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The only reply I can offer you on this is that I do not listen to false prophets. Admittedly, I stopped reading it as soon as I saw, "Given to a third person".

Sorry.


Phydeau,

The Eucharist is true. Dr. Guarandi is right, somehow all
the worldwide evidence that Jesus said "This is a symbol of
My body."...has been destroyed!

Hey, I tried. These are the gravest of times and you think God is silent, He doesn't speak to Catholics. He isn't and He never has been. Your pride is keeping you from reading that brief message. It is a pearl.

You have all spiritual knowledge, no need of direction in
prophecy or from the Church who gave you the Bible.

Follow your own opinion...run on over to Rev.'s trashing
Paul thread, you'll fit in there. They'll never get right
ever.


take care,
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I should have known that the implied insults would soon follow. Frustration at others not accepting your spiritual rape infects you, Mary.

Not to worry, I still love you and will continue to offer you another cheek to slap.

As always, may Yahuwah's blessings rain upon you.

Yasher koach, HaShem Yahushua!
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(Not to exacerbate the tangent, but. . .)

OP, do you recall Who it was that Jesus said would lead us into all truth?
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<snip>


The only reply I can offer you on this is that I do not listen to false prophets. Admittedly, I stopped reading it as soon as I saw, "Given to a third person".

Sorry.

~ ~ ~

Phydeau,

The Eucharist is true. Dr. Guarandi is right, somehow all
the worldwide evidence that Jesus said "This is a symbol of
My body."...has been destroyed!

Hey, I tried. These are the gravest of times and you think God is silent, He doesn't speak to Catholics. He isn't and He never has been. Your pride is keeping you from reading that brief message. It is a pearl.

You have all spiritual knowledge, no need of direction in
prophecy or from the Church who gave you the Bible.

Follow your own opinion...run on over to Rev.'s trashing
Paul thread, you'll fit in there. They'll never get right
ever.


take care,

~ ~ ~

I should have known that the implied insults would soon follow. Frustration at others not accepting your spiritual rape infects you, Mary.

Not to worry, I still love you and will continue to offer you another cheek to slap.

As always, may Yahuwah's blessings rain upon you.

Yasher koach, HaShem Yahushua!
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You Messianics are so dramatic..."rape"..."spew", etc.

You rejected my help, that hurts. It wasn't an "implied insult" you meant it, rejecting my request to consider and to comment on Our Lord's words in the message. I thought
you would understand the meaning of His words.

The best thing to do, I won't post in your threads. You
won't post in mine.



Mary
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This message given yesterday about the Great Warning, I thought I would post here too besides in the God is preparing everyone for the Great Warning thread.

Remember the words about hiding in Revelation 6:15.

+ + +



message to Pelianito

November 16, 2010

Luke 18:13

But the tax collector stood off at a distance and would not even raise his eyes to heaven but beat his breast and prayed, ‘O God, be merciful to me a sinner.’


Dear friends I believe our Lord has expanded on the humility teaching. I was at Cenacle on Monday night and received this word:


“A great shaking is coming to the earth. Do not run. Do not hide, but stand firm in the truth.” I believe this may refer to the Illumination*. When it happens we will be tempted to run and hide. But, as Jesus told us in the teaching of November 9, humility will be our power. Humility is the truth in which we are called to stand firm. Our response after the Illumination must be, “O God, be merciful to me, a sinner.” If we prostrate ourselves before his Majesty, he will raise us up, and after that, in his power, we will be able to assist others.


Matthew 7:5
Remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother’s eye.


Humility. Thank you Jesus. We trust in you.

(*While the Illumination may or may not be near, let us assume that it is, and always prepare by frequent confession.)

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Fact, we are all sinners. There is no purgatory.
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October is when we should be praying for the souls passing over.By November the feel is much more steady and has the seeds of the new begining embeded.So then everthing is set and all fate is settled.
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For all we know, Earth is a three dimensional time-space purgatory where some enjoy heaven and some languish in hell.
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Silliest thread EVER.

Thanks OP - U R KOO KOO
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You rejected my help, that hurts. It wasn't an "implied insult" you meant it, rejecting my request to consider and to comment on Our Lord's words in the message. I thought
you would understand the meaning of His words.

Let's review your words, shall we, my love?

You have all spiritual knowledge, no need of direction in
prophecy or from the Church who gave you the Bible.
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Are you denying this was an implied shot calling me too arrogant to listen to you without actually saying it?

Follow your own opinion...run on over to Rev.'s trashing
Paul thread, you'll fit in there. They'll never get right
ever.
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Also denying that this was also a veiled shot calling those that do not obey you "ignorant" without actually saying the words?

This is my favorite thing about the internet and web forums, people can not claim they said things other than what they said.

You Messianics are so dramatic..."rape"..."spew", etc.
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"Oh the Great Warning! Eucharist, Eucharist, Eucharist!" ... but *we're* dramatic. :D You are SO funny sometimes! :D

The best thing to do, I won't post in your threads. You
won't post in mine.



Mary
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So, when I'm an angry person I'm welcome, but when I'm calm and peaceful I should go away?

You simply make no sense, Mary. I'm beginning to think you are addicted to arguments.

Love you!
"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?" — John M. Keynes
"The way to see by [blind] faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
The Self Defining Hebrew System: [link to www.thechronicleproject.org]
Real men keep Torah.
Knighted into the Army of Yahuwah on 10-9-10.

Avinu shebashamayim, yitkadesh shimkha. Tavo malkhutekha ye'aseh r'tzonekha ba'aretz ka'asher na'asah vashamayimTen-lanu haiyom lechem chukeinu. u'selach-lanu et-ashmateinu ka'asher solechim anachnu la'asher ashmu lanu. Ve'al-tevieinu lidei massah, ki im-hatsileinu min-hara. Ki lekha ha-mamlakha vehagevurah veha-tiferet l'olemei olamim. Amen.
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(Not to exacerbate the tangent, but. . .)

OP, do you recall Who it was that Jesus said would lead us into all truth?
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John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will teach you all truth. For he shall not speak of himself; but what things soever he shall hear, he shall speak; and the things that are to come, he shall shew you.


Ac 11657..,

You are talking about God the Holy Spirit. Previous in speaking to the Apostles after the Last Supper, in John 14:26, Jesus said:


But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you.


Protestants are not led by the Holy Spirit following the doctrines of Luther and Calvin instead of the teachings of the Apostles and proof, look at the division in Protestantism. Each one giving their own meaning to God's revelation in Scripture, disagreeing so much with each other, we see the thousands of Protestant denominations. And with "Bible Alone" rejecting the oral tradition passed down from the Apostles and the continued magesterial teachings of the Church.
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You rejected my help, that hurts. It wasn't an "implied insult" you meant it, rejecting my request to consider and to comment on Our Lord's words in the message. I thought
you would understand the meaning of His words.

Let's review your words, shall we, my love?


You have all spiritual knowledge, no need of direction in
prophecy or from the Church who gave you the Bible.


Are you denying this was an implied shot calling me too arrogant to listen to you without actually saying it?


Follow your own opinion...run on over to Rev.'s trashing
Paul thread, you'll fit in there. They'll never get right
ever.


Also denying that this was also a veiled shot calling those that do not obey you "ignorant" without actually saying the words?

This is my favorite thing about the internet and web forums, people can not claim they said things other than what they said.


You Messianics are so dramatic..."rape"..."spew", etc.


"Oh the Great Warning! Eucharist, Eucharist, Eucharist!"
... but *we're* dramatic. :D You are SO funny sometimes! :D


The best thing to do, I won't post in your threads. You
won't post in mine.



Mary


So, when I'm an angry person I'm welcome, but when I'm calm and peaceful I should go away?

You simply make no sense, Mary. I'm beginning to think you are addicted to arguments.

Love you!
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Phydeau

"Rape" is a horrible sin and "spew" sounds terrible. The "Eucharist" is God and the "Great Warning" is a gift. Which would you rather hear?

I don't have to argue, when one has the Truth, you only
need to present it as Jesus asks us to do.

Rev. would not reply. And now neither will you because
the words in the message present the New Covenant very
simply. You don't want to recognize them, you would
have to change.



I love you too,
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...Rev. would not reply. And now neither will you because
the words in the message present the New Covenant very
simply. You don't want to recognize them, you would
have to change.



I love you too,
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Mary, sorry to cut in but, respectfully I don't want to reply either to those messages. The messages that you are posting are coming from a person who CLAIMS they come from God.

Phydeau, Rev and yes, even me, we are trying to tell you to stop putting your faith in what other humans say is the word of God, stop basing your faith on dogma/doctrine of the Church, stop basing your faith on words in the Bible. Still go to Mass fine, still go to confession, etc but START every night right before you go to bed by saying this simple prayer:

"God, please open my mind, soul and heart to your love and grace; please take away all fear, please give me your guidance; please speak to my soul and let me listen."






If you would want to try to think outside of dogma just review this website with an open, inquisitive mind.

[link to www.deism.com]

DEISM VS. REVEALED RELIGION

Revelation, or revealed religion, is defined in Webster's New World Dictionary as: "God's disclosure to man of Himself." This should read, "God's alleged disclosure to man of himself." For unless God reveals to each of us individually that a particular religion is truly His disclosure to us of Himself, then, by believing that religion, we are not taking His word for it, but we are instead putting our belief in the person or institution telling us it is so. This is what we are doing when we believe in any revealed religion, and that's all Christianity is. It's a revealed religion like many others such as Islam and Judaism. Revealed religion gets dangerous however, when it crosses over the line into politics. This is the admitted goal of the Christian Coalition.


...The following quote from Thomas Jefferson points us in a direction free of the confusion of priest-craft and revealed religion:

"I hold (without appeal to revelation) that when we take a view of the universe, in its parts, general or particular, it is impossible for the human mind not to perceive and feel a conviction of design, consummate skill, and indefinite power in every atom of its composition. The movements of the heavenly bodies, so exactly held in their course by the balance of centrifugal and centripetal forces; the structure of the Earth itself, with its distribution of lands, waters and atmosphere; animal and vegetable bodies, examined in all their minutest particles; insects, mere atoms of life, yet as perfectly organized as man or mammoth; the mineral substances, their generation and uses, it is impossible, I say, for the human mind not to believe, that there is in all this, design, cause and effect, up to an ultimate cause, a Fabricator of all things from matter and motion, their Preserver and Regulator, while permitted to exist in their present forms, and their regeneration into new and other forms. We see, too, evident proofs of the necessity of a superintending power, to maintain the universe in its course and order."

Because Deism is based on nature, the laws of nature, and the creation, it is a natural religion as opposed to revealed or man-made artificial religion.
Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom. -- Samuel Taylor Coleridge

In seeking wisdom thou art wise; in imagining that thou hast attained it - thou art a fool. -- Lord Chesterfield
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...Rev. would not reply. And now neither will you because
the words in the message present the New Covenant very
simply. You don't want to recognize them, you would
have to change.



I love you too,

+ + +

Mary, sorry to cut in but, respectfully I don't want to reply either to those messages. The messages that you are posting are coming from a person who CLAIMS they come from God.

Phydeau, Rev and yes, even me, we are trying to tell you to stop putting your faith in what other humans say is the word of God, stop basing your faith on dogma/doctrine of the Church, stop basing your faith on words in the Bible. Still go to Mass fine, still go to confession, etc but START every night right before you go to bed by saying this simple prayer:

"God, please open my mind, soul and heart to your love and grace; please take away all fear, please give me your guidance; please speak to my soul and let me listen."






If you would want to try to think outside of dogma just review this website with an open, inquisitive mind.

[link to www.deism.com]

DEISM VS. REVEALED RELIGION

Revelation, or revealed religion, is defined in Webster's New World Dictionary as: "God's disclosure to man of Himself." This should read, "God's alleged disclosure to man of himself." For unless God reveals to each of us individually that a particular religion is truly His disclosure to us of Himself, then, by believing that religion, we are not taking His word for it, but we are instead putting our belief in the person or institution telling us it is so. This is what we are doing when we believe in any revealed religion, and that's all Christianity is. It's a revealed religion like many others such as Islam and Judaism. Revealed religion gets dangerous however, when it crosses over the line into politics. This is the admitted goal of the Christian Coalition.


...The following quote from Thomas Jefferson points us in a direction free of the confusion of priest-craft and revealed religion:

"I hold (without appeal to revelation) that when we take a view of the universe, in its parts, general or particular, it is impossible for the human mind not to perceive and feel a conviction of design, consummate skill, and indefinite power in every atom of its composition. The movements of the heavenly bodies, so exactly held in their course by the balance of centrifugal and centripetal forces; the structure of the Earth itself, with its distribution of lands, waters and atmosphere; animal and vegetable bodies, examined in all their minutest particles; insects, mere atoms of life, yet as perfectly organized as man or mammoth; the mineral substances, their generation and uses, it is impossible, I say, for the human mind not to believe, that there is in all this, design, cause and effect, up to an ultimate cause, a Fabricator of all things from matter and motion, their Preserver and Regulator, while permitted to exist in their present forms, and their regeneration into new and other forms. We see, too, evident proofs of the necessity of a superintending power, to maintain the universe in its course and order."

Because Deism is based on nature, the laws of nature, and the creation, it is a natural religion as opposed to revealed or man-made artificial religion.
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Smilin',

Thank you for caring. I do feel the love from you and phydeau in this thread. That you would take the time is so loving.

But I can't follow Rev. or phydeau or you. Rev. and phydeau preach Jesus is not God! They are stuck in the Old Covenant denying there is a New Covenant. I know the history of
Christianity and it didn't begin in 1517 and it's not about personal opinion, whatever each
person wishes to believe. If a Protestant can't give proof that the Bible is a Protestant
book why do they follow the heresy of Sola Scriptura? They don't even see so how spiritually immature. Where did their "only authority" come from?

I know I repeat it a lot but it is true. I never experienced the presence of the Holy Spirit in me until I went to where Mary appeared in the U.S., at Conyers. Someone's prayers helped me...I was far away, in the state of mortal sin for almost all of my adult life.

What can God do in our present time? Most of the world is in this state if grave sin right now. They do not have God's presence in their soul. God speaks through selected messengers, always has. There are more messengers in our time, this one of the things He is doing. People hear from the Father, Our Lord, God the Holy Spirit and Jesus' mother Mary more than ever before in history because of the loss of faith. Some of the events spoken of in the current prophetic have not come about yet and so the Church can't approve them until the events prophesied take place. Important, many of the messages are about the loss of faith by our shepherds, the bishops and priests (not all) and so they are not going to rush to approve them. How else is Heaven going to reach us?....with so much denial. The messages from Heaven strengthen my faith, they are so loving and hopeful.

I believe God is preparing as many as He can, why I post the Protestant prophetic too.
God has one plan, there is one end time. I share a couple of bookmarks.

Protestant messages ~

[link to ft111.com]

Catholic messages ~

join Yahoo Groups - Seers 2, Joyce Lang posts the daily messages from Heaven
and
there are various links to Catholic messenger sites. Hurry, many are receiving their final messages. We are close, events prophesied are "soon" to happen.

One Catholic messenger still receiving messages...

[link to pelianito.stblogs.com]

and

twice weekly to a prayer group in Pana, Illinois:

www.petalsfromheaven.com
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Just God you say. So he can create but not take resposibility of his creation. Sounds like power driven control freak to me. Praise yourselfs instead.
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I do feel the love from you and phydeau in this thread.
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Then why must you attack me with so much anger elsewhere? I'm trying to VERY hard to make peace with you. But it seems the only way that is possible is if I convert to Catholicism. Sad that you have such a requirement to be able to forgive others. It seems your forgiveness is only available to other Catholics.

You're ripping my heart out on another thread. Please stop it.
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Avinu shebashamayim, yitkadesh shimkha. Tavo malkhutekha ye'aseh r'tzonekha ba'aretz ka'asher na'asah vashamayimTen-lanu haiyom lechem chukeinu. u'selach-lanu et-ashmateinu ka'asher solechim anachnu la'asher ashmu lanu. Ve'al-tevieinu lidei massah, ki im-hatsileinu min-hara. Ki lekha ha-mamlakha vehagevurah veha-tiferet l'olemei olamim. Amen.
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I do feel the love from you and phydeau in this thread.

Then why must you attack me
with so much anger elsewhere? I'm trying to VERY hard to make peace with you. But it seems the only way that is possible is if I convert to Catholicism. Sad that you have such a requirement to be able to forgive others. It seems your forgiveness is only available to other Catholics.

You're ripping my heart out on another thread. Please stop it.
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Phydeau,

This is beautiful, you are a very good writer. I don't
think it of as "attack", I want you to come back to the faith, to believe in the Eucharist, to love and ask Our Lord's mother for help. "Mary leads us to Jesus in ways we can't know by ourselves." I desire everyone to believe in the soul saving gift of Confession. I pray and wish this for the Messianics including those who aren't fallen away Catholics. Anyone can become Roman Catholic. All you have to do is tell God you want to become Catholic and He will make it happen.

It won't be converting, it will be a reversion for you, just
like me almost thirteen years ago. My feelings get hurt
after I repeat to you, go sit in front of the Tabernacle
and you make fun of me!

God desires everyone to be Roman Catholic. After the Great
Warning, you'll say..."I thought that Mary at GLP was crazy
but she was right." Trust oh please, there is one Truth
Phydeau.


hf
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Leave him the fuck alone and learn to accept people like they are.
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Two things, Angie Fenimore is non-Catholic and she was shown Purgatory!

and notice in both excerpts, Angie's NDE and from the Sister who was shown Purgatory,

...about how souls communicate. Without speaking.


excerpt from the NDE testimony of Angie Fenimore:


"Suddenly, as if we had been waiting for a kind of sorting process to take place, I was sucked further into the darkness by an unseen and undefined power, leaving the teenagers behind. I landed on the edge of a shadowy realm, suspended in the darkness, extending to the limits of my sight.

I knew that I was in a state of hell, but this was not the typical fire and brimstone hell that I had learned about as a young child. The word purgatory rose, whispered, into my mind.

Men and women of all ages, but no children, were standing or squatting or wandering about on the realm. Some were mumbling to themselves. The darkness emanated from deep within and radiated from them in an aura I could feel. They were completely self-absorbed, every one of them too caught up in his or her own misery to engage in any mental or emotional exchange. They had the ability to connect with one another, but they were incapacitated by the darkness.

I gradually became aware of the sounds of a kaleidoscopic flurry of voices, and I realized that in this realm, thoughts were the mode of communication. Around me I could hear the buzz of thoughts, as if I were in a crowded movie theater with lights down low, picking up the sounds of hushed exchanges."



Taken from a writing by Michael Brown at Spiritdaily about the revelations in An Unpublished Manuscript of Purgatory.


"It was Sister M.G.'s claim that most souls are taken from purgatory not on All Souls' Day, as we might think, but on Christmas Day. This corresponds in remarkable fashion with a similar statement from Medjugorje.

She also commented on interactions between souls.

"Souls communicate with each other when God permits it, and after the manner of souls, but without words," said Sister M.G., who had been in a 19th-century French convent.

What are other levels like?

In the second purgatory, said the nun, "are souls of those who died with venial sins not fully expiated before death, or with mortal sins that have been forgiven but for which they have not made entire satisfaction to the Divine Justice. In this part of purgatory, there are also different degrees according to the merits of each soul."


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Two things, Angie Fenimore is non-Catholic and she was shown Purgatory!

and notice in both excerpts, Angie's NDE and from the Sister who was shown Purgatory,

...about how souls communicate. Without speaking.


excerpt from the NDE testimony of Angie Fenimore:


"Suddenly, as if we had been waiting for a kind of sorting process to take place, I was sucked further into the darkness by an unseen and undefined power, leaving the teenagers behind. I landed on the edge of a shadowy realm, suspended in the darkness, extending to the limits of my sight.

I knew that I was in a state of hell, but this was not the typical fire and brimstone hell that I had learned about as a young child. The word purgatory rose, whispered, into my mind.

Men and women of all ages, but no children, were standing or squatting or wandering about on the realm. Some were mumbling to themselves. The darkness emanated from deep within and radiated from them in an aura I could feel. They were completely self-absorbed, every one of them too caught up in his or her own misery to engage in any mental or emotional exchange. They had the ability to connect with one another, but they were incapacitated by the darkness.

I gradually became aware of the sounds of a kaleidoscopic flurry of voices, and I realized that in this realm, thoughts were the mode of communication. Around me I could hear the buzz of thoughts, as if I were in a crowded movie theater with lights down low, picking up the sounds of hushed exchanges."



Taken from a writing by Michael Brown at Spiritdaily about the revelations in An Unpublished Manuscript of Purgatory.


"It was Sister M.G.'s claim that most souls are taken from purgatory not on All Souls' Day, as we might think, but on Christmas Day. This corresponds in remarkable fashion with a similar statement from Medjugorje.

She also commented on interactions between souls.

"Souls communicate with each other when God permits it, and after the manner of souls, but without words," said Sister M.G., who had been in a 19th-century French convent.

What are other levels like?

In the second purgatory, said the nun, "are souls of those who died with venial sins not fully expiated before death, or with mortal sins that have been forgiven but for which they have not made entire satisfaction to the Divine Justice. In this part of purgatory, there are also different degrees according to the merits of each soul."


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I'll highlight the two....a non-Catholic Chritian was shown
Purgatory

In both accounts, souls in Purgatory communicate without words.
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Life After Death Experience by Father Jose Maniyangat



I was born on July 16, 1949 in Kerala, India to my parents, Joseph and
Theresa Maniyangat. I am the eldest of seven children: Jose, Mary, Theresa,
Lissama, Zachariah, Valsa and Tom.

At the age of fourteen, I entered St. Mary’s minor seminary in Thiruvalla to
begin my studies for the priesthood. Four years later I went to St. Joseph’s
Pontifical Major Seminary in Alwaye, Kerala to continue my priestly formation.
After completing the seven years of Philosophy and Theology I was ordained a
priest on January 1, 1975 to serve as a missionary at the Diocese of Thiruvalla.

In 1978 while teaching at the St. Thomas minor seminary in Bathery, I became
an active member of the Charismatic Renewal movement and began conducting
charismatic retreats and conferences in Kerala.

On Sunday April 14, 1985, the Feast of the Divine Mercy, I was going to
celebrate Mass at a mission church in the north part of Kerala, and I had a
fatal accident. I was riding a motorcycle when I was hit head-on by a jeep
driven by a man who was intoxicated after a Hindu festival. I was rushed to a
hospital about 35 miles away. On the way my soul came out from my body and I
experienced death.

Immediately I met my Guardian angel. I saw my body and the people who were
carrying me to the hospital. I heard them crying and praying for me.

At this time my angel told me: “I am going to take you to Heaven, the Lord
wants to meet you and talk with you.” He also said that on the way he wanted to
show me hell and purgatory.

First, the angel escorted me to hell. It was an awful sight! I saw Satan and
the devils, an unquenchable fire of about 2,000 Fahrenheit degrees, worms
crawling, people screaming and fighting, others being tortured by demons.

I was told there are seven “degrees” or levels of suffering in the
netherworld. Those who committed “mortal sin after mortal sin” in life were
suffering the most intense heat. They had bodies and
looked very ugly, so cruel and ugly, horrifying. They were human but like
monsters: fearful, ugly-looking things. The angel told me that all these
sufferings were due to unrepented mortal sins.

Then, I understood that there are seven degrees of suffering or levels
according to the number and kinds of mortal sins committed in their earthly
lives. The souls looked very ugly, cruel and horrific. It was a fearful
experience. I saw people whom I knew but I am not allowed to reveal their
identities.

The sins that convicted them were mainly abortion, homosexuality [sins of the
flesh], euthanasia, hatefulness, unforgiveness and sacrilege.

The angel told me that if they had repented they would have avoided hell and
gone instead to purgatory.
I also understood that some people who repent from
these sins might be purified on earth through their sufferings. This way they
can avoid purgatory and go straight to heaven.

I was surprised when I saw in hell even Priests and Bishops, some of whom I
never expected to see. Many of them were there because they had misled the
people with false teaching and bad example.

After the visit to hell, my Guardian angel escorted me to Purgatory. Here
too, there are seven degrees of suffering and unquenchable fire. But it is far
less intense than hell and there was neither quarreling nor fighting.

The main suffering of these souls is their separation from God. Some of those
who are in Purgatory committed numerous mortal sins; but they were reconciled
with God before their death. Even though these souls are suffering, they enjoy
peace and the knowledge that one day they will see God face to face.

I had a chance to communicate with the souls in Purgatory. They asked me to
pray for them and to tell the people to pray for them as well, so they can go to
heaven quickly. When we pray for these souls we will receive their gratitude
through their prayers and once they enter heaven their prayers become even more
meritorious.

It is difficult for me to describe how beautiful my Guardian angel is. He is
radiant and bright. He is my constant companion and helps me in all my
ministries, especially my healing ministry. I experience his presence
everywhere I go and I am grateful for his protection in my daily life.

Next, my angel escorted me to heaven passing through a big dazzling white
tunnel. I never experienced this much peace and joy in my life. Then
immediately the heaven opened up and I heard the most delightful music, which I
never heard before. The angels were singing and praising God. I saw all the
saints, especially the Blessed Mother and St. Joseph, and many dedicated holy
Bishops and Priests who were shining like stars.

And when I appeared before the Lord, Jesus told me: “I want you to go back to
the world. In your second life you will be an instrument of peace and healing
to my people. You will walk in a foreign land and you will speak in a foreign
tongue. Everything is possible for you with my grace.” After these words, the
Blessed Mother told me, “Do whatever He tells you. [John 2:5] I will help you in
your ministries.”

Words can not express the beauty of heaven. There we find so much peace and
happiness, which exceed a million times our imagination. Our Lord is far more
beautiful than any image can convey. His face is radiant and luminous and more
beautiful than a thousand rising suns. The pictures we see in the world are
only a shadow of His magnificence. The Blessed Mother was next to Jesus; she
was so beautiful and radiant. None of the images we see in this world can
compare with her real beauty. Heaven is our real home: we are all created to
reach heaven and enjoy God forever.

Then, I came back to the world with my angel.

While my body was at the hospital, the doctor completed all examinations and
I was pronounced dead. The cause of death was bleeding. My family was notified
and since they were far away, the hospital staff decided to move my dead body to
the morgue. Because the hospital did not have air conditioners they were
concerned that the body would decompose quickly. As they were moving my dead
body to the morgue, my soul came back to the body. I felt an excruciating pain
because of so many wounds and broken bones. I began to scream and then the
people became frightened and ran away screaming.

One of them approached the doctor and said: “The dead body is screaming.”
The doctor came to examine the body and found that I was alive. So he said:
“Father is alive. It is a miracle - take him back to the hospital.”

Now, back at the hospital, they gave me blood transfusions and I was taken to
surgery to repair the broken bones. They worked on my lower jaw, ribs, pelvic
bone, wrists, and right leg. After two months, I was released from the
hospital, but my orthopedic doctor said that I would never walk again. I then
said to him: “The Lord who gave me my life back and sent me back to the world
will heal me.”

Once at home we were all praying for a miracle. Still after a month and with
the casts removed I was not able to move. But one day while praying I felt an
extraordinary pain in my pelvic area. After a short while the pain disappeared
completely and I heard a voice saying, “You are healed. Get up and walk.” I
felt the peace and healing power on my body. I immediately got up and walked.
I praised and thanked God for the miracle.

I reached my doctor with the news of my healing, and he was amazed. He said,
“Your God is the true God. I must follow your God.” The doctor was Hindu and
he asked me to teach him about our Church. After studying the faith, I
baptized him and he became Catholic.
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Fact, if a person dies in mortal sin (serious/grave), they don't see Heaven. Why true repentance and confession can't be ignored. If it's been awhile, examine your life, the 10 Commandments is a help or check the links to examination of conscience. More is required of Catholics, you must go to Confession.

Another fact, God is perfectly just. The reason every soul must make reparation for the sins of their life. This is done either here by our loving acts, sufferings, and prayers or we atone for our sins after we die in Purgatory.

I post a message from Heaven. The recent Holy Love messages have been about Purgatory.

+ + +

October 22, 2010
Public

(A Poor Soul)

"All Praise be to Jesus - Glory to Mary, Queen and Mother. I come as I have been sent - to dictate to you messages about Purgatory. Do not reject this grace."

(Maureen - visionary): I see an old woman in charred clothing and I smell smoke. She has appeared many times before but has never spoken - so I ignored her.)

Poor Soul: "Purgatory should not be feared, daughter, but seen as a grace. But at the same time, souls should do all in their power to avoid imprisonment here. This is a place of reparation for sins that are forgiven but not atoned for. At the same time, it is a place of preparation for entrance to eternal joy. Here, the soul is perfected if he has not been perfected in the world. The soul is made beautiful in the Eyes of God."

"Because this is a place which prepares the soul to be in God's Presence, it is also a place of separation from God, and this is the greatest suffering of all. The soul, at his last judgment, is in God's Presence, and even temporary separation from this Perfect, Eternal Love is agonizing."

"The prayer that moves the souls most rapidly through Purgatory is the Holy Mass; next is the Holy Rosary. No one needs to believe in Purgatory to be assigned there. Purgatory is a reality - does exist - and disbelief is not an avoidance of this place of reparation. Disbelief, however, if it is dictated by your tenets of faith, can be a reason for a longer stay."

"I will speak soon about various crimes that lead a soul into Purgatory."


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It will soon be November, remember the souls in Purgatory
in your prayers all month.

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Fact, if a person dies in mortal sin (serious/grave), they don't see Heaven. Why true repentance and confession can't be ignored. If it's been awhile, examine your life, the 10 Commandments is a help or check the links to examination of conscience. More is required of Catholics, you must go to Confession.

Another fact, God is perfectly just. The reason every soul must make reparation for the sins of their life. This is done either here by our loving acts, sufferings, and prayers or we atone for our sins after we die in Purgatory.

I post a message from Heaven. The recent Holy Love messages have been about Purgatory.

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(A Poor Soul)

"All Praise be to Jesus - Glory to Mary, Queen and Mother. I come as I have been sent - to dictate to you messages about Purgatory. Do not reject this grace."

(Maureen - visionary): I see an old woman in charred clothing and I smell smoke. She has appeared many times before but has never spoken - so I ignored her.)

Poor Soul: "Purgatory should not be feared, daughter, but seen as a grace. But at the same time, souls should do all in their power to avoid imprisonment here. This is a place of reparation for sins that are forgiven but not atoned for. At the same time, it is a place of preparation for entrance to eternal joy. Here, the soul is perfected if he has not been perfected in the world. The soul is made beautiful in the Eyes of God."

"Because this is a place which prepares the soul to be in God's Presence, it is also a place of separation from God, and this is the greatest suffering of all. The soul, at his last judgment, is in God's Presence, and even temporary separation from this Perfect, Eternal Love is agonizing."

"The prayer that moves the souls most rapidly through Purgatory is the Holy Mass; next is the Holy Rosary. No one needs to believe in Purgatory to be assigned there. Purgatory is a reality - does exist - and disbelief is not an avoidance of this place of reparation. Disbelief, however, if it is dictated by your tenets of faith, can be a reason for a longer stay."

"I will speak soon about various crimes that lead a soul into Purgatory."


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...........the whole concept of purgatory is such BULLSHIT I can't even begin to think about it..

the catholic (notice the small 'c') 'religion' has so many beliefs that ARE NOT OF OR IN THE BIBLE, it's a scream.

and NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE does it say that when we die, we go to heaven or hell..........nowhere......NOR does Jesus ever say that..........when we die, we are in a deep sleep until judgement day.......then we are judged.....and then we return to earth to rule the earth with God.....

I know it sounds strange, but go to tomorrowsworld.com.....this is the ONLY organization I ever heard of that teaches and lives by what's in the bible, and not some 'pie in the sky', money-hungry preacher on tv.

they will never learn!!!!!! (big sigh)...........banana2
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You sleep, end of story.
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Sharing a revelation given a Sister (nun), Maria Lopez.
She began to hear from and I think..."see" at times fellow Sisters who had died and were still in Purgatory. Maria
heard from her immediate family too!

This revelation makes you think about small offenses and large, we have to account for them both.


A rather long page to paste, so here's the link. rose

Voices From Beyond the Grave

[link to avalon44.tripod.com]
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Sharing a revelation given a Sister (nun), Maria Lopez.
She began to hear from and I think..."see" at times fellow Sisters who had died and were still in Purgatory. Maria
heard from her immediate family too!

This revelation makes you think about small offenses and large, we have to account for them both.


A rather long page to paste, so here's the link. rose

Voices From Beyond the Grave

[link to avalon44.tripod.com]
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This is why Catholics attempt to debunk the Protestant
heresies and rejections of revealed Truth not out of "told you so" but for those believing things that aren't true, what a shock it will be at death.

Purgatory exists.


I can't take....

Jesus did it all on the Cross, He's atoned for your sins.

Once Saved Always Saved

Are you "Saved" yet?

You only have to have faith and you're justified.

Those 4...and it's straight up. abduct!

What a lie.
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Sharing a revelation given a Sister (nun), Maria Lopez.
She began to hear from and I think..."see" at times fellow Sisters who had died and were still in Purgatory. Maria
heard from her immediate family too!

This revelation makes you think about small offenses and large, we have to account for them both.


A rather long page to paste, so here's the link. rose

Voices From Beyond the Grave

[link to avalon44.tripod.com]
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This is why Catholics attempt to debunk the Protestant
heresies and rejections of revealed Truth not out of "told you so" but for those believing things that aren't true, what a shock it will be at death.

Purgatory exists.


I can't take....

Jesus did it all on the Cross, He's atoned for your sins.

Once Saved Always Saved

Are you "Saved" yet?

You only have to have faith and you're justified.

Those 4...and it's straight up. abduct!

What a lie.
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This recent message reminded me of Purgatory. You have to
be spotless to enter Heaven. abduct

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May 25th, 2012
Your Soul Must Be Without Stain

Children Of My Divine Heart, I Am that I Am. I Am the Alpha and the Omega. I Am. Love speaks to you now. Open your hearts to Me. Surrender completely. Give Me permission to enter, and to transfigure you into instruments of grace.

O My Little Ones, My heart breaks for love of you. I look down from My throne of glory to see many of you giving in to sin. You give in to temptation, and do not fear My wrath. You give into temptation, and Satan rejoices in your disobedience.

My Little Ones, once more I invite you to persevere, and to make necessary changes in your lives. You must grow in holiness, and walk blameless before Me. Your soul must be without stain in order to enter into My presence in Heaven. You must make little sacrifices, and learn to persevere when I send you trials, or purification. These events are sent to you in order to bring you closer to Me, and to rid you of many imperfections.

Please cooperate. Please accept all things as gifts from My most holy hands. Persevere. Remain patient, and joy filled. Do not let your hearts be troubled. Remember always that you are mine, and that you were created to become jewels to My crown.

I bless you now. I place My seal upon your hearts, and lips. Rejoice for My return is imminent. I leave you My kiss of peace. Shalom
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..excerpt from a headline article at [link to www.spiritdaily.com] today.

No matter how you explain, those Christians who believe Jesus paid the entire debt for all sins on the cross and
they're home free continue to reject Purgatory. They've
been falsely taught, they have no accounting, purfication
reparation to be made for the actions of their lives.

They're already perfectly holy, is that nonsense, yes.

It's going to take God to show some people.


PURGATORY IS PAINFUL BUT ALSO 'HALFWAY' TO GOD AND HEAVEN

by Patti Melvin

At the moment of birth, a child is a mystery of the future. With time, events, and the graces given him between the moment of birth and the moment of death, each human being makes choices, advancing toward God or turning away from Him.

At the time of death, he has lived one of these two patterns: Either, with his mind on God and motivated for the love of God, to do God's Will; or with his mind set on himself or another creature in place of God, living his whole life to do his own will.

At death, a person's will is fixed, either on himself or God. If he is in the state of grace, he is God-directed. If he is in the state of unrepented mortal sin, then he has rejected God, set up his own will in opposition to the Divine Will -- the consequence of his choices is [a negative afterlife].

Even in the state of grace and, therefore, a friend of God, a person may not have achieved a total love of God nor a complete union with His Will. What is imperfect and out of order must be consumed and purged so that the soul may be wholly ready for the wedding feast of Heaven. This place of purgation is called "Purgatory." Although it is not hell, it has some of the intense pains associated with the sufferings of Hell; and while it is not Heaven, it has some intense joys of Heaven. St. Catherine of Genoa, a "specialist" on the doctrine of Purgatory, laid emphasis on the joy of Purgatory --- outside of Heaven itself, the happiest state in creation is that of Purgatory.

What Then Is Purgatory?

Purgatory is the never failing and encompassing love of God in action for the souls of the departed who are not yet completely holy. These are friends of God, who died in the state of Sanctifying Grace and share in His Divine Life. They have a right to Heaven but are not yet ready for the fullness of what He has promised. They must be readied by the expiation they undergo in purgatory. It is a time of paying a debt but not degrading or shameful. It is a state of maturing and growing perfect in love.

At the moment a soul passes into eternity, time ceases to exist for it. In Purgatory, the soul progresses toward purity and holiness, but it cannot be said to be in this state for a certain time period. God is at work in the soul and the soul is delayed entry into the unending happiness of Heaven. This process is not measured in our days or years. The Council of Trent declared: Purgatory exists, and certain souls are detained there; these souls can be helped by the prayers and alms of the faithful and especially by the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. The Christian at the moment of death, in the proper disposition, should be able to say, "My Father, whatever I deserve for my sins and my failures, into Thy loving Hands I yield up my soul." God is Love! Can His purifying work in a soul be done in any other condition than one of love?

For the soul in the state of purgation, the world is left behind! The demands of the body and its senses completely cease. The soul is free, for the first time, to see spiritual realities in the way the Angels perceive them. Heaven is assured. Divine illumination floods the soul's understanding with an appreciation and desire for God. It sees what shallow satisfactions, weaknesses and selfishness came between God and itself, and understands that satisfaction must be made. In Purgatory, the soul is keenly aware of being deprived of God. It has seen the utter beauty and loveableness of God. His Goodness, Holiness, Love and Wisdom have set the soul aflame with adoration, gratitude and love. This is what penetrates the souls in Purgatory. Nothing distracts them from their attention to HIM! Purgatory is a state of suffering, but the suffering is not grim. The suffering is intense, but it is borne with joy.

The pain of purgatory purifies and prepares the soul for eternal joy. This joy carries them through their suffering. Self-centeredness and selfishness are stripped away as the souls in Purgatory become what God meant them to be on earth: Saints entirely in love with Him. They can in NO WAY accelerate the healing of purgatory's "fire of joy". Their utter passivity is probably the reason they are called the "Poor Souls". Helpless of themselves, they can be helped! They can be helped by our prayers, alms and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

They cannot receive the Sacraments or offer acts of mortification in expiation for their sins, BUT WE CAN! What better way to please Christ than coming to the aid of the poorest of the poor: the helpless souls in Purgatory. Let us remember, too, that by aiding them, we witness God's mercy and power, and contribute to His glory for all eternity...