I do not believe any form of technology is true progress.

and without this technology how do you think you would read up about this spiritual growth that you desire ?

would it be passed down to you on slate/parchment or some other "ye olde" device ?

lets face it - the internet has woken lots of you spiritual people up to this whatever it is you have awoken to and without technology , you would be simple farm people without a clue

Oh, ya can´t beat sliced bread. And toilets are nice. Toilet paper! Gotta love that. AC! Can´t live without it! Hey, I can make a list a mile long. You´re an idiot!

Without technology we would be doing manual labor 16 hours a day just to survive. Not much time for thinking or learning about spiritual things when you´re doing physical labor. Nathanial Hawthorne found out when he was staying at Brooke Farm commune that he had no inspiration to write because the hard farm work took all his energy and tired his mind.

But ULTIMATELY we wont need technology if the progress is great enough. And what makes the internet so great is only the fact that spiritual progress can be explored through it ...other than that its weak. And how did we get along without the little conveniences for millions of years before ? We evolved to this point without them and irony is ..NOW we stand on the threshold of destroying ourselves. Some growth.

If we had colonies on the moon ..so what ...we´d probably still have prisons and casinos and and other weaknesses. So what progress would really have been made ?

You need to read the Unabombers Manifesto - He felt technology was killing our society.

So he tried to kill technology.... fucked up logic - but an interesting read.

Just Google it...

893 there is something to be said with hands on land experience and in my opinion its very spiritual ...If a man cant find spiritual truth in good hard hands on labor with the land... NOT machined ...Then in my opinion he is not very spiritually knowing.

The good Earth ..the quiet of no machines. The sounds of nature. The smells of nature. The sights of nature. All around you. Wow that is spiritual in my opinion.

The unabomber took the wrong approach ...He didnt have to bomb anything ...all he had to do was wait for the tech world to kill itself. Unless it finds its spiritual center it will. I should say its spiritual importance it will.

Working on the land is fine as long as it´s not 16 hours a day 6 days a week. I´m speaking from experience. I love to experience nature and do things out in the country, but I also like to spend long hours reading and just goofing off. Not much time to read or ponder spiritual things when you are a farmer with no modern technology and have a family or a community to feed. Along with the spiritual progress we have to have miraculous technology that frees us from the constant manual labor.

Funny thing is why was it always the western cultures that had to work the land so hard ? Aboriginies and others around the world who knew the land found time to practice their spiritual beliefs and didnt have to work the land 16 hours a day. Why ? Why the complete difference in two cultures that shared the same planet ?

When the first European colonist came to the new worlds they found happy people who were deeply spiritual and with an abundance of life around them. The first settlers were stunned by the amount of life they found ...Food sources everywhere. Rivers and streams heavy with life. Forest rich with game. The great plains ran black with big buffalo. Imagine how one buffalo can feed an entire family for a long time.

Well get the heck off the computer then, talk about the ultimate hypocrite. LOL

As i have said in an earlier post ....the internet is only good because one can convey a message of spirit. I took the hypocrit title off me by conveying the one thing the internet is good for. Yes the internet can be a good exception ..so can many forms of technology ....but not without the spirit and some forms of technology are just down right wrong. Notice the word SOME.

2212 fell asleep Pocohontas and had a Redman Fantasy.

the Native As who were in place when the Europeans arrived were just the latest wave of immigrants who displaced or killed off earlier Injuns. That included a cannibal tribe on the Missouri which the other Redskins had the good sense to exterminate.

before they had rifles and horses, you know how these Noble Savages killed bison, don´t you? they stampeded entire herds off cliffs, so they´d kill a hundred times more animals than they´d need.

and you know that the Apache and the Spanish taught scalping to each other, right?

cool, eh?

So, the Indians started out taller and with fairer skin, but took on token attributes of the pre-Indians?

I wish these anti-technology types could be made to spend a couple of years without technology.
Living off the land is a good skill to have in an emergency but it does not make for a long life no matter how good you are at it.

in 2212´s anti-tech world, he´d be typing away at his computer in some Tolkien fantasy world, his imaginary girlfriend at his feet, while dolphins fly through the air and gnu age muzak plays softly.

So, the Indians started out taller and with fairer skin, but took on token attributes of the pre-Indians?

are you gibbering on purpose?

Just asking a simple question. There´s no need to be rude.

in 2212´s anti-tech world, he´d be typing away at his computer in some Tolkien fantasy world, his imaginary girlfriend at his feet, while dolphins fly through the air and gnu age muzak plays softly.

We used to live without technology, and it seems we indeed could live without it. However it is so everywhere today, we put all our hope in it and totally depend on it.

In our conquest of nature, in our yearning for control and for always greater technology, we program our own destruction. We believe we are progressing, but it´s not so. All new technologies only engender more dependance, in some cases even reduce man himself to a machine, and always more control and domination are sought through it. But when this technology is swept away, what will we do? Because it will eventually be swept away, this is inevitable. All civilisations rise and fall, and resisting the fall only makes it more violent.

All this technological "progress" is to me also quite illusory. Progress is becoming aware of what never perishes, of what is never born and thus never dies. Though one may live in a technological world, one may still spiritually progress if one remains in awareness of his Roots. Though one may use such techonology, one who is truly aware will find that "innner technology" is way greater than any outer technology we may make up.

THat´s stupid television, computers that keeps out of trouble and plus if u don´t jave anything to do all u have to do is turn one on.Duh/

just for the record, there are hundreds of different Native A´s, they have a diversity of culture and religious beliefs greater than the Europeans do.

lumping them all together in some kind of Noble Savage fantasy like the OP does is really condescending and in fact is exactly what whites with guilty consciences did in the 19th century.

as for what they looked like then and now, they´re decendents of eurasian stock.

Does this mean there were short people with dark skins and curly hair inhabiting the Americas before white giants with double rows of teeth, red or blonde hair and other strange features like enormous noses and ears, somehow mated with the original people to form the hybrid red indian, who having assimilated the anomalous bloodline prior to the flooding of the land bridge (isolation), then turned on the remnant of the original settlers?

Is this why the white man felt it almost his duty to erradicate the memory of them (Native Americans) as quickly as possible?

Is this why they hide the bones of oversized skeletons that are found?

Just curious.

16948 says, "All this technological ´progress´ is to me also quite illusory. Progress is becoming aware of what never perishes, of what is never born and thus never dies."


let´s pretend 16948´s kid is exposed to bubonic plague during a hike in the New Mex backcountry. will 16948:

(a) hug a tree
(b) seek out a Gnu Age shaman to shake a feather rattle at the kid or,
(c) run screaming to an M.D. for antibiotics?

We are all of the same race. Human. We are intelligent. We can live with technology and enjoy our primitiveness simultaneously. I do, every single day.

I´ve noticed people don´t like answering my questions. Perhaps I should start a new thread about double rows of teeth.

Two things are nice for spiritual progress:

1) Freedom to worship your God as you see fit

and

2) enough spare time to give thought to worshiping your God as you see fit.

If you are spending 200% of your time finding food and shelter then you don´t have 2. If you live under a atheist Communist Dictator such as Putin or Castro then you don´t have 1.

Be thankful if you have both and surprise, surprise!! Technology helps with attaining 2 and if not misused it can help with 1.

573, why don´t you stop asking questions that would embarass a housecat. then someone might take you seriously.

Why would a housecat be embarassed to ask about double rows of teeth?