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BREAKING Mystery Missile Launch Seen off Calif. Coast

 
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Thanks for posting those contrail vids for comparison.

Yeah, definitely NOT a plane. You can see on the original video that the contrail doesn't have any space between the object and the cloud, indicating that it is a missile trail.

Thanks guys, good videos, I knew you would come around to the sensible viewpoint after a few days of this "plane contrail" nonsense!
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i think this link could be relevant to this thread. follow the logic to the end. it may help make up some minds.
it changed how i veiw the missile question.
[link to contrailscience.com]
cheers all.

p.s i stole it from astro's thread...kudo's to CELLZ


Now that was a great job in the link...changed my mind
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Case closed. Missile mystery solved.
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i think this link could be relevant to this thread. follow the logic to the end. it may help make up some minds.
it changed how i veiw the missile question.
[link to contrailscience.com]
cheers all.

p.s i stole it from astro's thread...kudo's to CELLZ


Now that was a great job in the link...changed my mind


Case closed. Missile mystery solved.
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Trinity said it was a missile.

It was a missile. The boss's opinion carries more wait than yours around here.

Add to that Nikki and Astronut, along with SHR and the host of others...

The consensus opinion on GLP says it's a missile launch.

You can stop wasting your time.
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The plane was a MD11 flight UPS902 traveling east toward Phoenix. MD11s have three engines, one on each wing and the third on the tail. When this type of jet is conning the three contrails made by the separate engines blend into one large contrail. Because of perspective a long persistent contrail looks like it is coming from the ocean surface but is really coming from the vanishing point. Because it is heading toward the zoomed in camera position it also appears to have a vertical trajectory. This same contrail view from the side would appear to run horizontal. The reason that so many conspiracy sites are promoting this persistent contrail as a missile is because it completely destroys the silly hoax of chemtrails. Chemtrails do exist but are extremely short measuring about 6 inches, the approximate distance between the left ear and the right ear of those uniformed paranoid people who are convinced that the government is spraying their own people with some concoction of chemicals from 30,000ft in order to depopulate the planet according to Agenda 21. In other words "nutcases".


I can almost buy this one. The problem with accepting a plane has been the trail does not match up with the 4 engine on the wing type planes. But I can almost see this wing/tail engine combo causing a trail like we saw.

Any photo examples of the MD11 trails? That would make it easier.

It still doesn't answer why it took so long for the military to say "it's likely a plane" and why the plane hasn't been officially identified.

But nice job
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[link to contrailscience.com]
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i think this link could be relevant to this thread. follow the logic to the end. it may help make up some minds.
it changed how i veiw the missile question.
[link to contrailscience.com]
cheers all.

p.s i stole it from astro's thread...kudo's to CELLZ


Now that was a great job in the link...changed my mind


Case closed. Missile mystery solved.


Trinity said it was a missile.

It was a missile. The boss's opinion carries more wait than yours around here.

Add to that Nikki and Astronut, along with SHR and the host of others...

The consensus opinion on GLP says it's a missile launch.

You can stop wasting your time.
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you might want t double check astronuts opinion.
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you might want t double check astronuts opinion.
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Astronut is still attempting to track it, if only because Kevin Martin really pissed him off. :)

Thread: Mystery "Launch" Hypothetical Orbital Elements *SIGHTING INDIRECTLY CONFIRMED, SOMETHING IS OUT THERE!!!!* (Page 17)

Just wanted to say I'm still at the conference; it goes until Wednesday. Presented my research today, went quite well. Unfortunately the Internet sucks here worse than I could have imagined, so I haven't been able to get online very often at all. Also, the last elements showed no useful passes for this location while I'm here.

That said, I have a plan to prove Kevin wrong about the claim that I'm lying through my teeth. As was mentioned, a rough orbit can be determined using a minimum of three sets of coordinates obtained from a single pass by a single observer. I really hoped Kevin wouldn't stoop to calling me a liar, but I will demonstrate the very thing he said I couldn't do by myself.
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The plane was a MD11 flight UPS902 traveling east toward Phoenix. MD11s have three engines, one on each wing and the third on the tail. When this type of jet is conning the three contrails made by the separate engines blend into one large contrail. Because of perspective a long persistent contrail looks like it is coming from the ocean surface but is really coming from the vanishing point. Because it is heading toward the zoomed in camera position it also appears to have a vertical trajectory. This same contrail view from the side would appear to run horizontal. The reason that so many conspiracy sites are promoting this persistent contrail as a missile is because it completely destroys the silly hoax of chemtrails. Chemtrails do exist but are extremely short measuring about 6 inches, the approximate distance between the left ear and the right ear of those uniformed paranoid people who are convinced that the government is spraying their own people with some concoction of chemicals from 30,000ft in order to depopulate the planet according to Agenda 21. In other words "nutcases".
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BULLSHIT!

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

UPS902 was headed to LA (Ontario, California to be specific) NOT Phoenix. Now what pilot in their right mind would BLAST STRAIGHT UP into the sky 10 minutes from his destination?
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The plane was a MD11 flight UPS902 traveling east toward Phoenix. MD11s have three engines, one on each wing and the third on the tail. When this type of jet is conning the three contrails made by the separate engines blend into one large contrail. Because of perspective a long persistent contrail looks like it is coming from the ocean surface but is really coming from the vanishing point. Because it is heading toward the zoomed in camera position it also appears to have a vertical trajectory. This same contrail view from the side would appear to run horizontal. The reason that so many conspiracy sites are promoting this persistent contrail as a missile is because it completely destroys the silly hoax of chemtrails. Chemtrails do exist but are extremely short measuring about 6 inches, the approximate distance between the left ear and the right ear of those uniformed paranoid people who are convinced that the government is spraying their own people with some concoction of chemicals from 30,000ft in order to depopulate the planet according to Agenda 21. In other words "nutcases".



BULLSHIT!

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

UPS902 was headed to LA (Ontario, California to be specific) NOT Phoenix. Now what pilot in their right mind would BLAST STRAIGHT UP into the sky 10 minutes from his destination?
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I agree with you that UPS902 did land at Ontario, it was AWE808 that went to Phoenix, but it doesn't change things. It was still just a jet(MD11)leaving a 80mile long contrail that extended to the horizon line giving the impression to allot of people that it was a launch from the sea. This MD11 was also 150 miles away from the helicopters 20x zoom camera. Objects heading toward the viewer straight on will appear to be heading vertically if the line starts at the horizon.

[link to contrailscience.com]
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The plane was a MD11 flight UPS902 traveling east toward Phoenix. MD11s have three engines, one on each wing and the third on the tail. When this type of jet is conning the three contrails made by the separate engines blend into one large contrail. Because of perspective a long persistent contrail looks like it is coming from the ocean surface but is really coming from the vanishing point. Because it is heading toward the zoomed in camera position it also appears to have a vertical trajectory. This same contrail view from the side would appear to run horizontal. The reason that so many conspiracy sites are promoting this persistent contrail as a missile is because it completely destroys the silly hoax of chemtrails. Chemtrails do exist but are extremely short measuring about 6 inches, the approximate distance between the left ear and the right ear of those uniformed paranoid people who are convinced that the government is spraying their own people with some concoction of chemicals from 30,000ft in order to depopulate the planet according to Agenda 21. In other words "nutcases".



BULLSHIT!

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

UPS902 was headed to LA (Ontario, California to be specific) NOT Phoenix. Now what pilot in their right mind would BLAST STRAIGHT UP into the sky 10 minutes from his destination?

I agree with you that UPS902 did land at Ontario, it was AWE808 that went to Phoenix, but it doesn't change things. It was still just a jet(MD11)leaving a 80mile long contrail that extended to the horizon line giving the impression to allot of people that it was a launch from the sea. This MD11 was also 150 miles away from the helicopters 20x zoom camera. Objects heading toward the viewer straight on will appear to be heading vertically if the line starts at the horizon.

[link to contrailscience.com]
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BULLSHIT AGAIN. 808 has already been debunked.

HAVING another 2 hours of flying left in its journey there would be no reason for it to be near sea level, much less, BLASTING STRAIGHT UP into the sky.

Oh and BTW, the helicopter WAS NOT 150 miles away.
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The plane was a MD11 flight UPS902 traveling east toward Phoenix. MD11s have three engines, one on each wing and the third on the tail. When this type of jet is conning the three contrails made by the separate engines blend into one large contrail. Because of perspective a long persistent contrail looks like it is coming from the ocean surface but is really coming from the vanishing point. Because it is heading toward the zoomed in camera position it also appears to have a vertical trajectory. This same contrail view from the side would appear to run horizontal. The reason that so many conspiracy sites are promoting this persistent contrail as a missile is because it completely destroys the silly hoax of chemtrails. Chemtrails do exist but are extremely short measuring about 6 inches, the approximate distance between the left ear and the right ear of those uniformed paranoid people who are convinced that the government is spraying their own people with some concoction of chemicals from 30,000ft in order to depopulate the planet according to Agenda 21. In other words "nutcases".



BULLSHIT!

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

UPS902 was headed to LA (Ontario, California to be specific) NOT Phoenix. Now what pilot in their right mind would BLAST STRAIGHT UP into the sky 10 minutes from his destination?

I agree with you that UPS902 did land at Ontario, it was AWE808 that went to Phoenix, but it doesn't change things. It was still just a jet(MD11)leaving a 80mile long contrail that extended to the horizon line giving the impression to allot of people that it was a launch from the sea. This MD11 was also 150 miles away from the helicopters 20x zoom camera. Objects heading toward the viewer straight on will appear to be heading vertically if the line starts at the horizon.

[link to contrailscience.com]

As UPS902 approached the So.Cal. coast it's descent caused the conning to stop as the plane enter warmer air. Condensation trails can only form in -40 100% Rh air.
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The plane was a MD11 flight UPS902 traveling east toward Phoenix. MD11s have three engines, one on each wing and the third on the tail. When this type of jet is conning the three contrails made by the separate engines blend into one large contrail. Because of perspective a long persistent contrail looks like it is coming from the ocean surface but is really coming from the vanishing point. Because it is heading toward the zoomed in camera position it also appears to have a vertical trajectory. This same contrail view from the side would appear to run horizontal. The reason that so many conspiracy sites are promoting this persistent contrail as a missile is because it completely destroys the silly hoax of chemtrails. Chemtrails do exist but are extremely short measuring about 6 inches, the approximate distance between the left ear and the right ear of those uniformed paranoid people who are convinced that the government is spraying their own people with some concoction of chemicals from 30,000ft in order to depopulate the planet according to Agenda 21. In other words "nutcases".



BULLSHIT!

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

UPS902 was headed to LA (Ontario, California to be specific) NOT Phoenix. Now what pilot in their right mind would BLAST STRAIGHT UP into the sky 10 minutes from his destination?

I agree with you that UPS902 did land at Ontario, it was AWE808 that went to Phoenix, but it doesn't change things. It was still just a jet(MD11)leaving a 80mile long contrail that extended to the horizon line giving the impression to allot of people that it was a launch from the sea. This MD11 was also 150 miles away from the helicopters 20x zoom camera. Objects heading toward the viewer straight on will appear to be heading vertically if the line starts at the horizon.

[link to contrailscience.com]

As UPS902 approached the So.Cal. coast it's descent caused the conning to stop as the plane enter warmer air. Condensation trails can only form in -40 100% Rh air.

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back to 902 now? make up your mind bro...

Your explanation is exactly why everyone believes this was not a plane.

you clearly didn't see this happen did you?

I saw it with my own two eyes. Not a plane. Case Closed
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It was 902s descent to land at Ontario airport that caused the conning to stop. The missile idea has been completely debunked and is yesterdays news. It was clearly this plane and not any type of missile. Just read this link and all will understand.Case closed.
[link to contrailscience.com]
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if anyone payed attention to the live footage of obamas g20 speech you might think diffrently about the "contrail" side of the conspiracy and think more towards the "missile" side

and youtube wont help either

for more info search on GLP "obama press confrence live now"

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Twas a missile, but if some of you fools want to believe it was a plane go right on ahead.
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(CBS) A mysterious missile launch off the southern California coast was caught by CBS affiliate KCBS's cameras Monday night, and officials are staying tight-lipped over the nature of the projectile.

CBS station KFMB put in calls to the Navy and Air Force Monday night about the striking launch off the coast of Los Angeles, which was easily visible from the coast, but the military has said nothing about the launch.

KFMB showed video of the apparent missile to former U.S. Ambassador to NATO Robert Ellsworth, who is also a former Deputy Secretary of Defense, to get his thoughts.

Scroll down for KFMB video showing the launch.

"It's spectacular… It takes people's breath away," said Ellsworth, calling the projectile, "a big missile".

Magnificent images were captured by the KCBS news helicopter in L.A. around sunset Monday evening. The location of the missile was about 35 miles out to sea, west of L.A. and north of Catalina Island.

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NO FEAR!!

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It was 902s descent to land at Ontario airport that caused the conning to stop. The missile idea has been completely debunked and is yesterdays news. It was clearly this plane and not any type of missile. Just read this link and all will understand.Case closed.
[link to contrailscience.com]
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I went through this over and over again so please 1158908 do your resaerch before wasting our time with your mis-informed posts.

1. Check the flight path of flight 902
2. Check the arrival time of flight 902
3. Check the time the CBS video was shot of the contrails over the Pacific
4. Check the air speed flight 902 was traveling during flight and decent
5. Determine location of flight 902 at time CBS video was taken

Check and compare all these things and you will see for yourself that this was not flight 902, nor was it flight 808.

I do not know what that was, but I do know it was NOT flight 808 or 902...those flights have been debunked already
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It was 902s descent to land at Ontario airport that caused the conning to stop. The missile idea has been completely debunked and is yesterdays news. It was clearly this plane and not any type of missile. Just read this link and all will understand.Case closed.
[link to contrailscience.com]
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you are so wrong I dont know were to start....

the contrail was going UP not down.

it was not descending.

That link is wrong and has be debunked by many... It shows a flight path and the missile path... you can clearly see the missile path going straight UP. yet the sight states it follows the flight path. Look for yourself with out reading their wrong info.
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It was 902s descent to land at Ontario airport that caused the conning to stop. The missile idea has been completely debunked and is yesterdays news. It was clearly this plane and not any type of missile. Just read this link and all will understand.Case closed.
[link to contrailscience.com]



I went through this over and over again so please 1158908 do your resaerch before wasting our time with your mis-informed posts.

1. Check the flight path of flight 902
2. Check the arrival time of flight 902
3. Check the time the CBS video was shot of the contrails over the Pacific
4. Check the air speed flight 902 was traveling during flight and decent
5. Determine location of flight 902 at time CBS video was taken

Check and compare all these things and you will see for yourself that this was not flight 902, nor was it flight 808.

I do not know what that was, but I do know it was NOT flight 808 or 902...those flights have been debunked already
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AMEN!
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It was 902s descent to land at Ontario airport that caused the conning to stop. The missile idea has been completely debunked and is yesterdays news. It was clearly this plane and not any type of missile. Just read this link and all will understand.Case closed.
[link to contrailscience.com]
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One other point.

Your lack of knowledge on the subject and your lack of education should tell you that you are the last person anywhere to claim "case closed".

Do your research, learn the facts, apologize for your incorrect post, then shut your hole.
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All completely explained right here:
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it was a chinese missile. Three years after they surfaced an attack sub in the middle of a carrier group, remember that? Now they have shown the can take over and hack any network they want. This is a show of force plain and simple. All this tech was given to them under Clinton's admin. Now we can't deal with it so the media tries to hide it from us. This is the real world, time for something to give, whats it going to be???
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you should check the credentials on the people of that site. Mere hobbyists. The info given is obviously wrong, the truth will come.
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Again, you are incorrect.

The sites you posted only offer a "possible" explantion, they do not explain as fact what the CBS video did show.

1. Does not tell us exactly what plane type
2. Dose not tell us the flight # of said plane
3. Does not tell us air speed, KTS
4. Does not tell us flight path or destination
5. Does not identify plane, flight, or any aircraft, that made the contrail shown on the CBS video at approx 4:51pm

All those sites do is offer a "possible" explantion and your dumb ass read it as fact.

What we "DO KNOW" is:

1. Records of all flights at the time the CBS video was recorded as reported by the FAA
2. Flights and flight #'s of all air traffic that could possibly have made that contrail
3. Flight paths, destinations, air speeds, altitudes, of all said flights.
4. Video proof of where the contrail was at approx 4:51pm

With all the "FACTS" that we are presented with, we can factually determine that the contrail was not made by any airplane in US airspace.

Look 1158908, I don't have the time or desire to correct you everytime you post. I just hate false or misleading info on posts.

Please go play with you Stars Wars toys and let the adults figure this one out.
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it was a chinese missile. Three years after they surfaced an attack sub in the middle of a carrier group, remember that? Now they have shown the can take over and hack any network they want. This is a show of force plain and simple. All this tech was given to them under Clinton's admin. Now we can't deal with it so the media tries to hide it from us. This is the real world, time for something to give, whats it going to be???
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The event with the Chinese sub in 2007 tells you nothing about capabilities... the USN war games with nations that have better AIP boats than the Yuan (systems actually made by Sweden) such as Japan, so you can bet we track those boats without too much difficulty.

In terms of Chinese boats that can actually fire such a missile, a large one, we can and do track those boats with relative ease. Look up how many Red force navies field SSBN's and SSGN's and how many SSN's we have in comparison and it should be fairly clear what the relative capabilities of the navies "in the water" should be.

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you might want t double check astronuts opinion.


Astronut is still attempting to track it, if only because Kevin Martin really pissed him off. :)

Thread: Mystery "Launch" Hypothetical Orbital Elements *SIGHTING INDIRECTLY CONFIRMED, SOMETHING IS OUT THERE!!!!* (Page 17)


Just wanted to say I'm still at the conference; it goes until Wednesday. Presented my research today, went quite well. Unfortunately the Internet sucks here worse than I could have imagined, so I haven't been able to get online very often at all. Also, the last elements showed no useful passes for this location while I'm here.

That said, I have a plan to prove Kevin wrong about the claim that I'm lying through my teeth. As was mentioned, a rough orbit can be determined using a minimum of three sets of coordinates obtained from a single pass by a single observer. I really hoped Kevin wouldn't stoop to calling me a liar, but I will demonstrate the very thing he said I couldn't do by myself.

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Just a note for Least servant.
Thanks mate, i enjoy your input.
i know im being pedantic but for the record i think astronut has stated he doesnt believe it was a missile and was doing his investigation as an exercise.
Heres a quote from page 16 of his thread.
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" Well I apologize if I haven't made it clear enough and maybe I haven't made it clear enough that I do not buy into the missile theory, I simply wanted to test it as a hypothesis however unlikely it may have been. I agree that none of the parameters were known and some such as altitude had no way of being known until something could be found, but such is the case with just about any classified satellite launch. "
The other people you reference ,im sure, are on board the missile theory. Even David Letterman has been covering the missile story so it must be true. lol (he's as irratating as kevin the weather man eh).
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it was a chinese missile. Three years after they surfaced an attack sub in the middle of a carrier group, remember that? Now they have shown the can take over and hack any network they want. This is a show of force plain and simple. All this tech was given to them under Clinton's admin. Now we can't deal with it so the media tries to hide it from us. This is the real world, time for something to give, whats it going to be???


The event with the Chinese sub in 2007 tells you nothing about capabilities... the USN war games with nations that have better AIP boats than the Yuan (systems actually made by Sweden) such as Japan, so you can bet we track those boats without too much difficulty.

In terms of Chinese boats that can actually fire such a missile, a large one, we can and do track those boats with relative ease. Look up how many Red force navies field SSBN's and SSGN's and how many SSN's we have in comparison and it should be fairly clear what the relative capabilities of the navies "in the water" should be.
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then why so much confusion in our response to this? I still think that there could be alot of ability in China we would have trouble with. What about all the embeded chips in our defense systems, fighters, missiles, radars ect. what if they can disable these chips. Then what? Do you really think our great leader lol is ready to counter China?
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Just a note for Least servant.
Thanks mate, i enjoy your input.
i know im being pedantic but for the record i think astronut has stated he doesnt believe it was a missile and was doing his investigation as an exercise.
Heres a quote from page 16 of his thread.
quote:
" Well I apologize if I haven't made it clear enough and maybe I haven't made it clear enough that I do not buy into the missile theory, I simply wanted to test it as a hypothesis however unlikely it may have been. I agree that none of the parameters were known and some such as altitude had no way of being known until something could be found, but such is the case with just about any classified satellite launch. "
The other people you reference ,im sure, are on board the missile theory. Even David Letterman has been covering the missile story so it must be true. lol (he's as irratating as kevin the weather man eh).
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True... I would put Astronut a maybe on the fence and leaning missile... he is quick to debunk and dismiss stuff he considers non-sense... so I am judging by his dedication to the cause. I know he was genuinely surprised when he thought he might have found something! :)
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Re: BREAKING Mystery Missile Launch Seen off Calif. Coast
then why so much confusion in our response to this? I still think that there could be alot of ability in China we would have trouble with. What about all the embeded chips in our defense systems, fighters, missiles, radars ect. what if they can disable these chips. Then what? Do you really think our great leader lol is ready to counter China?
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The US public's opinion of the matter is not relevant provided there is no mass panic.

I think it is an on-going situation with a need-to-know information control, and the USG doesn't want to overtly lie to us, if you can believe that!

I believe that if this was truly an "uncontrolled" event, the masters of message would have taken charge from the beginning and made sure this issue was squashed. :)

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then why so much confusion in our response to this? I still think that there could be alot of ability in China we would have trouble with. What about all the embeded chips in our defense systems, fighters, missiles, radars ect. what if they can disable these chips. Then what? Do you really think our great leader lol is ready to counter China?


The US public's opinion of the matter is not relevant provided there is no mass panic.

I think it is an on-going situation with a need-to-know information control, and the USG doesn't want to overtly lie to us, if you can believe that!

I believe that if this was truly an "uncontrolled" event, the masters of message would have taken charge from the beginning and made sure this issue was squashed. :)
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I agree 100%. Wait and see game now.
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Re: BREAKING Mystery Missile Launch Seen off Calif. Coast
Seems to me two or three options are possible.

#1 US shoots its own missile stays mum, so as to implicate China without a word

#2 China sends warning to US by firing the missile near US waters

#3 A false flag that some didn't have the stomach to follow through on, and therefore reveals a breach in command and control.

I remember reading once the phrase "the action is in the reaction." Just watch to see what happens in the pentagon in the coming weeks and months as well as on the world seen.

It may become evident in some strange corner somewhere in the news.

And regardless of the outcome it does show how very critical these days are.

2Timothy 3:1-5, Mt 24; Luke 21; Mark 13; Rev 6:1-7 reads like a play book!





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