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Understand This: There Are No "Camps"......

 
Lester (OP)

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Virtually EVERY Aspect of contemporary business planning revolves around the false paradigm that money and credit are commodities.

Businesses that were very profitable at one time endeavored to move away from finance via banks and onto a self-funded basis. Bonds and preferred stock were stable instruments of self-finance. Investors knew management and owners, and trusted the accountant's certification; so they bought-in via the debt funding instruments that were protected unlike common-stock shares.

Yet, the banker-gangsters worked tirelessly to undermine all finance except what they offered. Insurance carriers were at one time also a source of funding for viable medium and up sized businesses or those with tangible property assets. Yet, insurers moved away from this role in the late 80s with the stock-market manias that day-trading launched.

Who were the first day-traders? Essentially men/women of some seniority that were down-sized or saw they could ride the manipulations of the equity markets so they retired and put their severance and retirement funds at risk. No longterm investments beyond a few months for these chaps. As computer power grew, and wireless phone and devices, the duration for round-trip trades often became less than a day. Most suffered loss during the 1986 and 1987 "corrections".

Now there are the Flash-Crash events that run stops and preset trading parameters in a matter of seconds! Time to play the Safaris hit song, Wipeout....

Basically, investment in securities of any type has become a day-to-day game of roulette; almost like the Russian persuasion. Investors stand to lose all virtually every day.


If the goal were not to siphon all the money out of non-insiders hands, the game would not be conducted in the fashion it operates today.

There is no intent to allow any pretense of Recovery for America. The age-old maxim/cliche is "YOU CAN'T DO BUSINESS WITH PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY"...

Our production from raw-materials is gone.
Our processing of such is gone.
Our manufacturing from our resources is gone.
The manpower experienced in operating wealth-production from raw-material resources has largeley died-off.
The manufacturers of machine tools and tooling are largely gone, or product so expensive that only government contractors can afford to use them...

The middle-class is destroyed, and the upper-class actually don't own wealth-production industries or resource production anylonger. There will be no rebuilding America because the bankers have removed money as a commodity and destroyed the ability to raise it via production.

Can't see this?
John Dewey and the Communist-inspired public education goals have dumbed-down America since the 1950s. The agenda was moved from college-level indoctrination in the 40s and 50s into lower grades by the late 60s. New math? Care to guess why the reasoning process had to be clouded and the means used to instruct mathematical precepts made much more difficult? Can't have The Masses able to reason clearly and think with logical progression. Might see what is happening to them....

But we never could bring ourselves to admit that those we trusted at ever level of society were actively seeking our demise...
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If there was a restoration intended, there would be money (actual wealth) available within The Nation to be put to work.

The money is gone.
The credit has been siphoned off with an industrial-strength Truck Vacuum Rig. Everything of value sucked out of America.

What was remaining has been severely impacted, essentially destroyed.

There is no longer a market for real estate.
Homeownership formed the foundation for most wealth in America. Due to the banks/MERS scamming and fraud, all property values took a 35% or greater hit. Just like a Flash-Crash; nothing we could do. Didn't matter if you lived in a flipper's paradise like San Diego or San Francisco; you got robbed by "market factoring in" the MERS and CDO swapping/securitizing.

American Citizens have actionable cause against the banker-mortgagors under "tort" law and principals. Never mind abrogation of Fiduciary Duty by public officials and every level of Federal Bureaucracy.

The robbery of The U.S. (US) took place with cooperation of those at the top and mid-level of every social, professional, governmental, and business entity throughout our society.

Fraud and Treasonous Betrayal of Fiduciary Duty renders the acts and deeds unenforceable and the obligations our Nation has been contrived to be bound to are simply invalid.

If your money and nation can be taken; why not your life?
Money is what you have traded much of your life for, in compensation and to "earn a living".

Since 1913, our money has been debased and devalued by about 99%. Such theft is implicit with fiat-money and money supply control by private entity (The non-federal, non-reserving bank).


Hope you are watching the Irish debacle this weekend.
Private banks who made bad loans not guaranteed by the nation or benefiting the nation's interest are being propped up while the National Pension Fund is looted to defray the bailout.

This is no different from a cop shaking you down for every last dollar you have in your wallet because Warren Buffet doesn't have enough cash to pay the parking garage and he might need a little walking-around money also...


Self-defense is a God-Given Right, inherent to all men and women. How is this not a financial murder or genocide perpetrated upon the innocent?

Next you will hear that Monsanto owns all rights to potato seed and Ireland will have to starve again or pay-up...


Who the fuck voted any of these U.N. and other One-World tribunal members and plenipotentaries their powers or even agreed/voted that they should exist and have any power at all?


Oh well, there are no camps.
But there is a final solution.
This time it is far from the ponderous system General Heydrich and the other Nazis mapped out.

Be aware that TPTB think they own you.
With ownership of a thing goes the right to destroy it.

In his opening speech in Patton, George C Scott addressing his troups remarks, "When you put your hand into a bunch of goo that a moment before was your best friend's face, you'll know what to do."

Your lives have essentially been turned into a bunch of goo by TPTB. The infrastructure that has supported US and the the rest of the world was intentionally dismantled to cause chaos and destruction. All the money they wanted has been seized. What they did not want, they destroyed. You just haven't seen hell come to breakfast yet; but you will! Only thing is, unless you got food stored-up for the duration, there won't be anything left on your table to breakfast upon...
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The Patton speech:


Now, I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country. Men, all this stuff you’ve heard about America not wanting to fight, wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of horse dung. Americans traditionally love to fight. All real Americans love the sting of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big league ball player, the toughest boxer. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That’s why Americans have never lost and will never lose a war. Because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans.

Now, an Army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of crap. The bilious bastards who wrote that stuff about individuality for the Saturday Evening Post don’t know anything more about real battle than they do about fornicating.

We have the finest food and equipment, the best spirit and the best men in the world. You know, by God I actually pity those poor bastards we’re going up against. By God, I do. We’re not just going to shoot the bastards, we’re going to cut out their living guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We’re going to murder those lousy Hun bastards by the bushel.

Now, some of you boys, I know, are wondering whether or not you'll chicken out under fire. Don't worry about it. I can assure you that you will all do your duty. The Nazis are the enemy. Wade into them. Spill their blood. Shoot them in the belly. When you put your hand into a bunch of goo that a moment before was your best friend's face, you'll know what to do.

Now there’s another thing I want you to remember. I don’t want to get any messages saying that we are holding our position. We’re not holding anything. Let the Hun do that. We are advancing constantly and we’re not interested in holding onto anything except the enemy. We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose.

There’s one thing that you men will be able to say when you get back home. And you may thank God for it. Thirty years from now when you’re sitting around your fireside with your grandson on your knee and he asks you what did you do in the great World War II, you won’t have to say, "Well, I shoveled shit in Louisiana."
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You will not be "taken".
When "they" come for you and your family, the intent is simply to kill.


How do you know that?


Christ Jesus IS Already Embarked Upon HIS Return.


How do you know that? When will He arrive?
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Discernment on both queries.
America has no money or refuses to spend any to benefit its citizens. Consider the $12B foodstamp funding cut which was used to fund states teacher salary shortfalls. Consider the Bailout Trillions that were nothing but a means to siphon money out of the Treasury.

More and more Americans are being dispossessed of the homes and jobs their parents and ancestors paid to establish. Government gave cash bonuses to American domiciled companies to move abroad. How treasonous is that? To use our tax dollars to benefit other nations and reduce revenues to cities and states those businesses were operating in.

Understand? None of this is by accident or due to poor planning. TPTB have been destroying US. All that remains is the killing.

Know how to read weather signs? Tracks in the field? Charts and other forecasting tools? Then you understand their intent is to do you/me in...


The Bridegroom tarries.
As per the parable of the wise and foolish virgins.

HE Will Be Returned sometime after the man-of-sin comes on the scene and is adored and venerated by the whole world.
From Matt ch 24:
19. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20. But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.


Christ Jesus Witnesses that the days will be shortened to prevent satan's plan of killing all flesh.

God Can and Will DO As HE Wills.
Do not expect HIM to allow the devil to come anywhere near thwarting HIS Plans...
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A witness from another thread. What really matters, if you Love Christ and feel desolate in the face of what is fast approaching. Surrender Unto The Father is the only means of Victory...



Re: ### IT IS TIME TO LET GO!!!! ### Quote

My witness here, namely that you must be Born-Again and that only by giving up your life Unto The Father can you become so, has been constant and plain for any to understand that might consider manifesting their heart Unto God.

Can't witness of your Born-Again experience, what you have Seen and Know? Figure it all begins and ends with Jesus, that HE is a circular-drive rather The Way Unto The Father as HE Witnesses?

The absence of witness and discernment in posting the phony words people crank out on a WWJD formula speaks volumes.

If you have no Knowledge, your beliefs and matters of faith will have to do; except Christ Tells those HE Doesn't Know, "Depart from ME you worker of iniquity". Carnality is alienation and estrangement from God; no matter how happy and joyful you feel about "accepting" HIM.

See? It ain't about how you feel about God.
It's about how strongly convicted and with how much feeling you live your life For-HIM...
Until you decide you really can Trust HIM and Abide In HIS Will no matter how dire it may appear, what you are doing is simply making pretense and posing.

Only two kinds of Christians, in my experience, really ever surrender; The PureHeart and the sinner. I was a sinner, yet the PureHeart thinks they are the the worst sort of sinner. Both come to a point in their lives where they are desperate for God to take their reigns and remove them from the curse of self-will. The PureHeart is desperate to Know God better, fully and satisfyingly. The sinner is desperate for God to be there because he/she has run out of options and no longer knows where to turn or who they might trust.

1 Timothy 1:15. This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Doesn't matter if you are a PureHeart or a hardcore sinner; you have to be willing to surrender unconditionally.
Many are called, but few are "chosen"; more aptly, few choose to surrender....

Carnality is such a foe that even in contemplation of God's Supreme Majesty and worthiness of all worship and confidence, the carnal-heart hangs in their with self, like some insouciant James Cagney tough-guy. Unable to accept witness that God IS All That IS Worthy And True, the carnal-heart figures it will co-opereate, and test the spirits...

What it is time to let go of is your carnality.
It is time in these final moments to pray about Trusting HIM Completely and if you find you can do so, open your heart with no restraint or reservation.

All the trappings of "the Christian life" are simply window-dressing if you can't make your surrender.
If you have surrendered, God Strengthens and Endows you to be all your could be, rather than reforming you into some role-model that the carnal-hearts can approve of. Living IN-HIM means not having to explain to other Born-Agains and not questioning their rationale; of course, The Holy Spirit Gives Witness of HIS Presence Within them so you Know Who They Are before you even are introduced...

No such witness or Witness received on these 10-11 pages. No "beliefs" offered for you to consider, only what I have Seen and Know. Jesus Gave Thomas HIS Wounds to examine so he would Know It Was HE. Yet, if you would be Born-Again you must decide that you can Trust God with every aspect of your life...

Who else really is there for you to Trust With Confidence?
All that is of the world will disappoint and break your heart. That is the nature of them who are alienated. Soon, every rock will bend its knee in answer to HIS Name. Pity that so few hearts can likewise Kneel and bend.

Maranatha!!!
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There are no camps...

No money to build them.
No money to stock them with food, kitchens, staff, sanitation, water, electricity.

Where are the Big Govt contracts for wire? That shit costs real money these days.

There was big talk last Summer about evacuating the Gulf Coast. Nowhere to put the people. Gonna house 50,000,000 somewhere in KS, NB, OK?

There are now 43,000,000 Americans on Food Stamps.
Goes up about 1M per month.
About 5,000,000 are losing their unemployment extensions.
Gonna be more people on Food Stamps yet in Aug, the Govt/Congress cut the budget by $12 Billion, effectively reducing it by 25%. In Feb of 2010 there were about 32M on Foodstamps... You do the math...


New thread on the board today about
"H.R. 645: ‘National Emergency Centers Establishment Act’ Makes FEMA CAMPS LEGAL"

Where is the money coming from?
Where will there be jobs to get people out of camps and off Foodstamps?

Why not just allow Govt to fund a stipend for housing in foreclosed and abandoned houses? Can't have that, too expensive or not fair and just; but they're gonna build "camps"?

All Govt has money for is a bullet or to dose you with some dire disease like bubonic plague. Probably won't use anthrax because the spores live for 5,000 years. Plague or some Ebola/Marburg variant seems about right. Just burn the dead, or compost them somehow...


About the only people still employed in the USA work for some level of Government, University, or Military-Big Pharma Industrial Complex. All private enterprise that derives more than 40% of its income from Govt work is a de-facto Govt affiliate.

Govt distributes so many Trillions to individuals and industry. They will never allow it to fail; yet, fail it must if we are to survive and restore America's Constitution.

Don't count on that!
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As Count Basie says when playing April In Paris, "One More Time..."


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And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?

Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?...


The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."


— Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn



More like a High-cap 10mm pistol with 3 or 4 extra magazines.
A .223 rifle with heavy match bullets or a .308 battle rifle will also be very expedient in the solutions dept...
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In late October, Congress passed a $269 Billion Government Continuation Bill. This money was expected to run The Federal Govt until December 3rd.


Sure enough, Thursday night another Continuation Bill was passed:
The Senate has sent a stopgap spending bill to President Barack Obama that's needed to prevent a government shutdown on Friday at midnight.

The bill passed by a voice vote. It gives negotiators in the lame-duck Congress two more weeks to try to pass a bill funding the government for the rest of the budget year, which ends Sept. 30.


Read more: [link to www.sanluisobispo.com]


In looking at 5-6 articles, none cite the amount of additional debt this authorizes. It took $269 Billion to run the country for the last 6 weeks, 10/28 to 12/3, so for two weeks seems likely that about $100 Billion should do the trick...


Still figure there are gonna be camps?
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The OP has it dead on.

The assholes have looted the country and sold us down the river.

He is right.. "FEMA camps" are bullshit, along with chemtrails and a host of other similar crap.

The next step is death. Be prepared


The Law of Attraction will give each what they focus upon.

My life is great. We are thriving,

Sorry yours sucks, hf
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What fucking planet are you on?You need to wake up fast because you will be crushed with that attitude. bsflag
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In late October, Congress passed a $269 Billion Government Continuation Bill. This money was expected to run The Federal Govt until December 3rd.


Sure enough, Thursday night another Continuation Bill was passed:
The Senate has sent a stopgap spending bill to President Barack Obama that's needed to prevent a government shutdown on Friday at midnight.

The bill passed by a voice vote. It gives negotiators in the lame-duck Congress two more weeks to try to pass a bill funding the government for the rest of the budget year, which ends Sept. 30.


Read more: [link to www.sanluisobispo.com]


In looking at 5-6 articles, none cite the amount of additional debt this authorizes. It took $269 Billion to run the country for the last 6 weeks, 10/28 to 12/3, so for two weeks seems likely that about $100 Billion should do the trick...


Still figure there are gonna be camps?
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The camps are already built.They are converted military bases.Ever heard of rex 84 or operation garden plot?Do some research. bsflag
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Costs money to run a "camp".

How many hundred millions per camp if it is a prison, work, or dislocated citizen facilities?

How'd it work out at the Superbowl during Katrina? Superdome holds what 35K if camped there, and there weren't enough toilets or any showers and sewers and water were overwhelmed?

America has not been spending the money on this. Never has. There is no facility in Alaska behind Anchorage to hold 500,000 people as has been reported.

The engineering companies are broke and mostly gone. Halliburton ain't building or rehabbing these jobs. Concrete companies are failing, lumber mills shut down. Costs $100 or more per foot to put up a storm fence for goodness sake. We haven't even mentioned the electric plants these places need to function. Figure they'll be on the grid?

There are no evacuation sites, no places for people to even camp out, have water, sewer and electric. Cost hundreds of billions to make these places functional and put up a roundup service of govt personnel in place.

Figure you are on a list? Please, you are so silly! Grow the fuck up.

Believe what you want, but with Patriot Act and all the other abandonment of our Constitutional Rights, if Govt wants you they can just take you anywhere anytime and no one will ever know...

The Nation is broke and ruined, but you figure you'll be in a camp? Who's gonna pay?

All you're worth is a bullet; if that. More likely a few bio-weapon spores is much more cost effective.

Like putting a tent over a house by the Exterminators, then they pump the insecticide in and the shit sits a couple days... That is about all we are to them. Nobody wants to camp with U.S.; they just want US to die...
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I get it.

You are hoping there are camps....
Camps mean maybe you have a chance, could be rescued or escape. Like The Great Escape... Except America is already Stallag 17 with the agent-provocateurs living prominently with US as "patriots".


Really goes against your grain to think this is all over your head, happening on another level... God and HIS enemy... You chose not to believe or think about HIM or The Bible. Okay, I get it...


satan appoints the power, wealth, and position in this world; at least for a short while longer. All he wants of you is your death... So, his minions will deliver; until the days are shortened which means they won't finish their task...


If you have food, gear, supplies, weapons and a way to stay warm/dry/hydrated and fed; you'll have a better chance than most.

If God is Directing your life, you cannot be harmed by satan or his minions...

Much easier to believe in bullshit internet scuttlebut like this or an EAT earthquake thread than deciding to Trust God with every aspect of your life.

Whatever.
Maybe you figure your Will Smith in Enemy of the State?
Don't look up, I guess is all I can tell you....
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The OP has it dead on.

The assholes have looted the country and sold us down the river.

He is right.. "FEMA camps" are bullshit, along with chemtrails and a host of other similar crap.

The next step is death. Be prepared
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Maybe they'll persuade the Chinese to come in and kill us.
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I have read through this thread from start,and re-read when needed;in which I wish to ask Lester a question.
My question to Lester..
Lester do you consider yourself 'born again'?

(I will wait for a response before I go deeper into why I ask.)

Next thing heavy on my heart,you want a witness?I am here!I have been here for a while now.I have posted a few things from time to time,trying to drop hints and 'get folks ready' for things to come..and coming quickly they are indeed!

Some know who I am,that has continued to remain between them and myself,for that I thank them for their continued silence.

Lester,some things you say are partial truths,but most are lies and misleading information.Your purpose I have yet to understand..it is not anyones fault here that are not privy to certain information,yet you act as if you KNOW ALL..I say you know nothing!

I know for a FACT,these concentration camps exist.
I know for a FACT,they are for the sole purpose of rounding up ,and reconditioning individuals here in the U.S.
I know for a FACT,they do house individuals now for 'therapy',gross experiments,and yes be-headings(guillotines)
I know for a FACT,orders have been given to pull individuals from their homes,and use lethal force if necessary.
I know for a FACT,they are prepared for a climatic event that will be taking place very soon;in which many will die.
I know for a FACT,Operation Cable Splicer,and Operation Garden Plot will be implemented once Rex 84 program is initiated.
Hurricane Katrina was an experiment,a test if you will, to see how some things could be carried out.
Our men slivered through caves and ordered to do 'things' ,to see if they would carry through their dedication,or fold.Those who folded didn't come home,(dead or other means of silence).
Yes we will be killed in the streets,(gathered up in transfer tubes)begging for our children,our mates,our loved ones..many will be given an out..be reformed or arrested(and eventually killed)....what will you choose?Blue or Red list?
Blue list camps are for reformees,they will be picked up later(within 6 weeks of action)
Red list camps are executed via decapitation,and placed in storage containers(coffins)
Ask any active military person..if you have been told that these folks are a high level risks ,seeking to destroy this great country,and a danger to the safety of your country,would you kill them?..answer..yes.
If you are told these people are infected and risk spreading a deadly virus, which is a national security risk..would you kill them?..answer..yes.
What do you think many are already being told??
I can not say how I know these facts,but I give my word..I will fight from every being in my body I can, to save as many as I can..there are others who will also..but don't trust me,don't trust Lester,or any other man..TRUST IN GOD and God alone,let HIM lead you to the truths.
There are safety areas,find them,and do so now...
March WILL come in like a lion and roar.Be prepared.
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I have read through this thread from start,and re-read when needed;in which I wish to ask Lester a question.
My question to Lester..
Lester do you consider yourself 'born again'?

(I will wait for a response before I go deeper into why I ask.)

Next thing heavy on my heart,you want a witness?I am here!I have been here for a while now.I have posted a few things from time to time,trying to drop hints and 'get folks ready' for things to come..and coming quickly they are indeed!

Some know who I am,that has continued to remain between them and myself,for that I thank them for their continued silence.

Lester,some things you say are partial truths,but most are lies and misleading information.Your purpose I have yet to understand..it is not anyones fault here that are not privy to certain information,yet you act as if you KNOW ALL..I say you know nothing!

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Kinda busy here, aren't you for a newbie?
None of your posts concern witness, God, or economics that I've seen. Who I am is nothing to you. I have about 11-12 threads authored on Born-Again Christianity in my profile of active threads. Infer from that what you choose.


Are you simply obtuse or just plain stupid?
America has been broken. In 1974 our National Debt was $280 Billion, the total debt owed since deficit spending began... Now it takes US 6 weeks to spend that much money... Oct 28 to Dec 3rd. Congress just passed another 2 wk spending authorization on Thurs night so they can "work towards a budget".


There are facilities.
Is there a "camps administration?"
Has Bechtel or Halliburton been working projects there getting these things ready for nefarious purposes?

TPTB much less Govt anywhere don't need all the people that are alive on earth. They've written for years, like UK Prince Phillip, that when dead he'd like to reincarnate as a virus and do the earth a favor..." TPTB have a goal of 95% die-off; reportedly.

Figure they're gonna round people up, transport, feed, house and then murder them? That they care enough to send their very best? A hallmark card of murder?

Why are Americans still armed?
Why are agent-provocateurs in our midst advising everything except what could promote retention of our Constitution and Traditional American values? The guy who says, "let's go blow up the bank" or "let's go loot the natl guard armory" is the man of TPTB. Those who tout up how effective Govt is, and monger the fear about "camps" and "lists" are also likely suspects.

You've been here, what? 4 weeks and have about 400 posts.
Must have lots to say. Why say it here? Why say it now?


If you know there are camps, gee; can you shoot a rifle?
Gonna just let the thugs drive around collecting innocent Americans as if they were hauling garbage to the land-fill?

Why tout BS like "reconditioning"?
The plan is murder, not some Pol-Pot kind of reform.
You figure Americans will do anything for a pay check?
Probably would, but Govt don't care about paying them.
All Govt is doing is looting US for their masters and to get their kickback rewards.

Govt don't have to spend money on shit, they just convince you they have and demoralize you. There are no operational camps. There are no contracts to make them functional. They bought a couple billion dollars of ammunition back in 2008 and 2009; not billions of MREs or other foodstocks to feed to the citizens.

Most of the USA gets money somehow from the Govt.
That is why there is no rebellion.
Everybody imagines they're patriotic, but takes Govt Money anyway...

America is slated to be removed as a power on the world scene due to nuclear events and attack. There may be refugee camps setup by the U.N. after. Not all will be gone, but enough to disrupt our ability to project power.

Everything removed that could be removed. God's People relocated and positioned where HE Has Willed them to be.

In 16 days, Winter begins. Jesus warns "...pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day". In Two more Fridays (Sabbath) before Winter.

Understand that HE Witnesses the Abomination that maketh desolate will occur and this is the sign for those in Judea to flee into the mountains, and that their journey will be tough. Before the man-of-sin shows up, America will be "gone in one hour"... the man with the plan will save the world and be so thrilling to almost all. Then comes the abomination, and the fleeing.

Two weeks and 1.5 days until Winter. 19 days until the first Sabbath of Winter. 18 days almost if you count from Intl dateline...


But, be of Good Cheer! Jesus IS Coming and Witnessed that the days will be shortened so all flesh could not be destroyed? God's Will IS Always Perfect!
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can ye not post anything without delving into yer idiotic religious beliefs? i like lunacy as much as the next person, but the religious variety is really offensive. and i would really like to be able to post on one of yer threads without being at odds with ye.
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Don't troll here with your bullshit middle-earth pagan dialect and pretense, okay?

Don't care about what you prefer.
America was founded by Christians, my people among them.
We had fun yesterday on the other thread talking a bit about Christianity and why Born-Again Christians wouldn't hassle you about God. You have free-will and I trust you are enjoying the shit out of it.

The "ye" and "yer" is pretty lame as are your discussions. Add something or dissent, otherwise just move on.
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Don't troll here with your bullshit middle-earth pagan dialect and pretense, okay?

Don't care about what you prefer.
America was founded by Christians, my people among them.
We had fun yesterday on the other thread talking a bit about Christianity and why Born-Again Christians wouldn't hassle you about God. You have free-will and I trust you are enjoying the shit out of it.

The "ye" and "yer" is pretty lame as are your discussions. Add something or dissent, otherwise just move on.
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america was founded by all kinds of people, some of them christian. some not. my ancestors were part of it too. and ye never fail to hassle me, good christian that ye are. and it's not trolling. it's reminding ye that there are other ways just as valid as yer way. it's reminding ye that trying to make everything be like ye just won't work.
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HE Will Be Returned sometime after the man-of-sin comes on the scene and is adored and venerated by the whole world.

how do you know that HE is not allready here, the scriptures plainly state that HE will come as a thief in the night entering the strongmans house and bind him.

resist
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HE Will Be Returned sometime after the man-of-sin comes on the scene and is adored and venerated by the whole world.

how do you know that HE is not allready here, the scriptures plainly state that HE will come as a thief in the night entering the strongmans house and bind him.

resist
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Why does it matter to you?
If you have not given your life to God, Trusting HIM Fully and Completely, then WHO IS HE to you???

Think God and Christ Jesus are just a couple of nice guys to co-operate with and give them benefit of the doubt on matters your unsure about? Or, are you dead to the world because you surrendered your life and will Unto The Father, for HIM to do with as HE Sees Fit?

Look, Christ HAS Won The Victory.
But what matters to you is can you Trust Father enough to Trust HIM Fully with every aspect of your life?

Many Christians figure another 3.5yrs from time abomination occurs. Yet, God Witnesses the days will be shortened.

Jesus' Return is "as a thief in the night" because other than Born-Agains, no one is Looking For HIM. If the householder knew the thief was coming, he would not have gone out. Like the 5 virgins who failed to bring enough oil. Were they dumb/foolish because they left to find oil and didn't stay in the escort party? All is a matter of Knowing God and Living IN HIS Accord.

Jesus Witnesses in John 17 that all HIS People are Preserved from all evil... What do you have to fear, other than not being Known By HIM, not being HIS? Yet, fear is not reason to Come Unto The Father; only through Love can you surrender.

Lots of Christians who couldn't Trust HIM Fully are going to die and suffer. Yet they will not be lost or condemned. God's Will IS Always Perfect! Either you Know or you don't.

Maranatha!!!
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Don't troll here with your bullshit middle-earth pagan dialect and pretense, okay?

Don't care about what you prefer.
America was founded by Christians, my people among them.
We had fun yesterday on the other thread talking a bit about Christianity and why Born-Again Christians wouldn't hassle you about God. You have free-will and I trust you are enjoying the shit out of it.

The "ye" and "yer" is pretty lame as are your discussions. Add something or dissent, otherwise just move on.

america was founded by all kinds of people, some of them christian. some not. my ancestors were part of it too. and ye never fail to hassle me, good christian that ye are. and it's not trolling. it's reminding ye that there are other ways just as valid as yer way. it's reminding ye that trying to make everything be like ye just won't work.
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Do the psychiatrist and orderlies know you have access to internet? No pagans on the Mayflower that I know. None with Columbus either. Don't recall any blonde, blue-eyed Indians greeting the Pilgrims. Leif Ericson not a signer of The Declaration of Independence as I recall.

Supreme Court in 1894 ruled that America is a Christian Nation.

Why not spend your time trying to get a try-out for one of Gimli's offspring in the new production of The Dwarf Who Trolled Me, by Billygoat Gruff? Or maybe drink a few more Gimlets and work on your schtick?

I have never hassled you. Heathens mean nothing to me.
I Know The Strait Gate to be closed, the Time for Surrender to have ended as was the Time for Prodigal Reunion. Five years ago or longer.

None of this matters to you. Why not begin your own thread?
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At one time, WalMart warehouse facilities were touted by the disinfo agents like Alex Jones and QuayleTard.

How many empty malls are there across the country?

How about QuayleTard and his minion, the Hawk touting the "smokey trucks". Portable crematoriums...


Dear God! Gonna rely on these idiots for "information"?
Are you?


I listened to the beginning of Alex Jones' show today, Sunday 12/5. He was touting his guest Webster Tarpley and mentioned a Bloomberg article that stated "The Federal Reserve loaned out a total of $28 Trillion in unaccounted dollars"....

Of course, Jones spent over an hour chatting Tarpley up about the Wikileaks bullshit and never got into the $28T number.

Understand all the effort being made to keep you confused and not able to focus? So you won't take action, prepare and move out of what will be their Kill-Zone while you still can.


Very similar with all the guys here and at other forums who watch the markets and chatter-on all day long about how smart they are as day-traders...


The volume of confusion is almost at overload level. Then you have the Seasonal Expectations and Traditions. People commenting about how terrible it is to take away the 99ers unemployment at X-mas time....


Minutes, hours, or days.
No way this goes on much longer.

Step back, decide WHO you can Trust Fully and make your commitment. I witness that God The Father IS the only person you can depend on. Do what you gotta do.

In collapse, all that will occur is mayhem and murder.
Be aware of what you need, what you have to have to stay Warm, Dry, Hydrated, Fed and Able To Defend.

Anyone, any place that ain't focusing on your needs and how to meet them is just distraction. You figure to play the markets right to the last second? You deserve to lose all you've risked there. Maybe the market just closes down due to "the crisis"? One day, maybe it opens again... Still, your money is lost. Can afford to risk it?

No more real property markets.
Not unless you got cash, and do a private deal.
Hard to find anyone that owns property or hasn't leveraged it with a loan. Nothing for you to buy with your appreciated metal profits. You waited too long to make your move. The poor have more options... Nothing left to lose, so you can load up your gear and go stealth camping; out of the line of fire....

Every city or town of over 25k or so has freeways or a town-loop that effectively isolates and divides the citizens. Easy to shut the exits down. Where you gonna go if all the highways are ordered closed? All your bug-out plans are just that, planned but not enacted...

Mesmerized by all the bullshit going on?

Kipling said if you can keep your head while others are losing theirs, you'll be a man. This is the time to focus and do what you need to do for you & yours. Get out of the Killing Zone, out of the line of fire.

There are no facilities gonna serve as a camp or refugee center. No Govt squad is gonna spend time on your or rehabilitate you for anything. Govt don't need you. They killed all the support infrastructure that could've kept you employed and able to be self-supporting.

Understand or die.
Let God Guide you or die.
That is about the size of it....
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Understand this: :stfu:
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I have read through this thread from start,and re-read when needed;in which I wish to ask Lester a question.
My question to Lester..
Lester do you consider yourself 'born again'?

(I will wait for a response before I go deeper into why I ask.)

Next thing heavy on my heart,you want a witness?I am here!I have been here for a while now.I have posted a few things from time to time,trying to drop hints and 'get folks ready' for things to come..and coming quickly they are indeed!

Some know who I am,that has continued to remain between them and myself,for that I thank them for their continued silence.

Lester,some things you say are partial truths,but most are lies and misleading information.Your purpose I have yet to understand..it is not anyones fault here that are not privy to certain information,yet you act as if you KNOW ALL..I say you know nothing!

I know for a FACT,these concentration camps exist.
I know for a FACT,they are for the sole purpose of rounding up ,and reconditioning individuals here in the U.S.
I know for a FACT,they do house individuals now for 'therapy',gross experiments,and yes be-headings(guillotines)
I know for a FACT,orders have been given to pull individuals from their homes,and use lethal force if necessary.
I know for a FACT,they are prepared for a climatic event that will be taking place very soon;in which many will die.
I know for a FACT,Operation Cable Splicer,and Operation Garden Plot will be implemented once Rex 84 program is initiated.
Hurricane Katrina was an experiment,a test if you will, to see how some things could be carried out.
Our men slivered through caves and ordered to do 'things' ,to see if they would carry through their dedication,or fold.Those who folded didn't come home,(dead or other means of silence).
Yes we will be killed in the streets,(gathered up in transfer tubes)begging for our children,our mates,our loved ones..many will be given an out..be reformed or arrested(and eventually killed)....what will you choose?Blue or Red list?
Blue list camps are for reformees,they will be picked up later(within 6 weeks of action)
Red list camps are executed via decapitation,and placed in storage containers(coffins)
Ask any active military person..if you have been told that these folks are a high level risks ,seeking to destroy this great country,and a danger to the safety of your country,would you kill them?..answer..yes.
If you are told these people are infected and risk spreading a deadly virus, which is a national security risk..would you kill them?..answer..yes.
What do you think many are already being told??
I can not say how I know these facts,but I give my word..I will fight from every being in my body I can, to save as many as I can..there are others who will also..but don't trust me,don't trust Lester,or any other man..TRUST IN GOD and God alone,let HIM lead you to the truths.
There are safety areas,find them,and do so now...
 Quoting: DeltaUp

First this: :clappa:

Then this: :damned:

Thanks for the "heads-up", Delta! I will see you on the other side!
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First this: :clappa:

Then this: :damned:

Thanks for the "heads-up", Delta! I will see you on the other side!
 Quoting: ^Watcher^



Ah, Watcher!

If you were Ezekiel 36 Born-Again, wouldn't The Holy Spirit have Guided you to be "out of the line of fire"? HE Did this for me and my family many years ago. Wasn't really until 2007 or so that I began sharing my experience with survivalist preparations here on this site. Probably 20 or 30 some odd threads on various subjects and a concise summary from a 20 page discussion, also one on "survival guns" and one on riflery.

Funny to see the deltaup is also new here and has not returned to reply...

If the Govt weren't broke, and the engineering companies and builders were still in more than skeleton staff condition, maybe there could be "camps" ready to operate. Yet America is broken beyond repair. No money and no funding to pay the vast hordes of killers to take folks away, mean some other means of killing is gonna happen. In my This Is It. The Time Is Now! thread I mention God having Shown me the nuclear devastation of America.

Not like that is a big deal in the final moments. Mystery Babylon the city/state/nation; "gone in one hour" from the world scene.


Watcher, if your dependency were On God, as is the case for a truly Born-Again, you would not find wisdom and info on message boards; you would have witness to share and could impart what God has Done For you and Enabled you to prepare for.

Too bad you can't witness of being an Ezekiel Born-Again, you would have something to offer instead of look for carnal-hearted BS that appeals to what you expect and hope for.

Oh well. You are either Of-HIM or you aren't.
Soon you will Know that it does really matter, and posturing and pretense avail nothing.
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Camps. Let's analyze this matter.
Where will the money come from to fund the "800 camps" with how many tens of thousands of employees, functionaries and operatives?

5% or 10% of the population going to be "encamped"? 16.5 million or 33 million some odd adults? Gonna be fell-swooped up from the general population, are they?

How many cars or vans operating? Even if the Camp-Administration uses bus transport, a city bus holds maybe 100 citizen consignments? How long to fill a bus going from neighborhood region to pickup citizens? Maybe 4 hours? Or will there be shuttles bringing citizens? Talking a million vehicles and tens of thousands of buses.

Where are the drivers, the Pickup Escorts, the tactical interventionists? Where are the buses? When were they built and when did Govt staff the administration and hire the flunkies to do their NKVD dirty-work???

Gotta round em up all at once. Otherwise, rumor and reports get out, and then there's resistance. Gonna nerve-gas the whole city and then cherrypick the correct folks?

Can you begin to see the insanity of the red/blue list believers and the camp prognosticators?


Money. Contractors get paid over $100k ea. Admin personnel much more. Vans cost about $40k, Buses about $250k.

How many employees? Maybe a half-million? More?

TPTB want the die-off. Maybe the money gets budgeted, but why pay it out? Just kill everybody you haven't already "hired and moved out" and save the money...

24/7 operation. Need 3x maybe 4x the number of employees to do the work. Like the US Army has 8 non-combatants for every soldier in the field... Very Expensive.

Bio weapons kill for pennies on the dollar.
Brew up a batch of plague for maybe $300. Buy a crop duster or use atomizing sprayers from cars for a couple thousand. Big Die-Off, Low Cost. Quick...

Oh, but you figure to "burn in the camps".
More like corpses will burn.
Ray Bradbury envisioned Fahrenheit 451, but never contemplated the combustion temp of the human body... They Shoot Horses, Don't They?


Plague or Ebola seem most realistic to me, if there were anything other than nuclear devastation planned. Never Gotten Witness of anything but the nukes. But you can be sure all sorts of shit will happen in that aftermath...

No money for camps.
No employees to run them.
No transport to make them happen.
No gear in place or anywhere to make them a reality.


Derivatives have been the vehicle to Loot America at a -0- cost basis. The Perfect Fraud. More effective than nukes, they destroy everything but leave the physical intact. Almost like a neutron bomb, but no production costs besides some lawyer Word document and laser-jet ink. The perfect weapon. All your money is gone; except it isn't, it's just been stolen from you and transferred to TPTB.

But watchout; you just know your on a list somewhere, don't you?
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Don't troll here with your bullshit middle-earth pagan dialect and pretense, okay?

Don't care about what you prefer.
America was founded by Christians, my people among them.
We had fun yesterday on the other thread talking a bit about Christianity and why Born-Again Christians wouldn't hassle you about God. You have free-will and I trust you are enjoying the shit out of it.

The "ye" and "yer" is pretty lame as are your discussions. Add something or dissent, otherwise just move on.

america was founded by all kinds of people, some of them christian. some not. my ancestors were part of it too. and ye never fail to hassle me, good christian that ye are. and it's not trolling. it's reminding ye that there are other ways just as valid as yer way. it's reminding ye that trying to make everything be like ye just won't work.


Do the psychiatrist and orderlies know you have access to internet? No pagans on the Mayflower that I know. None with Columbus either. Don't recall any blonde, blue-eyed Indians greeting the Pilgrims. Leif Ericson not a signer of The Declaration of Independence as I recall.

Supreme Court in 1894 ruled that America is a Christian Nation.

Why not spend your time trying to get a try-out for one of Gimli's offspring in the new production of The Dwarf Who Trolled Me, by Billygoat Gruff? Or maybe drink a few more Gimlets and work on your schtick?

I have never hassled you. Heathens mean nothing to me.
I Know The Strait Gate to be closed, the Time for Surrender to have ended as was the Time for Prodigal Reunion. Five years ago or longer.

None of this matters to you. Why not begin your own thread?
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yer eyes are brown aren't they?

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