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I found this blog, where a Catholic explains as simply as
she can the meaning of Purgatory to a Protestant friend.

It's not long, very brief but what is interesting is reading
the 30 some replies. I as a Catholic can see why Protestants
don't get it even though Purgatory is referenced in Scripture.

I'll post the blogger's explanation and the link, it's
really helpful the responses.
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Here is my simplistic explanation (based upon my own simplistic understanding) of WHY purgatory makes sense:

When we die, even if all of our sins are forgiven, we still die in a state of sinful, mortal humanity. As in, if we died, and somehow we got brought back to life 24 hours later, we would still have our sinful mind and tendencies, etc. Death does nothing to take away our sinful mindset and habits. This sinful state of humanity is how our soul gets delivered up to God at death - we are imperfect souls.

Heaven demands perfect, pure souls to be in God's presence for all eternity. He is perfect, and the angels and saints that exist with him in heaven live in a state of perfect holiness with Him. Thus, before we can be admitted to heaven, we must be "purged" of all imperfections. Purgatory is a place or process by which this happens.

Additionally, the penalty of sin - even if forgiven - still exists. It's the basic concept of consequences. If your child breaks a window with a baseball, he can be forgiven, but the consequence of having to apologize for the broken window still exists, as well as the need to make restitution. In the sacrament of confession, we are forgiven for sins (or, in Protestant terms - if you pray to God for forgiveness, you are forgiven.) But the consequences for that sin still exists. There may not be concrete consequences, such as the need to replace a broken window, but there are consequences nonetheless.

For example, let's say you are consistently angry and impatient with your spouse. God can forgive you for that. But that anger and impatience stains your soul - it makes you a less perfect, less holy soul in God's eyes. (Remember, God demands perfection in the heavenly realm.) When you die, you STILL have that tendency to anger and impatience, even if you've been forgiven for it a hundred times over. Purgatory is a place where that anger and impatience is purged out of you, once and for all.

(Now, taking it a step further, as per the comments in the previous post's commbox, indulgences are sacrifices we make HERE and NOW so as to reduce our time in purgatory. They are, in a sense, merciful gifts granted to us ahead of time. We WANT to get out of purgatory as soon as possible because all the while we are there, we will be crying out in longing to be with God in heaven.)

As far as proving the existence of purgatory according to the Bible and the teaching of Church tradition, I can't do it. (In fact, I have yet to fully investigate purgatory as concept on my own, to make it a real, solid belief for myself.) I know that some of the texts used by Catholics to prove purgatory are from the Catholic books of the Bible not included in the Protestant Bible. So if anyone wants to chime in here, great!

Moreso, I'd really appreciate anyone else's explanation of purgatory to Heather. Someone else might have a better take on it that makes more sense.

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Read the replies to follow, they are a big help for understanding...both sides, Protestant and Catholic.



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Smilin,

I believe you love our Lord very much. Reading your reply,
you just don't like the requirements of Catholicism. But
they are Our Lord's requirements.

For the millionth time...one has to hear someone's sins to
forgive them. Going to a priest telling him your sins is
hard to do.

And the same, you've gone with the Protestants saying communion is only a symbol. There is no evidence anywhere,
the first Christians believed this Protestant false teaching. Why...I repeatedly say read the writings of the Apostolic Church Fathers and a little later the early Church Fathers.

[link to www.catholic.com]

I'll pray you return at time of the Great Warning. Remember
GLP when it happens....truly.
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Mary let just agree to disagree shall we?

I have had the great fortune to have known many a "holy" priest who was filled God's love and grace. Thankfully two of them were my cousins and the other was the pastor made Monseigneur of the parish where I was raised. These were old priests even back in the 1980s before Vatican II. I was able to talk to them about faith, dogma and Church doctrine openly. Not one of those gentle, loving holy souls ever said that those dogmas and doctrines were from God, they stated that they were "inspired" doctrine from God that the early Church fathers believed God wanted.

There are certain parishes that are more "rabid" about the dogma/doctrine than others, thankfully I was raised in one that was more concerned about teaching people to love one another and be compassionate/tolerant.

I consider St. Francis of Assisi one of the more "enlightened" saints and abide by his peace prayer.

Again, I am appreciative of your concern but I am at peace with my decision and feel closer to God, his love and grace than I ever did when I believed or held credence for religion; I feel I have been touched by the grace of God.

I pray that you have the same peace and feel the same love.
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confession, LOL, I'm not telling you jack >.<
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I took a car trip out west with my family. I wanted to look at the scenery, as I did not know whether I would ever be on those roads again.
Instead of looking outside the car, I made a little sacrifice, kept my eyes off the scenery, and repeated from memory for several hours the Lord's prayer, Hail Mary, prayers for the souls in purgatory, and other well known catholic prayers. At the end of praying, I heard in my head the voice of a young woman, saying loudly and with great emotion, the words "thank you!" I have no idea who she was, but assume she was a soul in purgatory who was helped by my prayers. In the evening, I had a wonderful feeling of peace.
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see one cow you've seen them all
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Smilin,

I believe you love our Lord very much. Reading your reply,
you just don't like the requirements of Catholicism. But
they are Our Lord's requirements.

For the millionth time...one has to hear someone's sins to
forgive them. Going to a priest telling him your sins is
hard to do.

And the same, you've gone with the Protestants saying communion is only a symbol. There is no evidence anywhere,
the first Christians believed this Protestant false teaching. Why...I repeatedly say read the writings of the Apostolic Church Fathers and a little later the early Church Fathers.

[link to www.catholic.com]

I'll pray you return at time of the Great Warning. Remember
GLP when it happens....truly.


Mary let just agree to disagree shall we?

I have had the great fortune to have known many a "holy" priest who was filled God's love and grace. Thankfully two of them were my cousins and the other was the pastor made Monseigneur of the parish where I was raised. These were old priests even back in the 1980s before Vatican II. I was able to talk to them about faith, dogma and Church doctrine openly. Not one of those gentle, loving holy souls ever said that those dogmas and doctrines were from God, they stated that they were "inspired" doctrine from God that the early Church fathers believed God wanted.

There are certain parishes that are more "rabid" about the dogma/doctrine than others, thankfully I was raised in one that was more concerned about teaching people to love one another and be compassionate/tolerant.

I consider St. Francis of Assisi one of the more "enlightened" saints and abide by his peace prayer.

Again, I am appreciative of your concern but I am at peace with my decision and feel closer to God, his love and grace than I ever did when I believed or held credence for religion; I feel I have been touched by the grace of God.

I pray that you have the same peace and feel the same love.
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Thanks so much Smilin, agree to disagree it is....

I say to my kids, "nobody does what you want." When you
think about, the same for God....to the billionth degree.

hf
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One of the replies at the let me explain Purgatory link ~


With my daughter, I used the image of dropping food on your shirt or pants (that happened a lot!).

You can quickly wipe away the offending bit of food, but there is often a stain. You have to use some good detergent for minor stains, maybe some pre-wash or, shudder, even bleach, for the more stubborn stains. You might have to wash them a couple of times, or on a long cycle, t get the stains out.

When it comes to sin, we can stop doing what we did, but we need confession to get rid of some of the stain, and Purgatory to really get the stains out.

It made sense to her.
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Thanks so much Smilin, agree to disagree it is....

I say to my kids, "nobody does what you want." When you
think about, the same for God....to the billionth degree.

hf
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Well done Mary! :D
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Did you not get the Memo the church canceled Purgatory a couple of years back, all them bastards are ok now
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I took a car trip out west with my family. I wanted to look at the scenery, as I did not know whether I would ever be on those roads again.
Instead of looking outside the car, I made a little sacrifice, kept my eyes off the scenery, and repeated from memory for several hours the Lord's prayer, Hail Mary, prayers for the souls in purgatory, and other well known catholic prayers. At the end of praying, I heard in my head the voice of a young woman, saying loudly and with great emotion, the words "thank you!" I have no idea who she was, but assume she was a soul in purgatory who was helped by my prayers. In the evening, I had a wonderful feeling of peace.
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I love your testimony Ac 11656..,

Prayers and even the littlest sacrifice offered as St. Therese says. It was a double offering to God. We help Jesus save souls.

I never thought of the souls in Purgatory before my conversion. I am pretty sure, times as they were and are
now neither did my five siblings. To share, our father died in 1972. I went to a place Mary was appearing in 1998. That is where my reversion took place. It was the Blessed Mother's final appearance to Nancy Fowler in Conyers, Georgia. This is what happened, a few days later in a message from Our Lord, Jesus revealed to Nancy a special gift to honor His mother.

Oh my gosh, our Dad could of been in Purgatory for all that time! Maybe, a faithful relative was praying for him but that is long, long time if not. His own children weren't.

The days of no faith or little faith are numbered. Some day Ac you will meet that young woman!

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"At noon on October 13, 1998, Our Loving Mother appeared for the last time to Nancy and gave her the final message at Conyers. An estimated 100,000 pilgrims were present. In Her message Our Loving Mother said Her requests remain the same as the ones She made in Portugal in 1917. She wants us to imitate Jesus and said it is pleasing to God when we honor Her. She wanted us to pray for the Holy Souls in purgatory and they in turn will pray for us. She wants us to be ready for Heaven and not store up treasures of the world. She asked us again to pray, pray, pray. She wants us to pray the Rosary for peace and strength against the evils of this age and to make consecrations to the Sacred Heart of Her Son and to Her Immaculate Heart. She said that on this day God presents to the world the title Our Loving Mother. (Note: for the first time ever, this apparition and rosary were televised live, via satellite, around the world). She went on to say that if we honor Her under this title, many graces will fall from Heaven upon us. Her parting words were for us to be Holy Witnesses and walk by faith.

Our Loving Mother also gave Nancy two special messages. One for Her priests and the other for Her religious daughters. She said they were receiving special graces so as to be renewed and be able to fulfill the Will of God.

At the end of the apparitions it was learned that Nancy had seen countless souls appearing behind Our Loving Mother, one after another, all dressed in gray. Our Loving Mother said many souls were going to be released from purgatory because of the presentation of Her title to the world by God.

Several days later, Jesus appeared to Nancy and asked her if she wanted to know what the great grace was that happened on the 13th . He told her that all the souls in purgatory of relatives of the people who were praying the rosary in union with Our Loving Mother on the 13th, all over the world, went to Heaven with Her on that day."
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I typed 1972, it was 1982, 10 years later that my father died.
My Mom died in 1972. We know God is outside of time and there's the mystery of understanding this. Does that mean in the realm of Purgatory there is no time? I don't know, we relate to time.

Our human understanding, my father may have been in Purgatory 16 years!

I was so happy to hear of this gift from Our Lord. hf
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Thanks so much Smilin, agree to disagree it is....

I say to my kids, "nobody does what you want." When you
think about, the same for God....to the billionth degree.

hf

Phydeau approves of the delivery of this message (even if I don't agree with the content).

Well done Mary! :D
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I have a pearl for you Phydeau. Rev didn't reply to it in the God is not a Trinity thread. I posted this 06 message from Our Lord, I thought it would help Messianics see we are no longer in the Old Covenant. Jesus came to reveal God's New Covenant and it is greater.

Notice the Scripture references, will you reply to the
message? Please, not just to deny it is from Christ. You have the background in the faith, Rev doesn't.



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Thread Title: Re: G-d is One, Not A Trinity



The trinity is the most fundamental of Christian doctrine. Hate to break it to you OP, but you are a Jew, not Christian.

There are negotiables when it comes to xianity -- but teh Trinity is not one of them.

- - - - -

Rev. Stargazer said:

Uh, Jesus was Jewish, the Apostles were Jewish, the first followers were Jewish. Christianity began as a Jewish sect.

Anything in your current Christian doctrine that doesn't line up with Judaism, is therefor a lie.


Since you apparently claim him as the (Jewish) Messiah, you might want to research exactly what he believed.
Quoting: Rev. Stargazer

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

This is not true. You choose to remain in the Old Covenant
Rev. Christianity has been living in and following God's
New Covenant for 2000 years. Jesus came to reveal greater
things AND we are now headed to the Millennium, God's plan
for the 7th Day. You stay stuck.


September 3, 2006

Message to the Prayer Group of the Blessed Sacrament


Persona Christi (the Priest)


Given to Third Person

"To all My little ones.
Thank you for being faithful to the teachings of Christ which flow
from the mystical Body of Christ - the one, holy and apostolic Church. The
Catholic Church.

I ask all now this question: Can anyone give or minister to another
what they do not have or possess? Absolutely not. Have all who profess to be
Christians have the charism of the priesthood - 'persona Christi'? Absolutely
not. The priesthood was established on Holy Thursday by Me, Jesus Christ, at the
Last Supper. I, Jesus Christ, mandated to the twelve apostles, 'Do this in
commemoration of Me' (Luke 22:19). Here, I instituted the Bread of Life known as
the Eucharist, and the continual sacrifice; and also the new covenant
priesthood. I stated, 'I have not come to destroy the prophets or the Law, but
to fulfill them' (Matt 5:17). Only a priest could offer sacrifices in the Old
Covenant.


It was only the Levites who could become priests (Heb 7:5). In the New
Covenant, only the apostolic House of God can ordain priests under the authority
of Rome. I, Jesus Christ, am the Eternal High Priest and victim to be offered
(Heb 2:17; 3:1). I work in 'persona Christi.' The validly ordained priest here
on earth is the vehicle I use to minister sanctifying grace to the flock and the
validly ordained priest only can offer the continual sacrifice that is the Mass
- where Calvary is represented to the Father in Heaven (which is the New
Covenant Passover: 'Who eats My Body and drinks My Blood has everlasting life
and will be raised up on the last day' (John 6:55) ). This is the Passover from
sin and eternal death.


The early Church fathers (right after the apostles) strictly warned to
be careful where you would receive the Bread of Life (the Eucharist). To make
very certain the Church they were receiving in had a valid succession from the
apostles, or the Bishop of Rome. I, Jesus Christ, am catholic (*universal) and
reside in every tabernacle in every valid Catholic Church. I am honored and
venerated and glorified there. Please come and be a part of the mystical Body of
Christ while there is still time. For, if the continual sacrifice is ever
abolished and the abomination of desolation set up (Dan 9:27), the world would
end in a horror inconceivable to man.

Please here me in this.
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View this Youtube, the first of five. Listen to Marino Restrepo speak of Purgatory. Our Lord took him there!

You'll see the other four if you go to Youtube. In the
first Youtube, he begins with the Catechism definition of
Purgatory. His personal story starts at 3:30.

Marino Restrepo On Purgatory

part 1
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Marino Restrepo On Purgatory

part 2,
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Marino Restrepo On Purgatory

part 3,
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Here is pat 4,
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Marino Restrepo On Purgatory

part 5,
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<snip>
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The only reply I can offer you on this is that I do not listen to false prophets. Admittedly, I stopped reading it as soon as I saw, "Given to a third person".

Sorry.
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ditto, but those videos don't show up for me anyway, maybe it's my security settings or something
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The only reply I can offer you on this is that I do not listen to false prophets. Admittedly, I stopped reading it as soon as I saw, "Given to a third person".

Sorry.
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Phydeau,

The Eucharist is true. Dr. Guarandi is right, somehow all
the worldwide evidence that Jesus said "This is a symbol of
My body."...has been destroyed!

Hey, I tried. These are the gravest of times and you think God is silent, He doesn't speak to Catholics. He isn't and He never has been. Your pride is keeping you from reading that brief message. It is a pearl.

You have all spiritual knowledge, no need of direction in
prophecy or from the Church who gave you the Bible.

Follow your own opinion...run on over to Rev.'s trashing
Paul thread, you'll fit in there. They'll never get right
ever.


take care,
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You forgot to mention how he follows Martin Luther!

5a
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Here is pat 4,
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I just listened to #4 and #5, they were the most powerful.


blessings,

p.s. I see at Youtube there is another series of talks, 7
this time.
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You forgot to mention how he follows Martin Luther!

5a
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Pretty much the same, all personal opinion.
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That's all you yourself have 1156391; it's only your personal opinion that any of the dogmas are true, or that God has spoken to any of those people you've quoted that I've never heard of. Their stories confict with what God and Jesus have already said, and God does not contradict Himself. I'll take His Word over that of some hippie on the internet.
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Dominion,

Hi, You asked what is the Warning? Jesus described it for you in the message given John Leary. John Leary is a Catholic messenger. Those who deny God reveals Himself and helps people in a certain period of time through His messengers deny Scripture.
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[link to www.catholicdoors.com]

Apparently I'm not the only one who finds Leary's ramblings suspicious. According to you the Catholic Church has also 'denied Scripture', but then that's really nothing new.

This part was interesting:

the Catechism of the Catholic Church states:

# 675 "Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo -messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh."

That already happened with Hitler and the Japanese Emperor.


Here's another interesting part:

# 100 "The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him. Article 3"

Erm, so THEY say...

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That's all you yourself have 1156391; it's only your personal opinion that any of the dogmas are true, or that God has spoken to any of those people you've quoted that I've never heard of. Their stories confict with what God and Jesus have already said, and God does not contradict Himself. I'll take His Word over that of some hippie on the internet.
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No Dominion, if you read the beliefs, the quotes of the
first Christians, the Truth remains the same. The Church
does not error on faith and morals.

When Pope Paul the VI didn't back down on contraception
and predicted what would happen because of this grave sins acceptance. It all did! Even Science didn't know at the time all the bad that would result from "the pill."

I have a feeling you're sincere but there is such a divide
between Protestantism and the faith.

How did the Church get the Canon correct and from then on
all is wrong with the Church? No, God does not leave His
Church.

And did you notice, all the non-trinitarians left their
God is not a Trinity thread because they were hit from all
sides. Catholic and Protestants posting to show them
their error. Did you see, someone wonderful posted the
miracles performed by Our Lord written in Scripture.

p.s. Go to Youtube to watch the testimony (the 5) on Purgatory
that I posted.
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forget it, I'm not interested

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Dominion,

Hi, You asked what is the Warning? Jesus described it for you in the message given John Leary. John Leary is a Catholic messenger. Those who deny God reveals Himself and helps people in a certain period of time through His messengers deny Scripture.


[link to www.catholicdoors.com]

Apparently I'm not the only one who finds Leary's ramblings suspicious. According to you the Catholic Church has also 'denied Scripture', but then that's really nothing new.

This part was interesting:

the Catechism of the Catholic Church states:

# 675 "Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo -messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh."

That already happened with Hitler and the Japanese Emperor.


Here's another interesting part:

# 100 "The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him. Article 3"

Erm, so THEY say...
 Quoting: Dominion


The Word of God is not private revelation. What are you doing as a non-Catholic trying to search to disprove
private revelation using the Church, the Catechism?

An earlier paragraph, says we are fine to believe UNAPPROVED
private revelation unless condemned by the Church. The
Catechism also says...this is the purpose of private revelation, a help for people in a certain period of time.

Catholic Doors is famous for putting down the yet to be
approved messages from Heaven.

STATUS: July 7, 2000, on behalf of Bishop Mathew H. Clark, the diocese announced:


Look at the date, ten years ago! John Leary has the approval of his bishop to post the messages he receives
on the Internet. He has always followed the decision of
his bishop.

The Great Warning is in Scripture and spoken of by many
saints. You asked and I shared about the Great Warning
but you don't believe.

p.s. About paragraph #675, it speaks of before the second coming. This is the Final Judgment. We have another time
of God to live through before the final battle and the
2nd coming of Christ.
Dominion

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like hammering a bent nail...
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Re: souls in Purgatory - November is set aside to remember them - share your comments and prayers
like hammering a bent nail...
 Quoting: Dominion


Me...or Purgatory?

Thanks for your kind reply.

If you deny the Eucharist, you are a "baby" Christian.
Go back and read all the verses in Scripture you can't
reconcile. There is a place of purification. Who would
think they were holy enough to walk straight into Heaven?

Every day, our little sins, let alone the ones that are
denied now, the sins you will lose your soul over...

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