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Why does God create sub standard souls?

 
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Why does God create sub standard souls?
Why does God create sub standard souls?

In the beginning, God judged his creations good. Gen 1; 31

Scripture says that God is perfect and that his works are as well. Matt 5; 48, Deu 32; 4
Many do not think that things are particularly good or perfect yet scripture says they must be. Matt 7; 18

You will likely agree with those who say that there is more evil than good in the world. I tend to disagree but few see things as I do.
Many think that things are bad but that they are going exactly the way God wants and if you are in this camp, I thank you for your opinion and discard it as quite illogical.

In fact, if you look at the system God created from afar, you would have to say, if theist opinion is true, that God has screwed up fairly badly because more of the souls he is reported to love, go to hell rather than heaven. You might also wonder why God could not control heaven when only the angels were there and why he also lost control of the earth and had to use genocide on man in Noah’s day. God, after all, is supposed to be master of all, yet things do not go his way.

This observation of our system being corrupted, that you likely see, contradicts scripture and God’s judgment of good, which is upgraded to perfect. Deu 32; 4

The logic trail of the scriptures quoted says that the initial perfection or good that God created will maintain itself in that condition and pass it up over time. It cannot backslide.

It happens that some have asked themselves this before. A group of Jews whose culture was instrumental in shaping Christian belief. Scripture is based on their theories of God. I do not know if you would give them regard for a higher insight because of that but I give you this link to help jog the mind. I would not call it entertaining so much as enlightening. In fact, if you are not disturbed by it you will not likely be able to contribute a sound answer to this post. Unfortunately, I do not have the complete series but I do have the pertinent part. They found that God was guilty of abandoning them.
It appears that God has also abandoned the rest of us.

[link to www.youtube.com]

For those who think that God should not be judged, I offer this.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Adults can and should judge God’s performance.

As bad as things were for the Jews in the holocaust, I would remind you that about 16,000 of us starve to death daily while God, as in WWII, does nothing. This about equals in one year the number of Jews that were exterminated. We have been losing that many for some years now.

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Who is correct?

God, who judged all things good or perfect.

Or.

Most theists, who think that things are not good or perfect and that they will not get better till end time.

As a bonus question, why can God not produce one obviously good man without pestering a virgin and why does he keep producing sub standard souls or does he make them as perfect as scripture says?

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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?

Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Rom 9:22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction

Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory


Fortunately creation is not about us it's about Him and His Glory.
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
If there is a God (and I truly hope there is), then I would suggest he is universal, and therefore all enrgy in the Universe belongs to him.

Therefore, all souls also, so what difference does it make whatever your soul is?
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?

Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Rom 9:22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction

Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory


Fortunately creation is not about us it's about Him and His Glory.
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To glorify a genocidal maniac is a good thing.
Is Hitler your second choice or do you give that to Stalin?

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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
If there is a God (and I truly hope there is), then I would suggest he is universal, and therefore all enrgy in the Universe belongs to him.

Therefore, all souls also, so what difference does it make whatever your soul is?
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If he owns us then that makes him a slave owner.

You may like being a slave but most men do not.

Are you a man? Seems not slave.

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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
There is no god ... problem solved.
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
There is no god ... problem solved.
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lol right on
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
no, God does not make substandard souls. everyone is at a different level of spiritual evolvement,ok? that's why there are third world, developing world and modern day countries. Just stop and look at how this world all around you and how far alot of people have come in their spiritual evolvement.
People are at different levels,aren't they?
Some are more progressed than others, right?

That's how you need to look at it. There are no substandard souls, only different levels of spiritual awareness and development.
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
That's how you need to look at it. There are no substandard souls, only different levels of spiritual awareness and development.
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^this^
Born into this World
We create echoes of our inward yearnings
And Shift along the Axis
From matter to Spirit
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
[link to www.godandscience.org]
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
There is no god ... problem solved.
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Not really.

In the absence of God, 'government' assumes the role of all powerful benefactor/judge/slave owner.

I would point to the current state of affairs in the USA as an example.
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
Define standard in this context, please.
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
Half-souls and full souls.
This explains how the decendents of Adam and Eve could breed with other humans.

The vehicles are the same but some run on premium some don't.
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
There are no substandard souls, only different levels of spiritual awareness and development.
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No... there is no god. Unless you worship the VERY FIRST "GOD" - which was the sun, and then trace history to a time when people said: Duh, the sun isn't god ... umm .. the REAL god is out there - somewhere - but, you can't see him cuz, um .. well, he's invisible - yeah, that's it - he's invisible.
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
There are no substandard souls, only different levels of spiritual awareness and development.

No... there is no god. Unless you worship the VERY FIRST "GOD" - which was the sun, and then trace history to a time when people said: Duh, the sun isn't god ... umm .. the REAL god is out there - somewhere - but, you can't see him cuz, um .. well, he's invisible - yeah, that's it - he's invisible.
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rambling
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
What is the connection between the soul and the mind.

You were given perfect souls and sound minds with which to reason, but why do so many have weak minds and make poor choices?

Because you refuse to exercise your mind.

You allow your minds to grow weak and fat and lazy, and react from your base animal insticts.
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
There are no substandard souls, only different levels of spiritual awareness and development.

No... there is no god. Unless you worship the VERY FIRST "GOD" - which was the sun, and then trace history to a time when people said: Duh, the sun isn't god ... umm .. the REAL god is out there - somewhere - but, you can't see him cuz, um .. well, he's invisible - yeah, that's it - he's invisible.


rambling
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No dumb dumb - it's history. You'd know that if you ever studied it.
laugh
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
What is the connection between the soul and the mind.

You were given perfect souls and sound minds with which to reason, but why do so many have weak minds and make poor choices?

Because you refuse to exercise your mind.

You allow your minds to grow weak and fat and lazy, and react from your base animal insticts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1143489

Kind of like you - believing there is a soul.

Uh oh - what was that? Sounds like - cognitive dissonance chuckle
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
If everything on Earth was going according to God's plans, then Jesus wouldn't have told us to pray that God's will be done "on Earth, as it is in Heaven". God will be cleaning up the mess soon.

And there are no sub-standard souls. There are obedient souls and rebellious, disobedient souls. Both have chosen.

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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
There are no substandard souls, only different levels of spiritual awareness and development.

No... there is no god. Unless you worship the VERY FIRST "GOD" - which was the sun, and then trace history to a time when people said: Duh, the sun isn't god ... umm .. the REAL god is out there - somewhere - but, you can't see him cuz, um .. well, he's invisible - yeah, that's it - he's invisible.


rambling
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You're too kind.
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
If everything on Earth was going according to God's plans, then Jesus wouldn't have told us to pray that God's will be done "on Earth, as it is in Heaven". God will be cleaning up the mess soon.

And there are no sub-standard souls. There are obedient souls and rebellious, disobedient souls. Both have chosen.
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^^^THIS
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
What you see in the flesh is not always what is of the soul.

Keep the two separate.
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O Ephraim, what shall I do unto thee? O Judah, what shall I do unto thee? for your goodness is as a morning cloud, and as the early dew it goeth away.
Therefore have I hewed them by the prophets; I have slain them by the words of My mouth: and thy judgments are as the light that goeth forth.
For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. -Hosea 6.4-6
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
Every soul is perfect. What a loving and hopeful mother feels when she first holds her newborn infant is what the soul truly is.

Only human behavior is "corrupt," not the soul. Only human behavior is "advanced" or not, not the soul.

The soul is, was, and will forever remain that perfect thing that loving and hopeful mothers first see when all is fresh and new.

A thing of perfect beauty, filled with potential and worthy of infinite unconditional love.
No more requests in the "Strangest things" thread please. :hf:

Past Lives requests thread: Thread: That Which Once Was: Past Lives
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
no, God does not make substandard souls. everyone is at a different level of spiritual evolvement,ok? that's why there are third world, developing world and modern day countries. Just stop and look at how this world all around you and how far alot of people have come in their spiritual evolvement.
People are at different levels,aren't they?
Some are more progressed than others, right?

That's how you need to look at it. There are no substandard souls, only different levels of spiritual awareness and development.
 Quoting: hawk8414


I agree and literalists and fundamentals of the U S, Canada and the rest of the west are at the bottom of the enlightenment scale. They do not have a good reason for being so retarded.

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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
It's not the soul you need to concern yourself with. It is the physical mind that destroys.
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
He doesn't. Man does.
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
I sometimes think that God in creating man somewhat overestimated his ability.
—Oscar Wilde
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
Because man made god!
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
In my humble opinion, man does not have the ability to see the end from the beginning.

How then can a man judge anything before its time?
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
He really doesn't, it's the brainwashing and corruptness of the elite that trickles down and disallows people from developing to their true potential.
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Re: Why does God create sub standard souls?
Define standard in this context, please.
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It is said that God creates all things perfect. The standard then should be perfect yet most think that most will go to hell, indicating that God's idea of a perfect soul is rather shabby.

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