for dogmas and doctrines, they are helps.
Look up the meaning of the two words. They are Truth, not
personal opinion. We need them because our pride gets in
the way.

How could you leave Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist? For
grape juice and crackers....come on? Beloved Catholic Don't wait until the Great Warning, please pray about it....ask Jesus if He is truly present in the Holy
Eucharist.

You've tossed out temporarily I pray, the treasure. If you only knew. hf

Mary
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1156391


Mary, first thank you for your concern, it is appreciated. My own parents are dead, my father now for 22 years and my mother for 13 years. We are sending our 7 y/o to Catechism despite grave misgivings because we don't want him to think he is a bad person like the Church likes to preach everyone is. We reluctantly go to Mass and watch the hypocrites who pound their chest on how holy they are and then cut you off in the parking lot and swear at you.


Once again, someone I would consider a friend and true believer, Phydeau states it very well below.

Let go of the dogma and a book, there IS so much more. I will pray for you as well. Take care.

crown it
Hello Mary,

I see that you're still on your crusade to force people into submitting to the man-made laws of the RCC.

Love can not be forced, ma'am. Forced love is called "rape". Do you truly believe that God's will is "spiritual rape"?

No matter.

The changes and spiritual growth in Adonai Yahushua that have come over me in the last month have been exponential. I am so filled with sympathy and pity that you are still stuck in the same "feedback loop" of noise you've been in since I first crossed paths with you almost 6 months ago. Still repeating the exact same dog and pony show as you were. Demanding everyone submit to the thousands of man-made laws put in place, by your own church's admission, that are a direct violation of the command given by God himself.


Know that I pray for you often. Yes, you specifically. I pray for all Catholics to come out of the great delusion that has taken over the majority of western Christianity's followers. I phrase this in this manner because most I encounter are not following the Creator and His Son, they're following the dogma and indoctrination of their church.

Every time I cross paths with a "church worshipper", I think of you specifically. You have become my personal "poster child" of "Churchianity".

Please, time is running out. I beseech you to take a moment, for once in your life, to listen to God and not men.

May the blessings and wisdom of Adonai Eloheinu gently rain upon you in great abundance, HaShem Yahushua.

Yasher Koach,

Phydeau.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


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Self-defining Hebrew? Never heard of it. Yahushua?? In English we call him Jesus. Giant demon-people breeding with animals???? That's not in the book of Enoch. Have you considered therapy?

Irish, I can't help but wonder why you're sending your kid to a catechism and going to a church you don't believe in. The Catholics don't have any monopoly on hypocrisy. I also wonder where you think knowledge of God comes from if not from a book?

Not by bread alone does man live but by every word of God.
- Matthew 4,4; Luke 4,4; Deuteronomy 8,3

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Self-defining Hebrew? Never heard of it. Yahushua?? In English we call him Jesus. Giant demon-people breeding with animals???? That's not in the book of Enoch. Have you considered therapy?
 Quoting: Dominion


You call Him by the name your church tells you, I call Him by his Hebrew birth name. Why are you coming at me with hostility when I've been nothing but gentle and kind?

As for the SDHS, that's a lark, something I read that is amusing, it's not the Word, so, get over it. Never read a novel?

Therapy? Have you ever considered an exorcism? You're obviously filled with anger and rage for you are attacking me: someone who was kind and gentle ... you Pharisee! (Doesn't feel very nice, does it? Learn some manners).

I understand, I didn't say kind things about YOUR God: the Church. But your Church is offending MY God: YHWH, so, I guess we're even, huh? Bad news for you: My God is more powerful than Your God. (You might on some twisted level think we worship the same one, but what you worship is not God, it's the man-made building and dogma of pagans with a "Godly mask" on it.)

HaShem Yahushua, I rebuke you demonic spirit! GET BEHIND ME!

Irish, I can't help but wonder why you're sending your kid to a catechism and going to a church you don't believe in. The Catholics don't have any monopoly on hypocrisy. I also wonder where you think knowledge of God comes from if not from a book?

Not by bread alone does man live but by every word of God.
- Matthew 4,4; Luke 4,4; Deuteronomy 8,3
 Quoting: Dominion



You must be Catholic. Just gotta "spiritually rape" everyone! She attends a Catholic church because she fears your upcoming Inquisition where I'm sure you'll gleefully burn anyone that doesn't agree with your "Fathers" alive at the stake. Good times, huh!

templar

This post isn't as kind and loving as I'd like it to be, but blame yourself, I respond to hostility in kind. Learn some manners and you might get along with people better, Templar.

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The Self Defining Hebrew System: [link to www.thechronicleproject.org]
Real men keep Torah.
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Avinu shebashamayim, yitkadesh shimkha. Tavo malkhutekha ye'aseh r'tzonekha ba'aretz ka'asher na'asah vashamayimTen-lanu haiyom lechem chukeinu. u'selach-lanu et-ashmateinu ka'asher solechim anachnu la'asher ashmu lanu. Ve'al-tevieinu lidei massah, ki im-hatsileinu min-hara. Ki lekha ha-mamlakha vehagevurah veha-tiferet l'olemei olamim. Amen.
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My faith in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit is not based on Church dogmas nor in following how the Church interprets the Scriptures. My faith is based on a loving, forgiving God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit not the avenging, wrathful God that so many others believe in.

I married a man who was raised Roman Catholic, who went to Catholic schools, who also comes from a family of long time Roman Catholics. My FIL and MIL don't even eat meat on ANY Friday, go to daily Mass and say the Rosary every day.

Why believe in the dogmas of any Church? The dogmas are ALL man-made interpretations of what they THOUGHT was God's word. Most of those dogmas were made based on their own biases and prejudices or need for control/power over people. God is perfect love, does not have bias nor prejudice, is not exclusionary, does not truly care if you have read the Roman gov't sponsored compiled book on moral stories of a middle Eastern nomadic desert tribe.
 Quoting: Smilin' Irish Eyes

Rosary, priests (who claim to forgive sin) and nuns are all church tradition not biblical christianity of God. Tradition comes from pagan practices that predate the cross or roman conversion in the 4th century. And yes the Bible text are important to knowing God, without which we would not know his character or history of the people and prophets. Without the prophets there would be no proof of God as any different from any other claim of god by moslems or hindu.

Constantine only adopted Christian names onto his pagan sun worship in the 4th century. The biblical text have been since the 1st century.
[link to www.carm.org]
Constantines canonization had no effect on what was earlier already accepted by non latin Christians who rejected the gnostics that would found your roman church. Mary is not a virgin. She had many other children. Claiming she is a virgin to support previous roman religions is unbiblical gnostic lies. (she was a virgin at the birth of Jesus according to written word and followers at that time.)

It is you who needs to learn the truth about the history of the Bible. Of course you would have a tuff haul with all that Catholic family who would reject any decision to accept the Bible over the Church tradition.
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Irish, I can't help but wonder why you're sending your kid to a catechism and going to a church you don't believe in. The Catholics don't have any monopoly on hypocrisy. I also wonder where you think knowledge of God comes from if not from a book?

Not by bread alone does man live but by every word of God.
- Matthew 4,4; Luke 4,4; Deuteronomy 8,3
 Quoting: Dominion


I will answer because I put it forth. We are sending him to Catchesism to avoid drama with my husband's family and to give him a "structure" for faith. My husband and I both stress to him that he is a good person and God is all loving and forgiving. We make sure that any man made tenet or dogma that we don't agree with we explain to him.

The bible is a book of moral stories that was compiled to show right and wrong but it, like our history, was written by the victors. It is a story of war and conquest. We focus on the moral stories of forgiveness and love not the fire and brimstone.

Knowledge of God comes from your heart, your soul, the Holy Spirit if you will. Look to the Druids and their respect for nature as well as the Native American tribes and their beliefs. Who am I to say that God did not come to them? Because they don't believe in the same moral stories? Their culture is different than the middle Eastern nomadic tribe that were the Jews. Who is to say that the Norse beliefs are wrong? Because they are not "Christian" beliefs?

So you are basically being the typical arrogant Christian who thinks that God plays favorites and didn't reveal his word to ANY other culture and that culture interpreted his word according to their society? I tend to believe that God came to all of his peoples and like anything else the same words are "twisted" to fit with the culture.

As long as a religion does not espouse violence to non-believers and teaches love, compassion and tolerance I am fine with it....guess that leaves out the majority of Christian sects huh?

Tell me, if the bible is sacrosanct and God's word why is there so much debate about what simple phrases mean? God's true words would not be ambiguous and there would not be so many different sects of Christianity.

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So what are you Phydeau, Jews for Jesus? Ok fine, whatever..
you posted the link to your stuff so I went there

I went to Catechism and it was a boring waste of my time. School on Sunday is just cruel. It didn't ruin me though, and neither did all the monkey-people nonsense in science class, and neither did watching TV and movies or playing video games listening to that weird music, so Irish's kid will probably be ok. I hear ya about the dramatic relatives. What they don't know wouldn't hurt them though, if you could keep your mouths shut about it you could probably do what you want and get away with it. Or you could stand up to them and let the chips fall where they may. That's probably inevitable anyway, and it's not like it's wrong for you to live your own lives.

If you're content with your Native American Druidism then that's wonderful, I'm real happy for you. As long as people are happy and nice to each other and realize that good is better than evil and act accordingly then they shouldn't have too many problems no matter what bunch of science fiction/fantasy/hallucinations they're having. Tell yourself whatever you like, but stay away from my hamburger. Secular law prevents people from whacking each other so for the most part I don't expect any Spanish Inquisition, but then no one expects the Spanish Inquisiton.

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Hello Mary,

I see that you're still on your crusade to force people into submitting to the man-made laws of the RCC.

Love can not be forced, ma'am. Forced love is called "rape". Do you truly believe that God's will is "spiritual rape"?

No matter.

The changes and spiritual growth in Adonai Yahushua that have come over me in the last month have been exponential. I am so filled with sympathy and pity that you are still stuck in the same "feedback loop" of noise you've been in since I first crossed paths with you almost 6 months ago. Still repeating the exact same dog and pony show as you were. Demanding everyone submit to the thousands of man-made laws put in place, by your own church's admission, that are a direct violation of the command given by God himself.


Know that I pray for you often. Yes, you specifically. I pray for all Catholics to come out of the great delusion that has taken over the majority of western Christianity's followers. I phrase this in this manner because most I encounter are not following the Creator and His Son, they're following the dogma and indoctrination of their church.

Every time I cross paths with a "church worshipper", I think of you specifically. You have become my personal "poster child" of "Churchianity".

Please, time is running out. I beseech you to take a moment, for once in your life, to listen to God and not men.

May the blessings and wisdom of Adonai Eloheinu gently rain upon you in great abundance, HaShem Yahushua.

Yasher Koach,

Phydeau.
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No one "forces" anyone in a discussion forum. You couldn't
come up with new objection.

So...Jesus got it wrong from the start? Ah, the Protestant
protest and you keep objecting that you're not Protestant.
Use all the Old Testament terms you want, you follow Protestant heresies and go further, so sad...you deny Christianity itself, declaring like your fellow Messianics God is not Triune! Talk about a sect.

I don't take offense.

God wants a "church worshipper"...everyone to come to a holy place, like the Temple...remember? To worship Him and give Him thanks. This is done every day and every hour around the world at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Jesus
is there...present in the Tabernacle. A Catholic Church is
holy. Why don't you remember from your youth? These past
fifty years have so awful, the faith hasn't been taught.
I suggested to you to go to a Catholic Church and sit there
....kneel would be much better for obvious reason. Go there
and ask Our Lord if He is truly in the Holy Eucharist.

You don't run completely away, always returning. It's
God's grace working on you. I've noticed one thing, the
Messianics are cleaning up their vulgar language in their
threads. That's very good.

There is one Truth, you fight it every chance you get.
Where was the "love" when you mocked Our Lord's mother and
God the Holy Spirit? I hope you apologized to God and
the Blessed Mother.

I do think you are maturing. Come further...all the way...
to the fullness of Truth. You will be bothered until you
do.

thanks for your prayers Phydeau,
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I don't use vulgar language. So I'm a little harsh sometimes..whaddya want, ice cream?
Ok, I'll get you an ice cream..
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St. Jerome guided by the Holy Spirit translated the Greek
and Hebrew into Latin called the Latin Vulgate, the first
Bible. Of course, we have an English translation, the
Douay-Rheims Bible. www.drbo.org The history of the Bible
is Roman Catholic. You know this, some don't but one day
they will.



The various texts that make up the Bible were written in Greek and Hebrew by Jews, not Catholics. The group that would eventually become the Catholic Church could hardly be credited with anything more than their assembly into one volume. They did not write them. As for the translation into English, it was actually forbidden for a long time on pain of execution. Perhaps you've heard of William Tynedale?



Thank you for your reply even though it is completely Protestant. It's definitely a protest. Until, you realize you have no authority, God gave the Church authority you will forever be posting error.



God didn't give authority to the Roman Catholic Church, they arrogated it to themselves, as is typical of Rome. It has not been established that Peter was ever bishop of Rome and even if he was there were other bishops who were considered equals. It is a misunderstanding to think that Jesus ever made him ruler of the Church. Peter was the first to believe that Jesus was the Christ, and 'upon this rock', that is, starting with this one believer, 'I will build My church.'

Roman Catholics seem to only see Peter, like the Pharisees only saw Moses.



what happens to God's presence in your soul if you've walked away from the grace of the Sacraments?



It gets even stronger when a person escapes the odious influence of Roman Catholic heresy.



Many, many Catholics have lost the faith because they weren't taught it and the world, the horrid relativistic, secular dark times for fifty years.



Lol, your sedevacantism is showing.



There is a reason for dogmas and doctrines, they are helps.
Look up the meaning of the two words. They are Truth, not
personal opinion. We need them because our pride gets in
the way.



They are not truth at all. They are lies designed to 'help' the Church swindle people out of their money. Your pride is the least of your problems. Roman Catholics are guilty of heresy and robbery, not just of money but of peoples' hope for salvation since the dogmas, if believed, will lead them away from God. This was the problem with the Pharisees, they were the only leaders of the Jewish church and were leading everyone astray, thus no one could get to God. Jesus Himself was the truth, the light and the way, and no one came unto the Father except by Him.



How could you leave Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist? For
grape juice and crackers....come on? Beloved Catholic Don't wait until the Great Warning, please pray about it....ask Jesus if He is truly present in the Holy
Eucharist.

You've tossed out temporarily I pray, the treasure. If you only knew. hf




Now you're just being silly. What 'great warning' are you talking about? You sound like a Mormon. There is no such thing as, and no need for, 'transubstantiation.' Jesus meant the bread and wine were his body and blood symbolically, not literally. He meant 'born again' spiritually, not physically. Nicodemus didn't understand this and Jesus didn't explain it to him, since if Nicodemus was so wise he should be able to understand a simple metaphor.

Leaving the Roman Catholic Church is the smartest thing anyone can do.
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Dominion, Hi,

I can't reply to all your post, much has been explained
many, many times. We will just disagree. I am tired
this evening.

I can answer one of your questions.

"What 'great warning' aren you talking about?"

This is a very good explanation of the Great Warning coming.
It would be, it's from Our Lord. God does not remain silent. He speaks through His messengers.

Corinthians 3:13 and Revelation 6:14 on...are Scriptural reference to the Great Warning. The Great Warning is God's
great mercy and love given to all His children, every soul
on the earth. Seee...the date of the message, God has
been preparing us, He knows are stubborn pride.

+ + +


Thursday, January 6, 2005:

Jesus said: “My people, a time is coming soon when your spirit bodies will
all be drawn out of your bodies through a time tunnel to see Me as a bright
light. You have seen previous messages describe this as the Warning, similar to
those who have had near death experiences. Everyone in the world will
experience this at the same time and I will reveal Myself to you as the Second
Person of the Blessed Trinity. You will know beyond a doubt that this will be a
supernatural experience. You will taste briefly the peace and joy of heaven to
know what you are striving for. Then I will lead you through all of your life’s
experiences showing you your good and bad actions and how these influenced
people as seen through their eyes. Then I will show you where you would go if
you were to die that day at your judgment. Some will see purgatory, some will
see hell, and very few will experience true heaven. You will see how your sins
offended Me and have a great sense of guilt for your sins. You will be warned
not to take the mark of the beast, nor worship the Antichrist.
You will then
return to your bodies as you are now and be given a second chance to reform your
lives to love Me more and your neighbor. This Warning experience is a blessing
of My mercy to wake everyone up from their spiritual complacency to deal with
the most important choice in your life between Me in heaven or the devil in the
world. Those, who choose to follow Me, will suffer much persecution, but your
reward in heaven will far outweigh any of your worldly trials. Those, who
choose worldly comforts and pleasures over Me, will face the actual hell on
earth and in hell that they viewed in their Warning experience. This may be the
last act of love for the lost souls to be saved. If they refuse Me, they will
have to suffer the consequences of their actions.”


www.johnleary.com
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I guess I am tired, it should be "our" stubborn pride.
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I don't use vulgar language. So I'm a little harsh sometimes..whaddya want, ice cream?
Ok, I'll get you an ice cream..
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I was referring to some of the Messianics not you. Their
history on the forum. Like I said, they aren't using the
vulgar language these days which is really good.
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There is a reason for dogmas and doctrines, they are helps.
Look up the meaning of the two words. They are Truth, not
personal opinion. We need them because our pride gets in
the way.

How could you leave Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist? For
grape juice and crackers....come on? Beloved Catholic Don't wait until the Great Warning, please pray about it....ask Jesus if He is truly present in the Holy
Eucharist.

You've tossed out temporarily I pray, the treasure. If you only knew. hf

Mary


Mary, first thank you for your concern, it is appreciated. My own parents are dead, my father now for 22 years and my mother for 13 years. We are sending our 7 y/o to Catechism despite grave misgivings because we don't want him to think he is a bad person like the Church likes to preach everyone is. We reluctantly go to Mass and watch the hypocrites who pound their chest on how holy they are and then cut you off in the parking lot and swear at you.


Once again, someone I would consider a friend and true believer, Phydeau states it very well below.

Let go of the dogma and a book, there IS so much more. I will pray for you as well. Take care.


:crown it:

Hello Mary,

I see that you're still on your crusade to force people into submitting to the man-made laws of the RCC.

Love can not be forced, ma'am. Forced love is called "rape". Do you truly believe that God's will is "spiritual rape"?

No matter.

The changes and spiritual growth in Adonai Yahushua that have come over me in the last month have been exponential. I am so filled with sympathy and pity that you are still stuck in the same "feedback loop" of noise you've been in since I first crossed paths with you almost 6 months ago. Still repeating the exact same dog and pony show as you were. Demanding everyone submit to the thousands of man-made laws put in place, by your own church's admission, that are a direct violation of the command given by God himself.


Know that I pray for you often. Yes, you specifically. I pray for all Catholics to come out of the great delusion that has taken over the majority of western Christianity's followers. I phrase this in this manner because most I encounter are not following the Creator and His Son, they're following the dogma and indoctrination of their church.

Every time I cross paths with a "church worshipper", I think of you specifically. You have become my personal "poster child" of "Churchianity".

Please, time is running out. I beseech you to take a moment, for once in your life, to listen to God and not men.

May the blessings and wisdom of Adonai Eloheinu gently rain upon you in great abundance, HaShem Yahushua.

Yasher Koach,

Phydeau.

 Quoting: Smilin' Irish Eyes


Smilin,

I just saw your reply. I am sorry about your folks, my
parents are gone too. And I am Kilkenny Irish, that's where
my mother's side came from...

You fallen away Catholics (dear Phydeau too), what am I going to do...Don't wait till the Great Warning, return now.

If you mock the Church and deny the Eucharist, why do you
attend Holy Mass? I don't get it, do you mean, attending on just Parent's Day at your child's school?

And, those people in the parking lot, many are Catholic in
name only...the loss of faith in these last fifty years.
Makes one cry.



Mary
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Let's clear something up:

When you die.....you won't know you've been asleep. The dead don't go anywhere. THey know nothing and to them...the end of the age will come in the blink of an eye...they die and the next thing they will know is when they awake at end of the world when Jesus Comes. They may have been dead for a 100 years but it will be as if one second they were dying and the next they will be alive again but facing the Lord.

Your dead relatives aren't in heaven looking down or looking up burning in Hell.

There is no purgatory.

The mystery is that all who die are asleep until Jesus Comes back and resurects the dead.

If the soul did not repent, he/she will then stand judgement and be cast into hell. They will know what they missed before they are thrown in. If you know Jesus and have accepted his forgiveness you will be spared being obliterated in hell.

But hell isn't forever, it is a place to burn the wickedness out of the universe. I don't know how long hell will last. But it won't be forever, it will be an all consuming fire where the unrepentant unsaved soul disapears...is burnt till it is "spiritual ashes" so to speak.

The catholics and many protestant "xtian" religions don't know or even preach the scriptures. Many protestants are no longer protestants and follow after the wicked "mother church" which is Roman Catholicism in spirit even if not in name. They can't produced saved people because their pastors don't beleive in Jesus.....they say they do but most don't as evidenced by their lack of preaching the word of God but of fables.

These churches weather catholic or protestant have left the word of God and have turned themselves over to fables and traditions of men.

When these denominations teach out of their bibles they misinterpret the scriptures and don't let the Holy Sprit guide them to truth as the Apostles said that the scripturea are of no private interpretation, yet we have blind leaders leading their blind congregations into perdition.

I only pick on the catholic church because they are the seat of the antichrist spirit with her daughter harlet religions (denominations) still recognizing the beasts authority.

The true christian recognizes the spirit of antichrist in these churches. They can see the pope as the abominationable beast system of revelation. But American and European "christian" denominations can't see this. So if they persist...then God will let them continue in their delusions to beieve this lie and be damned to hell if they don't repent and repudiate in their spirits their damnable doctrins.
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1156391 who in blazes is John Leary? Jesus never said any of that in the Bible, so where is he getting that? The 'great warning' is in Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, the Gospels, and especially the Apocalypse, it's all the same warning about the same end of the same world, but I've never heard of any John Leary. I'm not too sure about Fatima either. Nostradamus I believe to be the real thing, but not Edgar Cayce or any of those other ones who make doctrinal errors. Jesus' warning through John in the Apocalypse was sufficient.
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I also think the mark of the beast has come and gone, and that the horsemen of War and Strife are over, and that Famine began a couple of years ago and will eventually become worldwide, and last for 70 years.
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Smilin,

I just saw your reply. I am sorry about your folks, my
parents are gone too. And I am Kilkenny Irish, that's where
my mother's side came from...

You fallen away Catholics (dear Phydeau too), what am I going to do...Don't wait till the Great Warning, return now.

If you mock the Church and deny the Eucharist, why do you
attend Holy Mass? I don't get it, do you mean, attending on just Parent's Day at your child's school?

And, those people in the parking lot, many are Catholic in
name only...the loss of faith in these last fifty years.
Makes one cry.



Mary
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Mary please understand I still love God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit...I just don't worry about burning for all eternity in Hell or spending extra time in Purgatory if I eat meat on Fridays during Lent; I don't worry about having a pedophile preist hear a list of my "transgressions" and absolve me by making me say some Hail Marys and Our Fathers with an Act of Contrition.

I don't deny the Eucharist per se, it is a symbol not literal. Actually we are considering stopping Mass, just got a new pastor and this guy is creepy, gives me the serious heeby jeebies...I will NEVER let our kids anywhere near him alone. Also having to pass a picture of Pope Benedict or hear him mentioned during the Eucharistic Prayers turns my stomach, there is something about him that is just pure, unadulterated evil. I never felt that way about Pope John Paul II, I got the sense of a gentle, loving soul.

We attend Mass as a structure of belief for our children that they know there is right and wrong and there is forgiveness, a sense of community. I could honestly just as easily go to an Episcopalian church or no church at all if it were not out of RESPECT for my MIL and FIL's faith and expectations that our children receive the sacraments.

Believe me, we hardly went to Mass at all except when MIL and FIL came in from out town, but since the 7 y/o will need to make First Confession and Communion next year, again out of respect and love for my husband's parents, now we are there every Sunday because of the Catechism class. My husband and I debated long and hard whether to bite the bullet and say "No way Jose are we having our kids be part of the you're a horrible person who is going to hell for everything and un-baptized babies go to Limbo club". Our compromise was to have him go and next year the 5 y/o will start but really monitor what is being taught and make sure he questions everything not just accept anything at face value.

I do not hold the Church "sacred" nor the Mass; the Church is just a building, the Vatican is a bunch of power hungry people who stepped on others to get promoted - the Mass is again a man-made ritualistic construct that should only help give you a sense of community. You can talk directly to God, you can feel Him and hear Him if you ask him to come into your heart, soul and mind...I don't need a building, a book nor a weekly ritualistic gathering to have God in my life. I hold God's love and Jesus' love and parables sacred. I really do believe that Jesus weeps at how man has distorted his words of love, tolerance and compassion.

Have a good night.

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So what are you Phydeau, Jews for Jesus? Ok fine, whatever..
you posted the link to your stuff so I went there
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Thank you for clarifying. That link is part of my signature, not a response.

Thank you, come again
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No one "forces" anyone in a discussion forum. You couldn't
come up with new objection.
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"Return to the eucharist! Return to the eucharist! Once a catholic always a catholic, return to the eucharist"


So...Jesus got it wrong from the start? Ah, the Protestant
protest and you keep objecting that you're not Protestant.
Use all the Old Testament terms you want, you follow Protestant heresies and go further, so sad...you deny Christianity itself, declaring like your fellow Messianics God is not Triune! Talk about a sect.

I don't take offense.


Good.

God wants a "church worshipper"
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Yup, that's why him and the Pharisees were such buds.

...everyone to come to a holy place, like the Temple...remember? To worship Him and give Him thanks. This is done every day and every hour around the world at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Jesus
is there...present in the Tabernacle. A Catholic Church is
holy. Why don't you remember from your youth? These past
fifty years have so awful, the faith hasn't been taught.
I suggested to you to go to a Catholic Church and sit there
....kneel would be much better for obvious reason. Go there
and ask Our Lord if He is truly in the Holy Eucharist.

You don't run completely away, always returning. It's
God's grace working on you. I've noticed one thing, the
Messianics are cleaning up their vulgar language in their
threads. That's very good.
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I can only attest for myself, ma'am. The Father has been "cleaning up" much more than language in the last month. Thank you for noticing, if you're counting me in that reference. All credit goes to the Father.

There is one Truth, you fight it every chance you get.
Where was the "love" when you mocked Our Lord's mother and
God the Holy Spirit? I hope you apologized to God and
the Blessed Mother.
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I do not fight the truth. Your truth is filtered through the man made laws that bind you, ma'am. I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree. I've apologized to God for many, many things, but I do not pray to false Gods. So, I've not apologized to this "female God" you refer to.

I do think you are maturing. Come further...all the way...
to the fullness of Truth. You will be bothered until you
do.

thanks for your prayers Phydeau,
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I'm walking in a very full path with God, I'm afraid that He will have to be the judge of what is "truth". I will continue to reject man made doctrine and dogma and keep my eyes on Him first until the time comes that I find myself on His great battlefield. I know I'm on the winning team, I've already read the script.

Thank you for your prayers as well, old friend. :)
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Let's clear something up:

When you die.....you won't know you've been asleep. The dead don't go anywhere. THey know nothing and to them...the end of the age will come in the blink of an eye
...they die and the next thing they will know is when they awake at end of the world when Jesus Comes. They may have been dead for a 100 years but it will be as if one second they were dying and the next they will be alive again but facing the Lord.

Your dead relatives aren't in heaven looking down or looking up burning in Hell.

There is no purgatory.

The mystery is that all who die are asleep until Jesus Comes back and resurects the dead.

If the soul did not repent, he/she will then stand judgement and be cast into hell. They will know what they missed before they are thrown in. If you know Jesus and have accepted his forgiveness you will be spared being obliterated in hell.

But hell isn't forever,
it is a place to burn the wickedness out of the universe. I don't know how long hell will last. But it won't be forever, it will be an all consuming fire where the unrepentant unsaved soul disapears...is burnt till it is "spiritual ashes" so to speak.

The catholics and many protestant "xtian" religions don't know or even preach the scriptures. Many protestants are no longer protestants and follow after the wicked "mother church" which is Roman Catholicism in spirit even if not in name. They can't produced saved people because their pastors don't beleive in Jesus.....they say they do but most don't as evidenced by their lack of preaching the word of God but of fables.

These churches weather catholic or protestant have left the word of God and have turned themselves over to fables and traditions of men.

When these denominations teach out of their bibles they misinterpret the scriptures and don't let the Holy Sprit guide them to truth as the Apostles said that the scripturea are of no private interpretation, yet we have blind leaders leading their blind congregations into perdition.

I only pick on the catholic church because they are the seat of the antichrist spirit with her daughter harlet religions (denominations) still recognizing the beasts authority.

The true christian recognizes the spirit of antichrist in these churches. They can see the pope as the abominationable beast system of revelation. But American and European "christian" denominations can't see this. So if they persist...then God will let them continue in their delusions to beieve this lie and be damned to hell if they don't repent and repudiate in their spirits their damnable doctrins.
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Dr Kynes,

It sounds like you believe in soul sleep. Which group teaches this? I am not sure...is it 7th Day Adventists?
Right now, no one is Heaven but God and the Angels according to those who believe this, correct? Where
is soul sleep in Scripture?

Hell not being forever is PO. Hell is eternal just like
Heaven. Purgatory is temporary...where those already saved
are purified.

It's no use to address your beliefs about Catholics. See
why it will take an act of God to change hearts.


blessings,
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1156391 who in blazes is John Leary? Jesus never said any of that in the Bible, so where is he getting that? The 'great warning' is in Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, the Gospels, and especially the Apocalypse, it's all the same warning about the same end of the same world, but I've never heard of any John Leary. I'm not too sure about Fatima either. Nostradamus I believe to be the real thing, but not Edgar Cayce or any of those other ones who make doctrinal errors. Jesus' warning through John in the Apocalypse was sufficient.
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Dominion,

Hi, You asked what is the Warning? Jesus described it for you in the message given John Leary. John Leary is a Catholic messenger. Those who deny God reveals Himself and helps people in a certain period of time through His messengers deny Scripture. He speaks to every age to warn, prepare, to strengthen a person's faith in Him.

You believe Nostradamus so you do believe in the prophetic. Knowing now about the Great Warning. All our disagreeing, like I just said to the Dr., it's going to take an act of God because of our pride to change hearts. The Great Warning is going to happen.

1 Cor 3:13
Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is.
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Smilin,

I just saw your reply. I am sorry about your folks, my
parents are gone too. And I am Kilkenny Irish, that's where
my mother's side came from...

You fallen away Catholics (dear Phydeau too), what am I going to do...Don't wait till the Great Warning, return now.

If you mock the Church and deny the Eucharist, why do you
attend Holy Mass? I don't get it, do you mean, attending on just Parent's Day at your child's school?

And, those people in the parking lot, many are Catholic in
name only...the loss of faith in these last fifty years.
Makes one cry.

+ + +

Mary


Mary please understand I still love God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit
...I just don't worry about burning for all eternity in Hell or spending extra time in Purgatory if I eat meat on Fridays during Lent; I don't worry about having a pedophile preist hear a list of my "transgressions" and absolve me by making me say some Hail Marys and Our Fathers with an Act of Contrition.

I don't deny the Eucharist per se, it is a symbol not literal.
Actually we are considering stopping Mass, just got a new pastor and this guy is creepy, gives me the serious heeby jeebies...I will NEVER let our kids anywhere near him alone. Also having to pass a picture of Pope Benedict or hear him mentioned during the Eucharistic Prayers turns my stomach, there is something about him that is just pure, unadulterated evil. I never felt that way about Pope John Paul II, I got the sense of a gentle, loving soul.

We attend Mass as a structure of belief for our children that they know there is right and wrong and there is forgiveness, a sense of community. I could honestly just as easily go to an Episcopalian church or no church at all if it were not out of RESPECT for my MIL and FIL's faith and expectations that our children receive the sacraments.

Believe me, we hardly went to Mass at all except when MIL and FIL came in from out town, but since the 7 y/o will need to make First Confession and Communion next year, again out of respect and love for my husband's parents, now we are there every Sunday because of the Catechism class. My husband and I debated long and hard whether to bite the bullet and say "No way Jose are we having our kids be part of the you're a horrible person who is going to hell for everything and un-baptized babies go to Limbo club". Our compromise was to have him go and next year the 5 y/o will start but really monitor what is being taught and make sure he questions everything not just accept anything at face value.

I do not hold the Church "sacred" nor the Mass; the Church is just a building, the Vatican is a bunch of power hungry people who stepped on others to get promoted - the Mass is again a man-made ritualistic construct that should only help give you a sense of community. You can talk directly to God, you can feel Him and hear Him if you ask him to come into your heart, soul and mind...I don't need a building, a book nor a weekly ritualistic gathering to have God in my life. I hold God's love and Jesus' love and parables sacred. I really do believe that Jesus weeps at how man has distorted his words of love, tolerance and compassion.

Have a good night.
 Quoting: Smilin' Irish Eyes


Smilin,

I believe you love our Lord very much. Reading your reply,
you just don't like the requirements of Catholicism. But
they are Our Lord's requirements.

Protestantism is the easy way. You pick and choose what
to believe and not to believe. It's all personal opinion.
Just like the Protestant doctrines are...they are not from
God. We must confess our mortal sins, our venial...lessor
sins we don't have to confess but can...to a priest. This is now Our Lord set it up. Protestants reject the priesthood so reject the plan. I always share John 20:23,
it's the most powerful. Jesus had just breathed on the
Apostles, only twice has God done this... Then, Jesus said
"whose sins you shall forgive"....

For the millionth time...one has to hear someone's sins to
forgive them. Going to a priest telling him your sins is
hard to do. I don't think it gets less difficult either but
I do it because I believe in the grace I receive. Jesus said we must do all that He commands us to do. People ignore, thinking personal confession to God of all their
sins is what He taught, it isn't. It's the rejection of
the authority of the Church and the rejection of the power
of the priesthood.

And the same, you've gone with the Protestants saying communion is only a symbol. There is no evidence anywhere,
the first Christians believed this Protestant false teaching. Why...I repeatedly say read the writings of the Apostolic Church Fathers and a little later the early Church Fathers.

[link to www.catholic.com]

Don't you believe...??....St. Paul when He said ~


1 Corinthians 10:16
The chalice of benediction, which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? And the bread, which we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord?


1 Corinthians 11:29
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.

I'll pray you return at time of the Great Warning. Remember
GLP when it happens....truly.
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sorry, my typo...it should be "this is how Our Lord set it up."
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No one "forces" anyone in a discussion forum. You couldn't
come up with new objection.


"Return to the eucharist! Return to the eucharist! Once a catholic always a catholic, return to the eucharist"


So...Jesus got it wrong from the start? Ah, the Protestant
protest and you keep objecting that you're not Protestant.
Use all the Old Testament terms you want, you follow Protestant heresies and go further, so sad...you deny Christianity itself, declaring like your fellow Messianics God is not Triune! Talk about a sect.

I don't take offense.


Good.


God wants a "church worshipper"


Yup, that's why him and the Pharisees were such buds.


...everyone to come to a holy place, like the Temple...remember? To worship Him and give Him thanks. This is done every day and every hour around the world at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Jesus
is there...present in the Tabernacle. A Catholic Church is
holy. Why don't you remember from your youth? These past
fifty years have so awful, the faith hasn't been taught.
I suggested to you to go to a Catholic Church and sit there
....kneel would be much better for obvious reason. Go there
and ask Our Lord if He is truly in the Holy Eucharist.

You don't run completely away, always returning. It's
God's grace working on you. I've noticed one thing, the
Messianics are cleaning up their vulgar language in their
threads. That's very good.


I can only attest for myself, ma'am. The Father has been "cleaning up" much more than language in the last month. Thank you for noticing, if you're counting me in that reference. All credit goes to the Father.


There is one Truth, you fight it every chance you get.
Where was the "love" when you mocked Our Lord's mother and
God the Holy Spirit?
I hope you apologized to God and
the Blessed Mother.


I do not fight the truth. Your truth is filtered through the man made laws that bind you, ma'am. I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree. I've apologized to God for many, many things, but I do not pray to false Gods. So, I've not apologized to this "female God" you refer to.


I do think you are maturing. Come further...all the way...
to the fullness of Truth. You will be bothered until you
do.

thanks for your prayers Phydeau,



I'm walking in a very full path with God, I'm afraid that He will have to be the judge of what is "truth". I will continue to reject man made doctrine and dogma and keep my eyes on Him first until the time comes that I find myself on His great battlefield. I know I'm on the winning team, I've already read the script.

Thank you for your prayers as well, old friend. :)
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


Hi Phydeau,

Seee...Protestantism. The forever protest that Catholics
worship Mary. No...you know this I think deep down...we honor and love Mary. She is worthy of both.

I brought up the in-bold again because your one sentence
about the Holy Spirit and the Blessed Mother. In a prayer
to Jesus or God the Father or directly to the Holy Spirit
apologize. That's all. Easy to do.

And I am not saying this to be holier than thou, I have my own sins to repent and atone for... To help, a proof, I
have my own habitual sins. I bet I have lost my temper more
than you ever have Phydeau!



blessings,
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I found this blog, where a Catholic explains as simply as
she can the meaning of Purgatory to a Protestant friend.

It's not long, very brief but what is interesting is reading
the 30 some replies. I as a Catholic can see why Protestants
don't get it even though Purgatory is referenced in Scripture.

I'll post the blogger's explanation and the link, it's
really helpful the responses.
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